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Cheryl - 08 Jun 2004 04:01 GMT
Poor Shamrock. Last week, there was a car accident on the road in
front of my house that ended up in my yard. The car hit lost control
and hopped the curb and was headed toward my living room window where
Shamrock was sitting watching. I was watching also. In disbelief,
sort of (the guy was able to turn his wheel and miss driving into my
house). Shamrock dove out of the windowsill and to this day, when a
car or truck drives by too fast, he jumps out of the windowsill and
turns around and stares. No one was hurt.

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lrulan - 08 Jun 2004 04:22 GMT
Aw, hope Shamrock gets over it soon. Windows are good things. Was the driver
drunk?
Jazz's mama

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> Poor Shamrock. Last week, there was a car accident on the road in
> front of my house that ended up in my yard. The car hit lost control
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> car or truck drives by too fast, he jumps out of the windowsill and
> turns around and stares. No one was hurt.
Cheryl - 09 Jun 2004 00:42 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", "lrulan"

> Aw, hope Shamrock gets over it soon. Windows are good things.
> Was the driver drunk?
> Jazz's mama

Thanks from Shamrock! No, the car that ended up in my yard was hit by
a dump truck. I didn't see the impact (heard it) but the witness who
stuck around for an hour and a half to give his report said the guy
who was hit pulled into traffic without looking - and talking on a
cell phone - right in front of the dump truck.

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Steve Touchstone - 09 Jun 2004 01:23 GMT
>In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", "lrulan"
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>who was hit pulled into traffic without looking - and talking on a
>cell phone - right in front of the dump truck.

I understand some places have made using cell phones while driving
illegal - which I would fully support here. Driving down the rode it
seems sometimes like every other driver is talking on the phone and
paying only token attention to driving.
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Cheryl - 09 Jun 2004 01:54 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", Steve Touchstone
<stouchst@junksirinet.net> artfully composed this message within
<news:sklcc010jhe7bs64osqbd2n6cn14befu4h@4ax.com> on 08 Jun 2004:

> I understand some places have made using cell phones while
> driving illegal - which I would fully support here. Driving down
> the rode it seems sometimes like every other driver is talking
> on the phone and paying only token attention to driving.

gggggggrrrrrrrrrr I won't get started on driving and talking on cell
phones!!!  I drive the Capitol beltway in the DC area 2x per day for
an hour commute each way. My pet peeves are talking on cell phones,
and the woman I am behind who is putting on make up and doing her
hair.  major GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRR.  I was even passed by a guy doing
about 75 (at least) and he was shaving!

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Dan M - 09 Jun 2004 02:16 GMT
> gggggggrrrrrrrrrr I won't get started on driving and talking on cell
> phones!!!  I drive the Capitol beltway in the DC area 2x per day for
> an hour commute each way. My pet peeves are talking on cell phones,
> and the woman I am behind who is putting on make up and doing her
> hair.  major GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRR.  I was even passed by a guy doing
> about 75 (at least) and he was shaving!

After my most recent employment upset, I'm driving a semi-truck (have
been for a few months now). I can't tell you the number of times I've
had car drivers cut me off in traffic because they were too busy talking
on their cell phones to pay attention to driving. Cutting too close in
front of a truck weighing 80000 pounds (a little over 36000 kg if my
math is working) travelling at 55 MPH is not an overly bright thing to do!

Dan
Cheryl - 09 Jun 2004 02:36 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", Dan M
<dan@webfolks.us> artfully composed this message within
<news:2in6s0Fon9frU1@uni-berlin.de> on 08 Jun 2004:

>> gggggggrrrrrrrrrr I won't get started on driving and talking on
>> cell phones!!!  I drive the Capitol beltway in the DC area 2x
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Dan

They do that all the time here. The reason (or stupidly thinking)
that to get behind a big truck while in rush hour traffic means
that you are stuck behind a big truck that can't accelerate fast
enough to keep up with the traffic in front of them, who will
undoubtably come to a screeching halt within seconds in front of
that slow truck anyways. Most of the fender-benders (and WORSE) are
between small cars and big trucks who couldn't stop fast enough to
keep from hitting the idiots.  Can you tell that traffic is
probably the main cause of the stresses in my life now? It's bad
enough to have lost someone in a car accident but to see people
risk their own life daily over stupid sh.t.

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/shaking head

Seanette Blaylock - 09 Jun 2004 03:06 GMT
Dan M <dan@webfolks.us> had some very interesting things to say about
Re: Windows are not friends anymore:

>After my most recent employment upset, I'm driving a semi-truck (have
>been for a few months now). I can't tell you the number of times I've
>had car drivers cut me off in traffic because they were too busy talking
>on their cell phones to pay attention to driving. Cutting too close in
>front of a truck weighing 80000 pounds (a little over 36000 kg if my
>math is working) travelling at 55 MPH is not an overly bright thing to do!

AFAICT, Southern California drivers in general tend not to be bright.
Tailgating, deliberately cutting off anyone stupid enough to actually
*signal* a desired lane change, allergy to use of turn signals........

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Jo Firey - 09 Jun 2004 06:17 GMT
> Dan M <dan@webfolks.us> had some very interesting things to say about
> Re: Windows are not friends anymore:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >front of a truck weighing 80000 pounds (a little over 36000 kg if my
> >math is working) travelling at 55 MPH is not an overly bright thing to do!

You sound like my husband when he was working driving a beer delivery truck.
Cars behaving like the truck should be able to turn or stop on a dime.
Worse however was getting into my little Honda Prelude with him driving on
the weekend.  He was used to driving the big ole truck and forgot the other
drivers were not that intimidated by my little car.\

Jo
Tanada - 09 Jun 2004 19:00 GMT
> AFAICT, Southern California drivers in general tend not to be bright.
> Tailgating, deliberately cutting off anyone stupid enough to actually
> *signal* a desired lane change, allergy to use of turn signals........

Sounds like Fayetteville....

We call a phenomena that we first saw in Northern California, a
California exit... The joker cutting across six lanes of traffic without
signaling, to make a last minute exit at a place that was advertised
repeatedly for three miles.:P  Unfortunately we see it all the time now.

Pam S who wonders if she can drive like a normal person once she leaves
the crazies of the I-95 corridor.
Seanette Blaylock - 09 Jun 2004 19:11 GMT
Tanada <tanada@earthlink.net> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: Windows are not friends anymore:

>> AFAICT, Southern California drivers in general tend not to be bright.
>> Tailgating, deliberately cutting off anyone stupid enough to actually
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>signaling, to make a last minute exit at a place that was advertised
>repeatedly for three miles.:P  Unfortunately we see it all the time now.

Yep, I see that here in CA, but don't recall seeing it anywhere else
I've driven.

>Pam S who wonders if she can drive like a normal person once she leaves
>the crazies of the I-95 corridor.

We can hope so. :-)

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CATherine - 10 Jun 2004 02:13 GMT
>Tanada <tanada@earthlink.net> had some very interesting things to say
>about Re: Windows are not friends anymore:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>We can hope so. :-)

Colorado Springs is full of crazies. My son is going to be rich
someday since i have so much accidental death insurance on me. As much
as I drive in my job, the odds are, I will die of an accident rather
than in my bed. I often see the California exit. I get cut off
regularly and have had the "bird" flipped at me for driving the speed
limit. I encounter people passing me with a double yellow line and
going up hill! Or they pass me on the shoulder. As well as all the
other things stated upthread. Sometimes people come over into my lane
like I am not there! I sure am glad i have a small car with good
brakes and a powerful motor, so I can get the h*ll out of the way!

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Cheryl - 10 Jun 2004 02:23 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", CATherine
<pepsicola5cents@drop.me.bigsandytelco.com> artfully composed this
message within <news:bfcfc01rm6i0m3kim04fvttt56piv2unmn@4ax.com>
on 09 Jun 2004:

> Colorado Springs is full of crazies. My son is going to be rich
> someday since i have so much accidental death insurance on me.
> As much as I drive in my job, the odds are, I will die of an
> accident rather than in my bed.

I feel that way too. The ironic thing is that it could be in front
of my house. The same busy road that prompted my OP is the one I
have to sit and wait to pull into my driveway from. I watch the
cars coming up behind me and cringe as they realize there is a car
stopped and it isn't at an intersection.

I often see the California exit.
> I get cut off regularly and have had the "bird" flipped at me
> for driving the speed limit. I encounter people passing me with
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> sure am glad i have a small car with good brakes and a powerful
> motor, so I can get the h*ll out of the way!

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Seanette Blaylock - 10 Jun 2004 03:23 GMT
CATherine <pepsicola5cents@drop.me.bigsandytelco.com> had some very
interesting things to say about Re: Windows are not friends anymore:

>Colorado Springs is full of crazies. My son is going to be rich
>someday since i have so much accidental death insurance on me. As much
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>like I am not there! I sure am glad i have a small car with good
>brakes and a powerful motor, so I can get the h*ll out of the way!

Stupid passing tricks are endemic in my part of California. So are the
jerks who go ballistic if you're "only" doing 10mph OVER the speed
limit. My biggest peeves are still tailgaters or the jerks who will
*deliberately* cut off another car that's trying to change lanes.

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Steve Touchstone - 09 Jun 2004 20:37 GMT
>> AFAICT, Southern California drivers in general tend not to be bright.
>> Tailgating, deliberately cutting off anyone stupid enough to actually
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Pam S who wonders if she can drive like a normal person once she leaves
>the crazies of the I-95 corridor.

Unfortunately, I  think the "California exit" you describe, talking on
cell phones, etc., has become a normal hazard pretty much wherever you
are here in the States. Not saying the majority of drivers srive that
way, just that you see it wherever you go. I grew and learned to drive
in California, and for freeway driving I prefer Cailfornia drivers.
Not to say I like driving on freeways. I prefer country roads even if
it takes all day instead of a couple hours to get where I'm going.
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Sherry - 09 Jun 2004 21:56 GMT
>I prefer country roads even if
>it takes all day instead of a couple hours to get where I'm going.

I used to, but it seems lately all the accidents involving drunk drivers have
been on the rural roads. I guess the drunks think they can avoid the highway
patrol that way.
Sherry
Jo Firey - 10 Jun 2004 01:42 GMT
Still remember when my in-laws picked us up at the Portland Oregon airport
after our three year tour in Anchorage.  I rode home from the airport in a
near panic and with my eyes closed.

This after I learned to drive on the Washington DC Beltway. and used to
drive out the Dulles Airport for practice when I was 16.

Jo

> > AFAICT, Southern California drivers in general tend not to be bright.
> > Tailgating, deliberately cutting off anyone stupid enough to actually
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Pam S who wonders if she can drive like a normal person once she leaves
> the crazies of the I-95 corridor.
badwilson - 10 Jun 2004 03:27 GMT
> Still remember when my in-laws picked us up at the Portland Oregon airport
> after our three year tour in Anchorage.  I rode home from the airport in a
> near panic and with my eyes closed.

That is what all our friends who visit us do when we pick them up at the
Bangkok airport!  You have never seen crazy drivers or crazy traffic until
you've driven in Thailand.
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Cheryl - 10 Jun 2004 03:37 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", "badwilson"
<BW@yahoo.com> artfully composed this message within
<news:2ipv3uFovm8qU1@uni-berlin.de> on 09 Jun 2004:

> You have never seen crazy drivers or crazy traffic until
> you've driven in Thailand.

Many of us in the DC area call the Capitol Beltway the US Autobonn.
It even has curves that make people not used to driving it daily of a
racetrack. It's nuts because the curves in the track are usually
where the bumper-to-bumper breaks up and you're driving full speed
(and faster to make up time). It even has a fork going in popular
directions each way and there are always those idiots who wait until
the last second to merge over to go right.

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Kreisleriana - 10 Jun 2004 13:54 GMT
>> Still remember when my in-laws picked us up at the Portland Oregon airport
>> after our three year tour in Anchorage.  I rode home from the airport in a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Bangkok airport!  You have never seen crazy drivers or crazy traffic until
>you've driven in Thailand.

Tell 'em to pretend they're in an Indiana Jones movie. ;)

Do you brake for elephants?

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Tanada - 09 Jun 2004 19:04 GMT
> After my most recent employment upset, I'm driving a semi-truck (have
> been for a few months now). I can't tell you the number of times I've
> had car drivers cut me off in traffic because they were too busy talking
> on their cell phones to pay attention to driving. Cutting too close in
> front of a truck weighing 80000 pounds (a little over 36000 kg if my
> math is working) travelling at 55 MPH is not an overly bright thing to do!

For some reason, people think that a large chevy van should be able to
maneuver and stop like a mini-van, or worse a sub compact.  We've had
people who've had to leave the road and drive up on the side because
they were either tailgating, or misjudged the distance that a large van
can and will travel.  We've also been rear-ended by someone who "didn't
notice us."  For crying out loud.  We drive a chevy 1500, the same size
as those used by your phone and cable companies.  Sorry, end of rant.

Pam S.
Steve Touchstone - 09 Jun 2004 20:37 GMT
>For some reason, people think that a large chevy van should be able to
>maneuver and stop like a mini-van, or worse a sub compact.  We've had
>people who've had to leave the road and drive up on the side because
>they were either tailgating, or misjudged the distance that a large van
>can and will travel.  We've also been rear-ended by someone who "didn't
>notice us."
Wonder if they were talking on one of those dang cell phones
>  For crying out loud.  We drive a chevy 1500, the same size
>as those used by your phone and cable companies.  Sorry, end of rant.
>
>Pam S.
Hence the "Right of Weight" rule I mentioned in the thread about Dave
Y's accident. I don't know how widespread it is, but as a teenage
motorcycle rider I often heard that play on words to stress the need
for defensive driving. Basically, it just means that no matter who has
the "right of way", when you're on a bike you seldom have the "right
of weight", and if you get in an accident the "right of weight" (or
mass) trumps "right of way" every time.
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John F. Eldredge - 09 Jun 2004 23:40 GMT
>On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:04:33 GMT, Tanada <tanada@earthlink.net>
>wrote:  
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>weight" (or
>mass) trumps "right of way" every time.

My parents once had a book containing various stories, poems, essays,
etc., which had originally been read on the air on a 1930's radio
show.  I remember a poem which supposedly was used as an epitaph on a
real tombstone:

   Here lies the body of Mike O'Day
   Who died defending his right of way
   His right was true, his will was strong,
   But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong!

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Kreisleriana - 09 Jun 2004 03:18 GMT
>>In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", "lrulan"
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>I understand some places have made using cell phones while driving
>illegal

Yo, it's illegal here.  But see if it stops some people.  I swear,
some people would rather have fingers ripped off than their cell
phones removed from their ears.  And nine times out of ten, they're
talking to someone that they see all the time anyway,  telling them
where they are, and where they just were.  
I went from age 6 to age 40 and managed to live without reporting to
someone where I was every five minutes, and I don't know why I should
start now. :P

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Tanada - 09 Jun 2004 19:07 GMT
>  Yo, it's illegal here.  But see if it stops some people.  I swear,
> some people would rather have fingers ripped off than their cell
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> someone where I was every five minutes, and I don't know why I should
> start now. :P

Family rule, the passenger takes care of the cell.  If there is no
passenger, the driver will pull over to the side of the road, or into a
parking lot before answering the phone.  We've been in at least one near
hit with an idiot on a cell phone.

Pam S.
Adrian - 10 Jun 2004 15:04 GMT
> I understand some places have made using cell phones while driving
> illegal - which I would fully support here. Driving down the rode it
> seems sometimes like every other driver is talking on the phone and
> paying only token attention to driving.

It was made illegal here in the UK last December, it's still quite
common though to see people driving and using the phone.
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Marina - 08 Jun 2004 05:34 GMT
> Poor Shamrock. Last week, there was a car accident on the road in
> front of my house that ended up in my yard. The car hit lost control
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> car or truck drives by too fast, he jumps out of the windowsill and
> turns around and stares. No one was hurt.

Aww, poor Shamrock. Purrs that he can forget that terrible incident and
enjoy windows again.

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Cheryl - 09 Jun 2004 00:44 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", "Marina"
<frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> artfully composed this message within
<news:2iktklFnvll4U1@uni-berlin.de> on 08 Jun 2004:

> Aww, poor Shamrock. Purrs that he can forget that terrible
> incident and enjoy windows again.

I hope so too. It's just amazing what triggers fear in animals
sometimes. You have to wonder what they see that we don't know they
see that makes them act weird about certain things! Gracias for the
purrs from Shamrock.

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Tanada - 09 Jun 2004 19:10 GMT
> In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", "Marina"
> <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> artfully composed this message within
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> see that makes them act weird about certain things! Gracias for the
> purrs from Shamrock.

Poor kid.  Purrs and good wishes that he gets over it soon.  Berfert
once refused to go through our kitchen in California, as he was entering
the room when a sparrow committed suicide by window.  It took him almost
six weeks before he'd go through the kitchen and he wouldn't sit in
windows for over six months.  However, Berf is an extreme case of paranoia.

Pam S.
hpickering@austin.rr.com - 09 Jun 2004 19:25 GMT
Mark Twain said something like:
We must get out of experience only what it teaches us. The cat that
sat down on a hot stove lid will never sid down on a hot stove lid,
but then again she won't sit down on a cold one either.

>> In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", "Marina"
>> <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> artfully composed this message within
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>Pam S.
Sherry - 08 Jun 2004 11:07 GMT
>Poor Shamrock. Last week, there was a car accident on the road in
>front of my house that ended up in my yard. The car hit lost control
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>car or truck drives by too fast, he jumps out of the windowsill and
>turns around and stares. No one was hurt.

Poor Shamrock!  It sure makes you wonder what's in their little brains. You
think you're in a safe cocoon in your own little home, then whammo. I had a
young woman knock on the door in the middle of the night. She & her boyfriend
got in an argument and he soaked her in diesel fuel and tried to set her on
fire, she got away from him & walked for miles. Nothing like that ever happens
here. It has me totally freaked out, since DH works at night.
She took a bath and put on some of my clothes. We took her to the police
station then.
Now I think *I'LL* start running under the bed when the doorbell rings.

Sherry
polonca12000 - 08 Jun 2004 22:27 GMT
Poor woman! How awful! So glad she escaped.
Purrs,
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<snip> I had a
> young woman knock on the door in the middle of the night. She & her boyfriend
> got in an argument and he soaked her in diesel fuel and tried to set her on
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Sherry
Cheryl - 09 Jun 2004 00:46 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes",
Jun 2004:

> Poor Shamrock!  It sure makes you wonder what's in their little
> brains. You think you're in a safe cocoon in your own little
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Now I think *I'LL* start running under the bed when the doorbell
> rings.

OMG how horrible for the woman! I'm glad you were there, and I hope
she never had to deal with him again. Sheesh. Sherry, you are not
only a haven for the cats in trouble, but the hoomins, too.

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Mischief - 09 Jun 2004 03:38 GMT
You
> think you're in a safe cocoon in your own little home, then whammo. I had a
> young woman knock on the door in the middle of the night. She & her boyfriend
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Sherry

Okaaaaaaaaaaaay, that's just freaky.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 09 Jun 2004 10:22 GMT
> You
>> think you're in a safe cocoon in your own little home, then whammo. I had a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>
>> Sherry

> Okaaaaaaaaaaaay, that's just freaky.

Pretty d*mn creepy if you ask me. But this stuff happens. I hope she
put his *ss in prison!!

Joyce
Sherry - 09 Jun 2004 14:00 GMT
> >> Now I think *I'LL* start running under the bed when the doorbell rings.
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Joyce

Real creepy. She looked to be hardly 20 years old, and lived about 150 miles
from here.  I haven't heard back from her. The plan was for her to call her
parents from the police station and wait for them there. I felt kind of bad
dumping her there but was too afraid of the boyfriend coming to my house
looking for her.
Sherry
Kreisleriana - 09 Jun 2004 14:03 GMT
>> >> Now I think *I'LL* start running under the bed when the doorbell rings.
>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>looking for her.
>Sherry

Where do you guys live again?  Do you know if she has, or can get, a
lawyer?

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Sherry - 09 Jun 2004 14:14 GMT
>Where do you guys live again?  Do you know if she has, or can get, a
>lawyer?
>
>Theresa

Oklahoma.  I got the distinct impression that she maybe either still lives with
her parents, but at any rate there's a definitely family support system with
the parents. She may not need a lawyer after Daddy gets finished with
Boyfriend. Daddy may be the one needing a lawyer.

Sherry
Napoleon - 09 Jun 2004 22:29 GMT
> You
> > think you're in a safe cocoon in your own little home, then whammo. I had a
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Okaaaaaaaaaaaay, that's just freaky.

I've always hoped that there is a special place in hell for men who do
things like that. Men who physically abuse women are the absolute scum
of the earth.

I suppose to be fair I would hope that the place in hell is reserved
for persons of either gender who abuse their partners, I don't think
women do this sort of sh.t nearly as often and when they do, men
almost always have the physical edge and the opportunity to get away.
Jo Firey - 10 Jun 2004 01:46 GMT
> > You
> > > think you're in a safe cocoon in your own little home, then whammo. I had a
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> women do this sort of sh.t nearly as often and when they do, men
> almost always have the physical edge and the opportunity to get away.

It can be as bad, and in a way worse for a man in a similar situation.  And
what do you think would happen if a man showed up at a strangers house in
the middle of the night under similar conditions?

Jo
polonca12000 - 08 Jun 2004 22:25 GMT
I do hope Shamrock gets over his fear really soon.
Purrs,
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Polonca & Soncek

> Poor Shamrock. Last week, there was a car accident on the road in
> front of my house that ended up in my yard. The car hit lost control
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> car or truck drives by too fast, he jumps out of the windowsill and
> turns around and stares. No one was hurt.
 
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