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Jeanne Hedge - 06 Jun 2004 00:00 GMT
spoilers!

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The 1-1/2 miles of The Belmont Stakes strikes again.

1. Birdstone (jockey: Edgar Prado; trainer: Nick Zito) (36-1; $74 to
win)
2. Smarty Jones (Stewart Elliott/John Servis) (1-5)
3. Royal Assault (Pat Day/Nick Zito)

Birdstone won by about a length. He started making his move at the end
of the back straight, caught Smarty Jones shortly before the finish
and (it seemed to me) seemed to be pulling away.

They said before the race that an offer of $20 million (USD) had been
made for Smarty Jones, $40 million if he won the Belmont. That $40
million was later increased to $50 million.

Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

http://www.jhedge.com
Sheenah - 06 Jun 2004 00:29 GMT
> snipped>

Jeanne,

Thank you :^)  Now I know the result I can go to bed - it's gone
mid-night.

Sheenah.
Yoj - 06 Jun 2004 00:35 GMT
> spoilers!
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> http://www.jhedge.com

That's too bad for the people who backed Smarty, but I imagine those who
bet on Birdstone are thrilled to death!

Joy
Kreisleriana - 06 Jun 2004 01:19 GMT
>> spoilers!
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>Joy

It was a heartbreaker-- SJ is *such* a cool horse.

Theresa
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Karen Chuplis - 06 Jun 2004 01:24 GMT
>>> spoilers!
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>
> It was a heartbreaker-- SJ is *such* a cool horse.

He'll be back!
Jo Firey - 06 Jun 2004 02:45 GMT
> >>> spoilers!
> >>>
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> >>
> He'll be back!

He is a gorgeous little horse.  Just not up to a mile and a half.  Darn near
did it anyway didn't he!

Jo
Kreisleriana - 06 Jun 2004 05:16 GMT
>> >>> spoilers!
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>
>Jo

Well, I hope that they can afford not to rush him into stud.  Horses
really aren't mature until they're four years old, and for so many,
you never see what they can really do.  I think he'd make a tremendous
four-year-old.  His genes are in the pipeline anyway, after all.  I
hear his dad's stud fee has skyrocketed. ;)

Theresa
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Karen Chuplis - 06 Jun 2004 01:24 GMT
> spoilers!
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> http://www.jhedge.com

SO sad, but no romp. Birdstone and Smarty were 9 lengths ahead of Royal
Assault. I feel bad that BOTH Smarty's connections AND the winning
connections all felt so bad. Servis' team should be proud and *will* see
Smarty win, and often, later in the year.  Zito *finally* is not the
bridesmaid at the Belmont and should be able to be happier about it. Ah
well, that's horse racing and part of what makes it so fascinating.
Victor Martinez - 06 Jun 2004 01:56 GMT
What's this Belmont thing? A race of sorts?

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Jo Firey - 06 Jun 2004 03:01 GMT
> What's this Belmont thing? A race of sorts?

On the outside chance you aren't joking.

Once a year, for a series of three races, many of us become great fans of
horse racing.  The series is the equivalent of the World Series or the Super
Bowl or the NBA finals.

First race is the Kentucky Derby, at Churchill Downs.  Second is the
Preakness near Baltimore, Maryland.  And third is the Belmont Stakes in New
York.  All the horses are Three Year olds, which actually means many aren't
much over two.  A horse is considered one year old on New Years Day, even if
it was born on December 29th.

To win a Triple Crown means that a single horse has to win all three races.
And it hasn't been done since 1977.

There is quite a bit of difference in the length of the three tracks, so it
is a little bit like asking a runner to compete and win against sprinters,
runners, and marathoners.

Horse breeders are really big believers in genetics, so if Smarty Jones had
won, he likely would have never raced again.  Still might not.  He will be
sold to a syndicate (no one person can risk the amount it would cost to own
him) and likely put to stud for the rest of his life.

Jo
Jeanne Hedge - 06 Jun 2004 05:04 GMT
>> What's this Belmont thing? A race of sorts?
>
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>
>First race is the Kentucky Derby, at Churchill Downs.  

Churchill Downs is in Louisville, Kentucky. I grew up near Louisville
and have never been to the Derby, but have visited Churchill Downs
several times. It's absolutely gorgeous when the flowers are blooming
(a lot are timed to be in bloom for The Derby).

>Second is the
>Preakness near Baltimore, Maryland.  

At Pimlico Race Course. For those who saw the movie or read the book
"Seabiscuit", the famous match race between Seabiscuit and 1937 Triple
Crown winner War Admiral took place at Pimlico in 1938.

>And third is the Belmont Stakes in New
>York.  All the horses are Three Year olds, which actually means many aren't
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>To win a Triple Crown means that a single horse has to win all three races.
>And it hasn't been done since 1977.

There have only been 11 horses in history who have done it:

Sir Barton (1919)
Gallant Fox (1930)
Omaha (1935)
War Admiral (1937)
Whirlaway (1941)
Count Fleet (1943)
Assault (1946)
Citation (1948)
Secretariat (1973)
Seattle Slew (1977)
Affirmed (1978)

I've always wondered why so many horses won the Triple Crown in the
early years, but in recent times it's been feast (3 winners in the
'70s) or famine (25 years between Citation and Secretariat; 26 years
since the great Affirmed/Alydar battles)

>There is quite a bit of difference in the length of the three tracks, so it
>is a little bit like asking a runner to compete and win against sprinters,
>runners, and marathoners.

Yeah, it's almost unfair, but it's what separates the great race
horses from the rest.

The Kentucky Derby is 1-1/4 miles (Secretariat is the only horse to
run The Derby in less than 2 minutes). The Preakness Stakes is 1-3/16
miles. The Belmont Stakes is 1-1/2 miles. Today's commentators noted
that most of these horses will never again run a race as long as the
Belmont.

I still remember as a kid watching with awe as Secretariat absolutely
destroyed the field in the 1973 Belmont, winning by 31 lengths - and
still setting a track record! They couldn't get him and the 2nd place
horse on the TV screen at the same time without resorting to lenses
that made the horses look like ants.

>Horse breeders are really big believers in genetics, so if Smarty Jones had
>won, he likely would have never raced again.  Still might not.  He will be
>sold to a syndicate (no one person can risk the amount it would cost to own
>him) and likely put to stud for the rest of his life.

Right now they're saying he's going to run in the Breeder's Cup races
later this year, and will run as a 4 year old too. We'll see - you're
right about what usually happens.

Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

http://www.jhedge.com
Karen Chuplis - 06 Jun 2004 05:52 GMT
>> To win a Triple Crown means that a single horse has to win all three races.
>> And it hasn't been done since 1977.
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> '70s) or famine (25 years between Citation and Secretariat; 26 years
> since the great Affirmed/Alydar battles)

Well, in the old days when wins happened with fair frequency, only 4 or 5
thousand thoroughbreds a year were born. Today 40,000 are born every year.
The competition is enormous and the horses are bred for speed instead of
stamina. It is a whole different ballgame now.

>> There is quite a bit of difference in the length of the three tracks, so it
>> is a little bit like asking a runner to compete and win against sprinters,
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> horse on the TV screen at the same time without resorting to lenses
> that made the horses look like ants.

That was something no one will ever see again. I was a little girl and
didn't see it then, but I've watched it now and it makes me cry. It's
astounding.

>> Horse breeders are really big believers in genetics, so if Smarty Jones had
>> won, he likely would have never raced again.  Still might not.  He will be
>> sold to a syndicate (no one person can risk the amount it would cost to own
>> him) and likely put to stud for the rest of his life.

This may very well help. His studs estimates might not be quite so gonzo and
the insurance might not be as high. They were going to have to pay almost
two mill a year for insurance if he won. I'm hope hope hoping he keeps form
and the insurance goes down. I still think he is going to be one of the
greats if he gets a chance to continue running.

> Right now they're saying he's going to run in the Breeder's Cup races
> later this year, and will run as a 4 year old too. We'll see - you're
> right about what usually happens.

Oh, even before today, that was indeed in the plan. It's whether or not
he'll get to run next year that is up in the air. I hope he stays healthy.
If so, it'll be a great thing to look forward to.

Karen
> Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha
>
> http://www.jhedge.com
Jo Firey - 06 Jun 2004 19:34 GMT
THank you for your detailed reply.  I was hoping someone who knew a little
more than the bare gloss details would.   (Plus means I don't have to look
up details on past winners for my argument with my spouse)

It would be great for racing if a known popular horse like Smarty continued
to race.  Might get more TV coverage and more real fans.

> >> What's this Belmont thing? A race of sorts?
> >
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>
> http://www.jhedge.com
Jeanne Hedge - 06 Jun 2004 21:06 GMT
>THank you for your detailed reply.  I was hoping someone who knew a little
>more than the bare gloss details would.  

Thanks, but Karen seems to know more about it than I do :)

A lot of my knowledge is of the "by osmosis" type, from growing up in
the area, our major local newspaper being out of Louisville, and the
run up to the TC getting *major* coverage there every Spring ^_^

Our other major local newspapers came from Indianapolis, so you can
guess what sporting event got lots and lots of coverage (and lots of
opportunity for osmosis) during the month of May <g>

>(Plus means I don't have to look
>up details on past winners for my argument with my spouse)

If I may ask, what were you discussing? ;)

>It would be great for racing if a known popular horse like Smarty continued
>to race.  Might get more TV coverage and more real fans.

Absolutely.

The champion racehorse John Henry raced (and won) until he was 9
during the '70s and '80s. Of course, being a gelding he had no future
career as a stud for his owners to try to make money from. Another
champion racehorse, Cigar, won all 10 of his races as a 5 year old
(1995), and continued his streak to ultimately tie the all-time record
of 16 consecutive wins in 1996. He retired as a 6 year old late that
year and went on to a career at stud.

I *think* both horses are still alive, although John Henry would be
pushing 30 if he is.

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Jo Firey - 06 Jun 2004 21:36 GMT
> >THank you for your detailed reply.  I was hoping someone who knew a little
> >more than the bare gloss details would.
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> the area, our major local newspaper being out of Louisville, and the
> run up to the TC getting *major* coverage there every Spring ^_^

My closest track growing up was Pimlico which was, and I think still is a
dump.  They used to polish it up for the annual big deal.
And I did try to learn about racing and handicaping for a while in my teans,
(in addition the reading the Black Stallion series like most girls my age)
All I learned was that the old guys at the diner where I worked who sat
around reading the racing section really didn't know a darned thing.  They
just liked to pretend they did.

> >(Plus means I don't have to look
> >up details on past winners for my argument with my spouse)
>
> If I may ask, what were you discussing? ;)

Just arguing about the number of past winners.  Silly of me since he is ten
years older than I am so would remember more of that sort of thing.  (68 vs
58)

> >It would be great for racing if a known popular horse like Smarty continued
> >to race.  Might get more TV coverage and more real fans.
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>
> http://www.jhedge.com
Karen Chuplis - 06 Jun 2004 23:15 GMT
>> THank you for your detailed reply.  I was hoping someone who knew a little
>> more than the bare gloss details would.
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>
> http://www.jhedge.com

Last I heard John Henry is alive and ornrey as ever, kicking up his heels at
29. I think Cigar is too. Yep, if you aren't a gelding, and you are a champ,
you won't race past year 4. Too chancy and too expensive.
Kreisleriana - 07 Jun 2004 15:30 GMT
(snip)

>> The champion racehorse John Henry raced (and won) until he was 9
>> during the '70s and '80s. Of course, being a gelding he had no future
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>Last I heard John Henry is alive and ornrey as ever, kicking up his heels at
>29.

Bless his grumpy heart.  Now there's a racehorse. ;)  And what does he
have to be so nasty about?  Imagine what he was like before he was
cut. :P

> I think Cigar is too. Yep, if you aren't a gelding, and you are a champ,
>you won't race past year 4. Too chancy and too expensive.

I saw that SJ's owners are expecting to run him as a four-year -old.
I hope so.  He might really blossom as a four year old.  Speaking of
that, I think that Rock Hard Ten's owners should seriously consider
keeping him running as a four-year-old.  He probably won't mentally
grow into that ridiculously big body of his until then.

Theresa
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Karen Chuplis - 06 Jun 2004 23:19 GMT
> THank you for your detailed reply.  I was hoping someone who knew a little
> more than the bare gloss details would.   (Plus means I don't have to look
> up details on past winners for my argument with my spouse)
>
> It would be great for racing if a known popular horse like Smarty continued
> to race.  Might get more TV coverage and more real fans.

This year, the NTRA is having a series to get people looped into the
Breeders cup which I am THRILLED about. Super Saturdays:

NTRA Super Saturdays Lineup

June 12: ESPN, 4-6 p.m. (EDT)
Stephen Foster Handicap (gr. I), Churchill Downs
Brooklyn Handicap (gr. II), Belmont Park
Fleur de Lis Stakes (gr. II), Churchill Downs
Charles Whittingham Memorial Handicap (gr. IT), Hollywood Park
Ohio Derby (gr. II), Thistledown

July 3, ESPN, 4-6 p.m. (EDT)
United Nations Handicap (gr. IT), Monmouth Park
Suburban Handicap (gr. I), Belmont Park
Firecracker Breeders' Cup Handicap (gr. IIT), Churchill Downs
American Oaks (gr. IT), Hollywood Park
Royal Ascot recap

Aug. 14, ABC, 4-6 p.m. (EDT)
Arlington Million (gr. IT), Arlington Park
Alfred Vanderbilt Handicap (gr. II), Saratoga
Sword Dancer Handicap (gr. IT), Saratoga
Beverly D. Stakes (gr. IT), Arlington Park

Sept. 19, ABC, 4-6 p.m. (EDT)
Belmont Futurity (gr. I), Belmont Park
Matron Stakes (gr. I), Belmont Park
Atto Mile (gr. IT), Woodbine
Ruffian Stakes (gr. I) Belmont Park

Oct. 2, ESPN, 4-6 p.m. (EDT)
Jockey Club Gold Cup (gr. I), Belmont Park
Joe Hirsch Turf Classic (gr. IT), Belmont Park
Yellow Ribbon Stakes (gr. IT), Oak Tree
Clement Hirsch Handicap (gr. IT), Oak Tree
Vosburgh Handicap (gr. I), Belmont Park
Flower Bowl Invitational Handicap (gr. IT), Belmont Park
Karen Chuplis - 06 Jun 2004 05:54 GMT
>> What's this Belmont thing? A race of sorts?
>
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>
> Jo

One nice thing is no matter what, Chapman's will retain 10 percent ownership
and will NOT let him go out of the U.S., he cannot be overbred (they get to
set a number per year, I believe) and there will be a condition that fans
are able to have access to visit him even when he retires.
Yowie - 11 Jun 2004 02:30 GMT
Ok, now I've figured out that the Belmont Stakes is a horse race, but what
is the "big deal" about it? I"ve never heard of it till now.

Yowie
Karen Chuplis - 12 Jun 2004 15:40 GMT
> Ok, now I've figured out that the Belmont Stakes is a horse race, but what
> is the "big deal" about it? I"ve never heard of it till now.
>
> Yowie

It's the third race in a series of races that has become known as The Triple
Crown.  It's the longest and most grueling. THe Kentucky Derby is the first
leg, the Preakness the second and the Belmont the third. It is now often
argued as an obsolete race because there is maybe one other 12 furlong race
in the U.S. Horses are now bred for speed and not distance. The races are
*only* to be entered by 3 year old horses.  Since 1919 there have only been
11 horses to do it. It is said to be the most difficult athletic event
beside golf's Grand Slam (of which I know nothing about).  The biggest deal
on this one is that somehow, there was a huge national interest, far above
average for horseracing in the outcome of this one because the owners and
the horse itself are so endearing. They are from the working class race
courses and the horse is owned by an elderly couple who came from the
working class and built up a car sales business of healthy proportions. The
first trainer who was well respected was murdered along with his wife by his
stepson when he discovered the stepson was stealing checks and cashing them
with forged signatures. The elderly couple were devestated and sold off all
but two of their horses. One of those was a colt now named Smarty Jones
after the wife's mother who shared a birthday with the horse. The new
trainer is a good trainer at a very (for a racetrack) small racetrack. Seems
to be a totally upstanding fellow, married his best friend, solid, adoring
father to two boys (considers this entire year wonderful except for the fact
he had to be away from family). Completely squashed every famous jockey that
wanted to ride this horse but insisting only the jockey that had always
ridden him would continue to do so, thereby putting one of the good but
never known jockey's in the limelight.  Smarty himself nearly was killed in
a gate accident at two years old.  It was an accident that many horses
(extremely volitile to "remembered" pain) would not have come back from
successfully. Instead, Smarty won every race he was entered in after his
recovery. He went into the KD undefeated and won, the first since 1977 to do
that and then won the Preakness by the widest margin in its 129 year
history. He lost the Belmont (and therefore the Triple Crown) by a short
length to a fresh horse (meaning the horse had not raced in the Preakness
and had 3 extra weeks of rest). The rest of the horses were at least eight
lengths behind. Hopefully, he will come back and show any doubters that he
*is* an amazing horse (yes, he seems to still have to prove this to many) by
winning against older horses (his times have already shown he can do this)
later this year. Normally, you see, horses that get to this point are owned
by sheiks or "old money" families and trained by the big name trainers.
Seattle Slew and last years Funny Cide are exceptions to this. Seattle Slew
*did* win the triple crown undefeated. Funny Cide did not win the Belmont
and his story (also pretty fun and now in a book, soon to be movie on TV)
either. Smarty's difference from Funny Cide is that 1) the entire state of
Philadelphia - where Smarty and his folk are - are desparately seeking a
champion. This was going to be THEIR year. Alas, it is not.  The big
difference here is that even the doubting big name sports writers believe in
Smarty Jones ability. All the jockeys believe in him. The other trainers!!
believe in him. He is quite the story here. Here is a great story that shows
you just how much this horse affected everyone:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/frank_deford/06/09/viewpoint/i
ndex.html

I put together a slide show that seems to show his personality and it also
shows how much his connections love him:

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kchuplis/slideshow?&.dir=/282e&.src=ph

and this article, well, this is just what it's all about (possible TW here.
It's so sweet):

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/storyprint.asp?StoryID=254728

Karen
(can you tell I'm totally sucked in by racing?)
Cheryl - 12 Jun 2004 17:29 GMT
In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", Karen Chuplis
<kchuplis@alltel.net> artfully composed this message within
<news:BCF08018.31DC1%kchuplis@alltel.net> on 12 Jun 2004:

> (can you tell I'm totally sucked in by racing?)

Thanks for the history you posted about SJ. I enjoyed reading it, and
I can see why everyone was pulling for him. The photos were great,
and my favorites were Smarty and Mario (you can really see his
personality in those!) and the bath pics (same, full of personality!)

Thanks Karen!

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Karen Chuplis - 12 Jun 2004 17:56 GMT
> In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", Karen Chuplis
> <kchuplis@alltel.net> artfully composed this message within
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Thanks Karen!

I have one I've got to get in there of two dirls petting him. Not many
racehorses would allow that! Certainly not ol' John Henry. Someone just
asked about him on here and there was an article just this week on how he is
really still feisty at 29!

Karen
Steve Touchstone - 12 Jun 2004 19:04 GMT
<snip>
>Karen
>(can you tell I'm totally sucked in by racing?)
LOL

Nah, really? I never thought you liked horseys!

I don't follow racing except for times like this year when I tune in
to see what the big deal is all about. Found myself quite taken by the
SJ story, not just the horse but the loyalty shown by owners and
trainer. Loyalty not a big part of big time racing - which is big time
business, and dominated by horses owned by corporation and syndicates.
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Yowie - 15 Jun 2004 00:37 GMT
> > Ok, now I've figured out that the Belmont Stakes is a horse race, but what
> > is the "big deal" about it? I"ve never heard of it till now.
> >
> > Yowie

<snip detailed history - thanks - of the Belmont Stakes>

We have hte Melbourne Cup here, aprantly its the race that stops the nation
(and slows down New Zealand too). I care so much about it that I'm lucky to
remember to put my name down for the office sweeps, and only turn up to
watch the race because of the afternoon tea afterwards. Horse races really
don't do it for me.

Now a from rags to riches story is another thing altogether - the horse race
is just the means to an end. In that case, I probably would have been
interested, but it didn't even make it on the news here, which is surprising
because less popular American stuff gets shown all the time (when its a slow
news day, usually). I always try to support the underdog, or should that be
'underhorse', so would have cheered Smarty Jones too.

Yowie
Jeanne Hedge - 15 Jun 2004 03:08 GMT
>We have hte Melbourne Cup here, aprantly its the race that stops the nation
>(and slows down New Zealand too). I care so much about it that I'm lucky to
>remember to put my name down for the office sweeps, and only turn up to
>watch the race because of the afternoon tea afterwards. Horse races really
>don't do it for me.

The Belmont Stakes normally isn't that big of a deal. This year was a
special circumstance, though, because Smarty Jones had won the first 2
races of the Triple Crown, and winning the Triple Crown *is* a big
deal.

If there's one horse race in the US that only casual fans take note of
(have office pools for, etc), I'd say it's the Kentucky Derby.

>Now a from rags to riches story is another thing altogether - the horse race
>is just the means to an end. In that case, I probably would have been
>interested, but it didn't even make it on the news here, which is surprising
>because less popular American stuff gets shown all the time (when its a slow
>news day, usually). I always try to support the underdog, or should that be
>'underhorse', so would have cheered Smarty Jones too.

Maybe you would have seen something had Smarty Jones won. :)

Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

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Karen Chuplis - 15 Jun 2004 03:49 GMT
>> We have hte Melbourne Cup here, aprantly its the race that stops the nation
>> (and slows down New Zealand too). I care so much about it that I'm lucky to
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>
> Maybe you would have seen something had Smarty Jones won. :)

Oh yeah. Makes me sad all over again that he didn't :(
Kreisleriana - 15 Jun 2004 14:08 GMT
>>> We have hte Melbourne Cup here, aprantly its the race that stops the nation
>>> (and slows down New Zealand too). I care so much about it that I'm lucky to
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>>
>Oh yeah. Makes me sad all over again that he didn't :(

.
He's sooo tiny.  Like a pocket-sized race horse.  When he's in the
pack, you can't see him.  Maybe he has to get out ahead because he
can't see over all the other horse's butts.

Theresa
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Karen Chuplis - 16 Jun 2004 00:06 GMT
>>>> We have hte Melbourne Cup here, aprantly its the race that stops the nation
>>>> (and slows down New Zealand too). I care so much about it that I'm lucky to
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> pack, you can't see him.  Maybe he has to get out ahead because he
> can't see over all the other horse's butts.

Heh. Maybe! Birdstone, who beat him, is even a few inches smaller.
Kreisleriana - 15 Jun 2004 14:01 GMT
>> > Ok, now I've figured out that the Belmont Stakes is a horse race, but
>what
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>We have hte Melbourne Cup here, aprantly its the race that stops the nation
>(and slows down New Zealand too).

My ex-BF's mum lives right near the track where it's run.

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