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Thoughts on Rob's retirement OT (severely)

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Tanada - 17 Sep 2003 04:46 GMT
Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.  It seems
strange to know that we won't have the same life that we were used to.
True, this last year has been different than before, but there was still
the thought that Rob was in the military.  

No more field problems with Rob coming home, hot, tired, dusty, muddy,
happy, irritated or complaining about whatever went wrong.  

No more family support group meetings with women who understood when I
said something like, "I need to get the wash machine fixed before Rob
goes TDY next week, or it will break down."  

No more Christmas, Easter, Halloween, Organization day parties/picnics.
No more overcooked hamburgers or half cooked chicken that is almost gone
anyway by the stampede of single soldiers forcing their way in line
anyway.

No more 4 am wake ups to take Rob to work because one of our vehicles is
on the fritz.

No more picking Rob up from work at 11 pm because some test pilot
decided that he was bored and wanted to test fly at 6 pm.

No more Christmases, birthdays, anniversaries, and other holidays with
him halfway around the world from us.

No more single parenthood.

No more loads of olive underwear, chameleon (camouflage) uniforms,
Lizard (flight) suits, or brown T-shirts.

No more worrying that he'll be caught in a helicopter crash, die
traveling between home or work, or that he'll be deployed and I won't
get to say good-bye.

No more complaints about his job, hours, cold feet, wet feet, lights on
at weird hours, or any of the other complaints I used to have abut his
work.  

So why in the h*ll am I so sad?

Pam S.
Karen Chuplis - 17 Sep 2003 04:52 GMT
> Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.  It seems
> strange to know that we won't have the same life that we were used to.
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>
> Pam S.

Because it *was* your way of life for a long time, since you met Rob and it
is a society unto its own. But we will still be here :)

Karen
Mike P - 17 Sep 2003 04:56 GMT
> Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.  It seems
> strange to know that we won't have the same life that we were used to.
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> Pam S.

Because it was a way of life that you two lead for many years. Don't let
anyone try to fool you will miss it after a while. The main thing is try and
find something to get into. Vol. at VA or anything, but don't sit in front
of that TV. I did that after I got out and it all most killed me. Now no
matter what I'm on the go. I don't care what I have to take or how much it
hurts get out of the house. BTW I still wake at five every morning. Eyes
just pop open like I have to get ready for PT.

Mike
Brenda Watkins - 17 Sep 2003 05:04 GMT
> Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.  It seems
> strange to know that we won't have the same life that we were used to.
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> Pam S.

change has a way of making us feel sad sometimes, even though the change is
for the better.  Don't worry, Pam - it'll pass once you've "adjusted" to the
new.

hugs,
Brenda
PcolaPhil - 17 Sep 2003 05:52 GMT
It's like - - - - well, it's sorta like misplacing your security
blanket.  After thirty years though it will have passed.  Best to you
and Rob.

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| Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.  It seems
| strange to know that we won't have the same life that we were used to.
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| Pam S.
Yowie - 17 Sep 2003 08:42 GMT
<snippity>

> No more complaints about his job, hours, cold feet, wet feet, lights on
> at weird hours, or any of the other complaints I used to have abut his
> work.
>
> So why in the h*ll am I so sad?

Aww, Pam, you are mourning a lifestyle that you have greatly enjoyed and has
brought you much happiness (the rose coloured glasses are looking after the
rest).

Us hoomins really don't like looking forward to change, we tend to think we
are content when everything is "normal" and "familiar" even if the next
change could be the best thing thats ever happened to us, often we are happy
just to keep things the way they are because we are used to it and we're
comfortable. Like when I cried after I left the moron I was with for too
long - although I knew 100% that i was making the right decision and it
could only be "up" from there on in, I still had to mourn the passing of an
era. And so do you. Nothing wrong with mourning you know, you have to go
through it as part of the "letting go" process. If you don't you'll always
be living in the past, and I simply cannot imagine you & Rob and the rest of
the Shirk family & affliates not moving on and living the life that presents
itself to you in the fullest. Sure, there will be things you won't be doing
any more, and you can visit those memories any time you like, but you'll
also be doing stuff that you could have never have done while Rob was still
in the Army as well.

So, remember, some things will change, and you can't do anything about it.
And some things won't no matter how hard you try. But there is a big grey
bit in the middle that is entirely up to you. Grab life by the 'nads and
enjoy it for what it is: life.

Many hugs & purrs. Remember, we are here.

Yowie
John Biltz - 17 Sep 2003 09:53 GMT
> <snippity>
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> brought you much happiness (the rose coloured glasses are looking after the
> rest).

Its an awful shock being out after a career.  When I retired I found a
lot of changes.  The largest was not the not having to get up or being on
duty 24/7 and all that.  It was a fundemantal change in how I viewed and
refered to myself.  For 20 years I was a soldier.  Its more than how you
earn a living.  Its a lot harder than moving from one job to another.  
During that time short hair had enough time to come back into style and
soldiering went from being a disrespectful job to a respected and noble
profession.  I missed being able to tell people I was a soldier.  Its
tough working just for a paycheck after that.  The next hardest thing for
me was the routine of every day working.  When I was in every day was
different from the day before.  Every day you did something different.  
I've been out four years and I still miss it a lot.  I wouldn't go back
now if I could.  But I miss it still.
Yoj - 17 Sep 2003 09:34 GMT
> Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.  It seems
> strange to know that we won't have the same life that we were used to.
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> Pam S.

Changes are usually scary, and a little bit sad.  You'll probably miss
the camaraderie of the military and their wives.  However, I'll bet it
won't be long before you make new friends and find you're loving a more
"normal" life.

Joy
?Old Sarge?2003? - 17 Sep 2003 12:53 GMT
Pam, we ALL went through a phase when we retired. After all you
cannot just take 20 years or more of a way of life and just toss
it as if it never happened.  After 21 years of retirement, I still
often have military dreams.  I always will.  Do I still miss the
military??  At times, but most times not.  There were the good
times and the bad times and the so, so times.  It will take you
at least six months to come to the line to cross for adjustment.
Until then you will miss the military as most kids miss school
(I said MOST).

However, you will still have those friendships you had while in
the military.  That part will never go away.  You will move on
to another chapter in your life and put it behind you as each
day passes.  If anyone here says the didn't miss the military
after retirement, they were never in the military.

Chin up, stomach in, toes out, now wipe those tears and
strut on to a new life following the military life.  Our hearts
and minds go with you.

> Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.  It seems
> strange to know that we won't have the same life that we were used to.
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> Pam S.
Marina - 17 Sep 2003 14:53 GMT
> Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.
<snip>

> So why in the h*ll am I so sad?

Oh, Pam, I know the feeling. I cried when I left a job that I had had for
nine years, though I hated the job itself, didn't much like my workmates,
and had suffered sexual advances from a superior who was completely
obnoxious to me. It's just the change from something familiar to something
completely different.

I had made up my mind overnight to quit when they wouldn't give me time off
to attend an entrance exam to the university. I passed and entered the
academic world, where I still am, now as an employee. The time is
approaching when I think it's time to make a change again. I hope I have the
strength to do it.

The best of luck with whatever you two choose to do - is the "Merlin" still
on the agenda?

Purrs and hugs,
Marina, Frank and Nikki
Tanada - 17 Sep 2003 17:15 GMT
> The best of luck with whatever you two choose to do - is the "Merlin" still
> on the agenda?

Rob is supposed to do the research on liquor licenses, practical
applications, expenses and so forth, while I am supposed to get my butt
back into school and get my teaching degree.  It won't happen overnight,
but Merlin's Castle is a very important future project for us all.

Pam S.
polonca12000 - 17 Sep 2003 22:30 GMT
I'm so glad you left that job, Marina. I'm wishing you lots of luck finding
a purr-fect job,
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> Oh, Pam, I know the feeling. I cried when I left a job that I had had for
> nine years, though I hated the job itself, didn't much like my workmates,
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> Purrs and hugs,
> Marina, Frank and Nikki
Victor M. Martinez - 17 Sep 2003 15:16 GMT
<snip>

Sounds like more pluses than minuses...

>So why in the h*ll am I so sad?

Because it's human to be afraid of change. Change is unsettling. In that way
we're a lot like cats. :)
Let's hope this marks the beginning of a happier life for your family. We'll
be hopign it is.

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Marina - 17 Sep 2003 15:48 GMT
> Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.

Oops, forgot to say Hoppy Purrday, Pam!! It's today, isn't it? Many
shrimpies or the equivalent hoomin treat! The furry ones want to send sunny
spots instead of furious ladies called Isabel.

--
Marina, Frank and Nikki
Tanada - 17 Sep 2003 17:17 GMT
> > Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.
>
> Oops, forgot to say Hoppy Purrday, Pam!! It's today, isn't it? Many
> shrimpies or the equivalent hoomin treat! The furry ones want to send sunny
> spots instead of furious ladies called Isabel.

Yup, I'm 48 today.  Rob woke me up to say happy birthday, so I sang
"Hoppy Purrday to me" back at him.  For some reason he thinks I'm funny.

Pam S.
Victor M. Martinez - 17 Sep 2003 17:21 GMT
Estas son
las ma~anitas
que cantaba el Rey David
Hoy por ser
dia de tu santo
te las cantamos a ti.

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Lisa Katt - 17 Sep 2003 22:02 GMT
>> > Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Pam S.

"Hoppy Purrday, dear Pa-am!"
We hope you will have a happy new year.
Elisabet and Hugo Katt
Sherry - 18 Sep 2003 05:22 GMT
>>Yup, I'm 48 today.  Rob woke me up to say happy birthday, so I sang
>>"Hoppy Purrday to me" back at him.  For some reason he thinks I'm funny.
>>
>>Pam S.

Happy Birthday!! I didn't know we were the same age. 1955 was a very good year,
no?

Sherry
SUQKRT - 18 Sep 2003 17:49 GMT
>>> > Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>We hope you will have a happy new year.
>Elisabet and Hugo Katt

I hope you had a very Hoppy Purrday with many shrimpies.
Suz
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Yowie - 17 Sep 2003 23:07 GMT
> > > Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Yup, I'm 48 today.  Rob woke me up to say happy birthday, so I sang
> "Hoppy Purrday to me" back at him.  For some reason he thinks I'm funny.

Hoppy Purrday from over here as well. Hope it was a good one!

Yowie
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Sep 2003 08:26 GMT
> Yup, I'm 48 today.  Rob woke me up to say happy birthday, so I sang
> "Hoppy Purrday to me" back at him.  For some reason he thinks I'm funny.

Happy Birthday, birthday buddy!! Every year, we're the same age for
exactly one day. :) Then I turn a year older the next day.

Joyce - "One more year to go, before the big 5-0". (Eeeek!)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Sep 2003 01:12 GMT
Just wanted to re-post this since nobody seemed to see it <whimper,
sniff>:

>  > Yup, I'm 48 today.  Rob woke me up to say happy birthday, so I sang
>  > "Hoppy Purrday to me" back at him.  For some reason he thinks I'm funny.

> Happy Birthday, birthday buddy!! Every year, we're the same age for
> exactly one day. :) Then I turn a year older the next day.

> Joyce - "One more year to go, before the big 5-0". (Eeeek!)
Karen - 20 Sep 2003 01:28 GMT
in article 1YMab.22855$dk4.714905@typhoon.sonic.net,
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net at jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net wrote on 9/19/03 7:12
PM:

> Just wanted to re-post this since nobody seemed to see it <whimper,
> sniff>:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>> Joyce - "One more year to go, before the big 5-0". (Eeeek!)

Well, Hoppy Purrday!!!
Tanada - 20 Sep 2003 04:45 GMT
> Just wanted to re-post this since nobody seemed to see it <whimper,
> sniff>:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>  > Joyce - "One more year to go, before the big 5-0". (Eeeek!)

Hoppy late Purrday to you,
Hoppy late Purrday to you,
Hoppy late Purrday dear Joyce,
Hoppy late Purrday to you.

Pam, Rob, and the NC nine
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Sep 2003 08:26 GMT
> Hoppy late Purrday to you,
> Hoppy late Purrday to you,
> Hoppy late Purrday dear Joyce,
> Hoppy late Purrday to you.

Thanks!! Little sister! :)

Joyce
SUQKRT - 22 Sep 2003 13:50 GMT
>Hoppy late Purrday to you,
>Hoppy late Purrday to you,
>Hoppy late Purrday dear Joyce,
>Hoppy late Purrday to you.
>
>Pam, Rob, and the NC nine

Sorry Joyce I hope you were blessed with many shrimpies, lobster, or what ever
your favorite treat is.
Suz
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Chocolate heals all wounds.
Victor M. Martinez - 20 Sep 2003 04:47 GMT
Ooops... missed that one.

Estas son
las ma~anitas
que cantaba
el Rey David

Hoy por ser
dia de tu santo
te las cantamos aqui.

:)

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Sep 2003 08:23 GMT
> Ooops... missed that one.

> Estas son
> las ma~anitas
> que cantaba
> el Rey David

> Hoy por ser
> dia de tu santo
> te las cantamos aqui.
>  

Gracias!!

How can I find out the melody for this? I want to sing it!

Joyce
Victor M. Martinez - 20 Sep 2003 14:39 GMT
>How can I find out the melody for this? I want to sing it!

I found several versions online, I liked this one the best. If you get a
chance, get the recording made by Pedro Infante or Jorge Negrete. Those
guys rock! (in a traditional ranchero music kind of way)... :)
http://www.montereybay.com/smitty/mananitas.html

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Marina - 20 Sep 2003 05:08 GMT
> Just wanted to re-post this since nobody seemed to see it <whimper,
> sniff>:

Aww, Joyce, I meant to post a Happy Purrday, especially since you're the
same age as my eldest sister. How could I forget? Anyway, here it is, I hope
you had a very happy purrday with many shrimpies and sunny spots.

--
Marina, Frank and Nikki
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Sep 2003 08:25 GMT
> Aww, Joyce, I meant to post a Happy Purrday, especially since you're the
> same age as my eldest sister. How could I forget? Anyway, here it is, I
> hope you had a very happy purrday with many shrimpies and sunny spots.

As a matter of fact, I did have some shrimpies - went out for Vietnamese
food and had spring rolls (a "burrito" of rice flour wrapper with pork,
shrimp, and veggies inside).

Tried not to get much sun, though - it was hot here!

Two of my friends bought me a DVD player!!! (I'm unemployed or I would
have bought one myself.) I've been watching episodes of Six Feet Under
that I borrowed from a friend.

Thank you! Meow! Purrrrr...

Joyce
LOL - 20 Sep 2003 08:52 GMT
> Just wanted to re-post this since nobody seemed to see it <whimper,
> sniff>:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>  
>  > Joyce - "One more year to go, before the big 5-0". (Eeeek!)

Oops!  Happy Birthday, Joyce!  I hope it was a good one.  :-)
------
Krista
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Sep 2003 08:58 GMT
> Oops!  Happy Birthday, Joyce!  I hope it was a good one.  :-)

Thanks, Krista! It was.

Joyce
Hopitus2 - 20 Sep 2003 15:07 GMT
Happy Birthday belated, Joyce, from all of us in south FL who used to live
in your area of the country. Can you see Mt. Diablo from where you live? Of
course we couldn't see it from Sunnyvale then, but relatives who lived in
the Belmont hills had it in their living room picture window for our viewing
every time we were at their apartment! We had to shove their cats out of the
bay window seat as they effectively blocked our Diablo sight.......one of
our funnier memories of our CA residence era....

:  > Oops!  Happy Birthday, Joyce!  I hope it was a good one.  :-)
:
: Thanks, Krista! It was.
:
: Joyce
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Sep 2003 02:13 GMT
> Happy Birthday belated, Joyce,

Thanks!

> Can you see Mt. Diablo from where you live?

No, Mt Diablo is on the other side of the hills - I'm in Oakland.

> relatives who lived in
> the Belmont hills had it in their living room picture window for our viewing
> every time we were at their apartment!

Nice!

> We had to shove their cats out of the
> bay window seat as they effectively blocked our Diablo sight.......

"Cats are not like windows". :)

Joyce
polonca12000 - 17 Sep 2003 22:31 GMT
Happy purr-day! Have a great one!
Best wishes,
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> Oops, forgot to say Hoppy Purrday, Pam!! It's today, isn't it? Many
> shrimpies or the equivalent hoomin treat! The furry ones want to send sunny
> spots instead of furious ladies called Isabel.
>
> --
> Marina, Frank and Nikki
Christine Burel - 17 Sep 2003 19:02 GMT
> Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.  It seems
> strange to know that we won't have the same life that we were used to.
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> Pam S.
Major, major hugs and purrs, Pam.
Christine
Ginger-lyn Summer - 17 Sep 2003 19:09 GMT
>Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.  It seems
>strange to know that we won't have the same life that we were used to.
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
>Pam S.

{{{{{Pam}}}}}

Every change is a loss, and every loss needs to be mourned.  Once the
mourning is done, the joy of new opportunities will come through, and
you will enjoy your new life together as long as you have it.

Best of luck to you both on your new road.

Blessings,

Ginger-lyn
polonca12000 - 17 Sep 2003 21:39 GMT
It's an end to an era.
Hugs,
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> Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.  <snip>
> So why in the h*ll am I so sad?
>
> Pam S.
Steve Touchstone - 18 Sep 2003 04:25 GMT
You've pretty much nailed it on the head. The military IS a way of
life, much more than most professions, and more than most non-military
folks realize. Afterall, none is us would have made it to retirement
if we were in it for the money. 12 hour days were pretty much the norm
for me, not to mention the time spent in the field, TDY, deployment,
etc.

I'm sorry to hear that his unit is deployed and he will miss the
traditional retirement ceremony. About ten months after I retired I
went to the my old unit's organization day. Of course some folks had
moved on by then, but still had a great time.

>Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.  It seems
>strange to know that we won't have the same life that we were used to.
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
>Pam S.
Annie Wxill - 19 Sep 2003 01:27 GMT
> Tomorrow, today, September 17 is Rob's last day in the army.  It seems
> strange to know that we won't have the same life that we were used to.
...> So why in the h*ll am I so sad?

> Pam S.
Hi Pam,
Changes are hard, but you can keep your military friends.  We still have
friends from when Jim was in Army helicopter school in 1966.
And, of course, you still have RPCA.
Good luck on Rob's retirement.  I hope you both have many healthy and happy
years together in your new life.
Annie
 
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