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Ear-notching!
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Zorin the Lynx - 15 May 2004 16:17 GMT Hey everyone.. this is just a small rant.
It turns out that some cat rescue groups around here cut a notch out of the tip of a kitty's ear to show the he or she has been neutered or spayed. While I'm all for neutering and spaying to reduce population, is this mutilation really necessary? I look at my kitty, with his pristine tufted eartips, and I can't imagine the horror of snipping any part of his ears off as a marker. It would make him look unbalanced, and he would lose one of those adorable eartufts that got him the name "Lynxie"!
I just wanted to find out if this practice is common across the country, and if anyone feels as negatively about it as I do. There has to be an alternate, non-disfiguring method of marking a kitty as neutered, no?
Feeling sorry for the kitties, -Zorin
Annie Wxill - 15 May 2004 16:40 GMT > Hey everyone.. this is just a small rant. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Feeling sorry for the kitties, > -Zorin If the cat is part of a feral colony, a lot of the cats probably look alike. When a cat with an ear notch is trapped, it is easily identified as having been spayed or neutered and saved an unnecessary, stressful, and expensive for the rescuer, trip to a vet. I love those little kitty ears, too, and wish there were some other way. I suppose if there is an alternate. highly visible, but not disfiguring way to identify those cats, the rescuers would be using it. Annie
jmcquown - 15 May 2004 17:25 GMT >> Hey everyone.. this is just a small rant. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > it. > Annie I would think a tiny little tatoo inside the ear would do just as well.
Jill
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 15 May 2004 17:50 GMT >I would think a tiny little tatoo inside the ear would do just as well. > >Jill The downside of that in relation to ferals is that you'd have to handle the animal to be able to see if it's tattooed. Many a feral can't (or won't) be handled. That may involve an otherwise unnecessary sedation to handle the animal - and that too carries risks. The advantage of the earclip is that it's *obvious* and if an already speyed/neutered animal is in a trap, it can be released without any handling if obviously identified as previously speyed/neutered, thus avoiding sedation in order to check. Plus - tattoos fade over time whereas the earclip doesn't. As the clip of the ear is done when the animal is under anaesthethic for speying/neutering, it's not an "extra" procedure as such. Personally, I don't see it as a mutilation, if it's something that genuinely adis those who are working with ferals to easily identify whihc cats in a colony have been speyed/neutered already.
Just my £0.02, and anyone can feel free to disagree :-)
Cheers, helen s
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~*Connie*~ - 15 May 2004 17:51 GMT > >> It turns out that some cat rescue groups around here cut a notch out > >> of the tip of a kitty's ear to show the he or she has been neutered [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Jill Most cats are too feral to look inside an ear once you catch them.. so you would have to sedate them to find out if they had the tattoo, and once you've done that, you might as well look under the tail or shave the belly to see if they have done it, and that is not only a waste of anesthesia, its not good for the cats.
Cats do not suffer when their ears are cut. My own cat got into a cat fight once and her ear was ripped, and she barely noticed it. It was tougher on me than on her.
Don & Lisa - 15 May 2004 18:18 GMT I trap ferals to take to a low cost spay/neuter clinic here, they notch all ferals. I have no problem with that at all. The females would have to be operated on to see that they have already been done. I would hate for them to go through that unnecessarily. Most of the males had ripped up ears already from fighting. Now they have one more notch, but don't fight enough to get anymore. Two of my ferals will let me pet them, another will let me pet him in a month or so, and yet another that would run at even a sight of a person, has been about 20 feet from me. Head butts to all, Lisa.
> > >> It turns out that some cat rescue groups around here cut a notch out > > >> of the tip of a kitty's ear to show the he or she has been neutered [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > once and her ear was ripped, and she barely noticed it. It was tougher on > me than on her. Marina - 15 May 2004 20:19 GMT > I trap ferals to take to a low cost spay/neuter clinic here, they notch all > ferals. I have no problem with that at all. The females would have to be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > pet him in a month or so, and yet another that would run at even a sight of > a person, has been about 20 feet from me. I was thinking that unneutered males probably have a lot of notches in their ears anyway from all the fights. Can the people see which are from fights and which are man-made? Nikki has a notch in her ear that I don't know where it came from. I came home one day from work and she had a little dried blood on the ear, and I cleaned it off and discovered that a small bit was missing. Must have been Frank, though I'm surprised, because he's so gentle with her usually. It's usually Frank who calls off a playfight by wailing pitifully. Maybe Nikki wouldn't back down that time, so he had to show her that he is, in fact, the bigger and stronger cat. Anyway, the notch healed at once and doesn't seem to bother her in the least. And Frank and Nikki still cuddle up together.
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 15 May 2004 20:20 GMT >I was thinking that unneutered males probably have a lot of notches in their >ears anyway from all the fights. Can the people see which are from fights >and which are man-made? The ones I've seen are where the entire top of the ear (a large tip, not the entire ear flap) is removed - it's *very* obvious it's not the result of a fight.
Cheers, helen s
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Karen Chuplis - 15 May 2004 20:44 GMT in article 20040515152042.13668.00000773@mb-m26.aol.com, dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers at wafflycathcs@aol.comcomcom wrote on 5/15/04 2:20 PM:
>> I was thinking that unneutered males probably have a lot of notches in their >> ears anyway from all the fights. Can the people see which are from fights [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- Yup
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 15 May 2004 20:20 GMT > Most of the males had ripped up ears > already from fighting. Now they have one more notch One question: how can you tell the difference between a tear from a fight and a notch from the vet? I'm sure that some fight tears must look similar.
Joyce
Don & Lisa - 15 May 2004 21:46 GMT The first feral I took, they cut the tip off, the other ones, they made a slit in the side. Very straight and precise. I asked why the change, they said that many older toms had the tip taken off in fights, and the slit looked more artificial, easier not to mistake. Lisa.
> > Most of the males had ripped up ears > > already from fighting. Now they have one more notch [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Joyce Cheryl - 17 May 2004 00:21 GMT "Don & Lisa" <ofbrat@flash.n> dumped this in news:Xkvpc.18754$iR3.8830 @newssvr31.news.prodigy.com on 15 May 2004:
> The first feral I took, they cut the tip off, the other ones, they made a > slit in the side. Very straight and precise. I asked why the change, they > said that many older toms had the tip taken off in fights, and the slit > looked more artificial, easier not to mistake. > Lisa. Plus with toms, its easier to tell if they've been neutered.
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m. L. Briggs - 15 May 2004 18:02 GMT >>> Hey everyone.. this is just a small rant. >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Jill can't see a tatoo from a distance. I understand this is a method of identifying ferals who have been neutered.
Steve Touchstone - 15 May 2004 18:30 GMT >> If the cat is part of a feral colony, a lot of the cats probably look >> alike. When a cat with an ear notch is trapped, it is easily [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Jill Might be a lot less stressfull for the cat to have an ear notched in the long run, though. The notched ear could easily be seen when the cat is trapped, and it could be released without any handling. I imagine they'd have to drag the cat out and restrain it to see a tattoo, which is not easy with a feral wildcat convinced you mean it harm. I imagine the feeders in a trap, neuter and release program could put out food, then sit back with binoculars and see if there are any new unneutered additions to the colony, avoiding the trap altogether.
Can't help but wish there was a some other way, though.
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Karen Chuplis - 15 May 2004 19:08 GMT >>> If the cat is part of a feral colony, a lot of the cats probably look >>> alike. When a cat with an ear notch is trapped, it is easily [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Can't help but wish there was a some other way, though. Who is it here that has a feral that got a BIG notch. I think it was this group. It seems the most expedient way to be able to identify a cat that does not need to be put under again if it gets trapped. It is very common if not the international signal of a feral neuter/spay.
Cheryl - 17 May 2004 00:25 GMT >>>> If the cat is part of a feral colony, a lot of the cats probably >>>> look alike. When a cat with an ear notch is trapped, it is easily [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > cat that does not need to be put under again if it gets trapped. It is > very common if not the international signal of a feral neuter/spay. Here's Bonnie's eartip http://community.webshots.com/photo/75552731/85148094ZMNdzs This one shows it as well http://community.webshots.com/photo/75552731/112572463UHnMUk
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Marina - 17 May 2004 03:52 GMT > Here's Bonnie's eartip > http://community.webshots.com/photo/75552731/85148094ZMNdzs > This one shows it as well > http://community.webshots.com/photo/75552731/112572463UHnMUk Awww. Apart from the missing eartip there, she looks so happy and healthy. Such a shiny coat and contented eyes. You've done well, Cheryl!
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Cheryl - 18 May 2004 00:12 GMT >> Here's Bonnie's eartip >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/75552731/85148094ZMNdzs [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > healthy. Such a shiny coat and contented eyes. You've done well, > Cheryl! Thanks Marina. I had tons of help. :)
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jmcquown - 15 May 2004 21:40 GMT >>> If the cat is part of a feral colony, a lot of the cats probably >>> look alike. When a cat with an ear notch is trapped, it is easily [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Can't help but wish there was a some other way, though. How about make 'em wear bright orange vests? :o)
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 15 May 2004 21:42 GMT >How about make 'em wear bright orange vests? :o) Would have to be bright green. Orange and you'd never tell with a ginger cat ;-)
Cheers, helen s
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moonglow minnow - 15 May 2004 21:49 GMT jmcquown howled at the moon, then scrawled thusly upon the aether:
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>> way. I suppose if there is an alternate. highly visible, but not >> disfiguring way to identify those cats, the rescuers would be using [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jill Eek! Nonononono. A tattoo inside a cat's ear, besides being very very very painful (all those nerves), would risk even worse disfigurement (think damage to the ear's support structures) than a notch in the ear. This is why ID tattoos (like those common in show rabbits) are *never* put in the ears of dogs or cats... instead, they're put on their belly skin (or nowhere at all, now that we have microchipping).
One of my babies has a notch (not from a rescue group, from a fight he got into) in his left ear from his "big bad tomcat" days, and he's really not any less handsome or cuddly for it. I *do* hope that the rescuers are taking precautions against infection, though.
Maeve
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 15 May 2004 22:59 GMT > >> Hey everyone.. this is just a small rant. > >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I would think a tiny little tatoo inside the ear would do just as well. That'd depend upon what color the cat is, wouldn't it?
> Jill Yowie - 15 May 2004 23:37 GMT > > Hey everyone.. this is just a small rant. > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > visible, but not disfiguring way to identify those cats, the rescuers would > be using it. Its cheap, quick and effective, and doesn't affect the cat's ability to survive as a feral (if you've seen any old tomcats around, you'll know they can survive quite well with disfigured ears!)
Possibly not the absolute *best* way of distinguishing which cats have been desexed, but its probably the most *effecient*, overall.
But yes, I love kitty ears too.
Yowie
Jo Firey - 15 May 2004 19:16 GMT It is a common practice when trying to manage a feral population. It saves having the same animal captured and hauled in to the vet to be fixed numerous times.
Jo
> Hey everyone.. this is just a small rant. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Feeling sorry for the kitties, > -Zorin Hopitus2 - 15 May 2004 20:07 GMT Aside 411 on notching: that's how lobster fishermen (under federal mandate to do so) identify females w/egg sacs - big notch in tail - before throwing them back into water, as it is illegal to include them in their catch. Now a lobster is not a cat for sure but one thing applies to both: easy sight identity for one reason or another w/o messing with the critter physically. Fast and efficient but briefly brutal.
: It is a common practice when trying to manage a feral population. It saves : having the same animal captured and hauled in to the vet to be fixed [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] : > Feeling sorry for the kitties, : > -Zorin Jeanette - 15 May 2004 23:50 GMT > : Jo > : > Hey everyone.. this is just a small rant. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > : > Feeling sorry for the kitties, > : > -Zorin If you can come up with a method that will not put a feral cat at risk by reducing it's fitness to hunt, escape predators, and get along with the rest of the colony, that is cheap enough to be within the budget of an organisation funded and run by unpaid volunteers, is permanent, and can be checked without actually needing to re-trap the cat, then please tell me about it.
Jeanette
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 15 May 2004 22:57 GMT > Hey everyone.. this is just a small rant. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and if anyone feels as negatively about it as I do. There has to be an > alternate, non-disfiguring method of marking a kitty as neutered, no? Since most unneutered males get into fights, and one of the most common resulting scars is a notched ear, how can they be sure whether it's a battle scar or a vet's notch-mark? (Short of examining the cat, which I gather the notching is supposed to make unnecessary?) I don't suppose it's any more painful than humans having their ears pierced, and probably no more noticeable unless you're looking for it, but there must be a mnore reliable means of identification.
Jo Firey - 16 May 2004 03:31 GMT > > Hey everyone.. this is just a small rant. > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > probably no more noticeable unless you're looking for it, but there must > be a mnore reliable means of identification. Not one that is reliable with out having to retrap the cat. A surgical notch would usually be easy to distinguish from a ragged fight tear.
Jo
Cheryl - 17 May 2004 00:18 GMT > Hey everyone.. this is just a small rant. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Feeling sorry for the kitties, > -Zorin My Bonnie is ear-tipped. She never indicated that it hurt while healing, but then again, she was spayed at the same time, and the sutures they use for spaying have some pain killer in them. FWIW, I never saw any blood on her ear. In our area, only ferals are tipped, and when Bonnie was trapped I had no idea what to do with her, and never imagined I'd be keeping her.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 19 May 2004 04:39 GMT > > Hey everyone.. this is just a small rant. > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > was trapped I had no idea what to do with her, and never imagined I'd be > keeping her. FWIW, many cats in ancient Egypt used to wear earrings - I don't imagine the tissue of a cat's ears is any more sensitive to pain than that of ours, it's just their hearing that's keener.
Flippy - 17 May 2004 05:22 GMT > Hey everyone.. this is just a small rant. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Feeling sorry for the kitties, > -Zorin We have our cats tattooed. Highly visible, yet not disfiguring.
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