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Animal Cruelty Conviction
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JBHajos - 15 May 2004 14:17 GMT I live in what I've fondly dubbed the "Idiot State." A couple of years ago, it finally passed an anti-cruelty law for the animals. Most "punishments" have been the slap-on-the-wrist type. Yesterday, a fellow was sentenced to *prison* (not jail) for 18 months plus five years' probation. This was a *first* so it made the news. Yaaay! Maybe there's hope for the old state yet!!
Jeanne
Sherry - 15 May 2004 15:26 GMT >I live in what I've fondly dubbed the "Idiot State." A couple of >years ago, it finally passed an anti-cruelty law for the animals. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jeanne Oh, YAAAAAYY! That's so encouraging! Of all the abuse cases I have followed through, NOT ONE was sentenced to actually serve in prison. The sentences .I just had a bad wicked thought. I hope the defendant's roomie in prison is a really, really, big, really really tough animal lover.
Sherry
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 15 May 2004 19:58 GMT > I just had a bad wicked thought. I hope the defendant's roomie in > prison is a really, really, big, really really tough animal lover. Or just a really, really, big, really really tough animal! :)
Joyce
jmcquown - 15 May 2004 21:41 GMT > > I just had a bad wicked thought. I hope the defendant's roomie in > > prison is a really, really, big, really really tough animal lover. > > Or just a really, really, big, really really tough animal! :) > > Joyce Throw 'em to the lions! :)
Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 15 May 2004 22:50 GMT > >I live in what I've fondly dubbed the "Idiot State." A couple of > >years ago, it finally passed an anti-cruelty law for the animals. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > just had a bad wicked thought. I hope the defendant's roomie in prison is a > really, really, big, really really tough animal lover. Speaking of imprisoned animal lovers, has anyone watched the "Prison Dogs" series on Animal Planet? Really interesting, what lving with a dog and training it can do for "hard case" inmates. (And, since they train the dogs as assistants to the handicapped, it has a good effect for the dogs, too.)
> Sherry Steve Touchstone - 16 May 2004 04:10 GMT >Speaking of imprisoned animal lovers, has anyone watched the "Prison >Dogs" series on Animal Planet? Really interesting, what lving with a >dog and training it can do for "hard case" inmates. (And, since they >train the dogs as assistants to the handicapped, it has a good effect >for the dogs, too.) Regular viewing here. If I think I'm going to miss it it's one of the few things I tape
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Annie Wxill - 16 May 2004 17:25 GMT > Speaking of imprisoned animal lovers, has anyone watched the "Prison > Dogs" series on Animal Planet? Really interesting, what lving with a > dog and training it can do for "hard case" inmates. (And, since they > train the dogs as assistants to the handicapped, it has a good effect > for the dogs, too.) Sherry
I love that show. One of my favorite episodes was when the guy had the litter of puppies in his cell and they needed to be hand raised. It was fun to see how that man fussed over those babies. The dogs in that episode were being socialized for adoption at pets. Annie
Tanada - 16 May 2004 21:03 GMT > Speaking of imprisoned animal lovers, has anyone watched the "Prison > Dogs" series on Animal Planet? Really interesting, what lving with a > dog and training it can do for "hard case" inmates. (And, since they > train the dogs as assistants to the handicapped, it has a good effect > for the dogs, too.) Animal Planet is one of the few channels I miss since we had the cable turned off. We knew that we would be taking a major income decrease and turned off everything non-essential, the cable was one of the first things to go. We read a lot more now, and do more as a family, but there are times when I really miss Animal Planet, Discovery, History Channel, A & E (especially the Horatio Hornblower specials), TLC, Court TV, and so forth. I'm an information junkie.
Pam S.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 19 May 2004 04:32 GMT > > Speaking of imprisoned animal lovers, has anyone watched the "Prison > > Dogs" series on Animal Planet? Really interesting, what lving with a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Channel, A & E (especially the Horatio Hornblower specials), TLC, Court > TV, and so forth. I'm an information junkie. I have only the very "basic" cable (practically a "must" to see any television at all, with the foothills so close). Animal Planet, and the Orange County PBS channel (in addition to L.A. Schools and our local KCET) are about the only things worth watching. Even with full cable and a few "premium" channels, here in the San Fernando Valley, there isn't much on offer that I'd care enough to watch - so why pay for more than the bare minimum?
> Pam S. Norm - 15 May 2004 17:04 GMT > I live in what I've fondly dubbed the "Idiot State." A couple of > years ago, it finally passed an anti-cruelty law for the animals. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jeanne Yay! A few years ago, before I was watching rpca I think, I was summoned for jury duty and eventually was enpanelled on an animal cruelty case. When the lawyers were questioning me I allowed as I was a softy, carried chow in all my bike bags for cats I might find, rescued where I could etc. And I was not dismissed. The first things said to me in the jury room was, "I never expected to see you selected". The case wasn't easy - bad law, bad enforcement, incompentent rather than malicious defendent. Though I voted for the death penalty, the verdict was guilty anyway. Never heard what the sentence was.
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Yowie - 15 May 2004 23:33 GMT > I live in what I've fondly dubbed the "Idiot State." A couple of > years ago, it finally passed an anti-cruelty law for the animals. > Most "punishments" have been the slap-on-the-wrist type. Yesterday, a > fellow was sentenced to *prison* (not jail) for 18 months plus five > years' probation. This was a *first* so it made the news. Yaaay! > Maybe there's hope for the old state yet!! I'm glad that they are taking animal cruelty cases seriously, but pray tell, what is the difference between jail and prison? I thought they were just synonyms?
Yowie
CK - 15 May 2004 23:49 GMT >>I live in what I've fondly dubbed the "Idiot State." A couple of >>years ago, it finally passed an anti-cruelty law for the animals. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Yowie Wondering about the difference between jail and prison too, as my brick-sized English dictionary as well as my English-Finnish one have (practically) the same definition for both words?? Maybe it's a legal lingo thingy...
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Charleen Welton - 16 May 2004 00:19 GMT Jail is where a person goes before he/she has gone to court and is sentenced. Prison is where he/she goes to fill the term of the sentence. Believe me I do not know this from personal experience! My B-I-L is a police officer.
Charleen
> >>I live in what I've fondly dubbed the "Idiot State." A couple of > >>years ago, it finally passed an anti-cruelty law for the animals. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (practically) the same definition for both words?? Maybe it's a legal > lingo thingy... Yowie - 16 May 2004 00:27 GMT That would be the difference between "remand" and "jail" here. In "remand" (in the same complex as the jail itself) AFAIK, youc an wear your own clothes rather than prison uniform, and you do get various priveledges, since you haven't actually been found guilty yet.
You go to remand if you can't make the bail or the judge refuses bail, AFAIK, but otehrwise its just the same as regular prison/jail.
The police stations do have cells, but thats called "lock up" and you only stay there until you get your bail hearing (or sober up, hehehe), which is usually within a day or so.
Or, I could be mixing up the Australian system with the stuff I see on Law & Order. I am not particularly familiar with the judicial system (of any country!). Thankfully.
Yowie
> Jail is where a person goes before he/she has gone to court and is > sentenced. Prison is where he/she goes to fill the term of the sentence. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > Laku: DS B G 4.11 Y L W C+ I+++ T++/- A+ E H+ S+ V++ F Q+ P- B PA PL Steve Touchstone - 16 May 2004 00:24 GMT >> I'm glad that they are taking animal cruelty cases seriously, but pray tell, >> what is the difference between jail and prison? I thought they were just [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >(practically) the same definition for both words?? Maybe it's a legal >lingo thingy... Not an expert, but I think the main difference is the length of stay. As I understand things here in Oklahoma, under a year you're sentenced to the jail, over a year you're shipped off to prison. Don't know if you get any difference privileges in jail, but I imagine just having friends and relatives closer for visiting would make it more desirable.
The downside is that lots of the of the county jails, well prisons too, are overcrowded. The state inspectors threatened to close down our county jail several times in the past. Voters here passed a bond a couple years ago and we have a brand new jail opening up, and the county commissioners are now planning on seeing how much money they can charge other counties and the state to house their prisoners. (The state prisoners come back to stay in the county jail for appeals or when they have count appearances.)
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Sherry - 16 May 2004 03:51 GMT >I'm glad that they are taking animal cruelty cases seriously, but pray tell, >what is the difference between jail and prison? I thought they were just >synonyms? > >Yowie Each county has its own "jail"...a holding area of sorts during trials, and a place where short-term sentences are carried out. Usually for stuff like, hot checks, drunk driving, minor drug deals. It's pretty informal compared to prison. Usually the sentences are 30 days to less than 1 year. Then there's minimum-security prison, for not-so-violent offenders. Like tax evasion, embezzling, etc. Then there's The Big House, the penitentiary, where the really really hard-core, or repeat offenders end up, also where they carry out death sentences. I think there is only one or two prisons in this state, not counting the minimum-security prisons.
Sherry
jmcquown - 16 May 2004 11:35 GMT >> I live in what I've fondly dubbed the "Idiot State." A couple of >> years ago, it finally passed an anti-cruelty law for the animals. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Yowie Jail is "lockup" and is temporary. Means you haven't been sentenced to anything yet.
I live about 3 miles from three prisons - isn't that a comforting thought? One is County, one State, one Federal. The difference really is in the crime and the time. Also depends on where you were arrested. But everyone in Shelby County, TN who is arrested gets to spend time down at 201 Poplar... used to be known as the "Glamour Slammer" about 20 years ago. It was a state of the art building with the general courts on the main and second floor, superior courts upstairs. The downstairs levels housed the arrestees who had cable TV and private cells.
Not so anymore. Lately the entire thing is subject to investigation for abuse by the guards, etc.
Anyway, County is for minor offenders, like pot possession or for selling or receiving stolen goods. These offenses, in and of themselves, don't "hurt" anyone. Also the weekend time for first offense DUI's and things like that.
State is for more hardened criminals like repeat burglary, rape, assault. (The murderers usually get sent to Brushy Mountain.) It has extra barbed wire across the top of the fence. Those people scare me.
Federal... hmmm, I haven't figured that one out yet and hope I never will. I can assure you, there are no golf courses or tennis courts at this Federal prison. It may be filled with accountants and lawyers, but it's no walk in the park. They have barbed wire, too. But I suspect they eat better than at the other two prisons.
Prison is - well, prison. You're in a uniform - in my part of the States that would be grey with big letters stenciled on the back in yellow stating SCCS - Shelby County Correction System; i.e. you are a PRISONER. I see these folks picking up trash or doing cleanup along the road side occasionally. Sometimes even out there cutting the grass in the nearby public parks. Always with an escort, mind you.
Shelby Farms, in Memphis, TN used to be a literal working Penal Farm. The prisoners grew and raised their own vegetables. They ate what they reaped, reaped what they sowed. They raised chickens and had fresh eggs (not to mention fresh chicken). It was a self-sustaining institution.
About 30 years ago some bleeding heart decided it was a bad thing to make the prisoners go out in the hot Memphis sun in the fields and grow crops, or to milk cows, or to gather eggs or slaughter the chickens. The self-sustaining "farm" was shut down. Now, what the prisoners get to eat comes from those huge institutional sized cans. Dyed red hot dogs with canned "baked" beans. Salt & pepper are a 'commodity' which is traded and sold like it was gold. It's just plain stupid. But that is the way it is.
Jill
JBHajos - 16 May 2004 13:18 GMT >I'm glad that they are taking animal cruelty cases seriously, but pray tell, >what is the difference between jail and prison? I thought they were just >synonyms? Yes, here the jail is to hold persons awaiting bail or trial, or sentenced to short terms for misdemeanors. Prison is for violent offenders such as murderers, rapists, armed burglars, etc. Now animal cruelty is treated as a felony, not a misdemeanor, and the scumbag can get in with the *big* jerks!
Jeanne
Lucy's Mom - 16 May 2004 16:36 GMT ALL RIGHT!!!!! Maybe there is hope after all!!!! Personally, I think jail is too good for them... Let's do to them what they do to the helpless animals....
Kim and Lucy, who is glad her Meowmie is around for a change...
>I live in what I've fondly dubbed the "Idiot State." A couple of >years ago, it finally passed an anti-cruelty law for the animals. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jeanne
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