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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / June 2004Ugh! (GW)
Now the light mornings are well and truly upon us, I am woken ever earlier by three felines demanding to be allowed out into the garden at times when any civilised being should be tucked up in bed snoring... At five this morning, already daylight outside, I was forcibly dragged away from the Land Of Nod to open the door to the garden to let the clowder out. I left the door ajar so they could come and go. At seven this morning, when I awoke properly, I stumbled downstairs to be greeted by.... Marble at the foot of the stairs gnawing on the hindquarters of a rabbit. He'd already munched his way through the rest of it. The carpet is a bloody mess, awash with entrails. Do I need this??? Do I??? And *before* breakfast!!! When I am forced to visit the great white telephone in the bathroom. BAH! Cats - who'd have them ;-) Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- GAH! > Now the light mornings are well and truly upon us, I am woken ever earlier by > three felines demanding to be allowed out into the garden at times when any [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Cheers, helen s Nope, not letting these kitties out. If I was undecided before (they wouldn't survive 12 minutes out there with the foxes and hawks and coyotes - they can't even kill an indoor mouse!) I am convinced now. Indoor kitties. Yup yup yup. TBird <--- whose last outdoor cat loved bringing home dead mice, and once brought in a live chipmunk that lived under the recliner for 3 days until we chased it back out >Nope, not letting these kitties out. If I was undecided before (they >wouldn't survive 12 minutes out there with the foxes and hawks and coyotes - Thankfully in the UK, foxes aren't bothered about cats, hawks aren't and we don't have coyotes :-) Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- > >Nope, not letting these kitties out. If I was undecided before (they > >wouldn't survive 12 minutes out there with the foxes and hawks and coyotes - > > Thankfully in the UK, foxes aren't bothered about cats, hawks aren't and we > don't have coyotes :-) But you DO have many, many foxes. Ever seen a fox kill a pupdog or cat? I did when I lived in Scotland. Not sure about badgers and such - are they agressive?  SignatureThe One-and-only Holy Moses? >But you DO have many, many foxes. Ever seen a fox kill a pupdog or cat? I >did when I lived in Scotland. Not sure about badgers and such - are they >agressive? We have some foxes. Actually you tend to get more urban foxes than rural foxes in many areas these days. Foxes & cats round here tend to keep apart - they go after different prey for a start and I keep the cats in of a nightime, which is when any foxes would be active. Badgers & cats keep apart too. A badger will only turn aggressive if cornered - otherwise they are fine. And the cats aren't stupid. Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- >Badgers & cats keep apart too. A badger will only turn aggressive if >cornered - otherwise they are fine. And the cats aren't stupid. I agree. I don't think even the dumbest cat would mess with a badger. They're hell on wheels when they feel threatened. I sure wouldn't mess with one when he wasn't in a good mood. Sherry >>Badgers & cats keep apart too. A badger will only turn aggressive if >>cornered - otherwise they are fine. And the cats aren't stupid. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Sherry Heh, heh, you've obviously met me then! Helen Wheels >>Badgers & cats keep apart too. A badger will only turn aggressive if >>cornered - otherwise they are fine. And the cats aren't stupid. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Sherry That's the reason that dachshunds are so feisty. They were bred to go down into a badger hole and bring out the badger. Nan >That's the reason that dachshunds are so feisty. They were bred to go >down into a badger hole and bring out the badger. > >Nan Yeah, and as far as dogs with jobs, they drew a pretty sucky one, IMO. Collies and Shepherds get to chase livestock, Dobies and Rotts get to scare people. Labs get to swim out to get ducks. Dachshunds get to crawl in a hole and pull out a snarling ball of teeth and claws. Sherry I guess some doxies are better at that than others. One night we were camping out in the Ozark Mountains when a badger tried to get in our tent. Mac barked once, then crawled under my sleeping bag. >>That's the reason that dachshunds are so feisty. They were bred to go >>down into a badger hole and bring out the badger. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sherry Signature"No, I could sleep, but I must not; death is too near; he must not steal up on me. These fifteen years I have been making ready for him; I will meet him awake." Maria Theresa When Clinton lied, no one died. >I guess some doxies are better at that than others. One night we were >camping out in the Ozark Mountains when a badger tried to get in our >tent. Mac barked once, then crawled under my sleeping bag. He was just checking your burrow for badgers, I'm sure. Sherry >>That's the reason that dachshunds are so feisty. They were bred to >>go down into a badger hole and bring out the badger. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >get to crawl in a hole and pull out a snarling ball of teeth and >claws. I have always wondered about that. Dachshunds can be feisty, but, judging from badgers' reputations, the dachshunds might be outmatched in an actual fight. When they were being used to force badgers out of their lairs so that the human hunters could shoot the badgers, would the dachshunds actually fight the badgers, or did they scare the badgers out by sheer noise? SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >I have always wondered about that. Dachshunds can be feisty, but, >judging from badgers' reputations, the dachshunds might be outmatched >in an actual fight. When they were being used to force badgers out >of their lairs so that the human hunters could shoot the badgers, >would the dachshunds actually fight the badgers, or did they scare >the badgers out by sheer noise? http://www.almosthomerescue.org/about_dach/history.htm tells about the history of dachshunds. According to this dachshunds were much bigger then, 30 to 40 pounds, and they were trained to kill the badger. Nan. >>I have always wondered about that. Dachshunds can be feisty, but, >>judging from badgers' reputations, the dachshunds might be outmatched [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Nan. Thanks for posting the link ;-) We had a couple great dachshunds when I was growing up, and they were great dogs. I didn't realise they used to be so much bigger. -mini rant- The last paragraph in the article makes me both sad and mad: "Dachshunds are almost always in the AKC Top Ten most popular breeds. This is a mixed blessing. The more popular a breed - especially a small breed - the more likely it is that it will be bred in puppy mills." I don't remember who is was, but someone here recently said something about how they don't see puppies and kittens in petstores - sure wish that were true eveywhere. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html >>>I have always wondered about that. Dachshunds can be feisty, but, >>>judging from badgers' reputations, the dachshunds might be outmatched [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >something about how they don't see puppies and kittens in petstores - >sure wish that were true eveywhere. You're welcome. This is the longest that I've been without a dachshund in about 40 years. I've got a yellow lab now and 9 feline owners, but I MISS my dachshunds. I agree about the puppy mills. Most of the so-called breeders who sell to pet stores are nothing but puppy mills, and the conditions in most of them are horrendous. Nan >You're welcome. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Nan True. Even if they aren't puppy mills by definition, the dogs are still merchandise and live in awful conditions. Poor things. I love Doxies. I complained plenty about Happy's all-around goofiness, but he sure had personality. They all do. Sherry > The last paragraph in the article makes me both sad and mad: > "Dachshunds are almost always in the AKC Top Ten most popular breeds. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > something about how they don't see puppies and kittens in petstores - > sure wish that were true eveywhere. That was me. I think it must be illegal here in Finland to sell live cats and dogs in petstores. Although, last time I visited a petstore, there was a dog there, but he wasn't for sale, he belonged to the girl behind the counter. Very friendly guy. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki When I was a boy one of my neighbors had a standard doxie. It probably weighed 30-40 lbs. I haven't seen another since; the current crop seem all to be the miniature, up to 11 lbs. Larger that that they are called tweeny wieneys. Mac, Chuckles, and Toby fall into that category. Mac and Toby weigh about 23 lbs. each, Chuckles about 15. >>>I have always wondered about that. Dachshunds can be feisty, but, >>>judging from badgers' reputations, the dachshunds might be outmatched [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > something about how they don't see puppies and kittens in petstores - > sure wish that were true eveywhere. Signature"No, I could sleep, but I must not; death is too near; he must not steal up on me. These fifteen years I have been making ready for him; I will meet him awake." Maria Theresa When Clinton lied, no one died. > >Nope, not letting these kitties out. If I was undecided before (they > >wouldn't survive 12 minutes out there with the foxes and hawks and coyotes - [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Cheers, helen s I've had outdoor cats who could handle it. Franny was a huntress supreme, and had lots of savvy. Nothing was going to catch her, and she was in charge. Sweetie and Joe, not so much. They just don't have the entire savvy thing going on, not a clue as to how to catch and kill a mouse, and I can easily see Sweetie standing out in the open to get a better look at a hawk as it swoops down to grab her and carry her off. I was going to let Joe be a barn cat...but yeesh! I'm not actually convinced anymore that he IS a cat. More like a sloth/labrador mix that purrs. I don't believe he's smart enough to run from a coyote, and he's certainly not capable of getting to high ground, poor fuzzy thing. So inside cats they are, and shall stay. Silly pampered things. TBird <--- :-) On 03 June, Helen wrote: ---------------------<snip>---------------------- >Marble at the foot of the stairs gnawing on the hindquarters of a rabbit. He'd >already munched his way through the rest of it. The carpet is a bloody mess, >awash with entrails. Doesn't it make you proud though? After all, it's not every cat that can or wants to bring down a rabbit. My wife's cat, whom I have mentioned here, Puss Puss, is the only one I've met personally who did this. >Do I need this??? Do I??? And *before* breakfast!!! When I am forced to visit >the great white telephone in the bathroom. Perhaps this was his way of inviting you to breakfast. It's a good thing you got there when you did, or it should have been all gone. >BAH! Cats - who'd have them ;-) Good question! >Cheers, helen s Regards and Purrs, O J > Doesn't it make you proud though? After all, it's not every cat >that can or wants to bring down a rabbit. My wife's cat, whom I have >mentioned here, Puss Puss, is the only one I've met personally who did >this. Now you know two others. Marble - as per this morning's offering and also Waffles, who has cleared a six-foot fence with a rabbit clamped between her jaws, as witnessed by my then neighbour, who knocked on my door to say "If I hadn't off seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it.." > Perhaps this was his way of inviting you to breakfast. It's a >good thing you got there when you did, or it should have been all >gone. I'll take your word for it ;-) Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- >> Doesn't it make you proud though? After all, it's not every cat >> that can or wants to bring down a rabbit. My wife's cat, whom I have [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > my door to say "If I hadn't off seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't > have believed it.." I can add another to the list, Muddy, fearless killer of the Easter Bunny (disembowled rabbit on the bathroom floor on Easter Sunday :-) SignatureNik Simpson >I can add another to the list, Muddy, fearless killer of the Easter Bunny >(disembowled rabbit on the bathroom floor on Easter Sunday :-) That is too..., well it is too a lot of things. Were there children involved? I certainly hope not. Regards and Purrs, O J >> I can add another to the list, Muddy, fearless killer of the Easter >> Bunny (disembowled rabbit on the bathroom floor on Easter Sunday :-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That is too..., well it is too a lot of things. Were there > children involved? I certainly hope not. No, fortunately no children involved, he's never taken down anything bigger than a rabbit :-) SignatureNik Simpson >No, fortunately no children involved, he's never taken down anything bigger >than a rabbit :-) Waffles has delusions of grandeur and has gone after a deer... she managed to chase it up the field at the back of the house. Thankfully she didn't manage to catch it and drag it home through the cat flap. The fact she's a one-eyed, six-pound cat does not adversely affect her ego. I dread the day she realises someone in the village keeps ostriches... Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- >>> I can add another to the list, Muddy, fearless killer of the Easter >>> Bunny (disembowled rabbit on the bathroom floor on Easter Sunday :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No, fortunately no children involved, he's never taken down anything > bigger than a rabbit :-) It's a good thing I'm not drinking anything right now. I'm at some friends' house and would have destroyed *their* keyboard!! :) Joyce > > O J wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Joyce You just never know on this group when it is actually safe to have something to eat or drink while you browse. Those BW are nice, but somehow they just don't get everywhere they are supposed to be. For the record, I literally snorted and was very glad not to be imbibing anything liquid at the time either. Bridget > >> I can add another to the list, Muddy, fearless killer of the Easter > >> Bunny (disembowled rabbit on the bathroom floor on Easter Sunday :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No, fortunately no children involved, he's never taken down anything bigger > than a rabbit :-) LOL > >> Doesn't it make you proud though? After all, it's not every cat > >> that can or wants to bring down a rabbit. My wife's cat, whom I have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I can add another to the list, Muddy, fearless killer of the Easter Bunny > (disembowled rabbit on the bathroom floor on Easter Sunday :-) Hmm, Cav showed no signs of being a hunter until last weekend, when, confronted by an empty food bowl, he went outside and returned within minutes with a freshly killed large frog. Which he promptly put next to his food bowl as a hint. I think he was requesting a trade, so we fed him :) I'm still not 100% sure that Cav killed it though, as Ripley was around at the time. Jeanette >>>> Doesn't it make you proud though? After all, it's not every >>>> cat that can or wants to bring down a rabbit. My wife's cat, whom [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > to his food bowl as a hint. I think he was requesting a trade, so we > fed him :) All my cats have had a taste for reptiles. Back in England, Eliza managed to find a Slowworm and bring it home, I also woke up one morning to find a frog in her water bowl, I doubt very much that it got there on its own! Now down in here in Florida, Lizards are the catch of the day, though they also bring in young frogs at regular intervals. They've learned well with lizards, the first time the caught one and it dropped its tail they were completely dumbfounded and I had three cats surrounding the still wriggling tail why its previous owner legged it over the horizon whistling Dixie :-) SignatureNik Simpson >>>>> Doesn't it make you proud though? After all, it's not every >>>>> cat that can or wants to bring down a rabbit. My wife's cat, whom [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >surrounding the still wriggling tail why its previous owner legged it over >the horizon whistling Dixie :-) It's when something like that happens that Stinky always turns to me and seems to say "What happened, Mommy?" like I could actually help him, the poor little goof. ;) It's when the hunting instinct meets their attachment to us, that always blows me away. Stinky could be in full butt-twitching, teeth-chattering stalking mode, but if I walk by him, his tail always just automatically goes straight up into the air in greeting. "I'm busy, Mommy, but hi!" Theresa My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ > >>>> Doesn't it make you proud though? After all, it's not every > >>>> cat that can or wants to bring down a rabbit. My wife's cat, whom [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > surrounding the still wriggling tail why its previous owner legged it over > the horizon whistling Dixie :-) That happened the first time Vino caught a lizard as well. The tail fell off and Vino was so excited, he kept attacking the tail, then seeing the lizard trying to get away and attacking it, then seeing the tail moving so dropping the lizard to chase the tail, etc... After a while the tail stopped moving and he focused more on the lizard. When that stopped moving, he got bored and walked off. Since then, he's caught many lizards and I'd say he eats them about 50% of the time. Sometimes he barfs them back up though :-( -- Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album "Jeanette" <vertgyn@hotmail.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Ugh! (GW): >Hmm, Cav showed no signs of being a hunter until last weekend, when, >confronted by an empty food bowl, he went outside and returned within >minutes with a freshly killed large frog. Which he promptly put next to his >food bowl as a hint. I think he was requesting a trade, so we fed him :) Sounds like pretty clear communications. :-) >I'm still not 100% sure that Cav killed it though, as Ripley was around at >the time. Cats can team up when they see an advantage in doing so. :-) Signature"Don't mess with major appliances unless you know what you are doing (or unless your life insurance policy is up-to-date)." - John, RCFL > > Doesn't it make you proud though? After all, it's not every cat > >that can or wants to bring down a rabbit. My wife's cat, whom I have [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > jaws, as witnessed by my then neighbour, who knocked on my door to say "If I > hadn't off seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it.." If baby hares count, then Nikki is in this club, too. The baby hare was the same size as Nikki. While this was the one thing that she has ever brought home that disgusted me completely (don't mind the voles and shrews at all, birds make me sad but are very rarely her prey), I did feel a little proud somewhere at the back of my mind that she had managed to catch it. She was completely exhausted when she had brought it home. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki >If baby hares count, then Nikki is in this club, too. The baby hare was the >same size as Nikki. Unfortunately, it's BDTD here, too. You all probably remember Jacky. He brought what I thought was his fuzzy gray mouse, dropped it at my feet, and meowed. I dutifully bent down to pick it up and throw it, and realized when I saw one, unblinking eye staring at me, it was a rabbit head with the ears chewed off. Sherry >Now the light mornings are well and truly upon us, I am woken ever earlier by >three felines demanding to be allowed out into the garden at times when any [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >BAH! Cats - who'd have them ;-) Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew! I'm glad it was you and not me, 'cause I would probably have added to the mess on the carpet. Nan >Cheers, helen s > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >--Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- > Now the light mornings are well and truly upon us, I am woken ever earlier by > three felines demanding to be allowed out into the garden at times when any [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Cheers, helen s I can't imagine our tubby twosome bringing down a bunny. You must grow small rabbits accross the pond. Our local bunny must be at least twelve pounds and lightning fast. Cali is an avid hunter, having survived outside for a time, but she is a small kitty being a Calico. Not too mention a pound or two past her prime. We used to have a Tom who killed chickens, until the farmer posioned the poor thing. > I can't imagine our tubby twosome bringing down a bunny. You must grow > small rabbits accross the pond. Our local bunny must be at least > twelve pounds and lightning fast. Well, Muddy's success was with a baby rabbit, but in his prime he was about 15LB and I suspect that had the opportunity arisen he could have done the deed! Look at animals like Leopards, they are capable of taking down prey that is considerably larger than they are. SignatureNik Simpson > > I can't imagine our tubby twosome bringing down a bunny. You must grow > > small rabbits accross the pond. Our local bunny must be at least [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > deed! Look at animals like Leopards, they are capable of taking down prey > that is considerably larger than they are. Cali, would certainly be more than willing to try, but her fighting weight is about 7 pounds. I've seen our local female Manx give a small coon second thoughts though. They're a well built cat, nice personality too. It was just a kitty version of a smorgasbord! And they were so thoughtful saving you the trouble of opening cans! ;-D -- CATherine > Marble at the foot of the stairs gnawing on the hindquarters of a rabbit. He'd > already munched his way through the rest of it. The carpet is a bloody mess, > awash with entrails. Just be grateful that Marble decided to eat the Rabbit and not bring you breakfast in bed! ;o) BTW - Can you email me off-list please? leopardusweidii - at - yahoo.co.uk Helen M -- |
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