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Fuga :o\) - 17 May 2004 20:05 GMT I was wondering if anyone on the list here has ever tamed a feral/ semi-feral cat? And if they had some recommendations or guidelines for going about this?
Thanks.
Fuga
Jo Firey - 17 May 2004 21:08 GMT I've done it twice. Both cats were under a year old. Rules I gave the kids is you can put out food. If she's still around in a week, I'll take her for shots. It she is still around a week after that, I'll have her fixed. Then and only then is she you cat. (Now I'd be more inclined to go for shots and fixed at the same time if the cat were old enough. Both our ferals were much older that they looked at first glance) First guideline in the cat has to be willing. Any cat born in the great outdoors is by definition feral, but there are huge differences in degree. I'd personally never try to tame a tom that has been active for several years. I'd try to trap and have him altered. I'd provide food, etc. But there are so many willing kittens that may never get homes that I don't see the point with a fully adult feral
However. We had a plague of rabies here about 15 years ago. Unless someone were willing to pay for quarantine, all the feral cats in one area were destroyed. Many business had a semi resident, semi feral cat that they had fed and taken for shots and fixed and encouraged to hang around to deal with vermin. Old victorian building that had been remodeled next to a levee river area. Virtually all those cats were put into paid quarantine, and most of them taken home as household pets after it was over. The two I knew adapted very well. You just let them come to you as much as they are willing.
Neither of my ferals every became much of a lap cat, and one never learned how to purr.
Jo
> I was wondering if anyone on the list here has ever tamed a feral/ > semi-feral cat? And if they had some recommendations or guidelines for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fuga jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 May 2004 01:15 GMT > Neither of my ferals every became much of a lap cat, and one never > learned how to purr. I wonder if it's not so much that this cat never *learned* to purr, but that it stopped purring after weaning, or once separated from its mother, because that's kitten behavior, and as a feral, it wouldn't have any reason to continue acting like a kitten. Only domesticated cats continue behaving like kittens with their humans (as surrogate mothers). I'm not sure, though, whether purring is part of that behavior.
Joyce
Ginger-lyn Summer - 17 May 2004 22:30 GMT >I was wondering if anyone on the list here has ever tamed a feral/ >semi-feral cat? And if they had some recommendations or guidelines for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Fuga My Brando was a feral/semi-feral. I trapped him with a Hav-a-Heart trap, and then put him in a cage. I started out by feeding him caned food from a spoon, and then went to feeding him canned food from my fingers. It took him about a month to let me touch him, and another month before he purred. Once he was neutered and healed, I let him out of the cage, since he was essentially tamed by that point. Now, he is the most loving, sweet, lap cat I've ever known. He was probably about 2-3 years old when I first trapped him. So you *can* tame an adult, although I've read it isn't easy.
HTH,
Ginger-lyn
Annie Wxill - 17 May 2004 22:32 GMT > I was wondering if anyone on the list here has ever tamed a feral/ > semi-feral cat? And if they had some recommendations or guidelines for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fuga Rosie was wild and homeless from birth until I trapped her when was seven months old. Now she is the sweetest little purr machine you could ever find. You can see a picture of her, the way she looks now, at http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPLargeView?com=usUtil&awp=largeview3mbr.h tml&pict_id=18358889&index=1&album_id=1740469 or at RPCA_Pictures in Yahoo. Look in the Annie folder. Annie
Cheryl - 18 May 2004 00:23 GMT "Fuga :o\)" <fuga_@_canada.com> dumped this in news:A18qc.48828 $0qd.41721@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com on 17 May 2004:
> I was wondering if anyone on the list here has ever tamed a feral/ > semi-feral cat? And if they had some recommendations or guidelines for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fuga Bonnie is my little feral girl. She was trapped at around 4-5 months old (I think!!) just about a year ago now. She spent about 2 months mostly in a cage and then in a separate room where I spent time with her teaching her that I wasn't going to hurt her. I also had to spoon feed her in the beginning because she caught a URI in the clinic getting spayed. Either that or it was herpes virus. It took many many months before I could pet her without a welder glove on, and at first it was only with my foot. lol Each step closer to affection was a milestone and I'll never forget the first time she climbed on my lap to sit for the first time (it was at least 6-8 months for that). She is now very affectionate but I can't pick her up. She still runs if I walk across the room too fast. She still has never purred.
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Jeanette - 18 May 2004 00:37 GMT > "Fuga :o\)" <fuga_@_canada.com> dumped this in news:A18qc.48828 > $0qd.41721@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com on 17 May 2004: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > -- > Cheryl I never really knew Fenda's story, but when I got her she was a very timid eighteen month old rescue cat who hid behind the toilet for several days before coming out. She was either abused, or semi-feral. She was semi-longhaired, but was terrified of being touched, let alone groomed. Whenever I touched her, even a light touch, she would drool in fear. Sometimes she actually pissed herself, she was so scared of people. Picking her up was certainly possible, she didn't fight back, but she did attach herself firmly to the nearest solid surface, to avoid being dropped. When the nearest solid surface is your chest, or face, then you soon learn not to pick her up.
It actually took months of patience before she would sit next to us on the sofa, and years before the first time she came and crawled onto my lap, with a 'I'm not really doing this' expression on her face.
Once she'd done it the first time, she decided that she quite liked it, and over the years she became a lap cat. By the time she was thirteen she was one of the most trusting, lovable, affectionate little cats I've ever been privileged to know. How did we do it? We let her come round at her own pace, basically. It might not work for everyone though.
Jeanette (missing Fenda)
Cheryl - 18 May 2004 02:55 GMT > By the time she was thirteen she was > one of the most trusting, lovable, affectionate little cats I've ever > been privileged to know. How did we do it? We let her come round at > her own pace, basically. It might not work for everyone though. My sister did the same thing with a cat she adopted from someone who couldn't deal with a hiding cat. He was an adult, I don't know if he was feral at one time, but for several years he hid under her bed. He came out at night, and little by little he'd come out during the day when her and her family were up. She just pretty much ignored his hiding but when he approached her, she'd give him rubs and scritches. He always hid when there was company even 5-6 years later. Now he is very affectionate to those who are over all the time (my Mom LOVES him! and he, her) but I've still never seen him in when he's comfortable being out of hiding. I'm not over there often enough.
> Jeanette (missing Fenda)
:`)
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Julie Snowshoe - 18 May 2004 19:34 GMT >My sister did the same thing with a cat she adopted from someone who >couldn't deal with a hiding cat. He was an adult, I don't know if he was [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >not over there often enough. > Selena is a hider. She's lived with us almost 5 years and is just now beginning to really be comfortable with the family. As a matter of fact, the week that Jean mentioned Wilson had sat near her, Selena came up and sat on the couch with me. She had spent several weeks sitting on the table next to the couch and it seemed she was watching Hobbes and Lacey as they would come and sit near me. Finally one day she decided she wanted to sit next to me on the couch as well. The first time it happened she only stayed there about 5 minutes. Now she'll stay for several hours if she so desires.
Selena lived under the bed for almost 2 1/2 years, only coming out for food or the litter box. We decided to let her set whatever pace she wanted. She wasn't afraid of us. She would jump up onto the bed to be brushed or fed treats if we were in the bedroom and she will sleep with one or the other of us but never both of us at the same time. However, she is afraid of strangers and we have a reputation of raising a set of eyes (and now with Lacey in the family a pair of eyes) under our bed. Our family who comes in to feed them when we are out of town say they never see anything other than eyes. I've taught them to check the eyes for alertness to determine the well-being of the cats when they come in to feed. This past weekend, my in-laws spent the night with us one night and Lacey and Selena spent all night under the bed. Five minutes after my inlaws had left both cats came out from under the bed and were happy again.
I hate to think of what happened to the girls to cause this long-term reaction.
Julie, Hobbes, Selena and Lacey
Cheryl Perkins - 18 May 2004 19:55 GMT Betsy used to hide. She still does, although never with me and not quite so much with visitors. Now it's more a case of staying in the next room peering around the door rather than running upstairs and hiding under the bed in the back bedroom.
She'd been roaming the neighbourhood streets for several months. Some people had moved out of the province and just left her in the street. She kept trying to get back in the house, but the new tenants weren't interested. Some of the local kids sometimes fed her. When we got her to the vet, she was abou 6 months old, basically healthy, and had fallen or been hit hard enough to break the tip off one fang. At first, she wouldn't let me near her. Just the sound of someone arriving at the front door was enough to send her into hiding. (Mandy, OTOH, would race to the door in hopes of an outside adventure and an interesting visitor who might pet or feed her.) She very, very gradually became more friendly. At an early stage, I had to go out of town, and got a friend to come in and care for the cats. She got so worried because she never saw Betsy that she ransacked the house until she found her, just to make sure there really were two cats in the place.
Cheryl
Takayuki - 18 May 2004 22:14 GMT >I hate to think of what happened to the girls to cause this long-term >reaction. I liked the "raising a set of eyes" part. :) I think I know what happened to Lacey - she got pursued and caught, and had to bite someone to get away. :) Maybe Selena is just a scaredy cat. Hazel said that Dorrie has seen ceiling eagles all her life, and she's had her since she was a kitten. Wasn't Selena also wary of ceiling eagles?
Steve Touchstone - 18 May 2004 01:40 GMT >I was wondering if anyone on the list here has ever tamed a feral/ >semi-feral cat? And if they had some recommendations or guidelines for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Fuga Well, Rocky was a true feral. I wouldn't recommend my method of "taming" him though. When I first moved in here I put out food for an apartment complex cat, who visited various apartments on a rotating basis. Rocky found the food, and was a regular visitor for a couple years before he'd stick around while I filled the bowl, and a LONG time after that before he let me pet him.
A couple more years passed before I did the smart thing and took him to be neutered. Once he'd been neutered (TED estimated 8-10 years old at the time), it didn't take him very long, but I'd already been a regular part of his life for 4 or 5 years by then. A month or two after neutering he first purred, and not long after to decide to try out the hoomin lap. Still doesn't appreciate being picked up, more apt to jump down and run away than stick around.
I waited WAY to long before deciding to get him neutered.
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MaryL - 18 May 2004 01:52 GMT > I was wondering if anyone on the list here has ever tamed a feral/ > semi-feral cat? And if they had some recommendations or guidelines for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fuga My first cat was feral. I probably would not have considered a feral cat for my first if I had known anything about it -- but he eventually became a truly wonderful companion. It took a lot of time and patience, though. This was many years ago, and none of us had heard of TNR at that time. I knew I would be heading to graduate school several states away in a few weeks, and I wanted a companion. (If I had known better, that was actually another reason why "feral" was not the logical route to go.) I also heard that my neighbor planned to trap feral cats in the area and take them to the animal shelter (where they would be euthanized). I spoke to him, and he agreed to trap one for me. We simply accepted the first cat that we were able to trap -- there was no "selection" of a specific cat. The cat we trapped had long hair but had been running wild in a semi-rural area with lots of tall grasses. As a result, he was so badly matted that skin could be seen tightly stretched from one mat to another. Naturally, he was terrified of us.
I kept him in my bedroom until I left for graduate school. This meant that I was frequently in the room with him, but he kept his distance and did not let me touch him. (FYI: I now know that this is not the best way to introduce a feral cat, but I was "lucky" with my results.) I gradually got him to come closer to me by placing his food closer and closer to me over a period of time. Looking back on it, I would say that he permitted me to work on those mats in a remarkably short period of time.
It took about 2 years before we were truly "bonded." For a few years, I had to be careful not to walk quickly past him because he would grab my ankles (ouch!). Over a period of time, he became more and more a truly affectionate and loving cat -- so much so that he slept in bed with me and every time I would move, he would shift so that his body constantly was pressed up against my back or legs. We learned shortly after I adopted him that he had UTI, and the vet told me that he would not have lived much longer without treatment.
This cat eventually became one of the most wonderful cats I have ever known, and he was also gorgeous -- truly regal. The vet estimated that he was about 8 months old when I adopted him, which means that he lived to be almost 20. During that time, he adjusted remarkably well to leash training. Once he began to purr, it was a "monster purr" -- we used to call him a motor boat when he was purring because we could hear him purring clear across the room.
There are others on this group who can give you much better information concerning the best methods of working with feral cats. As I said, I knew so little that I really learned just by feeling my through the process. However, I thought this personal anecdotal history might give you some encouragement. I can certainly tell you from personal experience that it *simply is not true* when people say that feral cats cannot be trained or become household pets. It takes a lot more time and a lot more effort, but it definitely can be done (although I will not claim that it can be done with *every* cat).
To see a picture of him, go to the second link under my signature. Scroll about 2/3 of the way down. You will see a picture of Holly on the mantle. The next photo down shows Duffy relaxing on top of the hutch -- and in the hutch is a photo of the cat I have been describing. He was 18 years old at the time that picture was taken.
MaryL (take out the litter to reply)
Photos of Duffy and Holly: >'o'< http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly) http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in")
Takayuki - 18 May 2004 22:18 GMT >This cat eventually became one of the most wonderful cats I have ever known, >and he was also gorgeous -- truly regal. The vet estimated that he was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >motor boat when he was purring because we could hear him purring clear >across the room. What a wonderful story! 20 years - you were both very lucky the day you got him.
Ted Davis - 18 May 2004 02:46 GMT >I was wondering if anyone on the list here has ever tamed a feral/ >semi-feral cat? And if they had some recommendations or guidelines for >going about this? Many years ago - around 1980 - I spent several months feeding and trying to make friends with a feral calico that lived in my neighborhood. Eventually she got to the point where she would tolerate my presence while she ate, but would still run away if I touched her. As time passed, she had a litter of kittens, and I followed her one day to discover that they were under a neighbor's mobile home.
Then on July 4th - it had been raining for some days - she showed up on the front steps and meowed as if she wanted to come in. somewhat amazed, I opened the storm door and she came in. We had three cats at the time, so there was cat food, a water bowl, and litter pans. The feral checked out the facilities (our cats stayed out of sight) and demanded to be let back out.
A few minutes later, she came back, with a red tabby kitten in her mouth, came in, put the kitten behind the sofa, and went back out. She did this two more times, each time with a red tabby kitten. Then she lay down on the rug in front of the door and called her kittens, who promptly came out and nursed. She left and the went back behind the sofa. She came back a couple more times to nurse them, then was never seen again.
It took several months, but the kittens eventually got used to us and tamed down. They turned out to be reasonably good house cats, but they always preferred spending good weather outside.
BTW, they were all three females - female red tabbies (with tiny white lockets ranging from seven hairs on one to a fully visible spot).
T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body)
Steve Touchstone - 18 May 2004 22:20 GMT >>I was wondering if anyone on the list here has ever tamed a feral/ >>semi-feral cat? And if they had some recommendations or guidelines for [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body) Heartwarming story! Almost like she wanted to find better homes for her litter than what she knew she had to offer. ;-)
Too bad Mama couldn't be homed as well. ;-(
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Takayuki - 18 May 2004 22:20 GMT >Then on July 4th - it had been raining for some days - she showed up >on the front steps and meowed as if she wanted to come in. somewhat [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >the sofa. She came back a couple more times to nurse them, then was >never seen again. I guess she decided that she found her kids a good home. It doesn't sound like the sort of behavior you'd expect from a feral mom.
Ted Davis - 19 May 2004 01:28 GMT >I guess she decided that she found her kids a good home. It doesn't >sound like the sort of behavior you'd expect from a feral mom. She was totally wild when I started trying to make friends with her - it took months of bribing her with cat food before she would even stay around to eat with me sitting quietly a few feet away. Even then she was very wary and completely untouchable.
I think she got rained out where she had her nest and *had* to find a dry place for the kittens immediately - either that or she somehow new she wasn't going to be around to feed them. I think she understand that cat food was a Good Thing and that it came from the other side of the door. Perhaps she was not giving us the kittens so much as leaving them in a good - dry - hiding place near a steady supply of food and water. Ultimately it was futile: we had the kittens spayed.
T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body)
Christine Burel - 21 May 2004 13:41 GMT > I was wondering if anyone on the list here has ever tamed a feral/ > semi-feral cat? And if they had some recommendations or guidelines for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fuga Hey, Sharon, As you may recall, I went through the "taming of Tucker" last year and if you'd like to email me for support or advice I can try and offer some ideas or put you in touch with the wonderful person who mentored me through this experience! You can see Tucker at my yahoo page: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/cfbureltoo/lst?.dir=/My%20Photos&.src=ph&.order =&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/
Regards, Christine
polonca12000 - 21 May 2004 20:43 GMT What a gorgeous kitty! Best wishes,
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> You can see Tucker at my yahoo page: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/cfbureltoo/lst?.dir=/My%20Photos&.src=ph&.order =&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/
> Regards, > Christine
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