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The Mike Report (Long, of course)
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LOL - 18 Jun 2004 06:24 GMT Thank you all for your purrs and prayers and good wishes for my boy. I am positive they have helped.
DH and Mike and I went to Florida today to see an internal medicine specialist, and were there for most of the day. The clinic had various specialists (even a veterinary opthamologist!) and only takes patients by referrals. Their facility was, as our TED had said, *much* better equipped than our local hoomin hospital, and we really liked the vet we saw. There was one surprise bit of bad news, but most of what we heard was actually better than I was expecting.
As it happens, we have been treating Mike's hyperthyroidism and trying to beat down complications for months and months, when actually *hypertension* was what was causing all the complications. It has damaged his kidneys, but not as badly as our TED thought, and apparently they will function reasonably adequately. His blood pressure is *very* high, though, and the new TED said that he would have kept Mike in the hospital and used intravenous BP meds if it were not that Mike was so "obviously very stressed" to be there. This is polite code for if Mike had not hissed and bitten and clawed everyone within reach, he wouldn't have gotten to come home tonight. They had to anesthetize him to do all the tests.
From Mike's point of view, of course, his Mikeness saved him from staying with the mean people.
As it is, we are giving him the max dose of a BP pill, Norvasc, and have to go back in a week for recheck. The new TED also lowered Mike's Tapazole dose to less than half what he was taking before, and we have an entirely new kind of special food only obtainable through the vet.
The only really bad news is that both of Mike's retinas have detached, and he is completely blind. This happened last night. There is a chance that they may reattach once the blood pressure is under control, and since Mike started the BP meds less than 24 hours after it happened, this is a possibility. I understand that if it does happen, it will be within the next few days. I am trying not to be too upset about this, because the critical thing, kidney function, is better than expected and overall his outlook is better than we had thought. I know there are plenty of happy blind kitties out there, but of course this sudden onset is very distressing for Mike, which is heartbreaking to watch. The way he's functioning already, though, makes me absolutely sure that he will be able to adapt if necessary. He's secure enough with DH and me, and in his own house, that he will be okay. (And, unexpected bonus of the silver lining variety, it quite definitely settles DH's and my long-running debate about moving.)
Any vision purrs that could be directed Mikey's way would be appreciated, but just knowing exactly what's wrong, how to treat it, and that it *can* be treated means the purrs already received have worked their magic. I actually do feel more positive about his health than I've been able to for quite some time.
------ Krista
Who is even now taking CATherine's advice about the chocolate
Takayuki - 18 Jun 2004 06:52 GMT >Any vision purrs that could be directed Mikey's way would be >appreciated, but just knowing exactly what's wrong, how to treat it, >and that it *can* be treated means the purrs already received have >worked their magic. I actually do feel more positive about his health >than I've been able to for quite some time. Poor Mike! It must be very confusing to him to have everything go dark all of a sudden! I'm glad that you've solved the hypertension problem. Betty will be sending lots of purrs.
LOL - 19 Jun 2004 09:49 GMT > Poor Mike! It must be very confusing to him to have everything go > dark all of a sudden! I'm glad that you've solved the hypertension > problem. Betty will be sending lots of purrs. The purrs are appreciated - please thank Betty for us. :-)
Mike is naturally anxious and upset - it's one of those times you'd cheerfully kill to be able to explain things to your cat. He's doing okay going to his food, water, litterbox, and bed, and he will follow my voice and DH's, so I believe he'll adjust if necessary.
------ Krista
Takayuki - 19 Jun 2004 17:38 GMT >Mike is naturally anxious and upset - it's one of those times you'd >cheerfully kill to be able to explain things to your cat. He's doing >okay going to his food, water, litterbox, and bed, and he will follow >my voice and DH's, so I believe he'll adjust if necessary. It's good to hear that he can figure out where everything is. Poor little guy must be being smothered with cuddles from you and DH right now.
Yoj - 18 Jun 2004 07:49 GMT Purrs for Mike, and also for you and DH.
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> Thank you all for your purrs and prayers and good wishes for my boy. > I am positive they have helped. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > The only really bad news is that both of Mike's retinas have detached,
> and he is completely blind. This happened last night. There is a > chance that they may reattach once the blood pressure is under [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Who is even now taking CATherine's advice about the chocolate LOL - 19 Jun 2004 09:50 GMT > Purrs for Mike, and also for you and DH. Thanks, Joy - they are appreciated. ------ Krista
Karen Chuplis - 18 Jun 2004 12:41 GMT I actually do feel more positive about his health
> than I've been able to for quite some time. > > ------ > Krista > > Who is even now taking CATherine's advice about the chocolate Many purrs that this does the trick and his retinas reattach. Since you began control so soon after it, I have good hope for you. I recall a poster named Beth talking about this and it did happen for her kitty. SOOOO good that you have a diagnosis. Poor Mike. Special purrs and skritches to him.
LOL - 19 Jun 2004 09:52 GMT > Many purrs that this does the trick and his retinas reattach. Since you > began control so soon after it, I have good hope for you. I recall a poster > named Beth talking about this and it did happen for her kitty. SOOOO good > that you have a diagnosis. Poor Mike. Special purrs and skritches to him. Thanks, Karen. We are hoping it will happen for Mike, but we really are thankful just to feel that we are on our way to getting him healthy again.
------ Krista
CATherine - 18 Jun 2004 13:28 GMT >Thank you all for your purrs and prayers and good wishes for my boy. >I am positive they have helped. <<<<<<<snip>>>>>>>>>
>Any vision purrs that could be directed Mikey's way would be >appreciated, but just knowing exactly what's wrong, how to treat it, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Who is even now taking CATherine's advice about the chocolate Especially helpful is Hersheys Dark Cocolate with Almonds!
It has been in my mind that a lot of aggressiveness, grouchiness in pets can come from defensiveness while feeling ill. A survival thing. So, maybe Mike will be less aggressive as this illness gets under control. We are sending many purrs and meatloaf meditations for his well-being. And Robin voluteers to be Mike's eyes! (anything to get himself out of the E-collar!) <G>
-- CATherine
LOL - 19 Jun 2004 05:39 GMT > On 17 Jun 2004 22:24:38 -0700, arbitrarilyyours@hotmail.com (LOL)
> Especially helpful is Hersheys Dark Cocolate with Almonds! Thanks - I'll keep that in mind. ;-)
> It has been in my mind that a lot of aggressiveness, grouchiness in > pets can come from defensiveness while feeling ill. A survival thing. > So, maybe Mike will be less aggressive as this illness gets under > control. We are sending many purrs and meatloaf meditations for his > well-being. And Robin voluteers to be Mike's eyes! (anything to get > himself out of the E-collar!) <G> Mike's always been very agressive *outside* TED's office - that has actually changed since he's been having such problems, and he's become much more passive and dependent. He's gotten worse and worse about going to the vet over the years, though, and now since he's been having such a tough time over the past few months - so many needles, so many tests - he's become really afraid at the vet's office. He's okay in the lobby, but once we go into the exam room the hissing starts. I do hope this will change once we get him stabilized on regular treatment.
Please tell Robin thanks for the offer, but please remind him that Mike's getting all of the attention and indulgence to be had around here. Robin might not like that. Plus, since we've cleared the decks for Mike's easier navigation, there's probably not enough stuff around for Robin to bonk his collar on. :-P
------ Krista
Marina - 19 Jun 2004 06:30 GMT > Mike's always been very agressive *outside* TED's office - that has > actually changed since he's been having such problems, and he's become > much more passive and dependent. He's gotten worse and worse about > going to the vet over the years, though, and now since he's been > having such a tough time over the past few months - so many needles, > so many tests - he's become really afraid at the vet's office. Frank can relate to that. He used to be such a brave boy at the vet's but now he cringes and hides his head under my arm when I lift him onto the examining table. He just knows one of those nasty needles is coming out soon. :o( Lots of purrs still coming over for you all.
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CATherine - 20 Jun 2004 02:46 GMT >> On 17 Jun 2004 22:24:38 -0700, arbitrarilyyours@hotmail.com (LOL) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >starts. I do hope this will change once we get him stabilized on >regular treatment. Maybe it would be to everyone's benefit if he could take a kitty trank before he goes into the vet. I hate to think of him being so afraid and miserable.
>Please tell Robin thanks for the offer, but please remind him that >Mike's getting all of the attention and indulgence to be had around >here. Robin might not like that. Plus, since we've cleared the decks >for Mike's easier navigation, there's probably not enough stuff around >for Robin to bonk his collar on. :-P You are right; Robin definitely likes to be the center of attention. And when there is nothing to onk his collar on, he will bonk it on my leg!
-- CATherine
LOL - 20 Jun 2004 08:03 GMT (there's some snippage)
> Maybe it would be to everyone's benefit if he could take a kitty trank > before he goes into the vet. I hate to think of him being so afraid > and miserable. He'd had a hefty dose of valium, and still there was all the shreiking and clawing and etc. Anything stronger would likely knock him out altogether, which is what they had to do for the tests. Poor little guy.
He's had a little better day today, though - he's already more able to get around without bumping into things, and has shown some flashes of personality, which makes me think he may already be *feeling* a bit better. It's impressive to see him navigating using his whiskers, and he's getting better at it.
------ Krista
CATherine - 20 Jun 2004 14:26 GMT >(there's some snippage) >> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >------ >Krista Please give him loving cuddles and scritches from me. Purrs and prayers that he will soon be better.
-- CATherine
Fuga :o\) - 18 Jun 2004 13:35 GMT Hi Krista,
How high was Mike's blood pressure? I just want to let you know that the likely hood of his retina's reattaching is very high since he is now on the medication. I am member of a number of support groups for kidney failure and quite a few people have had cats with high blood pressure who have been successful when caught very quickly after the retina detached.'
Purrs to you and Mikey.
Fuga
LOL - 19 Jun 2004 05:30 GMT > Hi Krista, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Fuga Thanks for the information - do you know how it happens? Is it a gradual thing, or is it as sudden as the detachment? I really don't know what to look for, and it wasn't one of the questions I thought to ask the vet.
Mike's blood pressure was 240 systolic - the vet said we were going to try to get it to around 160. Mike is on Norvasc now, and we have to go for a recheck next week. The vet called this afternoon with more lab results, and said that when we go next week he will probably put Mike on an ace inhibitor as well.
Thank you for the purrs - they are much appreciated.
------ Krista
Victor Martinez - 18 Jun 2004 13:50 GMT OMG.... lots and lots of healing purrs on the way for Mike.
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LOL - 19 Jun 2004 09:53 GMT > OMG.... lots and lots of healing purrs on the way for Mike. Thanks, Victor. The purrs have helped so far, and we really appreciate them. ------ Krista
Christine Burel - 18 Jun 2004 15:33 GMT Oh, Krista, I can't believe it -- I'm glad you were able to get some very excellent help for Mike but PURRRRS are surely coming for Mikey's vision to come back!!! Poor baby -- sending him and your family our very best, most potent purrs from Tucker, Robin, Oreo, Omar & Midnight! Please keep us posted! big hugs, Christine
> Thank you all for your purrs and prayers and good wishes for my boy. > I am positive they have helped. [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Who is even now taking CATherine's advice about the chocolate LOL - 19 Jun 2004 06:05 GMT > Oh, Krista, I can't believe it -- I'm glad you were able to get some very > excellent help for Mike but PURRRRS are surely coming for Mikey's vision to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > big hugs, > Christine Thanks, Christine. The purrs are much appreciated.
The new TED (this is him, BTW: http://www.nfvs.com/mark_c.htm ) called this afternoon with more lab results, and re-affirmed that we are doing all that we can do. He said he will check for signs of reattachment at our recheck next week, so we are still in wait-and-see mode.
------ Krista
Marina - 18 Jun 2004 16:48 GMT > Any vision purrs that could be directed Mikey's way would be > appreciated, but just knowing exactly what's wrong, how to treat it, > and that it *can* be treated means the purrs already received have > worked their magic. I actually do feel more positive about his health > than I've been able to for quite some time. That must be so scary for poor Mikey. I hadn't thought of it before, but I suppose that hypertension symptoms can be pretty much like hyperthyroidism symptoms. What a good thing this vet caught it so quickly. We are sending oodles of vision purrs to Mike, and lots of soothing purrs to his worried Meowmie and Paw.
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LOL - 19 Jun 2004 06:44 GMT (snippage)
I suppose that hypertension symptoms can be pretty much like hyperthyroidism
> symptoms. What a good thing this vet caught it so quickly. These two are apparently often found together; so are hypertension and CRF, and there may not be any symptoms of hypertension until the retinas detach.
It has been recently and painfully brought to my attention that cats' blood pressure is not checked as routinely as humans', and that older kitties very much need to have this checked.
This has been a public service announcement. :-)
------ Krista
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Jun 2004 10:49 GMT > These two are apparently often found together; so are hypertension and > CRF, and there may not be any symptoms of hypertension until the > retinas detach. Retinas? I had no idea hypertention could cause retinas to detach. Is that true for humans too?
Joyce
LOL - 20 Jun 2004 00:02 GMT > > These two are apparently often found together; so are hypertension and > > CRF, and there may not be any symptoms of hypertension until the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Joyce From what I can tell it can happen, though apparently in humans it's usually caught before that point, I assume because blood pressure screenings are so readily available for us Retinal *damage* seems to be pretty common among humans, though.
------ Krista
m. L. Briggs - 18 Jun 2004 18:20 GMT >Thank you all for your purrs and prayers and good wishes for my boy. >I am positive they have helped. [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > >Who is even now taking CATherine's advice about the chocolate TuTu and I will send heartfelt purrs for Mikey's wellbeing. May he be happy and healthy for a long time. Yes, and may he be more tolerant of those trying to help him. Best wishes. MLB
LOL - 19 Jun 2004 09:55 GMT > TuTu and I will send heartfelt purrs for Mikey's wellbeing. May he be > happy and healthy for a long time. Yes, and may he be more tolerant > of those trying to help him. Best wishes. MLB Thank you. I must admit it *would* be nice if he would not always bite the vet, but I think he's going to be okay. :-)
------ Krista
Exocat - 18 Jun 2004 20:01 GMT Supportive feline purrs and human best wishes for Mikey's outcome to be positive.
Purrs etc.
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> Any vision purrs that could be directed Mikey's way would be > appreciated, LOL - 19 Jun 2004 09:59 GMT > Supportive feline purrs and human best wishes for Mikey's outcome to > be positive. > > Purrs etc. > > Gordon, Bandit, Pericles & Snowball Thank you - we appreciate it very much. Please give your kitties a thank-you scritch for us. :-)
------ Krista
CajunPrincess - 18 Jun 2004 20:11 GMT > Thank you all for your purrs and prayers and good wishes for my boy. > I am positive they have helped. [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Who is even now taking CATherine's advice about the chocolate I'm so happy you were able to get a definitive diagnosis for Mikey and get a good idea of exactly what needs to be done. Getting a valid BP reading in cats is difficult and as I understand it even more so with cats who are especially anxious while at the vet like Mikey. I'll bet your original vet probably just didn't have enough experience with hypertensive cats to catch Mikey's problem, which isn't his fault. I'm sad about the detached retinas, but I do recall reading that if they catch the condition right after it occurs, the chances of them reattaching are good-so if it had to happen, at least it didn't happen until you knew what caused it and had begun treating it. I hope the condition reverses itself soon but as you say even if it doesn't he has a lot of good time ahead of him now that you have identified the underlying problem. I wonder if his anxious behavior has any relation to the hypertension?
LOL - 19 Jun 2004 05:55 GMT > I'm so happy you were able to get a definitive diagnosis for Mikey and > get a good idea of exactly what needs to be done. Getting a valid BP > reading in cats is difficult and as I understand it even more so with > cats who are especially anxious while at the vet like Mikey. I'll bet > your original vet probably just didn't have enough experience with > hypertensive cats to catch Mikey's problem, which isn't his fault. It's true - I certainly do not fault our regular vet. He was right in his hyperthyroid diagnosis, it's just that that wasn't the whole problem. He's done a good job for our boy, and when he felt Mike's problems were getting beyond him, he referred us to an excellent specialist. We are very pleased with the internist, and we certainly intend to keep seeing our regular vet too.
> I'm sad about the detached retinas, but I do recall reading that if > they catch the condition right after it occurs, the chances of them [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > underlying problem. I wonder if his anxious behavior has any relation > to the hypertension? I don't know how long the hypertension has been going on - I'd put Mike's anxiety down to his having such a rough time recently at the vet's. It seems that every time he goes there are more needles, more tests, more indignities. Plus, yesterday he was in a strange place with strange people - at our regular TED, we go into the exam room with him, and quite often we can hold him to give him a little security while the atrocities are taking place. Not so yesterday - some stranger he couldn't even see took him out of his meowmie's arms and took him to another room and did bad things to him. No wonder the poor baby was scared. :-(
I am hopeful about his vision, especially since if it were going to happen anyway, the timing really couldn't have been better, and even more so about his overall health improving. I am ready for my boy to feel better!
------ Krista
polonca12000 - 18 Jun 2004 22:37 GMT Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for Mikey to regain his vision completely and to start feeling really well with the new drug he is taking,
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<snip>> Any vision purrs that could be directed Mikey's way would be
> appreciated, but just knowing exactly what's wrong, how to treat it, > and that it *can* be treated means the purrs already received have [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Who is even now taking CATherine's advice about the chocolate badwilson - 19 Jun 2004 04:09 GMT Many, many, many purrs coming up for poor Mikey. -- Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
> Thank you all for your purrs and prayers and good wishes for my boy. > I am positive they have helped. [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Who is even now taking CATherine's advice about the chocolate Steve Touchstone - 19 Jun 2004 04:16 GMT <snip> What a relief to hear that the specialist was able to diagnose the problem and give a good prognosis. Sorry to hear about the vision problems, but from posts on down the thread it sounds like chances are good that that may resolve itself. Purrs continuing that things work out.
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Adrian - 19 Jun 2004 12:28 GMT <SNIP>
> Any vision purrs that could be directed Mikey's way would be > appreciated, but just knowing exactly what's wrong, how to treat it, > and that it *can* be treated means the purrs already received have > worked their magic. I actually do feel more positive about his health > than I've been able to for quite some time. Purrrs on the way, I'm glad it's not as bad as it could be.
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Annie Wxill - 19 Jun 2004 16:54 GMT > Thank you all for your purrs and prayers and good wishes for my boy. > Krista Thanks for the update. We'll continue to send good wishes and purrs for Mike and for you. Annie
Sam Nash - 19 Jun 2004 23:51 GMT > Thank you all for your purrs and prayers and good wishes for my boy. > I am positive they have helped. > > DH and Mike and I went to Florida today to see an internal medicine > specialist, and were there for most of the day. <snipped> Yaay for the (relatively) good news and major rumbling purrs from our two for Mike's retinas to reattach soon. Sam
Ginger-lyn Summer - 20 Jun 2004 20:08 GMT >Thank you all for your purrs and prayers and good wishes for my boy. >I am positive they have helped. [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > >Who is even now taking CATherine's advice about the chocolate Purrs that Mike feels much better now that he's on a new regimen, and that his eyesight returns.
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