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Mischief - 19 Jun 2004 05:16 GMT
We give a lot of baths at our vet hospital.  Of course they are mostly
dogs, but every now and then there will be a cat on the daily task
sheet that needs a bath.

Giving a cat a bath, huh?  I'm sure there are some of you here that
know what that's like.  Here's how we do it.

1. take cat out of cage and give thorough brushing to remove any mats.
Return cat to cage.
2.  Fill tub with a little bit of warm water.  Add shampoo and cream
rinse conditioner.  Be sure Hydrosurge is ready (a Hydrosurge recycles
the soapy water through a hose)
3.  Grab slip leash and cat.  Loop slip leash around the head and one
of the front legs, so the leash comes across the chest like a seat
belt.
4.  Deposit cat into tub and quickly tie leash to bar.  (we have a bar
to tie up all animals to during their baths)
5.  Turn on Hydrosurge and proceed to wash cat as quickly as possible.
(the meaner the cat, the quicker you have to be)
6.  Drain soapy water and rinse off cat.  Remove cat from tub, and
place on towel.
7.  Try to towel dry cat with one hand.  (note the word, "Try") hehehe
8.  Move wet cat to spare cage and set up cage dryer.  (Also known as
the cage cooker.  It's a warm fan dryer that hooks onto the cage door)
9.  Turn on cage dryer and walk away.  

Hehehehehehehehehe, wish it could be that simple for all of us, huh?
We wash the cat and then put him in a cage and let the cage dryer do
the rest.  Of course you then have to hear the cat yowling at the top
of his lungs for the rest of the day.

"How DARE you!!!  You DRENCHED me with WATER!!!!  LET ME OUTTA HERE!!!
Are you trying to cook me with this THING blowing hot air on me?  I
don't deserve this!!  You RUINED my beautiful fur!!  How DARE you!!!"

I myself have not given any cats a bath, mainly because so far I'm
proud of my claw-free record.  :)  I've been bitten, but that was by a
little kitten.

One of these days I'll probably try it.  Maybe when the cat also comes
in for a dental and is knocked out with anesthetic.  I've seen it done
before.  Nothing like giving a cat a bath when it's in sleepy land.
hehehehehehehehehe

Kristi
Sherry - 19 Jun 2004 05:28 GMT
>We give a lot of baths at our vet hospital.  Of course they are mostly
>dogs, but every now and then there will be a cat on the daily task
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>the rest.  Of course you then have to hear the cat yowling at the top
>of his lungs for the rest of the day.

Wow. Bathing un-sedated strange cats is *not* a skill for the faint of heart.
It makes me kind of feel bad for the cats though. I bet they *really* hate the
cage dryer.
My silly little grandcat likes to be bathed. He honestly sits there like he
enjoys it. But you are absolutely forbidden to get his head wet.

Sherry
Seanette Blaylock - 19 Jun 2004 05:44 GMT
sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) had some very interesting things to
say about Re: How DARE you!!!!!!!:

>Wow. Bathing un-sedated strange cats is *not* a skill for the faint of heart.
>It makes me kind of feel bad for the cats though. I bet they *really* hate the
>cage dryer.
>My silly little grandcat likes to be bathed. He honestly sits there like he
>enjoys it. But you are absolutely forbidden to get his head wet.

Last time Felix got a bath, DH needed medical attention afterward for
an infected bite. We've switched to the waterless kitty cleaning
wipes, which Felix doesn't seem to object to.

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Karen Chuplis - 19 Jun 2004 05:46 GMT
>> We give a lot of baths at our vet hospital.  Of course they are mostly
>> dogs, but every now and then there will be a cat on the daily task
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Sherry

I had a friend in college who had a cat that liked it too. Amazed me. A
calico no less. She would just plop her in the kitchen sink with warm water
and suds her up with Johnson's no tears. Kitty LOVED the massaging part.
Rinse and towel dry. Purring away. Wish they were all like that. I would
love to shampoo Sugar once in a whle. But even as a tiny kitten, the one
time I gave them a bath for fleas she was SQUIRMY as hell. I shudder to
think what she would be like now.
Sherry - 19 Jun 2004 05:51 GMT
>I had a friend in college who had a cat that liked it too. Amazed me. A
>calico no less. She would just plop her in the kitchen sink with warm water
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>time I gave them a bath for fleas she was SQUIRMY as hell. I shudder to
>think what she would be like now.

That's just like silly old Bosley!! He gets bathed with Pert Plus (!!???). His
fur is always shiny and manageable, and the girl cats just can't keep their
paws out of it.
Sherry <---thinking it's definitely time to go to bed.....
Takayuki - 19 Jun 2004 17:30 GMT
>I had a friend in college who had a cat that liked it too. Amazed me. A
>calico no less. She would just plop her in the kitchen sink with warm water
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>time I gave them a bath for fleas she was SQUIRMY as hell. I shudder to
>think what she would be like now.

Is Suggie not very good at cleaning herself?
Karen Chuplis - 19 Jun 2004 23:43 GMT
>> I had a friend in college who had a cat that liked it too. Amazed me. A
>> calico no less. She would just plop her in the kitchen sink with warm water
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Is Suggie not very good at cleaning herself?

She just has a little bit of greasy fur by her tail. I think she even cleans
there but she just has "unmanagealbe" hair!! She always looks mussed. I
would love to see her perfectly groomed once.
Takayuki - 20 Jun 2004 05:00 GMT
>> Is Suggie not very good at cleaning herself?
>
>She just has a little bit of greasy fur by her tail. I think she even cleans
>there but she just has "unmanagealbe" hair!! She always looks mussed. I
>would love to see her perfectly groomed once.

In some of her pics, she does seem to be a little cactus-like. :)
Karen Chuplis - 20 Jun 2004 05:33 GMT
>>> Is Suggie not very good at cleaning herself?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> In some of her pics, she does seem to be a little cactus-like. :)

Yes. That is her customary doo :)
Sherry - 22 Jun 2004 06:00 GMT
>She just has a little bit of greasy fur by her tail. I think she even cleans
>there but she just has "unmanagealbe" hair!! She always looks mussed. I
>would love to see her perfectly groomed once.

Biskit is like that Karen. Her fur is soft & clean, but she always looks
"mussed." Even right after you brush her. I think her fur might be a little
more greasy than the others, too.

Sherry
Karen - 22 Jun 2004 14:49 GMT
> >She just has a little bit of greasy fur by her tail. I think she even cleans
> >there but she just has "unmanagealbe" hair!! She always looks mussed. I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Sherry

It's kind of cute in a way, but I feel a bit sorry for her too :)  Kind of
"Bridget Jones"ish.
Takayuki - 22 Jun 2004 23:45 GMT
>>She just has a little bit of greasy fur by her tail. I think she even cleans
>>there but she just has "unmanagealbe" hair!! She always looks mussed. I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>"mussed." Even right after you brush her. I think her fur might be a little
>more greasy than the others, too.

Biskit is much longer haired than Sugar, so it's probably harder for
her to take care of.  At least she's still better off than the
Vietnamese guy going for the Guiness world record.

How's Biskit been integrating with the rest of the crew?
Sherry - 23 Jun 2004 04:35 GMT
>Biskit is much longer haired than Sugar, so it's probably harder for
>her to take care of.  At least she's still better off than the
>Vietnamese guy going for the Guiness world record.
>
>How's Biskit been integrating with the rest of the crew?

She's doing good. She even quit being so afraid of the open windows, and her
litterbox habits are impeccable now. She is getting so fat! A real roly-poly
girl.
She is afraid of men though. DH quite resents it. She acts like he is going to
kick her or something if he gets within 5 feet of her.

Sherry
Marina - 23 Jun 2004 05:28 GMT
"Sherry " <sriddles@aol.comkitty> wrote in

> She's doing good. She even quit being so afraid of the open windows, and her
> litterbox habits are impeccable now. She is getting so fat! A real roly-poly
> girl.
> She is afraid of men though. DH quite resents it. She acts like he is going to
> kick her or something if he gets within 5 feet of her.

Aww, poor baby. Glad to hear she is doing so well otherwise. Any new pics?
She is such a fascinating-looking cat!

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Sherry - 23 Jun 2004 05:48 GMT
>Aww, poor baby. Glad to hear she is doing so well otherwise. Any new pics?
>She is such a fascinating-looking cat!

Thanks, Marina. I'd love to post a new pic just to show you all what a
roly-poly she is now. I'll try to get one. It's nice to see all the protruding
bones go away, but she's to the point now she's going to have to watch her
figure!

Sherry
Kreisleriana - 23 Jun 2004 14:14 GMT
>>Aww, poor baby. Glad to hear she is doing so well otherwise. Any new pics?
>>She is such a fascinating-looking cat!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Sherry

Same happened to Stinky when I brought him home.  He was a bony little
thing, and he ate until he looked like a little black and white
bowling ball on stilts.  He did catch up with himself, fortunately,
because he was still a growing kitten.

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Sherry - 23 Jun 2004 15:39 GMT
>Same happened to Stinky when I brought him home.  He was a bony little
>thing, and he ate until he looked like a little black and white
>bowling ball on stilts.  He did catch up with himself, fortunately,
>because he was still a growing kitten.
>
>Theresa

Did he ever slow down with his eating, and figure out that there *will*  be
another meal coming, so there's no need to pig whatever's in the dish? She's
there like a little scavenger to eat the leftovers from the other cats. Even if
she just ate herself. Ihave to take up the leftover food now.
Sherry
Kreisleriana - 23 Jun 2004 19:54 GMT
>>Same happened to Stinky when I brought him home.  He was a bony little
>>thing, and he ate until he looked like a little black and white
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Did he ever slow down with his eating, and figure out that there *will*  be
>another meal coming, so there's no need to pig whatever's in the dish?

Eventually. ;)

>She's
>there like a little scavenger to eat the leftovers from the other cats. Even if
>she just ate herself. Ihave to take up the leftover food now.
>Sherry

He was also like lightning taking stuff off your own plate.  One of
our most famous episodes in those days, was seeing him escaping with
half a toasted, buttered bagel sticking out of his mouth. ;)

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Melissa Houle - 24 Jun 2004 01:50 GMT
Kreisleriana <kreisleriana2@yahoo.com> wrote in message SNIP

> >She's
> >there like a little scavenger to eat the leftovers from the other cats. Even if
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Theresa

The late Isadora once absconded with an entire raw porkchop. I had to
chase her for quite a while before I caught up with her and took it
away, but there was no WAY I was going to let her get away with
anything so blatant.  Luckily, she was a smallish cat, and couldn't
run terribly fast carrying a porkchop in her mouth, the bone banging
her in the upper forelegs.  I laugh about it now, but BOY, was she
ever in trouble, then!  Even then, I could appreciate that an onlooker
would find a porkchop-bearing cat being chased by her apron-clad owner
amusing. =o)

Melissa
Steve Touchstone - 23 Jun 2004 23:54 GMT
>Same happened to Stinky when I brought him home.  He was a bony little
>thing, and he ate until he looked like a little black and white
>bowling ball on stilts.  He did catch up with himself, fortunately,
>because he was still a growing kitten.

Little Bit's another one. She got her name when the upstairs neighbor
started calling her that "little bitty pregnant kitty". She's
definitely... fluffy now, and occasionally people ask if she's
pregnant.
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SUQKRT - 23 Jun 2004 18:41 GMT
>>Aww, poor baby. Glad to hear she is doing so well otherwise. Any new pics?
>>She is such a fascinating-looking cat!
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Sherry

Biskit looks like Spicey with long hair/furr. Check out her pics on Catslaves
or RPCA    -Pictures.
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Takayuki - 23 Jun 2004 22:27 GMT
>>Thanks, Marina. I'd love to post a new pic just to show you all what a
>>roly-poly she is now. I'll try to get one. It's nice to see all the protruding
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Biskit looks like Spicey with long hair/furr. Check out her pics on Catslaves
>or RPCA    -Pictures.

Spicey is a petite little thing, awfully cute.  I think of Betty as
just a tiny wisp of a cat, but she's 8.5 lbs, probably hefty (err, I
mean "fluffy") compared to Spicey. ;)
Takayuki - 23 Jun 2004 18:45 GMT
>>Aww, poor baby. Glad to hear she is doing so well otherwise. Any new pics?
>>She is such a fascinating-looking cat!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>bones go away, but she's to the point now she's going to have to watch her
>figure!

Yes, a belly display picture or two would be very welcome.  Also,
another picture of her resting her chin on something, and some pics of
her being with her buddies.
O J - 23 Jun 2004 07:56 GMT
---------------------<snip>----------------------
>She is afraid of men though. DH quite resents it. She acts like he is going to
>kick her or something if he gets within 5 feet of her.

    My little Squidget used to do that.  It was very disconcerting
and led me to occasionally 'spook' her just to watch her jump.
Fortunately, since I have been home on disability full time, she
learned to accept snuggles and skritches.

Regards and Purrs,
O J
Takayuki - 23 Jun 2004 18:38 GMT
>>How's Biskit been integrating with the rest of the crew?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>She is afraid of men though. DH quite resents it. She acts like he is going to
>kick her or something if he gets within 5 feet of her.

Awww, poor Biskit and DH.  If she got over her open window phobia,
maybe she'll get over DH phobia, too.  She must not have always had
the good life she has now, even though she's naturally such a sweet
cat.
Yoj - 19 Jun 2004 05:46 GMT
> We give a lot of baths at our vet hospital.  Of course they are mostly
> dogs, but every now and then there will be a cat on the daily task
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>
> Kristi

It sounds like you should get hazard pay for that.  ;-)

I'll have to ask my BIL if he's bathed any cats.  He's a vet's
assistant.

Joy
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Jun 2004 11:04 GMT
> I'll have to ask my BIL if he's bathed any cats.  He's a vet's
> assistant.

Since you've mentioned vet's assistants (or "vet techs" as I've heard
them called), there's something I've always wondered about.

Veterinarians are the equivalent of doctors in the animal world, and
I think they make pretty good money. I don't know if they make as much
as doctors do, but it's certainly a decent living. And the amount of
schooling needed to be a vet is comparable to going to medical school.

But vet assistants are not the equivalent of physician's assistants.
Physician's assistants make a professional salary, while a vet tech's
salary is barely above minimum wage.

I wonder why that is? Is the amount of training to be a PA is much
greater than the what is required to be a vet's assistant? I wonder
why there is no profession in the veterinary field that is equivalent
to a PA? It seems that the only decent-paying job is veterinarian,
and everyone else makes almost nothing.

I would love to work in a vet's office, but I don't want to go to
veterinary school. So I wouldn't expect to make as much as a vet, but
I would like to make more than $6 an hour!

Joyce
William Hamblen - 19 Jun 2004 13:51 GMT
>I wonder why that is?

You are treating pets or livestock, not people.  With people the
stakes are higher.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Jun 2004 23:53 GMT
>>I wonder why that is?

> You are treating pets or livestock, not people.  With people the
> stakes are higher.

I'm not asking "why do doctors earn more than vets?", or "why do PAs
earn more than vet's assistants?" I'm asking why the difference between
doctor and PA salaries is not proportional to the difference between vet
and vet's assistant salaries. A vet is analogous to a physician, but
apparently, a vet's *assistant* is not analogous to a physician's assistant
(PA). I wondered why that was. It seems there isn't a position in the
veterinary field that is analogous to the physician's assistant.

Joyce
William Hamblen - 20 Jun 2004 02:27 GMT
> >>I wonder why that is?
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>doctor and PA salaries is not proportional to the difference between vet
>and vet's assistant salaries.

A physician assistant does about 9/10 of a medical doctor's job for
about 1/2 the pay: examinations, prescribing, etc.  The MD the PA
works with has to review cases, but many times the PA is the one who
sees patients, especially in rural areas, and the MD is actually
present only on the difficult cases.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Jun 2004 07:42 GMT
> A physician assistant does about 9/10 of a medical doctor's job for
> about 1/2 the pay: examinations, prescribing, etc.  The MD the PA
> works with has to review cases, but many times the PA is the one who
> sees patients

Exactly. I would like to be that type of professional, but for animals.
However, there doesn't seem to be any such professional...

Joyce
LOL - 20 Jun 2004 00:05 GMT
> >I wonder why that is?
>
> You are treating pets or livestock, not people.  With people the
> stakes are higher.

I've wondered, though, whether vet school might not be tougher than
medical school?  There are so many species to learn about, and often
not a whole lot in common between them.

Vets themselves don't make as much as human doctors, it seems to me.
I wonder if that may change as pet insurance becomes more common?

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Krista
~*Connie*~ - 20 Jun 2004 01:53 GMT
> > >I wonder why that is?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> medical school?  There are so many species to learn about, and often
> not a whole lot in common between them.

Vets also have to find out from second hand information what is wrong.
Could you imagine taking your S.O. down to the doctor and having them
describe your behavior and symptoms, and expecting the doctor to come up
with a treatment.
Seanette Blaylock - 20 Jun 2004 07:49 GMT
"~*Connie*~" <no@spam.com> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: vet's assistants:

>> > >I wonder why that is?
>> > You are treating pets or livestock, not people.  With people the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>describe your behavior and symptoms, and expecting the doctor to come up
>with a treatment.

Sheesh, as clueless as my DH can be, I'd really be in trouble under
such a system!

As I keep telling Felix, his TED could make a lot more money with a
lot less challenge [people TEDs only have to learn one species, after
all, and their patients are generally more communicative] if he didn't
like animals so much. TED told Felix "Your Mum has a good point" [he's
Australian]. Felix just stared at us.

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William Hamblen - 20 Jun 2004 02:27 GMT
>I've wondered, though, whether vet school might not be tougher than
>medical school?  There are so many species to learn about, and often
>not a whole lot in common between them.

Vet school can be _harder_ to get into because there are fewer places.
Cheryl Perkins - 19 Jun 2004 14:13 GMT
> But vet assistants are not the equivalent of physician's assistants.
> Physician's assistants make a professional salary, while a vet tech's
> salary is barely above minimum wage.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'physician's assistant'; it sounds
like you mean a registered nurse or even what we call a nurse
practitioner, RNs with more training, who work more independently than an
RN. But not all doctors (depending on their practice) work with such
professionals regularly here, and most also are assisted by clerical
workers (some of whom do earn little more than minimum wage) and
practical nurses.

A vet assistant gets almost a year of training, including practical
experience; a practical nurse trains for slightly longer and may not earn
much more, a RN has a four year university degree (I think the last of the
3-year hospital programs here has closed), and a nurse practitioner has an
RN + 4 or 7 semesters extra, and both a RN and nurse pracitioner earn
decent, but not extremely high salaries.

And people tend to be willing to pay more for their own care than that of
their animals. I hear people complain now, (I think often unjustly), that
vets charge too much. What if vets had to charge enough more to cover the
salary of an assistant with 4 or 5 years of university, like a RN? And why
wouldn't that assistant do a vet program instead, since it would take as
long?

Cheryl
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Jun 2004 23:59 GMT
> I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'physician's assistant'; it sounds
> like you mean a registered nurse or even what we call a nurse
> practitioner, RNs with more training, who work more independently than
> an RN.

No, there's a position called "physician's assistant" - not a nurse, and
not a doctor. They have the authority to prescribe medications, but it's
more limited than a doctor's. They earn less money than doctors, but more
than nurses, and their status is higher than nurses', too. In an office,
a nurse has to answer to a PA. PAs also have their own patients, separate
from the doctor's patients. However, I'm not sure if PAs can have a practice
without a doctor also involved. (I'll have to ask my sister, she's a PA.)

PAs might not exist in Canada, so that might be why you don't know what
they are.

> What if vets had to charge enough more to cover the
> salary of an assistant with 4 or 5 years of university, like a RN? And why
> wouldn't that assistant do a vet program instead, since it would take as
> long?

Well, that's a good question. PAs do very intensive training - the class
portion of their training is similar to that of medical school, they just
don't do all the years of internship and residency that MDs have to do.
Vet's assistants probably don't train nearly as hard as a vet has to, so
maybe that's the answer to my question.

Joyce
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Jun 2004 01:15 GMT
> And people tend to be willing to pay more for their own care than that of
> their animals. I hear people complain now, (I think often unjustly), that
> vets charge too much. What if vets had to charge enough more to cover the
> salary of an assistant with 4 or 5 years of university, like a RN? And why
> wouldn't that assistant do a vet program instead, since it would take as
> long?

Whenever I'm tempted to complain about the size of my vet's bill, I stop
to think how much MORE the same treatment would cost for a human, and
bite my tongue instead of saying anything!
Annie Wxill - 19 Jun 2004 20:17 GMT
...>
> I wonder why that is? Is the amount of training to be a PA is much
> greater than the what is required to be a vet's assistant? ...>
> Joyce
Our neighbor is a PA (Physicians Assistant).  I don't know how much money
she makes, but she has mentioned going to medical school in order to become
a PA.
Annie
m. L. Briggs - 19 Jun 2004 21:49 GMT
>...>
>> I wonder why that is? Is the amount of training to be a PA is much
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>a PA.
>Annie

My orthopedic surgeon had a remarkable PA.  Yes he went to medical
school.  He could assist the surgeon in surgery     - but not actually
do the surgery).  He could interpret x-rays and do all the
nitty=gritty stuff that was time consuming for the surgeon.  He would
make a great doctor.   MLB
Takayuki - 19 Jun 2004 22:50 GMT
>Veterinarians are the equivalent of doctors in the animal world, and
>I think they make pretty good money. I don't know if they make as much
>as doctors do, but it's certainly a decent living. And the amount of
>schooling needed to be a vet is comparable to going to medical school.

Veterinary assistant sounds like a neat direction for a career change.
I'm sure you could be an excellent TED too, if you wanted to.

I once thought it might be fun to become a surgeon.  I realized
though, that that would mean walking a very narrow path that would be
difficult to disengage from.  Anyway, I'd hope that veterinary
assistants would make than minimum wage!
Jo Firey - 19 Jun 2004 22:58 GMT
>  > I'll have to ask my BIL if he's bathed any cats.  He's a vet's
>  > assistant.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Joyce

A big drawback is that there is a very limited amount of space in the
veterinary schools in this country.  It is more difficult to get in to vet
school than to get into medical school.

Medical care for humans has many levels of training from orderly to various
types of nurses to PA's to doctors.

There are no training programs for a PA equivalent in the vet field, and I'm
guessing not much demand.  A PA always has to be supervised by and MD.  Your
average vet can stay as busy as he wishes without having to supervise other
professionals.

Jo
CajunPrincess - 20 Jun 2004 00:56 GMT
>  > I'll have to ask my BIL if he's bathed any cats.  He's a vet's
>  > assistant.
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> I think they make pretty good money. I don't know if they make as much
> as doctors do, but it's certainly a decent living.

I know something about this because I have a friend who used to be a
vet and went back to school to get a degree in public health.

It is (or at least used to be) harder to get into vet school than
medical school because there are relatively few vet schools compared
to the number of medical schools.

Vets who own a small animal practice make a decent living, not
anything like a doctor. A given population will only support so many
small animal vet practices.  Two vet practices are probably the most
common, usually with one more experienced vet owning the practice and
the employee being a less experienced vet who doesn't share in the
profits.  The employee vet generally doesn't make much money and to
make a decent living really has to start his own practice, either by
going out on his own or if the place he works has enough business
becoming a partner with his employer.  In these arrangements, it's
pretty much accepted that the younger vet will in all liklihood move
on in a few years once he/she has some experience.

And the amount of
> schooling needed to be a vet is comparable to going to medical school.
>
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> to a PA? It seems that the only decent-paying job is veterinarian,
> and everyone else makes almost nothing.

In Georgia, a PA is a licensed professional-it requires schooling to
become one and (I believe) passing an exam.  Vet assistants aren't a
regulated profession and I've known people who were hired as vet
assistants with no experience at all.  I think I've seen ads on TV for
proprietary schools that offer training in being a vet's assistant,
but offhand I can't recall hearing a vet tech mention that they went
to one of them.  The ones I've met generally became vet techs because
they liked working with animals or they were just young and looking
for some sort of job.  Many of them seem to have roughly the same
level of sellable job skills as the people who work the floor in a
department store.

The practice I go to has two vets and a crew (maybe 8-10) of vet techs
that has some kind of heirarchy.  The tech I deal with seems to be the
queen of the group and she just got the job because she was always
taking her cats there and found out they had an opening.  She jokes
about how she's really making use of her university degree in fabric
design in her work; but she really cares about cats and is a real big
help. This practice handles a lot of cats and the large number of
techs is one of the ways they do it with only two vets.

> I would love to work in a vet's office, but I don't want to go to
> veterinary school. So I wouldn't expect to make as much as a vet, but
> I would like to make more than $6 an hour!

My impression is that you could probably get a job as a vet tech in an
area with a number of vets just by keeping letting the vets know of
your interest, but you probably won't get paid sh.t.

> Joyce
CajunPrincess - 20 Jun 2004 21:00 GMT
> In Georgia, a PA is a licensed professional-it requires schooling to
> become one and (I believe) passing an exam.  Vet assistants aren't a
> regulated profession

Just to correct-this was wrong-didn't look far enough into the Georgia
Secretary of State's website.  There *is* a license for vet techs in
Georgia.  I called my friend who used to be a vet and he confirmed it.
He said that they weren't that commonly found in vet practices around
here and that "unlicensced" assistants like I have encountered are the
norm.  He said there are some things a licensed vet tech are allowed
to do that an unlicensed ones are not.  Mea culpa.
LOL - 21 Jun 2004 05:15 GMT
> > In Georgia,
(snippety)

Hey, another Georgian?  Cool.  We're taking over.   :-D
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Gandalf - 20 Jun 2004 08:17 GMT
> > I'll have to ask my BIL if he's bathed any cats.  He's a vet's
> > assistant.
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>
>Joyce
I had an undergraduate student working for me who was trying to get into
vet school. It's far, far more difficult than getting into medical
school, simply because there are far fewer vet schools, with smaller
classes than most medical schools. It took her two years after she
graduated to get accepted. She did a *lot* of volunteer work, and kept
taking classes after she received her bachelor's degree.

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Steve Touchstone - 19 Jun 2004 06:18 GMT
>We give a lot of baths at our vet hospital.  Of course they are mostly
>dogs, but every now and then there will be a cat on the daily task
>sheet that needs a bath.
<snip>
LOL My vet offers a free bath to my kitties on their birthday every
year, but I've never taken him up on the offer.
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Kajikit - 19 Jun 2004 06:52 GMT
Mischief had something important to tell us on 18 Jun 2004 21:16:57
-0700:

>We give a lot of baths at our vet hospital.  Of course they are mostly
>dogs, but every now and then there will be a cat on the daily task
>sheet that needs a bath.
>
>Giving a cat a bath, huh?  I'm sure there are some of you here that
>know what that's like.  Here's how we do it.

Hmmm... sounds like they don't get much of a chance to put up any
resistance.

Just ask John/Jaggath if you want to know about cat-washing... he
bathes every kitty that comes into his care, and for some reason they
almost all let him do it! (that's probably why he likes bengals and
abbys - they're both water-loving breeds) Some of his kittens even
come and play in the shower every day!

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kworley - 19 Jun 2004 07:30 GMT
> Hmmm... sounds like they don't get much of a chance to put up any
> resistance.
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> abbys - they're both water-loving breeds) Some of his kittens even
> come and play in the shower every day!

My old kitty Scamper (RB in April...  I still miss her) would take a
shower with me every morning.  She would also play in the sprinklers,
and splash in puddles on the deck in the rain.  When she was thoroughly
damp, she was happy, and we all know what happy kitties want to do...  
they want to CUDDLE!!  Imagine a wet 8 lb calico kitty who want's
nothing more that to curl up on your lap and be scritched. She thought
being rubbed all over with a towel was an indignity.

Katrina
Mischief - 20 Jun 2004 03:12 GMT
oooooo, a wet dog is one thing, but a wet cat that wants to be on your lap?

Sheesh!

Kristi
Takayuki - 19 Jun 2004 17:25 GMT
>One of these days I'll probably try it.  Maybe when the cat also comes
>in for a dental and is knocked out with anesthetic.  I've seen it done
>before.  Nothing like giving a cat a bath when it's in sleepy land.
>hehehehehehehehehe

That was an awesome account of how it's done.  The cats have just got
to see that process as nothing less than torture. :)
Jo Firey - 19 Jun 2004 23:06 GMT
> We give a lot of baths at our vet hospital.  Of course they are mostly
> dogs, but every now and then there will be a cat on the daily task
> sheet that needs a bath.

There was a story on the local new last week about a cat that dies while at
the grooming salon.  Apparently the groomer was working alone, cat was
already bathed and on the lead and on the table when a phone call came in.
The groomer left the cat to take the call and then left the room to look for
something.  With the natural lethal results.

Other more qualified groomers showed that they often use two people while
the cat has the lead around its neck, and that if only one is working on the
cat, they NEVER take their hands off the cat.

Still glad mine let me bathe them without a major fight which I would surely
loose.  My method is two hold the cat with my left hand under it chest and
to pin its front legs to it chest with the fingers of that hand.  Make sure
the grip is very solid before adding water.

Jo
Mischief - 20 Jun 2004 03:14 GMT
Man that really sucks.

Rule is you never, EVER leave an animal alone in the tub for whatever
reason.  I learned that my very first day.

Kristi
 
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