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Helping Meowmie shut up the chickens

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Christina Websell - 11 Sep 2005 21:51 GMT
I'm going to have to shut Boyfriend in the house to stop him helping me in
the evenings.  Far from being a help just lately to guide me home a yard or
two in front with his reflective collar like he used to, he has started to
wind in and out of my legs on the way back and nearly trips me up.  Wind in
and out of legs, rub cheek on watering can.  Wind in and out, rub cheek on
fence, gate post, wheelbarrow - you get the picture - and he comes back to
wind in and out of my legs each time.

I can only shut the chickens up at dusk, they won't go into their huts to
bed any earlier.  I can't see in the dark now after my 5 eye ops, it's a
side effect of saving my sight.

I know why he wants to rub his face everywhere, to mark his territory.  Of
course he does - there is that black cat "the Enemy" to think about, but I
don't know why he is under my feet on the way back up the garden.   It
doesn't matter when he does it in the morning as I can see well then, but it
really matters at night as my night vision is now so poor.  If I fell and
broke my leg, no one would hear.
Any ideas why he seems to need to wind round my legs now instead of leading
a few feet ahead like he used to?

Tweed
wafflycat - 11 Sep 2005 22:03 GMT
> Any ideas why he seems to need to wind round my legs now instead of
> leading a few feet ahead like he used to?
>
> Tweed

He realises you have trouble seeing in the dark, so he's keeping you on a
really short leash, so you don't wander off and get lost ;-)

Cheers, helen s
kilikini - 11 Sep 2005 22:19 GMT
> > Any ideas why he seems to need to wind round my legs now instead of
> > leading a few feet ahead like he used to?
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>
> Cheers, helen s

Yes, God forbid you get lost!  <g>

kili
Karen - 11 Sep 2005 22:06 GMT
> I'm going to have to shut Boyfriend in the house to stop him helping me
> in the evenings.  Far from being a help just lately to guide me home a
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>
> Tweed

Would he let you carry him? Otherwise, it is kind of dangerous.
Christina Websell - 11 Sep 2005 22:37 GMT
>> I'm going to have to shut Boyfriend in the house to stop him helping me
>> in the evenings.  Far from being a help just lately to guide me home a
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>
> Would he let you carry him?

No, he wouldn't.

>Otherwise, it is kind of dangerous.

I know.  I will see what he does over the next week or so.  If he keeps
doing it, if he's in the house when I go to shut up the chickens, I'll make
sure I shut the back door so he cannot come with me.  If he is already out
on rat patrol and comes over to help when he sees me, then I don't know what
I can do except to be *very* careful.

Tweed
Wayne Mitchell - 12 Sep 2005 03:16 GMT
>If he is already out
>on rat patrol and comes over to help when he sees me, then I don't know what
>I can do except to be *very* careful.

If your hands aren't generally too full, use a walking stick --
one that's nearly as tall as you are, so you carry it with your
hand almost shoulder height.  That may be enough to keep
Boyfriend at a little greater distance when he's following you
from in front, and if he does trip you, it could save you from a
fall.

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Jane - 12 Sep 2005 20:11 GMT
Princess Rita used to do that to me in the mornings while I got her
breakfast ready.  She'd wind in an out of my legs, and howl, just in
case the tripping-up part wasn't working.
However, I wear size 11 shoes, and the big cast on the left foot is
even bigger, so after I stepped on her feet a few times (totally by
accident!! I'd never do that on purpose!) she's learned to watch
from around the corner and come in when I'm done.  It's funny to
see her little face peeking around the corner watching me.
At least she's learned.  Mommy is a klutz.

Jane

>>If he is already out
>>on rat patrol and comes over to help when he sees me, then I don't know what
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>from in front, and if he does trip you, it could save you from a
>fall.
Wayne Mitchell - 13 Sep 2005 02:15 GMT
[Apologies if this comes as a duplicate.  It never appeared on
my server.]

>If he is already out
>on rat patrol and comes over to help when he sees me, then I don't know what
>I can do except to be *very* careful.

If your hands aren't generally too full, use a walking stick --
one that's nearly as tall as you are, so you carry it with your
hand almost shoulder height.  That may be enough to keep
Boyfriend at a little greater distance when he's following you
from in front, and if he does trip you, it could save you from a
fall.

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Christina Websell - 13 Sep 2005 20:24 GMT
> [Apologies if this comes as a duplicate.  It never appeared on
> my server.]
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> from in front, and if he does trip you, it could save you from a
> fall.

Thank you, Wayne, that's a good idea.  I love the phrase "following you from
in front" btw!
I've just returned from the "chicken run", and sure enough, Boyfie was doing
it again.  Far too close.  He had his tail right up, so I took hold of it,
ran my hand up it and pulled it "very" slightly and said   "hey, you, get
ahead!"  He didn't like that much, so he did.   A minute later he
forgot..and was under my feet again.
So I did it again.  I took his tail in my hand and pulled it *so* slightly
harder and said quite loudly  "GET OUT FROM UNDER MY FEET"

He did, and now he is offended :-(

Tweed
Karen - 13 Sep 2005 20:28 GMT
> > [Apologies if this comes as a duplicate.  It never appeared on
> > my server.]
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>
> Tweed

He would be more upset if you ended up in hospital!
treeline12345@yahoo.com - 13 Sep 2005 21:28 GMT
> Thank you, Wayne, that's a good idea.  I love the phrase "following you from
> in front" btw!
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> He did, and now he is offended :-(
> Tweed

I'd be offended too. Have you looked into clicker training? It's used
for cats of all sizes, from lions on down to kitty cats. It's what they
use in the cats' circus that Friskies puts on for their traveling cat
circus. It's simple and cheap.

Cats don't respond well to negative feedback which is what you are
doing. They are just not wired for that. Maybe trivial cases, maybe
not. How do I know what a cat is wired up for? Neurophysiologically I
do but that's another topic.

Heh, if clicker training is too much trouble - just need a clicker and
some treats, if wet treats a soft baby spoon, if dry treats, easier.
And when he walks ahead, click and treat.

But how about a water bottle and then a click and a treat?

Yahoo has a whole thing about clicker training a cat.

Does it work?

I don't know but my cat comes to me and will do a few tricks. Outside
it might be more difficult but he does not sound scared so you might do
it outside. Start inside.

Lots of lending libraries have Clicker Training by Karen Pryor. I
forget who runs the Yahoo group, Wendy something?

You might have a gift for it and make things simpler.
Ted Davis - 12 Sep 2005 00:42 GMT
>I'm going to have to shut Boyfriend in the house to stop him helping me in
>the evenings.  Far from being a help just lately to guide me home a yard or
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>bed any earlier.  I can't see in the dark now after my 5 eye ops, it's a
>side effect of saving my sight.

Maybe a flashlight would help both problems: a one million candlepower
flashlight.  Not only does mine light up whatever it touches like
daylight, but it stimulates various animals to move about, or even
turn around and leave (possums shy away from it at a range of two
hundred feet), thereby providing distractions for the cat.

I bought mine on sale at Lowes, but they are very popular with outdoor
type people so it should be possible to find one in a sporting goods
store.  Rechargeable - lasts several hours of intermittent use between
charges.  I use mine for inspecting the property after dark to see
what wildlife is out and about.

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Jo Firey - 12 Sep 2005 01:06 GMT
>>I'm going to have to shut Boyfriend in the house to stop him helping me in
>>the evenings.  Far from being a help just lately to guide me home a yard
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> charges.  I use mine for inspecting the property after dark to see
> what wildlife is out and about.

We use ours to find the cats if they don't come in before dark.  Those
glowing eyes give them away every time.

Jo
treeline12345@yahoo.com - 12 Sep 2005 01:45 GMT
> > Maybe a flashlight would help both problems: a one million candlepower
> > flashlight.  Not only does mine light up whatever it touches like
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>
> Jo

Locating the cat is not a problem of mine. Don't need a powerful
flashlight too much. One of the great advantages of having a white cat
who does not like snow :)

But how do you get the cats to come in? If my cat wants to, she'll come
in on her own. About 1/4 the time, she'll not run away but will sort of
lounge or sit or lay down, so I carry her in. But a small percentage of
the time, she scoots away when I go to pick her up. I prefer to just
let her come in on her own. Is that what yours do when they see you
have found them?
Karen - 12 Sep 2005 02:29 GMT
>>> Maybe a flashlight would help both problems: a one million candlepower
>>> flashlight.  Not only does mine light up whatever it touches like
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> let her come in on her own. Is that what yours do when they see you
> have found them?

We always used to Bang a can opener on a can. They couldn't resist. Or
if they are kibble eaters, shake a bag of food. Most of them respond
even if they aren't particularly hungry. They can't stand not to.
Ted Davis - 12 Sep 2005 14:01 GMT
>We always used to Bang a can opener on a can. They couldn't resist. Or
>if they are kibble eaters, shake a bag of food. Most of them respond
>even if they aren't particularly hungry. They can't stand not to.

With a dozen cats, I need a large food bowl - I use a large dog size
stainless steel bowl.  Pouring kibble into that is extremely noisy: it
drives away the ones standing right there, but brings most of the
clowder running from wherever they are, inside or outside.

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Jo Firey - 12 Sep 2005 04:09 GMT
>> > Maybe a flashlight would help both problems: a one million candlepower
>> > flashlight.  Not only does mine light up whatever it touches like
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> let her come in on her own. Is that what yours do when they see you
> have found them?

Mostly its a game with ours.  If you light them up they will either come in
or will lay still for a pick me up.  If they seriously want to play tag, at
least I know where they are and that they are safe, so I just go to bed and
leave the garage open enough so they can get in there.  Sorry furballs, but
I've got bad knees and ankles and can not play tag after dark.  Especially
in the neighbors yards.

Jo
Christina Websell - 12 Sep 2005 18:41 GMT
>>>I'm going to have to shut Boyfriend in the house to stop him helping me
>>>in
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>
> Jo

I lost Ted's post in my flood removal program, so I will tag on here.  I
used to use a powerful flashlight, one of those rechargeable million
candlepower jobbies that light everything up for a mile.
There was one big problem with that, though.  I have a mega fox problem here
so I daren't wait until after dusk to close the popholes up.  This means the
fowls have only just retired for the night a few minutes before.
I have some amazingly bad-tempered roosters.  Some are fine, but some should
really be flavouring soup for bad attitude and would be if I wasn't so
stupidly softhearted.  I have a Speckled Sussex rooster that is 12lbs of
pure evil.  He attacks me at every opportunity and I have to use a mesh
shield held in front of me to replenish his food and water.  His name is
Attila.
What happens if I use a bright light to visit the chicken huts is that every
rooster with an attitude hurtles back out and asks me if I wanna fight ;-)
and won't go back inside ... and it is surprisingly painful when they strike
out like lightning with their spurs, it both cuts and bruises.

I use a small LED headlight to sneak down the garden but it casts a blue
light which is only just sufficient.  One of the problems that's been caused
by my eye surgery is that my eyes take ages to adapt going from light into
dark and vice versa.  It happens almost instantly in most people but is a
common side effect of the type of surgery that I had. I now have to use a
torch to look into a cupboard unless I want to stand there for 15 minutes.

It was so helpful that Boyfriend ran in front of me about six feet away with
his reflective collar, but this winding in and out of the legs that he's
just started to do is not good.

Tweed
Steve Touchstone - 12 Sep 2005 19:46 GMT
>I lost Ted's post in my flood removal program, so I will tag on here.  I
>used to use a powerful flashlight, one of those rechargeable million
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>his reflective collar, but this winding in and out of the legs that he's
>just started to do is not good.

aw, now I understand. When I read your first post, my first thought
was get a flashlight. ;-) Should have known better after having kept
feathered pets for years, once they see a light they get off their
roost and want attention - or in your case they prepare to defend
their territory.

I really don't know what to suggest about BF. Like someone else said,
he's just becoming more used to you. Unfortunately, if he's like some
of the neighborhood kitties I feed, he may graduate from winding
between your legs to collasping in front of you asking for a belly rub
- definitely not something you want when you have trouble seeing him.
I hate to think you'll have to lock him inside while you tend the
flock, especially as he was so good at helping his meowmie on those
dark and windy nights, but it may be the only safe alternative ;-((
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treeline12345@yahoo.com - 12 Sep 2005 20:38 GMT
> I use a small LED headlight to sneak down the garden but it casts a blue
> light which is only just sufficient.  One of the problems that's been caused
> by my eye surgery is that my eyes take ages to adapt going from light into
> dark and vice versa.  It happens almost instantly in most people but is a
> common side effect of the type of surgery that I had. I now have to use a
> torch to look into a cupboard unless I want to stand there for 15 minutes.

May I suggest a different color? Blue light is the worst color to see
in the dark. Try to get a green-yellow light. I can see most of a
completely dark room with a green night-light but can't even see the
floor if using a different color.
Howard C. Berkowitz - 12 Sep 2005 20:59 GMT
> >>>I'm going to have to shut Boyfriend in the house to stop him helping
> >>>me
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
> shield held in front of me to replenish his food and water.  His name is
> Attila.

It's really a shame that this attitude comes from a male chicken.  
"Attila the Hen" would be so appropriate...although it could be the
start of a Python routine. :-)

> What happens if I use a bright light to visit the chicken huts is that
> every
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> torch to look into a cupboard unless I want to stand there for 15
> minutes.

Have you ever tried wearing spectacles or goggles with red lenses for
perhaps 30 minutes before going outside?  These need not be anything
fancy.  Red lenses (and red light) do help in dark adaptation.  US Navy
ships use red lighting in control centers where people may have to go
outside at night. I've also known radiologists who put on red goggles
wherever they need to leave a image viewing room and get into ordinary
light.

> It was so helpful that Boyfriend ran in front of me about six feet away
> with
> his reflective collar, but this winding in and out of the legs that he's
> just started to do is not good.

Robert Heinlein, I believe, called this "following behind ahead of you".
Kwwwaaaazzeeeee Kaaaaaattzzz - 12 Sep 2005 21:24 GMT
Howard C. Berkowitz bent over and whined:

>Have you ever tried wearing spectacles or goggles with red lenses for
>perhaps 30 minutes

Nah, I usually drink a 12 pack and put two bags over Jill's head
before we do the nasty deed ;)
PatM - 12 Sep 2005 04:02 GMT
I can't say why he does that, but how about an inexpensive pair of
boots your wear just out to bed down the chickens that you spray/coat
with something offensive?

PatM
Gandalf - 12 Sep 2005 07:32 GMT
>I'm going to have to shut Boyfriend in the house to stop him helping me in
>the evenings.  Far from being a help just lately to guide me home a yard or
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>Tweed

I imagine he's just being more friendly than he used to.

Given your poor night vision, I do hope you bring a good flashlight with
you when it's dark.

As a flashlight collector, I'm always looking for an excuse to use my
many flashlights.

If you don't have a good flashlight, I'd be happy to send you one of
mine I don't use. Just let me know; my E-mail address is valid.
treeline12345@yahoo.com - 12 Sep 2005 16:28 GMT
> >I'm going to have to shut Boyfriend in the house to stop him helping me in
> >the evenings.  Far from being a help just lately to guide me home a yard or
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> If you don't have a good flashlight, I'd be happy to send you one of
> mine I don't use. Just let me know; my E-mail address is valid.

That's nice of you to offer a flashlight. How about a tech question
then?

I noticed 2 handy but expensive flashlights on sale at Lowe's.

One was from CoastCutlery, a bright LED type which says 117.6 mW, which
covers at 12 inches, 1 squared centimeter, 1.25 referred to something
which I forgot its units.

And a Dorcy Spdyer, 1.22A, 119.5 lumens, 4.8 bulb? Uses 5 volts, 2 x 3
volt lithium photocell batteries. This one can't be used more than
10-20 minutes at a time, due to overheating? I gather this is a xenon
type bulb.

119.5 = XXX Radiant Power for the Dorcy x 683 lumens/watt x luminous
efficacy???

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/lumpow.html
Luminous flux in lumens = Radiant power (watts) x 683 lumens/watt x
luminous efficacy
The luminous flux is the part of the power which is perceived as light
by the human eye, and the figure 683 lumens/watt is based upon the
sensitivity of the eye at 555 nm, the peak efficiency of the photopic
(daylight) vision curve. The luminous efficacy is 1 at that frequency.
A typical 100 watt incandescent bulb has a luminous flux of about 1700
lumens.
1700 lumens / 683 lumens/watt = 2.49 watts
But I gather the Dorcy is probably brighter but in an emergency, as in
a car, where one might need an hour's worth of continuous light, the
CoastCutlery would be better? Or is 20 minutes of very bright light
better? I had trouble finding a good and easy comparison.

I think I tried calling the manufacturer, CoastCutlery, but was not too
successful.
Ingold - 12 Sep 2005 21:34 GMT
>> >I'm going to have to shut Boyfriend in the house to stop him helping me in
>> >the evenings.  Far from being a help just lately to guide me home a yard or
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>I think I tried calling the manufacturer, CoastCutlery, but was not too
>successful.

Neither is a good choice, for many reasons. I'll send you an E-mail.
 
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