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Jeanne Hedge - 06 Jun 2004 00:00 GMT spoilers!
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The 1-1/2 miles of The Belmont Stakes strikes again.
1. Birdstone (jockey: Edgar Prado; trainer: Nick Zito) (36-1; $74 to win) 2. Smarty Jones (Stewart Elliott/John Servis) (1-5) 3. Royal Assault (Pat Day/Nick Zito)
Birdstone won by about a length. He started making his move at the end of the back straight, caught Smarty Jones shortly before the finish and (it seemed to me) seemed to be pulling away.
They said before the race that an offer of $20 million (USD) had been made for Smarty Jones, $40 million if he won the Belmont. That $40 million was later increased to $50 million.
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Sheenah - 06 Jun 2004 00:29 GMT > snipped> Jeanne,
Thank you :^) Now I know the result I can go to bed - it's gone mid-night.
Sheenah.
Yoj - 06 Jun 2004 00:35 GMT > spoilers! > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > http://www.jhedge.com That's too bad for the people who backed Smarty, but I imagine those who bet on Birdstone are thrilled to death!
Joy
Kreisleriana - 06 Jun 2004 01:19 GMT >> spoilers! >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Joy It was a heartbreaker-- SJ is *such* a cool horse.
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Karen Chuplis - 06 Jun 2004 01:24 GMT >>> spoilers! >>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > It was a heartbreaker-- SJ is *such* a cool horse. He'll be back!
Jo Firey - 06 Jun 2004 02:45 GMT > >>> spoilers! > >>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >> > He'll be back! He is a gorgeous little horse. Just not up to a mile and a half. Darn near did it anyway didn't he!
Jo
Kreisleriana - 06 Jun 2004 05:16 GMT >> >>> spoilers! >> >>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Jo Well, I hope that they can afford not to rush him into stud. Horses really aren't mature until they're four years old, and for so many, you never see what they can really do. I think he'd make a tremendous four-year-old. His genes are in the pipeline anyway, after all. I hear his dad's stud fee has skyrocketed. ;)
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Karen Chuplis - 06 Jun 2004 01:24 GMT > spoilers! > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > http://www.jhedge.com SO sad, but no romp. Birdstone and Smarty were 9 lengths ahead of Royal Assault. I feel bad that BOTH Smarty's connections AND the winning connections all felt so bad. Servis' team should be proud and *will* see Smarty win, and often, later in the year. Zito *finally* is not the bridesmaid at the Belmont and should be able to be happier about it. Ah well, that's horse racing and part of what makes it so fascinating.
Victor Martinez - 06 Jun 2004 01:56 GMT What's this Belmont thing? A race of sorts?
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Jo Firey - 06 Jun 2004 03:01 GMT > What's this Belmont thing? A race of sorts? On the outside chance you aren't joking.
Once a year, for a series of three races, many of us become great fans of horse racing. The series is the equivalent of the World Series or the Super Bowl or the NBA finals.
First race is the Kentucky Derby, at Churchill Downs. Second is the Preakness near Baltimore, Maryland. And third is the Belmont Stakes in New York. All the horses are Three Year olds, which actually means many aren't much over two. A horse is considered one year old on New Years Day, even if it was born on December 29th.
To win a Triple Crown means that a single horse has to win all three races. And it hasn't been done since 1977.
There is quite a bit of difference in the length of the three tracks, so it is a little bit like asking a runner to compete and win against sprinters, runners, and marathoners.
Horse breeders are really big believers in genetics, so if Smarty Jones had won, he likely would have never raced again. Still might not. He will be sold to a syndicate (no one person can risk the amount it would cost to own him) and likely put to stud for the rest of his life.
Jo
Jeanne Hedge - 06 Jun 2004 05:04 GMT >> What's this Belmont thing? A race of sorts? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >First race is the Kentucky Derby, at Churchill Downs. Churchill Downs is in Louisville, Kentucky. I grew up near Louisville and have never been to the Derby, but have visited Churchill Downs several times. It's absolutely gorgeous when the flowers are blooming (a lot are timed to be in bloom for The Derby).
>Second is the >Preakness near Baltimore, Maryland. At Pimlico Race Course. For those who saw the movie or read the book "Seabiscuit", the famous match race between Seabiscuit and 1937 Triple Crown winner War Admiral took place at Pimlico in 1938.
>And third is the Belmont Stakes in New >York. All the horses are Three Year olds, which actually means many aren't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >To win a Triple Crown means that a single horse has to win all three races. >And it hasn't been done since 1977. There have only been 11 horses in history who have done it:
Sir Barton (1919) Gallant Fox (1930) Omaha (1935) War Admiral (1937) Whirlaway (1941) Count Fleet (1943) Assault (1946) Citation (1948) Secretariat (1973) Seattle Slew (1977) Affirmed (1978)
I've always wondered why so many horses won the Triple Crown in the early years, but in recent times it's been feast (3 winners in the '70s) or famine (25 years between Citation and Secretariat; 26 years since the great Affirmed/Alydar battles)
>There is quite a bit of difference in the length of the three tracks, so it >is a little bit like asking a runner to compete and win against sprinters, >runners, and marathoners. Yeah, it's almost unfair, but it's what separates the great race horses from the rest.
The Kentucky Derby is 1-1/4 miles (Secretariat is the only horse to run The Derby in less than 2 minutes). The Preakness Stakes is 1-3/16 miles. The Belmont Stakes is 1-1/2 miles. Today's commentators noted that most of these horses will never again run a race as long as the Belmont.
I still remember as a kid watching with awe as Secretariat absolutely destroyed the field in the 1973 Belmont, winning by 31 lengths - and still setting a track record! They couldn't get him and the 2nd place horse on the TV screen at the same time without resorting to lenses that made the horses look like ants.
>Horse breeders are really big believers in genetics, so if Smarty Jones had >won, he likely would have never raced again. Still might not. He will be >sold to a syndicate (no one person can risk the amount it would cost to own >him) and likely put to stud for the rest of his life. Right now they're saying he's going to run in the Breeder's Cup races later this year, and will run as a 4 year old too. We'll see - you're right about what usually happens.
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Karen Chuplis - 06 Jun 2004 05:52 GMT >> To win a Triple Crown means that a single horse has to win all three races. >> And it hasn't been done since 1977. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > '70s) or famine (25 years between Citation and Secretariat; 26 years > since the great Affirmed/Alydar battles) Well, in the old days when wins happened with fair frequency, only 4 or 5 thousand thoroughbreds a year were born. Today 40,000 are born every year. The competition is enormous and the horses are bred for speed instead of stamina. It is a whole different ballgame now.
>> There is quite a bit of difference in the length of the three tracks, so it >> is a little bit like asking a runner to compete and win against sprinters, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > horse on the TV screen at the same time without resorting to lenses > that made the horses look like ants. That was something no one will ever see again. I was a little girl and didn't see it then, but I've watched it now and it makes me cry. It's astounding.
>> Horse breeders are really big believers in genetics, so if Smarty Jones had >> won, he likely would have never raced again. Still might not. He will be >> sold to a syndicate (no one person can risk the amount it would cost to own >> him) and likely put to stud for the rest of his life. This may very well help. His studs estimates might not be quite so gonzo and the insurance might not be as high. They were going to have to pay almost two mill a year for insurance if he won. I'm hope hope hoping he keeps form and the insurance goes down. I still think he is going to be one of the greats if he gets a chance to continue running.
> Right now they're saying he's going to run in the Breeder's Cup races > later this year, and will run as a 4 year old too. We'll see - you're > right about what usually happens. Oh, even before today, that was indeed in the plan. It's whether or not he'll get to run next year that is up in the air. I hope he stays healthy. If so, it'll be a great thing to look forward to.
Karen
> Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha > > http://www.jhedge.com Jo Firey - 06 Jun 2004 19:34 GMT THank you for your detailed reply. I was hoping someone who knew a little more than the bare gloss details would. (Plus means I don't have to look up details on past winners for my argument with my spouse)
It would be great for racing if a known popular horse like Smarty continued to race. Might get more TV coverage and more real fans.
> >> What's this Belmont thing? A race of sorts? > > [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > http://www.jhedge.com Jeanne Hedge - 06 Jun 2004 21:06 GMT >THank you for your detailed reply. I was hoping someone who knew a little >more than the bare gloss details would. Thanks, but Karen seems to know more about it than I do :)
A lot of my knowledge is of the "by osmosis" type, from growing up in the area, our major local newspaper being out of Louisville, and the run up to the TC getting *major* coverage there every Spring ^_^
Our other major local newspapers came from Indianapolis, so you can guess what sporting event got lots and lots of coverage (and lots of opportunity for osmosis) during the month of May <g>
>(Plus means I don't have to look >up details on past winners for my argument with my spouse) If I may ask, what were you discussing? ;)
>It would be great for racing if a known popular horse like Smarty continued >to race. Might get more TV coverage and more real fans. Absolutely.
The champion racehorse John Henry raced (and won) until he was 9 during the '70s and '80s. Of course, being a gelding he had no future career as a stud for his owners to try to make money from. Another champion racehorse, Cigar, won all 10 of his races as a 5 year old (1995), and continued his streak to ultimately tie the all-time record of 16 consecutive wins in 1996. He retired as a 6 year old late that year and went on to a career at stud.
I *think* both horses are still alive, although John Henry would be pushing 30 if he is.
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Jo Firey - 06 Jun 2004 21:36 GMT > >THank you for your detailed reply. I was hoping someone who knew a little > >more than the bare gloss details would. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the area, our major local newspaper being out of Louisville, and the > run up to the TC getting *major* coverage there every Spring ^_^ My closest track growing up was Pimlico which was, and I think still is a dump. They used to polish it up for the annual big deal. And I did try to learn about racing and handicaping for a while in my teans, (in addition the reading the Black Stallion series like most girls my age) All I learned was that the old guys at the diner where I worked who sat around reading the racing section really didn't know a darned thing. They just liked to pretend they did.
> >(Plus means I don't have to look > >up details on past winners for my argument with my spouse) > > If I may ask, what were you discussing? ;) Just arguing about the number of past winners. Silly of me since he is ten years older than I am so would remember more of that sort of thing. (68 vs 58)
> >It would be great for racing if a known popular horse like Smarty continued > >to race. Might get more TV coverage and more real fans. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://www.jhedge.com Karen Chuplis - 06 Jun 2004 23:15 GMT >> THank you for your detailed reply. I was hoping someone who knew a little >> more than the bare gloss details would. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > http://www.jhedge.com Last I heard John Henry is alive and ornrey as ever, kicking up his heels at 29. I think Cigar is too. Yep, if you aren't a gelding, and you are a champ, you won't race past year 4. Too chancy and too expensive.
Kreisleriana - 07 Jun 2004 15:30 GMT (snip)
>> The champion racehorse John Henry raced (and won) until he was 9 >> during the '70s and '80s. Of course, being a gelding he had no future [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Last I heard John Henry is alive and ornrey as ever, kicking up his heels at >29. Bless his grumpy heart. Now there's a racehorse. ;) And what does he have to be so nasty about? Imagine what he was like before he was cut. :P
> I think Cigar is too. Yep, if you aren't a gelding, and you are a champ, >you won't race past year 4. Too chancy and too expensive. I saw that SJ's owners are expecting to run him as a four-year -old. I hope so. He might really blossom as a four year old. Speaking of that, I think that Rock Hard Ten's owners should seriously consider keeping him running as a four-year-old. He probably won't mentally grow into that ridiculously big body of his until then.
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Karen Chuplis - 06 Jun 2004 23:19 GMT > THank you for your detailed reply. I was hoping someone who knew a little > more than the bare gloss details would. (Plus means I don't have to look > up details on past winners for my argument with my spouse) > > It would be great for racing if a known popular horse like Smarty continued > to race. Might get more TV coverage and more real fans. This year, the NTRA is having a series to get people looped into the Breeders cup which I am THRILLED about. Super Saturdays:
NTRA Super Saturdays Lineup
June 12: ESPN, 4-6 p.m. (EDT) Stephen Foster Handicap (gr. I), Churchill Downs Brooklyn Handicap (gr. II), Belmont Park Fleur de Lis Stakes (gr. II), Churchill Downs Charles Whittingham Memorial Handicap (gr. IT), Hollywood Park Ohio Derby (gr. II), Thistledown
July 3, ESPN, 4-6 p.m. (EDT) United Nations Handicap (gr. IT), Monmouth Park Suburban Handicap (gr. I), Belmont Park Firecracker Breeders' Cup Handicap (gr. IIT), Churchill Downs American Oaks (gr. IT), Hollywood Park Royal Ascot recap
Aug. 14, ABC, 4-6 p.m. (EDT) Arlington Million (gr. IT), Arlington Park Alfred Vanderbilt Handicap (gr. II), Saratoga Sword Dancer Handicap (gr. IT), Saratoga Beverly D. Stakes (gr. IT), Arlington Park
Sept. 19, ABC, 4-6 p.m. (EDT) Belmont Futurity (gr. I), Belmont Park Matron Stakes (gr. I), Belmont Park Atto Mile (gr. IT), Woodbine Ruffian Stakes (gr. I) Belmont Park
Oct. 2, ESPN, 4-6 p.m. (EDT) Jockey Club Gold Cup (gr. I), Belmont Park Joe Hirsch Turf Classic (gr. IT), Belmont Park Yellow Ribbon Stakes (gr. IT), Oak Tree Clement Hirsch Handicap (gr. IT), Oak Tree Vosburgh Handicap (gr. I), Belmont Park Flower Bowl Invitational Handicap (gr. IT), Belmont Park
Karen Chuplis - 06 Jun 2004 05:54 GMT >> What's this Belmont thing? A race of sorts? > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Jo One nice thing is no matter what, Chapman's will retain 10 percent ownership and will NOT let him go out of the U.S., he cannot be overbred (they get to set a number per year, I believe) and there will be a condition that fans are able to have access to visit him even when he retires.
Yowie - 11 Jun 2004 02:30 GMT Ok, now I've figured out that the Belmont Stakes is a horse race, but what is the "big deal" about it? I"ve never heard of it till now.
Yowie
Karen Chuplis - 12 Jun 2004 15:40 GMT > Ok, now I've figured out that the Belmont Stakes is a horse race, but what > is the "big deal" about it? I"ve never heard of it till now. > > Yowie It's the third race in a series of races that has become known as The Triple Crown. It's the longest and most grueling. THe Kentucky Derby is the first leg, the Preakness the second and the Belmont the third. It is now often argued as an obsolete race because there is maybe one other 12 furlong race in the U.S. Horses are now bred for speed and not distance. The races are *only* to be entered by 3 year old horses. Since 1919 there have only been 11 horses to do it. It is said to be the most difficult athletic event beside golf's Grand Slam (of which I know nothing about). The biggest deal on this one is that somehow, there was a huge national interest, far above average for horseracing in the outcome of this one because the owners and the horse itself are so endearing. They are from the working class race courses and the horse is owned by an elderly couple who came from the working class and built up a car sales business of healthy proportions. The first trainer who was well respected was murdered along with his wife by his stepson when he discovered the stepson was stealing checks and cashing them with forged signatures. The elderly couple were devestated and sold off all but two of their horses. One of those was a colt now named Smarty Jones after the wife's mother who shared a birthday with the horse. The new trainer is a good trainer at a very (for a racetrack) small racetrack. Seems to be a totally upstanding fellow, married his best friend, solid, adoring father to two boys (considers this entire year wonderful except for the fact he had to be away from family). Completely squashed every famous jockey that wanted to ride this horse but insisting only the jockey that had always ridden him would continue to do so, thereby putting one of the good but never known jockey's in the limelight. Smarty himself nearly was killed in a gate accident at two years old. It was an accident that many horses (extremely volitile to "remembered" pain) would not have come back from successfully. Instead, Smarty won every race he was entered in after his recovery. He went into the KD undefeated and won, the first since 1977 to do that and then won the Preakness by the widest margin in its 129 year history. He lost the Belmont (and therefore the Triple Crown) by a short length to a fresh horse (meaning the horse had not raced in the Preakness and had 3 extra weeks of rest). The rest of the horses were at least eight lengths behind. Hopefully, he will come back and show any doubters that he *is* an amazing horse (yes, he seems to still have to prove this to many) by winning against older horses (his times have already shown he can do this) later this year. Normally, you see, horses that get to this point are owned by sheiks or "old money" families and trained by the big name trainers. Seattle Slew and last years Funny Cide are exceptions to this. Seattle Slew *did* win the triple crown undefeated. Funny Cide did not win the Belmont and his story (also pretty fun and now in a book, soon to be movie on TV) either. Smarty's difference from Funny Cide is that 1) the entire state of Philadelphia - where Smarty and his folk are - are desparately seeking a champion. This was going to be THEIR year. Alas, it is not. The big difference here is that even the doubting big name sports writers believe in Smarty Jones ability. All the jockeys believe in him. The other trainers!! believe in him. He is quite the story here. Here is a great story that shows you just how much this horse affected everyone:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/frank_deford/06/09/viewpoint/i ndex.html
I put together a slide show that seems to show his personality and it also shows how much his connections love him:
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kchuplis/slideshow?&.dir=/282e&.src=ph
and this article, well, this is just what it's all about (possible TW here. It's so sweet):
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/storyprint.asp?StoryID=254728
Karen (can you tell I'm totally sucked in by racing?)
Cheryl - 12 Jun 2004 17:29 GMT In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", Karen Chuplis <kchuplis@alltel.net> artfully composed this message within <news:BCF08018.31DC1%kchuplis@alltel.net> on 12 Jun 2004:
> (can you tell I'm totally sucked in by racing?) Thanks for the history you posted about SJ. I enjoyed reading it, and I can see why everyone was pulling for him. The photos were great, and my favorites were Smarty and Mario (you can really see his personality in those!) and the bath pics (same, full of personality!)
Thanks Karen!
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Karen Chuplis - 12 Jun 2004 17:56 GMT > In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.anecdotes", Karen Chuplis > <kchuplis@alltel.net> artfully composed this message within [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Thanks Karen! I have one I've got to get in there of two dirls petting him. Not many racehorses would allow that! Certainly not ol' John Henry. Someone just asked about him on here and there was an article just this week on how he is really still feisty at 29!
Karen
Steve Touchstone - 12 Jun 2004 19:04 GMT <snip>
>Karen >(can you tell I'm totally sucked in by racing?) LOL
Nah, really? I never thought you liked horseys!
I don't follow racing except for times like this year when I tune in to see what the big deal is all about. Found myself quite taken by the SJ story, not just the horse but the loyalty shown by owners and trainer. Loyalty not a big part of big time racing - which is big time business, and dominated by horses owned by corporation and syndicates.
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Yowie - 15 Jun 2004 00:37 GMT > > Ok, now I've figured out that the Belmont Stakes is a horse race, but what > > is the "big deal" about it? I"ve never heard of it till now. > > > > Yowie <snip detailed history - thanks - of the Belmont Stakes>
We have hte Melbourne Cup here, aprantly its the race that stops the nation (and slows down New Zealand too). I care so much about it that I'm lucky to remember to put my name down for the office sweeps, and only turn up to watch the race because of the afternoon tea afterwards. Horse races really don't do it for me.
Now a from rags to riches story is another thing altogether - the horse race is just the means to an end. In that case, I probably would have been interested, but it didn't even make it on the news here, which is surprising because less popular American stuff gets shown all the time (when its a slow news day, usually). I always try to support the underdog, or should that be 'underhorse', so would have cheered Smarty Jones too.
Yowie
Jeanne Hedge - 15 Jun 2004 03:08 GMT >We have hte Melbourne Cup here, aprantly its the race that stops the nation >(and slows down New Zealand too). I care so much about it that I'm lucky to >remember to put my name down for the office sweeps, and only turn up to >watch the race because of the afternoon tea afterwards. Horse races really >don't do it for me. The Belmont Stakes normally isn't that big of a deal. This year was a special circumstance, though, because Smarty Jones had won the first 2 races of the Triple Crown, and winning the Triple Crown *is* a big deal.
If there's one horse race in the US that only casual fans take note of (have office pools for, etc), I'd say it's the Kentucky Derby.
>Now a from rags to riches story is another thing altogether - the horse race >is just the means to an end. In that case, I probably would have been >interested, but it didn't even make it on the news here, which is surprising >because less popular American stuff gets shown all the time (when its a slow >news day, usually). I always try to support the underdog, or should that be >'underhorse', so would have cheered Smarty Jones too. Maybe you would have seen something had Smarty Jones won. :)
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Karen Chuplis - 15 Jun 2004 03:49 GMT >> We have hte Melbourne Cup here, aprantly its the race that stops the nation >> (and slows down New Zealand too). I care so much about it that I'm lucky to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Maybe you would have seen something had Smarty Jones won. :) Oh yeah. Makes me sad all over again that he didn't :(
Kreisleriana - 15 Jun 2004 14:08 GMT >>> We have hte Melbourne Cup here, aprantly its the race that stops the nation >>> (and slows down New Zealand too). I care so much about it that I'm lucky to [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> >Oh yeah. Makes me sad all over again that he didn't :( . He's sooo tiny. Like a pocket-sized race horse. When he's in the pack, you can't see him. Maybe he has to get out ahead because he can't see over all the other horse's butts.
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Karen Chuplis - 16 Jun 2004 00:06 GMT >>>> We have hte Melbourne Cup here, aprantly its the race that stops the nation >>>> (and slows down New Zealand too). I care so much about it that I'm lucky to [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > pack, you can't see him. Maybe he has to get out ahead because he > can't see over all the other horse's butts. Heh. Maybe! Birdstone, who beat him, is even a few inches smaller.
Kreisleriana - 15 Jun 2004 14:01 GMT >> > Ok, now I've figured out that the Belmont Stakes is a horse race, but >what [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >We have hte Melbourne Cup here, aprantly its the race that stops the nation >(and slows down New Zealand too). My ex-BF's mum lives right near the track where it's run.
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