> Whew! I'm glad to hear it was a miscommunication. Now all we need to
> do is convince her to keep the kittens with mom for 12 weeks and
> we're all set... :)
> > Whew! I'm glad to hear it was a miscommunication. Now all we need to
> > do is convince her to keep the kittens with mom for 12 weeks and
> > we're all set... :)
>
> Indeed. I used to hear "6 weeks" all the time but even I who have never had
> a kitten know it's better to keep them with mama longer :)
Sure - mama really DOES train them, and needs time to do so - including
things like using the litterbox! I always thought that was an urban
legend, until I had a mother cat who did. My apartment was one of the
"railway" style (a string of rooms, one behind the other) and she and
her kittens were in the rearmost room. In those days, I kept the
litterbox on a balcony overlooking the street, off of my front room. I
was sitting reading, when I heard her chattering to them, and she seemed
to be coming closer. Pretty soon, there was Judy, herding the two
kittens before her. She took them to the balcony, down the steps to the
litterbox, and stood over them, talking all the while, while they both
USED it! She was so obviously explaining everything to them as they
went, that I have never again questioned that cats DO communicate with
each other - even rather abstract concepts like the mechanics and
etiquette of litterbox usage.
> Jill
Cheryl - 22 May 2004 00:51 GMT
> I
> was sitting reading, when I heard her chattering to them, and she seemed
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> USED it! She was so obviously explaining everything to them as they
> went,
That must have been incredibly cute! What a good mama. :)

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Marina - 22 May 2004 03:28 GMT
> Sure - mama really DOES train them, and needs time to do so - including
> things like using the litterbox! I always thought that was an urban
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> each other - even rather abstract concepts like the mechanics and
> etiquette of litterbox usage.
That is amazing. I once read an account of a hoomin who had watched a cat
mother teach her kittens to hunt. She lined up the kittens to watch while
she hunted this mouse she had brought in. One of the kittens tried to wander
off and play, but mother interrupted her demonstration, went and carried him
back by the scruff of his neck, set him down in the line, then resumed the
lesson.
I realise that this is what Nikki was trying to do those first summers at
the island, when she used to bring me live voles. Poor baby didn't manage to
teach me, but she did teach Frank to hunt. It only took ten years. ;o)

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Jean P Hobbs - 31 May 2004 11:52 GMT
Jill what a lovely little tail err, sorry tale, I always tell people
mama cats train their kitties some believe, some look at you
as though you have a screw loose. Jean.P.
> > > Whew! I'm glad to hear it was a miscommunication. Now all we need to
> > > do is convince her to keep the kittens with mom for 12 weeks and
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>
> > Jill
Yoj - 31 May 2004 18:46 GMT
Not only to mama cats train their kitties, but cats can train each
other. Many years ago, Pyewacket (RB) was caught when the automatic
garage door closed. I still don't understand why he wasn't hurt. He
was trapped between the side of the door and the wall. When I looked
later, there was less than an inch between, but somehow he escaped
without injury. However, he obviously had a fright (almost as bad as
mine), and he taught the other cats to run the other direction if they
heard the hum of the garage door closer. That warning was obviously
passed down to subsequent cats. Only within the last few months,
Skeeter has learned that the new closer will stop if anything goes
through the doorway as the door is closing. She apparently likes the
power, and will often deliberately go through while it's closing, just
to make it stop. So far it has continued to work, but I try to shoo her
away from the door before I close it. Up until she began playing
"chicken" with the door, every cat we've had since Pye's episode has run
from the sound of the door closing. That was obviously because Pye
passed on the story of his experience.
--
Joy
We must love them both - those whose opinions we share and those whose
opinions we reject. For both have labored in the Search for Truth and
both have helped us in the Finding of it.
- St. Thomas Aquinas
> Jill what a lovely little tail err, sorry tale, I always tell people
> mama cats train their kitties some believe, some look at you
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> >
> > > Jill
Jo Firey - 31 May 2004 21:45 GMT
Cats make good teachers. Our first cat taught our poodle puppy how to wash
her own face. Each poodle we've had since will dutifully lick its feet and
wash its face just like any ordinary cat would.
Jo
> Not only to mama cats train their kitties, but cats can train each
> other. Many years ago, Pyewacket (RB) was caught when the automatic
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> > >
> > > > Jill
Seanette Blaylock - 01 Jun 2004 01:50 GMT
"Jo Firey" <JAfirey@NETZERO.NET> had some very interesting things to
say about Re: kittens: false alarm! (UPDATE)jmcquown:
>Cats make good teachers. Our first cat taught our poodle puppy how to wash
>her own face. Each poodle we've had since will dutifully lick its feet and
>wash its face just like any ordinary cat would.
Got JPGs? :-)

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Jo Firey - 01 Jun 2004 04:57 GMT
> "Jo Firey" <JAfirey@NETZERO.NET> had some very interesting things to
> say about Re: kittens: false alarm! (UPDATE)jmcquown:
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>
> Got JPGs? :-)
Wish I did. Only dog left is too old and crippled to do it now. Its was
nice because poodles often have runny eyes.
And I really wish I could get a picture of our Siamese and Toy Poodle
"wrestling". Rolling around on the ground with front paws around each
others necks and all. The dog is toothless so I know she isn't hurting the
cat. (Besides the cat starts it) And I know the dog isn't getting hurt
because she would yelp like crazy if she got nipped or scratched.
The cat will walk up and sniff the dog. Who is usually sleeping. Then the
cat walks past the dog and kicks her with a back foot until he get a rise
out of her. The kitten watches all this in absolute dismay.
Jo