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Takayuki - 05 Jun 2004 00:05 GMT
Is there ever a point when you finally get used to your cat?  I've had
Betty for over a year now, and I haven't gotten used to it.

Every day I spend with Betty feels like the very first day.  When she
strolls into the room, I'm just stunned by how beautiful and catlike
she is.  When I stroke her fur, I can hardly believe how soft she is,
even though it's the same fur I petted yesterday, and the day before
that.  When I pick her up and hold her, it always seems like it's been
ages since I've given her a hug.

I just don't know if I'll ever get used to having Betty.  She's not
like anything else in my life.  She seems miraculous, maybe even
divine.  Her nose is so cool and moist.  Her paws are so supple and
smooth.  Looking into her bright, bright eyes is like gazing at stars
in a sky made of gold.  I don't know if I'll ever get used to having a
cat.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 05 Jun 2004 01:20 GMT
Wow, Tak, what a beautiful post! It's really wonderful that you are so
in touch with the awe that cats inspire, on a daily basis. Maybe because
you've never had one before? Which is not to say that my cats don't also
inspire awe in me, too. Maybe I'm just not as good a writer as you are! :)

Joyce

> Is there ever a point when you finally get used to your cat?  I've had
> Betty for over a year now, and I haven't gotten used to it.

> Every day I spend with Betty feels like the very first day.  When she
> strolls into the room, I'm just stunned by how beautiful and catlike
> she is.  When I stroke her fur, I can hardly believe how soft she is,
> even though it's the same fur I petted yesterday, and the day before
> that.  When I pick her up and hold her, it always seems like it's been
> ages since I've given her a hug.

> I just don't know if I'll ever get used to having Betty.  She's not
> like anything else in my life.  She seems miraculous, maybe even
> divine.  Her nose is so cool and moist.  Her paws are so supple and
> smooth.  Looking into her bright, bright eyes is like gazing at stars
> in a sky made of gold.  I don't know if I'll ever get used to having a
> cat.

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Takayuki - 05 Jun 2004 05:54 GMT
>Wow, Tak, what a beautiful post! It's really wonderful that you are so
>in touch with the awe that cats inspire, on a daily basis. Maybe because
>you've never had one before? Which is not to say that my cats don't also
>inspire awe in me, too. Maybe I'm just not as good a writer as you are! :)

Maybe that's it - it's that I haven't had a cat before.  I remember
when I first got Betty, I immediately loved her, but it also felt
distinctly weird having a little beastie following me around all the
time.  At least I'm used to that part now.  Maybe that's as far as it
goes as far as getting used to having a cat.

I don't think I wrote anything particularly good.  I mean, the cat is
catlike?  Her nose is moist?  Not very keen observations. :)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 05 Jun 2004 13:08 GMT
> Maybe that's it - it's that I haven't had a cat before.  I remember
> when I first got Betty, I immediately loved her, but it also felt
> distinctly weird having a little beastie following me around all the
> time.  At least I'm used to that part now.  Maybe that's as far as it
> goes as far as getting used to having a cat.

Well, there are two ways to interpret the phrase "used to". One is that
you have become accustomed to something, and you expect it to be there.
You've adapted to it, and your life would seem weird *without* it. Sounds
like you've gotten to that point with Betty. A few of the people who
responded to your original post seemed to take it that way, too - I heard
people saying they were accustomed to having their cats, and would find it
weird or even unimaginable not to have them.

The other way to use that phrase, which is how I think you meant it, is
to *take something for granted*. To stop noticing it and stop appreciating
it conciously. You'd stop feeling that daily awe and amazement, that such
creatures are sharing your home and your life, stop paying attention to
all the fascinating and beautiful details of your cats. Not that you'd
stop caring about them, or caring *for* them, just that you'd lose touch
with the concious acknowledgement and appreciation of what a wonderful thing
you have. And that's what I think you were saying you still had, and weren't
sure you'd ever lose. I hope you don't! It's a great gift.

> I don't think I wrote anything particularly good.  I mean, the cat is
> catlike?  Her nose is moist?  Not very keen observations. :)

What can I say - I liked it!

Joyce
SUQKRT - 06 Jun 2004 18:28 GMT
>>Wow, Tak, what a beautiful post! It's really wonderful that you are so
>>in touch with the awe that cats inspire, on a daily basis. Maybe because
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>I don't think I wrote anything particularly good.  I mean, the cat is
>catlike?  Her nose is moist?  Not very keen observations. :)

I was watching tv, but was bored, so watched Spicey playing with her "kitty
playpen" . She's a lot more interesting. Her playpen is two plastic arches with
danglies. The base is a plastic tubering with tinckleballs. The tube has
pawholes for pushing the tinckleballs round and round.
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Crdamz - 05 Jun 2004 01:33 GMT
It is pretty neat to have another living being(not human) that wants to spend
time around you. Cat or dog, when they have a certain kind of personality, it
just really makes it fun to be a pet owner.
    My Calico, Freddie, is the quirkiest cat I have ever had. She has a wide
range of vocalizations and it seems like she meows just to talk to me. She
usually sits on top of the 'fridge and can see me at the computer from her
perch. Often she will meow to get my attention--and this is from two rooms
away--I poke my head around the doorway to answer her and she meows to me
again, then turns back to look out the window. It's as if she is just calling
to me to say "what ya doin?" I answer her and she says "Oh, OK, just wonderin'"
and she goes back to what she was doing.
   Both of my cats follow me through the house and they both lay near by when
I'm watching TV or on the computer. They aren't just my cats, but I really am
their human, ya know?
    At bedtime, Freddie will come up by the pillow for scrunches for a while,
and then she sleeps ON my feet. The other cat lies across my middle. Thet are
both so funny. And, I am so lucky to have them.
Karen Chuplis - 05 Jun 2004 01:33 GMT
> Is there ever a point when you finally get used to your cat?  I've had
> Betty for over a year now, and I haven't gotten used to it.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> in a sky made of gold.  I don't know if I'll ever get used to having a
> cat.

Awwwwww. *sigh*. You are toooooo sweet :)
Ted Davis - 05 Jun 2004 01:56 GMT
>Is there ever a point when you finally get used to your cat?  I've had
>Betty for over a year now, and I haven't gotten used to it.

I had Ming Toi for 17 years - even in her decline, she kept surprising
me.  Fluffy and Spooky have been with me for 12 years, and I long ago
learned not to take them for granted.  I've had Fleagor and Snowball
for only a few years, and they keep changing how they live.  Most of
the others are more predictable, but I know I just haven't given them
enough time.

T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body)
badwilson - 05 Jun 2004 03:37 GMT
Hmmm, I'd say that I'm *used* to having Vino.  I'm damn happy to have him,
he's my bestest buddy.  But I still have to stop and comment on every cute
pose I find him in and scritch his cute little cheeks and rub his fuzzy
belly many times every day.  Even though he has been in those cute poses
hundreds of times, each time is cuter than the last and I have to comment.
When Dennis isn't around, I just talk to Vino himself to myself about how
adorable he is.  Then I send Dennis descriptive emails about the cuteness of
Vino.  When Dennis is home, probably 50% of our conversation revolves around
some cute thing that one of us has seen Vino do.  It is rather pathetic,
really.  But we just can't help it if we have the cutest cat in the world
;-)
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> Is there ever a point when you finally get used to your cat?  I've had
> Betty for over a year now, and I haven't gotten used to it.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> in a sky made of gold.  I don't know if I'll ever get used to having a
> cat.
Kreisleriana - 05 Jun 2004 04:02 GMT
>Hmmm, I'd say that I'm *used* to having Vino.  I'm damn happy to have him,
>he's my bestest buddy.  But I still have to stop and comment on every cute
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>really.  But we just can't help it if we have the cutest cat in the world
>;-)

I am much the same about Stinky.  He always amuses me, he's always
doing something cute, and even when some more detached person might
not think it's particularly cute-- or even somewhat undesirable--  :P
:P :P  -- I still think it's cute, or funny, or both.  

As for whether I am used to him-- or any cats-- well, I don't even
want to consider life without them.  But honestly, I still consider it
a wonder that there are creatures -- little animals-- dogs as well as
cats--  that live with us, and accept us, and consider us their
family.  I still consider it a wonder that this furry little critter
pretty much considers me his property to walk all over as he pleases.
;)

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Takayuki - 05 Jun 2004 05:58 GMT
>Hmmm, I'd say that I'm *used* to having Vino.  I'm damn happy to have him,
>he's my bestest buddy.  But I still have to stop and comment on every cute
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>really.  But we just can't help it if we have the cutest cat in the world
>;-)

You're so enslaved!  50% is really a lot.

I'm hoping that I'll eventually get used to Betty, too.  I figure that
when I'm finally used to her, Betty and I will just be pals.  Instead
of having a cat-goddess/worshipful servant relationship, we can be
equals. :)
Marina - 05 Jun 2004 06:05 GMT
"Takayuki" <Takayuki9z@yahoo.com> wrote

> I'm hoping that I'll eventually get used to Betty, too.  I figure that
> when I'm finally used to her, Betty and I will just be pals.  Instead
> of having a cat-goddess/worshipful servant relationship, we can be
> equals. :)

<snicker> Dream on.

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Sherry - 05 Jun 2004 06:20 GMT
> Instead
>> of having a cat-goddess/worshipful servant relationship, we can be
>> equals. :)

You owe me a new monitor. My cats just spewed all over it before they fell off
the desk laughing.

Sherry
badwilson - 05 Jun 2004 14:10 GMT
> >Hmmm, I'd say that I'm *used* to having Vino.  I'm damn happy to have him,
> >he's my bestest buddy.  But I still have to stop and comment on every cute
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> You're so enslaved!  50% is really a lot.

Heh, what can I say.  We don't have much else to talk about?  LOL!

> I'm hoping that I'll eventually get used to Betty, too.  I figure that
> when I'm finally used to her, Betty and I will just be pals.  Instead
> of having a cat-goddess/worshipful servant relationship, we can be
> equals. :)

Equals?  With a cat?  Don't count on it!!!  You'll always be her servant.  I
know I'm Vino's servant.  I try not to let him boss me around too much but
he always gets back at me.  Today, he wanted his dinner an hour early and I
just kept putting him off.  So he started chewing on this really nice wicker
basket I have.  I pushed him off the coffee table and he hissed at me!
Geez!  I guess I should have expected it ;-)
--
Britta
Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered
in fur!
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Seanette Blaylock - 05 Jun 2004 15:42 GMT
"badwilson" <BW@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: Getting used to the cat:

>Equals?  With a cat?  Don't count on it!!!  You'll always be her servant.  I
>know I'm Vino's servant.  I try not to let him boss me around too much but
>he always gets back at me.  Today, he wanted his dinner an hour early and I
>just kept putting him off.  So he started chewing on this really nice wicker
>basket I have.  I pushed him off the coffee table and he hissed at me!
>Geez!  I guess I should have expected it ;-)

I've been known to hiss back. :-)

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badwilson - 06 Jun 2004 02:41 GMT
> "badwilson" <BW@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to say
> about Re: Getting used to the cat:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> I've been known to hiss back. :-)

Yeah, me too.  I mean, what else can you do, really?
Vino has actually only been hissing for the last couple of years.  He never
knew how to do it before, but now that we have these neighbourhood cats
coming to the windows, they have taught Vino some unfortunate habits.  Not
that he hisses a lot, only when *very* annoyed.  One time, Dennis gave him a
piece of raw beef, then decided to see what would happen if he took it away.
Major hissing there!
--
Britta
Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered
in fur!
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Kreisleriana - 06 Jun 2004 04:49 GMT
>> "badwilson" <BW@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to say
>> about Re: Getting used to the cat:
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>piece of raw beef, then decided to see what would happen if he took it away.
>Major hissing there!

AFAIK, Stinky's never hissed in his goofy little life.
Mimi never had either-- unitl the day I brought Stinky home. ;)

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Tanada - 05 Jun 2004 18:09 GMT
> You're so enslaved!  50% is really a lot.
>
> I'm hoping that I'll eventually get used to Betty, too.  I figure that
> when I'm finally used to her, Betty and I will just be pals.  Instead
> of having a cat-goddess/worshipful servant relationship, we can be
> equals. :)

Wrongo, Tak.  I don't think one ever gets into a "pal" relationship with
their cat.  It might happen with d*gs, but not cats.  I've got seven
here and I still consider it an honor when they crowd me out of the bed,
sit on my monitor with their tails hanging in front of it (one cat at a
time, of course), carpet shark my dinner plate, take my spot on the
sofa, help me cook dinner, or any of the thousands of things they do to
let me know that I'm a part of their family during the course of a day.
 Sort of like having kids, but without diapers.

Pam S.
Karen Chuplis - 05 Jun 2004 18:51 GMT
>> You're so enslaved!  50% is really a lot.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Pam S.

<nods head> kids without diapers, but with hairballs ;)
Dan M - 05 Jun 2004 23:42 GMT
>> I'm hoping that I'll eventually get used to Betty, too.  I figure that
>> when I'm finally used to her, Betty and I will just be pals.  Instead
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> let me know that I'm a part of their family during the course of a day.
>  Sort of like having kids, but without diapers.

I would have agreed whole-heartedly with you until Samuel Redkitten came
into my life.

When I got to bed at night, Sammy *always* come up on my chest to
snuggle. When I get home after being out on the road for a week or two,
Sammy always comes running to check me out and make sure I'm ok.  He
still enjoys his playtime with his sisfurs, and loves to hunt bugs and
gophers, but I *do* get the feeling that he thinks of me as his buddy.
As least, I hope he does :)

Dan
Kreisleriana - 06 Jun 2004 01:11 GMT
>>> I'm hoping that I'll eventually get used to Betty, too.  I figure that
>>> when I'm finally used to her, Betty and I will just be pals.  Instead
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>Dan

Me too.  I really don't think of myself as Stinky's slave.  He's my
little buddy, and even my baby.  But maybe that's just what he *wants*
me to think <wahahahahhahahahaha!> :P

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Dan M - 06 Jun 2004 15:53 GMT
>>I would have agreed whole-heartedly with you until Samuel Redkitten came
>>into my life.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> little buddy, and even my baby.  But maybe that's just what he *wants*
> me to think <wahahahahhahahahaha!> :P

By way of comparison, Amelia *definitely* has me trained. When I come
out of the bedroom and walk down the hall towards the bathroom, she will
run in front of me and dart into the bathroom. She then stands staring
at the towels saying "If you wrap one of those towels around your
shoulders, I'd be glad to hop up there and do a shoulder ride!". Then
when I keep walking past the bathroom she dashes back into the hallway
and runs into the kitchen. She then stares at the door, saying "If you
come outside with us, we'll all who you what excellent outdoor kitties
we are".

Last night when Amelia did her backdoor number I gave in - I went out
back with the kitties. The sun had just set, so the light was soft (my
favorite time of day). Our usual sunset breeze had started, so the
temperature was coming down from it's high of the upper 90s. The birds
were still out doing their things, there were enough bugs moving around
in the grass to give the kitties something to hunt - overall, it was an
excellent time to be outdoors. The two kittens (I still call them
kittens, but at a little over a year old they are now acting like
grownup cats) were hunting bugs and stalking gophers, and the two older
girls were enjoying the breeze. I stayed out there with the kitties for
the better part of an hour. I can't think of a better way to relax.
Flippy - 06 Jun 2004 05:47 GMT
> Instead
> of having a cat-goddess/worshipful servant relationship, we can be
> equals. :)

Yeah, right! LOL!!

Good one, Tak. Hehehe...

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Marina - 05 Jun 2004 05:14 GMT
> Is there ever a point when you finally get used to your cat?  I've had
> Betty for over a year now, and I haven't gotten used to it.

You never do. I've lived with cats my whole life, and I still feel the way
you do. It's only when you are without them for one reason or another that
you realise how used you are to having them around.

I'll be taking the cats to the island on Midsummer, when I have a long
weekend off work. Then I will leave them there (in my mother's care) while I
come back for one more week of work before my holiday starts. This is what I
do each summer. That one week without the cats is the longest week of the
year. I see them out of the corner of my eyes, I hear them doing things
around the house, I feel them coming up on the bed at night, but there is no
one there.

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Takayuki - 05 Jun 2004 06:03 GMT
>You never do. I've lived with cats my whole life, and I still feel the way
>you do. It's only when you are without them for one reason or another that
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>around the house, I feel them coming up on the bed at night, but there is no
>one there.

I'm glad that I'm not the only person that happens to.  Cats are like
very bright lights.  They burn themselves into your brain, leaving an
afterimage so that you always see them, even when they're not actually
there.

Sometimes, it's like Betty is in every corner.  I think I hear her
walking around behind me - but she's really somewhere else, probably
toying with my mind through telepathy.

I'll bet grandmeow feels the same way you do when you take back Frank
and Nikki after the week is over. ;)
CATherine - 05 Jun 2004 15:57 GMT
>I'm glad that I'm not the only person that happens to.  Cats are like
>very bright lights.  They burn themselves into your brain, leaving an
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>walking around behind me - but she's really somewhere else, probably
>toying with my mind through telepathy.

Tak, you really do have a way with words. I feel things but can't get
the words to come right. Thanks for expressing my feelings.

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badwilson - 05 Jun 2004 14:16 GMT
> > Is there ever a point when you finally get used to your cat?  I've had
> > Betty for over a year now, and I haven't gotten used to it.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> around the house, I feel them coming up on the bed at night, but there is no
> one there.

Oh, I know how you must feel!  I find it's hard enough to be away from Vino
when we travel.  But to be at home, in our house, without Vino...that would
be so hard.  I am so attached to the little bugger.  I can't bear to think
of him dying.  In fact, I try to tell myself that in 10 years or so, they
will come up with a magical life extension cure for cats and Vino will live
as long as me!
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Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered
in fur!
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Kreisleriana - 05 Jun 2004 14:31 GMT
>> > Is there ever a point when you finally get used to your cat?  I've had
>> > Betty for over a year now, and I haven't gotten used to it.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>be so hard.  I am so attached to the little bugger.  I can't bear to think
>of him dying.

(snip)

<gulp> er, dying?

LALALALALALALA I can't hear you, I can't hear you!

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O J - 05 Jun 2004 12:22 GMT
>Is there ever a point when you finally get used to your cat?  I've had
>Betty for over a year now, and I haven't gotten used to it.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>in a sky made of gold.  I don't know if I'll ever get used to having a
>cat.

You are so fortunate.  It must be a blessing to look at the world
through your eyes.

Regards and Purrs,
O J
CATherine - 05 Jun 2004 15:46 GMT
>Is there ever a point when you finally get used to your cat?  I've had
>Betty for over a year now, and I haven't gotten used to it.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>in a sky made of gold.  I don't know if I'll ever get used to having a
>cat.

You are utterly besotted; the perfectly trained catslave! ;-)

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CATherine
Adrian - 05 Jun 2004 21:39 GMT
> Is there ever a point when you finally get used to your cat?  I've had
> Betty for over a year now, and I haven't gotten used to it.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> in a sky made of gold.  I don't know if I'll ever get used to having a
> cat.

Now you know how much you missed before Betty came into your life, and
no, you never get used to your cat, every day with them is wonderfull.
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Takayuki - 06 Jun 2004 19:55 GMT
>Now you know how much you missed before Betty came into your life, and
>no, you never get used to your cat, every day with them is wonderfull.

I knew I was missing something by not having a cat, but it was the
people here who pushed me to do something about it. :)
Adrian - 07 Jun 2004 11:20 GMT
>> Now you know how much you missed before Betty came into your life,
>> and no, you never get used to your cat, every day with them is
>> wonderfull.
>
> I knew I was missing something by not having a cat, but it was the
> people here who pushed me to do something about it. :)

I think it was the mothership controlling the people here that pushed
you into doing something about it. ;-)
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Tanada - 08 Jun 2004 04:20 GMT
>>Now you know how much you missed before Betty came into your life, and
>>no, you never get used to your cat, every day with them is wonderfull.
>
> I knew I was missing something by not having a cat, but it was the
> people here who pushed me to do something about it. :)

Now when are you getting her a buddy?  Two cats are ten times the fun of
one cat.  Betty needs a buddy and you need more entertainment.  Get
another master.

Pam S. obeying the orders from her masters and sending this message
Marina - 08 Jun 2004 05:36 GMT
> > I knew I was missing something by not having a cat, but it was the
> > people here who pushed me to do something about it. :)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Pam S. obeying the orders from her masters and sending this message

I agree. If you think you were missing something by not having one cat, you
don't know how much you are missing by not having two or more cats.

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Takayuki - 08 Jun 2004 07:34 GMT
>Now when are you getting her a buddy?  Two cats are ten times the fun of
>one cat.  Betty needs a buddy and you need more entertainment.  Get
>another master.
>
>Pam S. obeying the orders from her masters and sending this message

I'd forgotten about the second cat thing - it definitely needs to get
on my to-do list.  It sounds like a risky move.  If I end up with two
cats that despise each other, then neither will be happy.  Also,
sometimes I think that Betty is lonely, but I'm not sure if I'm
projecting, and if she is lonely, I'm not sure if she's lonely for
another cat.  It's a complex problem.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 08 Jun 2004 07:52 GMT
> It sounds like a risky move.  If I end up with two
> cats that despise each other, then neither will be happy.  

If you adopt a second cat from the shelter and explain your reservations,
I'm sure they will agree to take the second cat back if you can't get
the two to get along. (And be friends - since that's the point.) But
sometimes it takes a little while. And there are techniques to help the
process along. Also you can make some choices about the second cat that
would give them better odds of getting along (although it's really a
crapshoot - you can never tell!). You can ask the shelter about those
things - and I'm sure folks here would have lots of suggestions, too.

> Also, sometimes I think that Betty is lonely, but I'm not sure if I'm
> projecting, and if she is lonely, I'm not sure if she's lonely for
> another cat.

Only one way to find out! :)

Joyce
Annie Wxill - 08 Jun 2004 18:12 GMT
> >Now when are you getting her a buddy?  >
Tak responded
I'd forgotten about the second cat thing - it definitely needs to get
> on my to-do list.  ...

Hey, Tak, I know of six cute little kitties rescued from a barn and learning
how to enjoy snuggles and tummy rubs....
Annie
Tanada - 08 Jun 2004 19:47 GMT
> I'd forgotten about the second cat thing - it definitely needs to get
> on my to-do list.  It sounds like a risky move.  If I end up with two
> cats that despise each other, then neither will be happy.  Also,
> sometimes I think that Betty is lonely, but I'm not sure if I'm
> projecting, and if she is lonely, I'm not sure if she's lonely for
> another cat.  It's a complex problem.

Cats are very sociable with each other.  It is possible that Betty and
the other owner may not get along, but unlikely given Betty's
personality.  That is if you get a cat who is also very sociable and
make sure that Betty knows that you're not replacing her.

Pam S.
Steve Touchstone - 09 Jun 2004 01:23 GMT
>> I'd forgotten about the second cat thing - it definitely needs to get
>> on my to-do list.  It sounds like a risky move.  If I end up with two
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>personality.  That is if you get a cat who is also very sociable and
>make sure that Betty knows that you're not replacing her.

And if you get the new owner at the shelter they can probably steer
you towards the more socialable cats - and hopefully let you have a
trial period where you can return the new kitty if things don't work
out.
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Takayuki - 09 Jun 2004 18:14 GMT
>And if you get the new owner at the shelter they can probably steer
>you towards the more socialable cats - and hopefully let you have a
>trial period where you can return the new kitty if things don't work
>out.

Weeell, I'm not sure I could return a cat, even if it didn't work out.
:)
Takayuki - 09 Jun 2004 18:13 GMT
>Cats are very sociable with each other.  It is possible that Betty and
>the other owner may not get along, but unlikely given Betty's
>personality.  That is if you get a cat who is also very sociable and
>make sure that Betty knows that you're not replacing her.

Betty's personality is actually a concern.  She's a polite, quiet,
clingy little thing.

I'm afraid that if she were paired with another cat with a much more
demonstrative personality, she might not know how to handle it, and
withdraw.
Marina - 08 Jun 2004 19:54 GMT
> I'd forgotten about the second cat thing - it definitely needs to get
> on my to-do list.  It sounds like a risky move.  If I end up with two
> cats that despise each other, then neither will be happy.  Also,
> sometimes I think that Betty is lonely, but I'm not sure if I'm
> projecting, and if she is lonely, I'm not sure if she's lonely for
> another cat.  It's a complex problem.

If it's a young enough cat or kitten I'd say it's highly unlikely that Betty
will not take to it/him/her.

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Takayuki - 09 Jun 2004 18:15 GMT
>If it's a young enough cat or kitten I'd say it's highly unlikely that Betty
>will not take to it/him/her.

What is it with you and recommending kittens? :)  I think that Betty
would hate having a kitten in the house!
hpickering@austin.rr.com - 09 Jun 2004 18:54 GMT
>>If it's a young enough cat or kitten I'd say it's highly unlikely that Betty
>>will not take to it/him/her.
>
>What is it with you and recommending kittens? :)  I think that Betty
>would hate having a kitten in the house!

My first one, Figaro did when I brought Tito home. I did not know that
cats could growl so loud! It was a matter of time and a slow
introduction.
About a week of pawplay under the door and supervised meetings I knew
it was going to work out when Figaro came into the bathroom where Tito
was and picked up his toys that I placed in there for Tito to use.
When I put the toys in there for Tito I figured what the hell, Figaro
doesn't play with them any more Tito can use them.  I guess I was
wrong. You would think that with all the toys that Figaro had he would
not miss any of them.
The next day Figaro came in and used Tito's litter box.  Tito was not
amused. Tito then went and used Figaro's. Since that time they have
been buddies.

A year later they are still buddies, hunt together, sleep together,
play, wrestle, and do other cat stuff together. It just required a
little patience, understanding, and loads of affection on the older
cat.

By the way, I have three now, all about a year apart.

No problems except for the occasional spat. No unnecessary vet bill
due to fighting.
It can be done even with an only cat.

Go for it. Hie thee to the shelter.
Marina - 09 Jun 2004 18:58 GMT
> What is it with you and recommending kittens? :)  I think that Betty
> would hate having a kitten in the house!

On the contrary, I think she would feel less threatened than by an adult
cat, and she might even feel motherly towards it. :o) Like Frank did with
Nikki.

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Karen Chuplis - 10 Jun 2004 01:29 GMT
>> If it's a young enough cat or kitten I'd say it's highly unlikely that Betty
>> will not take to it/him/her.
>
> What is it with you and recommending kittens? :)  I think that Betty
> would hate having a kitten in the house!

You also thought you would not be a good cat daddy ..............
hpickering@austin.rr.com - 08 Jun 2004 14:14 GMT
I was just wondering when this thread was going to go in this
direction

>>>Now you know how much you missed before Betty came into your life, and
>>>no, you never get used to your cat, every day with them is wonderfull.
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>
>Pam S. obeying the orders from her masters and sending this message
Tanada - 08 Jun 2004 19:45 GMT
> I was just wondering when this thread was going to go in this
> direction

you know my masters well, oh not so great one.  I can't call you the
great one or my masters would be really narked.  There are few things
worse than seven narked masters.

Pam S.
hpickering@austin.rr.com - 08 Jun 2004 21:25 GMT
>> I was just wondering when this thread was going to go in this
>> direction
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Pam S.
I followed the whole business last year with Tak and how he was
"persuaded" into being owned.
I must admit he did hold out for a long time.
Tanada - 09 Jun 2004 17:57 GMT
> I followed the whole business last year with Tak and how he was
> "persuaded" into being owned.
> I must admit he did hold out for a long time.

That he did.  However, he'd have saved himself a lot of nagging, and us
a lot of band width if he'd been adopted by two to begin with.

Pam S.
hpickering@austin.rr.com - 09 Jun 2004 18:54 GMT
>> I followed the whole business last year with Tak and how he was
>> "persuaded" into being owned.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Pam S.
I am working on him now!
Bridget - 09 Jun 2004 21:49 GMT
>>>I followed the whole business last year with Tak and how he was
>>>"persuaded" into being owned.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I am working on him now!

Oh h*ll add me to the list.

Tak, I remember when you brought Betty home last year you talked about
her personality and how personable she was and easy to get along with
and how quickly she came out of her shell and how laid back she was.
Weeeelllll, those are all things you look for in a cat to see if they
would take another cat being in their space.  And the general rule of
thumb is that it does work better with kittens than older cats because
the established cat, Betty, is the dominant cat and the kitten will be
the non-dominant one and won't challenge her until way after they have
become acquainted.  They may not become best of friends until the kitten
is closer to adulthood, but most young cats can't stand to see a kitten
playing without wanting to get involved themselves.  It is just too much
of a temptation.  And kittens will play with anything, thus drawing the
cat in whether they want to or not.

And the bonus, you get to have a kitten in the house.  You think having
Betty around in endearing and adoring and beautiful, just wait 'til you
try a kitten on for size.  Kitten fever will never mean the same thing
again.

My recommendation, for the record, is that you get a male kitten
(usually opposite sexes work best - so it is said anyway, I've got two
of the same sex (both male) and they are pretty much inseparable) that
is 3-5 months old.  And, please, Tak, the sooner the better.  You know
we aren't going to leave you alone about this until you do the bidding
of our masters.  Besides, this IS kitten season and if you delay too
long, it will be hard to find the perfect kitten to go with Betty.

Bridget - nope, my cats know no shame
Victor Martinez - 05 Jun 2004 22:53 GMT
Tak, I share your feelings completely! I know our cats very well, but I
still smile when I see them adopt certain poses, or yowl asking for
scritches, or sit there waiting to be fed... they truly are wonderful
creatures.

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Gandalf - 09 Jun 2004 04:57 GMT
>Is there ever a point when you finally get used to your cat?  I've had
>Betty for over a year now, and I haven't gotten used to it.
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>in a sky made of gold.  I don't know if I'll ever get used to having a
>cat.
Most eloquently put. My compliments.

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Susan M - 09 Jun 2004 06:13 GMT
Hi Tak:

I know what you mean about the constant wonder of sharing your life with
cats.  Every time we see the cats we are struck by their beauty and catness.
Chester radiates angel vibes and Otis radiates regal siamese hunting vibes.
Just a couple of days ago I heard my husband come out of the garage when he
spotted Chester.  He said, "Chhhhhhhhesssssssterrrrrrrrrrrrr" in an exicted
loving tone of voice, like we always do when we see him.  He rewards us with
back arches and wheelies and rubs and total excitement.  I wondered what the
neighbours made of a grown 40 something male gushing like that ...

... as for the two cats, two can be great.  I've told you before that we
picked out Chester by watching his reaction to the cats called "must be
single cats".  He just yawned when they hissed at him.  Maybe you could try
a similar approach to make sure that your new kitty wouldn't be bummed if
Betty tried to assert herself?  Just an idea.  You're lucky that you can
make the leap to another one - there are so many possibilities :-)  Going
from 2 to 3 will never happen to us.  Between my son's allergies and the
fact that our cats are indoor/outdoor and we can't inflict any more cats on
our slightly disapproving neighbours, two lovely cats it remains.  Not that
I can handle more than two right now, its just that there are so many
beautiful loving cats out there and so little time ...

Take care,

Susan M
Otis and Chester

> Is there ever a point when you finally get used to your cat?  I've had
> Betty for over a year now, and I haven't gotten used to it.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> in a sky made of gold.  I don't know if I'll ever get used to having a
> cat.
Takayuki - 09 Jun 2004 18:20 GMT
>Hi Tak:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>back arches and wheelies and rubs and total excitement.  I wondered what the
>neighbours made of a grown 40 something male gushing like that ...

Your cats sound so wonderful.  I have considered what you've told me
before about Chester.  I think that the ideal companion for Betty
would have a patient, mature disposition, like your Chester, Marina's
Frank, Mary's Mimi, or Pam's QC.
Susan M - 10 Jun 2004 04:34 GMT
> Your cats sound so wonderful.  I have considered what you've told me
> before about Chester.  I think that the ideal companion for Betty
> would have a patient, mature disposition, like your Chester, Marina's
> Frank, Mary's Mimi, or Pam's QC.

I have another theory as well Tak ... though I know not of what I speak.  We
adopted our cats as slightly older kittens so we could tell a bit more about
their personalities - not on purpose but it just sort of worked out this
way.  Otis was 3.5 months old and Chester was 4 months old.  Never having
had little kittens before, I don't know if you can tell tons about their
personalities or not??????  Anyway, Chester's true colours were certainly
showing at 4 months.  I love boy cats too.  Less complicated than the
females :D

Susan M
Shameless pusher of additional cats
Victor Martinez - 10 Jun 2004 14:25 GMT
> way.  Otis was 3.5 months old and Chester was 4 months old.  Never having
> had little kittens before, I don't know if you can tell tons about their
> personalities or not??????  Anyway, Chester's true colours were certainly

Oh yes... the reason why Fez was immediately picked up from the litter
was that he looked at me, got up, came towards me and gave a little
meow. :) I knew he was an outgoing critter with plenty of charm. Rufous
was the chubbiest of the bunch and he turned out to be a sweetheart.
They were only 4 or 5 weeks old, but their personalities were already
pretty defined, at least a rough cut anyway.

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hpickering@austin.rr.com - 10 Jun 2004 13:08 GMT
<snip>
Here is another reason to get another cat.
Cold Winter nights.
You will have two furry hot water bottles to keep you warm.
 
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