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Steve Touchstone - 08 May 2004 18:29 GMT
Well, my busy season is starting, and I was off taking care of
business and off line for a couple days. I started reading the many
messages, ended up skipping/deleting a couple hundred to catch up with
the group. So am sending happy purrs, health purrs, and sad comforting
purrs to any who need them and I might miss otherwise.

Just a couple cat related things to relate, some happy and one
sad/maddening. First, there's my new neighbor, just back from Iraq. He
moved in, and is now off on 30 days leave. I haven't really talked
with him, except to shake his hand and welcome him back. The thing
that makes his arrival cat related is that the UPS delivered a big box
for him, which I'm hanging on to until he gets back. Sammy was
delighted, and has claimed it for a new nap spot - but I can tell
she's more than a little miffed that I haven't opened it up so she can
get the proper new-box experience.

Then, there was the cute little kitten, maybe 8-10 weeks old, I met
yesterday. I run into a lot of animals while out doing landscaping,
but usually the best I can expect is for cats to accept a scritch and
then watch from afar as I get on with my work. This kitten that I met
yesterday was out playing in his yard next door to where I was
working. I watched him and his brother/sister, beautiful tail-less
kittens, one gray and one black, for a while before I started up my
weed eater to get to work. When I started the weed eater the little
black guy ran back to the house, but little gray stood his ground and
watched me. I trimmed the far side of the yard, and worked around to
the chain link fence separating his yard from where I was working S/he
bravely watched me without retreating. When I reached the closest
point to where he was watching from about 10 feet away on his side of
the fence, I was surprised to see him prance up to the fence for a
closer look. First time any cat has approached me while I was
holding/using running lawn equipment. Course, I shut it down and
reached through the chain links to give him a few scritches, and told
me what a brave and handsome guy he was.

Now the sad/maddening story. Last winter a friend introduced me to a
friend of hers. The lady was headed for a tour in Germany and needed a
yard man to do her yard.  When I had met the owner to give her an
estimate, I commented on her cats, one of whom looked a lot like my
Rocky. She told me she told me they were strictly indoor kitties, and
they would be staying there, because their shots weren't up to date
and it would be a major hazzle to take them with her. A sister in law
would be living there and taking care of the cats.

Anyway, the first time I went to do the yard, one of the cats, the
Rocky lookalike, was outside, which I knew was a no-no. I told the
SIL, but she was in a hurry to go to work and got in her car and left.
I mentioned it to my friend, who was sort of keeping an eye on things
and had been keeping the owner in Germany up to date, since the SIL is
something of a alcoholic flake. I went back this week to do the yard
again and collect for the first time I was there, and found that
flakey SIL had a new puppy. She was keeping it on the front porch, a
tragedy waiting to happen, no fence or leash, nothing to keep it from
wandering into the busy street.

The owner's un-neutered female had had a litter of kittens, a miracle
litter as flakey SIL swears it had never been let outside. Mom,
kittens, and neutered tom Rocky lookalike, had been turned over to the
local shelter. Only one of the owner's pets was left, banished from
the house, living on the screen back porch.

I told my friend, but don't know what the end of the story will be. I
imagine there'll be one highly p*ssed off lady in Germany who has some
rather choice things to say to her not so dear SIL.

BTW, my friend now tells me that SIL quit or got fired from her job,
is not working, nor meeting any of her agreed upon financial
commitements for living in the house. The owner over in Germany asked
my friend to have me keep doing the yard on a pay as you go basis. As
it is I'll probably never get paid for the work I've already done. So,
I dropped flake as a customer. Not solely because her treatment of the
pets, but it certainly contributed.
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Sherry - 08 May 2004 19:26 GMT
>Well, my busy season is starting, and I was off taking care of
>business and off line for a couple days.

Glad business is good, but don't get *too* busy!
BTW. You're the lawn expert. Does monkey grass grow in the shade? (A friend
gave me a crapload of the stuff. I'm not sure what to do with it)

Sherry
Steve Touchstone - 08 May 2004 19:38 GMT
>BTW. You're the lawn expert. Does monkey grass grow in the shade? (A friend
>gave me a crapload of the stuff. I'm not sure what to do with it)
>
>Sherry

Yep, but not very well. One of my commercial accounts has entranceways
one the first floor which has some monkey grass. It doesn't get any
sun at all, but it stays green. Just stays about 6 inches tall,
doesn't grow and hasn't spread out at all in the three years I've had
the account. OTOH, I have another account where there's some that only
gets a couple hours of full afternoon sun, and it grows pretty well
there. In fact, the owner doesn't really like it to get tall (it
collects blowing trash as it's close to an alley) and wants me to run
the mower over it on the highest setting a couple times a month this
time of year.
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MaryL - 08 May 2004 20:16 GMT
> >Well, my busy season is starting, and I was off taking care of
> >business and off line for a couple days.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Sherry

Sherry,

I am somewhat of an "expert" on how tough and invasive monkey grass can be
(assuming that you are talking about the shorter variety -- not the taller
liriope, or lily turf).  I live in East Texas, and monkey grass *loves* it
here -- sun or shade, it doesn't matter.  I have a very shady yard, and I
have been fighting patches of monkey grass that were here when I move to
this house 7 years ago.  It is almost impossible to kill.  I have worked on
it with both chemicals and digging, and a professional landscaping company
has worked on it several times over the years.  My recommendation is:
*don't* use it unless you are *sure* you want it to stay there forever!

Steve noted an entirely different response.  I don't know if the difference
would be climate, soil, variety of monkey grass, or what -- but thought I
would give you this "heads up."  Liriope (similar, but much taller, with
purple flowers) is much different.  It doesn't spread much except that the
clumps get larger, and it can easily be restrained.

MaryL
Steve Touchstone - 08 May 2004 21:19 GMT
>I am somewhat of an "expert" on how tough and invasive monkey grass can be
>(assuming that you are talking about the shorter variety -- not the taller
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>MaryL

Mary's right about how hard it is to get rid of it once it's
established, which I have to confess I didn't even think about when I
first posted. Like I said, at the one place the owner doesn't like it,
and has tried a couple times to get rid of it, but it keeps coming
back. In fact, last spring he had a guy dig about 6 inches down and
haul away the dirt, replacing it with new topsoil. This spring I
notice that a few clumps have started to reappear.

After reading Mary's post I googled monkey grass, and see that it's
supposed to do well in shade.
http://www.fertilizer.com/garden/groundcovers/grass.htm
The article mentions that it prefers rich moist soil, so maybe the
fact that it's planted in clay and doesn't get watered has more to do
with stunting its growth than the lack of sun. Or it could be that my
one patch which doesn't grow much isn't really monkey grass at all,
though the leaves look the same I've never seen it bloom.
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MaryL - 08 May 2004 21:35 GMT
> >I am somewhat of an "expert" on how tough and invasive monkey grass can be
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> fact that it's planted in clay and doesn't get watered has more to do
> with stunting its growth than the lack of sun.

That might be the answer.  I have a pretty lush turn (St. Augustine grass)
with several beds containing *lots* of shrubs and flowers plus very tall
trees and some understory decorative trees (dogwood, Japanese maple, etc.).
Everything is well fertilized, and I use a sprinkler system.  So, everything
grows well -- and that definitely includes the monkey grass.

Thanks for looking it up, Steve.  ...and be forewarned, Sherry.   ;o)
MaryL
MaryL - 08 May 2004 21:52 GMT
> > After reading Mary's post I googled monkey grass, and see that it's
> > supposed to do well in shade.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Thanks for looking it up, Steve.  ...and be forewarned, Sherry.   ;o)
> MaryL

Sherry,

To be fair about all this (and also considering that you already have a lot
of monkey grass that you could use), I should also mention the "positives" I
know about it.  That is, it is tough, does not need to be mowed, makes an
excellent ground cover in areas where erosion control is needed, and it is
evergreen in this climate zone (East Texas).  Just be *very, very sure* that
you place it where you know you will *always* want it because it can be
almost impossible to eradicate.  It spreads by underground roots, so the
invasive nature of it means that the original boundaries will continually
spread outward.  Also, don't make the mistake of dropping bits of it in
other areas or of using soil from that area to fill in other areas because
you may soon find new patches of monkey grass if you do.

MaryL
Sherry - 08 May 2004 22:01 GMT
>After reading Mary's post I googled monkey grass, and see that it's
>supposed to do well in shade.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>one patch which doesn't grow much isn't really monkey grass at all,
>though the leaves look the same I've never seen it bloom.

Thanks Steve, MaryL. I'm going to go ahead and plant it, but with edging so
maybe it will stay contained. Anything will be be an improvement. It's total
shade back there, and so far, nothing, not even fescue, will grow well next to
the house. It's just bare dirt. Maybe if I contain this stuff with edging, it
won't spread too badly.

Sherry
Sherry
Karen Chuplis - 09 May 2004 00:03 GMT
>> After reading Mary's post I googled monkey grass, and see that it's
>> supposed to do well in shade.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Sherry
> Sherry

OK, I *have* to ask. What is MONKEY grass??
Steve Touchstone - 09 May 2004 00:54 GMT
>OK, I *have* to ask. What is MONKEY grass??
It's a type of ground cover, very hardy and requires little
maintenance, also known as Mondo Grass. Also very easy to transplant,
just stick the shovel, get a shovelful, break it into little clumps
and stick it where you want it. Give it a little time and it spreads
out and fills the gaps. Sort of a plant it and forget it type of
plant. Not quite knee high, it doesn't have much in the way of
flowers, though, it does have smallish flowers and little berries but
most are hidden in the leaves.

Nice thing about it here in SW OK is that once all our bermuda lawns
are dormant and brown in the winter, it provides yards with some
color, since it's an evergeen (though sometimes in hard freezes the
leaves turn yellow, so lots of people trim it down). It also stays
green during our long hot dry summers.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 09 May 2004 00:33 GMT
> She told me she told me they were strictly indoor kitties, and
> they would be staying there, because their shots weren't up to date
> and it would be a major hazzle to take them with her. A sister in law
> would be living there and taking care of the cats.

What a horrible, irresponsible person. Sweet deal for the sister-in-law,
not so sweet for the one in Germany. I guess your employer didn't have
anyone else to ask?

> The owner's un-neutered female had had a litter of kittens, a miracle
> litter as flakey SIL swears it had never been let outside.

Actually, I think it was pretty irresponsible of the owner to leave
a fertile female with a housesitter. The cat would be going into heat,
which would drive the housesitter crazy (not to mention the cat) and
would be a real challenge to keep indoors, as we all know! I wonder
why she didn't have her spayed before leaving for Germany?

> Mom, kittens, and neutered tom Rocky lookalike, had been turned over
> to the local shelter.

She brought the home owner's *pets* to the animal shelter?? I can see
turning over the kittens, but why the mom and the neutered male? I'll
say the cats' owner will be mighty angry about that.

> Only one of the owner's pets was left, banished from
> the house, living on the screen back porch.

Poor thing! How dare this woman do this to someone else's cats?
(Especially someone who trusted her to take good care of them, and
let her live in her home?)

> As it is I'll probably never get paid for the work I've already done.

Why do you say that? You don't think the woman who's in Germany will
pay you when she gets back? She's not the flaky one, and it's her yard.
But I don't blame you for dropping them anyway. It all sounds very
unpleasant.

Your other kitty experiences do sound much nicer, especially the brave
one who doesn't run away from powered lawn equipment!

Joyce
Steve Touchstone - 09 May 2004 15:19 GMT
<snipping most of the comments about flaky SIL and homeowner>

I don't really know the whole story, since I only met the owner once
and talked maybe 20 minutes. From what I gather, both from our talk
and talking with my friend who introduced us, the homeowner thought it
was a good deal having a relative move in and take care of things.
Turns out it was a mistake, and the cats are the big losers.

BTW, momma, babies, and the neutered tom went to the shelter because
they didn't get along with the SIL's new puppy. My friend, who
introduced me to the owner, thinks the lone remaining cat is another
female, but isn't sure if it's neutered.

>Your other kitty experiences do sound much nicer, especially the brave
>one who doesn't run away from powered lawn equipment!

Yes, one brave kitty! I hope he'll be a regular as I make my rounds.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 09 May 2004 21:22 GMT
> BTW, momma, babies, and the neutered tom went to the shelter because
> they didn't get along with the SIL's new puppy.

Oh, well that makes it much better! <eye roll> She brings in her own
puppy, which she didn't ask permission to do, and decides to clear out
the owner's animals because they didn't get along with her puppy??

Joyce
MaryL - 09 May 2004 21:50 GMT
>  > On Sat, 08 May 2004 23:33:00 GMT, jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Joyce

This is so sad.  I wonder if the shelter could be required to keep the cats
until the real owner arrives because they were turned over by a *non*-owner
and without permission?  On the other hand, it would take someone who (1)
knew about the situation, (2) knew about it in time, and (3) was willing to
go to the shelter and take the necessary steps -- and possibly some
additional problems that I didn't list.  The woman who did this is real
scum.

MaryL
(take out the litter to reply)

Photos of Duffy and Holly:      >'o'<
http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly)
http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in")
Christine Burel - 09 May 2004 02:57 GMT
What a cute kitten story but really sorry about the flaky client one and her
animals.  hugs to you,
Christine
> Well, my busy season is starting, and I was off taking care of
> business and off line for a couple days. I started reading the many
[quoted text clipped - 68 lines]
> I dropped flake as a customer. Not solely because her treatment of the
> pets, but it certainly contributed.
 
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