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What would you do to save a cat? (VERY LONG)

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Mischief - 06 May 2004 05:21 GMT
Here's the long version about the cat I saved.

I'm driving home from school, when I see this Rottweiler walking up
the sidewalk.  He soon is joined by another Rottweiler.  No collars or
leashes Being the person I am, and the fact I'm a vet technician, I
tend to get concerned when I see stray animals.  I turn the car around
just in time to see a third, smaller dog follow them, and they duck
into a residential area.  I pull into a side street and double around
into a court.  I see the small dog, and I pull up in time to see one
of the Rotts prancing next to the other, who has something in its
mouth and is shaking it.  It was a gray cat.

I hit the breaks, even the emergency, and jump out.  The cat falls out
of the dog's mouth and tries to run.  The dogs pursue it.  Meanwhile
I'm running up screaming  "STOP IT!!!  LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!  STOP!!"
The dogs had cornered the poor cat outside a wooden gate and try to
bite it again.  Without thinking I grab my hat and start hitting the
dogs, all while screaming "NO!! DROP IT!!!  STOP!!"  I managed to fend
off the dogs, and I look down and the poor cat is on his back trying
to get up.  His back legs are at funny angles.  One of the Rotts had
run off, while the other was still there, looking at me with a
quizzical look.

I scoop up the cat and head towards the house.  No one answered.  I
see a neighbor across the street and ask if she knew who the dogs
belonged to.  She didn't know, and she told me that the cat belonged
to her neighbor but he wasn't home.  The dogs had run off by now.  I
gave her my number, wrapped the cat in my jacket and put him in the
front seat.

I took him to the Animal Emergency Clinic.  I called ahead of time,
but it was rush hour traffic.  All the while, I have a hand on the
cat, and i"m saying "It's okay, kitty.  Stay with me, kitty.  I'm
going to get you some help."

I got there and they took him in immediately.  I'm telling the story
to the receptionist and everyone is like, "You were so brave!  It's a
wonder the Rottweilers didn't turn on you."  Until that moment, I
hadn't even thought of how dangerous the whole thing was.  All I could
think about was getting the cat out of there and to a vet.  Oh and
BTW, there was a guy in the lobby with a Rottweiler on a leash.

They put me in a room with the doctor and I gave him the story.  I
told him the cat is definitely going to need IV fluids, X-Rays and
treated for shock.  The vet agreed with me, and told me it was an old
cat, probably 12-13 and they would need to also run some blood tests
too.  Then he asked the question.

"Are you going to assume financial responsibility for this cat?"

After a pause, I told him that I didn't know.  It wasn't even my cat,
and I didn't even know who or where the owner was.  The doctor said he
would bring back an estimate.  The estimate was almost $1100.  I told
the doctor that I didn't have that kind of money and I would go to
back to the house and try to contact the owner.  The doctor said that
was fine, but they needed a deposit of a couple hundred dollars so
they could start treatment on the cat.

Now one side of me is screaming, "It's an injured cat!  Can't you tell
this cat needs immediate help and you need money upfront before you
can do anything?  You don't go into a human ER and are asked if you
can pay before they treat you.  You took an oath to help injured
animals!"

But the other side, the side that is a vet student and vet technician
is saying to myself.   "Kristi, that's normal protocol.
Unfortunately, this is also a business, and they can't just give
treatment to a pet and then have the owner not pay.  You work in a vet
hospital and know how much things cost."

So I grit my teeth and pull out my Visa.  I can't just let the cat sit
there in an oxygen box without anything else.  So I put $200 deposit
and I'm praying in the back of my head that the owner will pay me
back.

I go back to the house and sit on the porch waiting for the owner to
show up.   After an hour and a half, I decide to leave a note with my
phone number.  I'm in the middle of writing it, when a car pulls up.
It's the owner.  I explain the matter to him, and we go inside so he
can call the clinic.  But when I showed him the estimate, he sighed
and said, "I have no money.  I got laid off, so I'm only working part
time and I'm selling the house.  Besides, the cat was a stray that
adopted us when we first bought the house.  My 76 year old roommate
really cares for her; and she just started a part time job cause she's
not getting enough from Social Security."

So he calls the clinic and talks to them.  He then comes out and tells
me that the cat is calmer but her back legs aren't working right.   He
tells me he gets paid on Friday and whether he's going to get the
money himself or from his roommate he is definitely going to pay me
back.

*sigh*

So, I've done all that I can.  The adrenaline has worn off and
everything is sinking in now.  I fended off two Rottweilers that could
have turned on me.  I picked up an injured cat that could have ripped
me to shreds.  I put down $200 to start treatment  and only hope that
this guy keeps his word.

All to save a cat that's not even mine.  

I've gotten word that the cat has a dislocated hip and at least a
broken rib or two, but currently she is stable and doing well.

Kristi
Sherry - 06 May 2004 05:27 GMT
>So I grit my teeth and pull out my Visa.  I can't just let the cat sit
>there in an oxygen box without anything else.

Oh, Lordy. We must be twins separated at birth.
Sherry
Karen Chuplis - 06 May 2004 05:51 GMT
I guess you were so authoritative and angry, with no thought of fear that
the dogs listened. I'm so glad that turned out ok. I hope that all turns out
OK on the rest of this. Poor cat :(  Life is NOT fair. I HATE people who let
their dogs loose. If I were you, I would *also* contact animal control and
report the incident. Someone needs to be on the lookout before it's a
toddler in the Rott's mouth. I'm so glad you are ok and say you are a better
man than I Ghunga Din, because I don't know that I could have done that.

Karen
polonca12000 - 06 May 2004 22:40 GMT
I agree with you, Karen. Dogs should not be out without supervision, but
since they were, the owner(s) of the dogs should at least pay the vet bill.
Best wishes,
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<snip> I HATE people who let
> their dogs loose. If I were you, I would *also* contact animal control and
> report the incident. Someone needs to be on the lookout before it's a
> toddler in the Rott's mouth. I'm so glad you are ok and say you are a better
> man than I Ghunga Din, because I don't know that I could have done that.
>
> Karen
:-\) Liz - 06 May 2004 05:57 GMT
Sheeez, are you sure you aren't related to me...say my twin?...I've done
quite similar.... once I bonked the dog(Sharpei) with my purse and the other
time(BIG German Shepard/Heitz) with the mop I'd just bought......Got snarled
at by the Sharpei....got stuck with the $500 doc bill but I found and still
have a good friend....the other time, alas,,,,, the kitty didn't make
it:-( Liz

> > All to save a cat that's not even mine.
>
> I've gotten word that the cat has a dislocated hip and at least a
> broken rib or two, but currently she is stable and doing well.
>
> Kristi
Yoj - 06 May 2004 06:48 GMT
You're my hero too, Misti.

--
Joy

Life is what happens to you while you are planning to do something else.

> Sheeez, are you sure you aren't related to me...say my twin?...I've done
> quite similar.... once I bonked the dog(Sharpei) with my purse and the other
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> >
> > Kristi
Mischief - 06 May 2004 15:25 GMT
> Sheeez, are you sure you aren't related to me...say my twin?...I've done
> quite similar.... once I bonked the dog(Sharpei) with my purse and the other
> time(BIG German Shepard/Heitz) with the mop I'd just bought......Got snarled
> at by the Sharpei....got stuck with the $500 doc bill but I found and still
> have a good friend....the other time, alas,,,,, the kitty didn't make
> it:-( Liz

So, you also saved kitties from dogs?  Way to go!  Really gets the
adrenaline going, huh?  So sorry to hear that one of them didn't make
it.  My friends do say I'm a little crazy, and this definitely ranks
up there.

Definitely will keep everyone posted.

Kristi
Marina - 06 May 2004 06:35 GMT
> Here's the long version about the cat I saved.

Kudos to you for what you did, that was very brave. I don't think I would
have had the gutrs to take on two Rotties. Please keep us updated about the
cat (and the vet bill).

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Helen Wheels - 06 May 2004 06:40 GMT
> Here's the long version about the cat I saved.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> of the Rotts prancing next to the other, who has something in its
> mouth and is shaking it.  It was a gray cat.

Wow, good for you... I can't see how a cat lover could do
anything else though. I really hope the little grey fellow makes
it and finds someone who can look after the bill.
Helen Wheels
Yoj - 06 May 2004 06:48 GMT
You are my hero, Misti.  Okay, I believe that you didn't think about
being scared when you attacked the dogs.  In a crisis situation, you
don't think; you react.  But you thought about it when you pulled out
your Visa.  And the fact that you went after the dogs like that proves
the kind of person you are.  The kind I would like to have for a friend.

--
Joy

Life is what happens to you while you are planning to do something else.

> Here's the long version about the cat I saved.
>
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>
> Kristi
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 06 May 2004 09:27 GMT
[snip tale]

> So, I've done all that I can.  The adrenaline has worn off and
> everything is sinking in now.  I fended off two Rottweilers that could
> have turned on me.  I picked up an injured cat that could have ripped
> me to shreds.  I put down $200 to start treatment  and only hope that
> this guy keeps his word.

> All to save a cat that's not even mine.  

You're a hero!! That was very courageous, quick-thinking, and generous
of you. I hope the guy keeps his word, and that someone will be able to
help him and his roommate pay the full bill. Poor kitty!

Joyce
JP Hobbs - 06 May 2004 11:16 GMT
Kristi, make no mistake you *are*very brave,I've beenina similar situation
myself, not with an animal
but a human in a burning car, and you do *not* think of the danger its just
something that has to be done, you
are an angel of mercy too, some people would have been content to drop puss
at the vets and leave the owners address, but not you. huge Purrs to this
poor old cat
fancy having that happen at his\ her age, any age of
course but its like an elderly person that gets attacked.
I've never been overly fond of rotties they can be
very vicious not all I know, but a big percentage.
I can't imagine how frightened that little cat must have been, and thank God
you happened along with your
brave spirit. I hope the cat recovers, and I hope you get your money back.
Purrs and Hugs to you  Jean.P.

> Here's the long version about the cat I saved.
>
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>
> Kristi
John Biltz - 06 May 2004 12:44 GMT
> Kristi, make no mistake you *are*very brave,I've beenina similar situation
> myself, not with an animal but a human in a burning car, and you do *not*
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> happened along with your brave spirit. I hope the cat recovers, and I hope
> you get your money back. Purrs and Hugs to you  Jean.P.

The trouble with the big dogs is not so much that they are mean dogs they
just have such a potential for doing damage that they are dangerous. When
something does happen it is often a horror story on the news.  A small
dog may be and often are meaner but a bite is an annoyance with little
real damage and infection the greatest danger.  Beef that same dog up to
five times its size and you have a real danger.  Beef a cat up to five
times its size and you have a leopard or mountain lion.  I don't think I
would want to live with Maya or Bruiser if they weighed 80 to 100 pounds.
Little tyrants are bad enough, big tyrants would be unbearable. I think
if I was the cat's owner I would make a real effort to find those dogs'
owner and give them the bill.  The truth is they are legally and morally
responsible for what happened.  Really more responsible than the dogs.  I
bet the kids in that neighborhood know where the dogs live if they are
from that neighborhood.
MizKrysti - 06 May 2004 17:02 GMT
>Subject: Re: What would you do to save a cat? (VERY LONG)
>From: John Biltz biltzjohn@cox.net

in a burning car, and you do *not*

>The trouble with the big dogs is not so much that they are mean dogs they
>just have such a potential for doing damage that they are dangerous. When
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>bet the kids in that neighborhood know where the dogs live if they are
>from that neighborhood.

John makes several really good points! It is not that these dogs were
particularly vicious ( I noticed a mention that a smaller dog joined in, but
everyone is commenting on the Big Dogs). The courts recognize that owners are
responsible for the actions of their pets. Particularly dogs who've shown
aggression, and are running free to form packs. And, as John points out -
finding a dog owner in a neighborhood is pretty easy. I bet any kid will tell
you - teenager might not, they tend to assume any adult wanting info is the
enemy - but if you are in the area when the middle school or grade school bus
drops off the kids, you can ask them. AND, since so many parents now stand at
the stops and wait for their kids, you can let the parents know what happened.
That will absolutely get a response for the owners of those dogs to get a
better fence! Once you know where they live, get an address, and ask the Vet
how to proceed - either the one you work for or the one caring for Graykitty.
                                     
MizKrysti
Kreisleriana - 06 May 2004 19:21 GMT
>> Kristi, make no mistake you *are*very brave,I've beenina similar situation
>> myself, not with an animal but a human in a burning car, and you do *not*
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>The trouble with the big dogs is not so much that they are mean dogs they
>just have such a potential for doing damage that they are dangerous.

This is exactly why it drives me crazy when I hear about people
behaving in foolish ways around large, powerful wild animals, as we
hear so often these days-- here's the latest:
<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/china_animals_lion>

When the tiger injured Roy of Siegfried and Roy last year, they
protested so much that the cat didn't mean to hurt him.  OK, assuming
for the sake of argument, that the cat *didn't* mean to hurt him, what
else would you eventually expect to happen with a 400-lb animal with
killing instincts, big muscles, and REALLY BIG teeth and claws?

I think of my own darling little Stinky--  the biggest creampuff sissy
softy pansycat in the world.  He has cartoon hearts and flowers
circling around his head.  For all outward appearances, he is nothing
but love and sweetness and benevolence, and I believe he really is. ;)

*But the mice still die.*

Theresa
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Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal
claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful.
(Aldous Huxley)
John F. Eldredge - 06 May 2004 21:45 GMT
>>> Kristi, make no mistake you *are*very brave,I've beenina similar
>>> situation  myself, not with an animal but a human in a burning
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
><http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/china_animals_lio
>n>  

Poor kid!  Fifty stitches indicate some fairly severe injuries, and
it will take quite some time for them to heal completely.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 06 May 2004 23:24 GMT
> Beef a cat up to five times its size and you have a leopard or mountain
> lion.  I don't think I would want to live with Maya or Bruiser if they
> weighed 80 to 100 pounds.

LOL, I often reflect on the fact that if I were 6 inches tall, my beloved
Roxy and Smudge (and certainly Licorice) would be happy to tear me to
shreds. No, we don't need 100 pound housecats!! :)

> I think if I was the cat's owner I would make a real effort to find
> those dogs' owner and give them the bill.  The truth is they are legally
> and morally responsible for what happened.  Really more responsible
> than the dogs. I bet the kids in that neighborhood know where the dogs
> live if they are from that neighborhood.

This is an excellent point and a good suggestion. Definitely those dogs'
owners should foot the bill!

Joyce
Mischief - 07 May 2004 00:29 GMT
I'm so honored that people here are offering to donate money to help
this cat.  I'll call the guy today when I get home and let him know
there are people that can help.

I wish I could have found the dogs' owners.  It's funny that I
initially was there because I was trying to follow the dogs to see if
they did have owners.  Once the cat became in danger, I didn't care
about the dogs.  From what a witness said, they just ran off, so who
knows where they went.  it's really tough, in that split second when I
picked up the cat.  What should I do about the dogs?  Stray dogs or
injured cat?  Both are potentially at risk, but I'm sure you'll all
agree that I couldn't just leave the poor kitty.  I might have been
crazy to fend off the two Rotties, but I'm not that stupid to try and
chase them.  What would I do if I caught them?  Put them in my car?
*sheesh*

The kitty got picked up by her owner this morning, and was doing fine
when I called.  I'm going to give the guy a call tonight and see if I
can find out how the kitty is doing.

Cheers,

Kristi
Susan M - 07 May 2004 02:09 GMT
> The kitty got picked up by her owner this morning, and was doing fine
> when I called.  I'm going to give the guy a call tonight and see if I
> can find out how the kitty is doing.

Thanks for the update - I'm glad she was doing ok today.  I too would be
willing to pitch in a bit for Grayness.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Seanette Blaylock - 07 May 2004 05:48 GMT
John Biltz <biltzjohn@cox.net> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: What would you do to save a cat? (VERY LONG):

>The trouble with the big dogs is not so much that they are mean dogs they
>just have such a potential for doing damage that they are dangerous. When
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>bet the kids in that neighborhood know where the dogs live if they are
>from that neighborhood.

IMO the biggest problem with the so-called "dangerous" breeds is that
they got popular among those macho morons who think they're more manly
if they have a mean dog, so they abuse the dog into viciousness.

My family raised Dobermans. Biggest problem we had with any we'd
raised was their inability to understand when they'd outgrown curling
up in laps.

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Sherry - 07 May 2004 06:27 GMT
>>The trouble with the big dogs is not so much that they are mean dogs they
>>just have such a potential for doing damage that they are dangerous. When
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>they got popular among those macho morons who think they're more manly
>if they have a mean dog, so they abuse the dog into viciousness.

Some Dobermans/Rotts don't have to be abused into visciousness--they are the
result of deliberate poor breeding. I agree with John. It isn't that little
dogs aren't viscious, too, but it's not likely a dachshund is going to send
someone to the hospital. My liability insurance specifically excludes certain
dog breeds; I am pretty sure Dobies and Rotts are among them.
Sherry
Seanette Blaylock - 07 May 2004 07:02 GMT
sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) had some very interesting things to
say about Re: What would you do to save a cat? (VERY LONG):

>>IMO the biggest problem with the so-called "dangerous" breeds is that
>>they got popular among those macho morons who think they're more manly
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>someone to the hospital. My liability insurance specifically excludes certain
>dog breeds; I am pretty sure Dobies and Rotts are among them.

You're right that some do have innate problems, but that comes up in
*any* breed, especially ones that are subject to poor breeding
practices. I still think the majority of such cases are caused by
abusive owners, though.

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Cheryl - 08 May 2004 01:29 GMT
> My family raised Dobermans. Biggest problem we had with any we'd
> raised was their inability to understand when they'd outgrown curling
> up in laps.

Another dog I like! I have to say though, that I had a bad experience with
one and it's enough to practically scar you for life. A boyfriend of mine
when I was in my teens had one (family dog) and I was at their house one
day waiting for him (no one else was home) and the doby was apparently
having a false pregnancy. She came after me and I could barely get a door
between us before she attacked me. It wasn't even the proper door for the
doorway between us, but a closet door next to the doorway so there was
still an opening. I don't remember too many details after that but someone
came home shortly after her attack.

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Tanada - 08 May 2004 02:34 GMT
> IMO the biggest problem with the so-called "dangerous" breeds is that
> they got popular among those macho morons who think they're more manly
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> raised was their inability to understand when they'd outgrown curling
> up in laps.

I understand that my SIL has the same problem with her Great Danes.

Pam S.
Kreisleriana - 08 May 2004 14:47 GMT
>> IMO the biggest problem with the so-called "dangerous" breeds is that
>> they got popular among those macho morons who think they're more manly
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Pam S.

I knew someone who had to watch out when opening the freezer-- her
Great Dane would always be standing behind her, and the door would bop
him on the head.

Theresa
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Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal
claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful.
(Aldous Huxley)
Yowie - 09 May 2004 00:22 GMT
> John Biltz <biltzjohn@cox.net> had some very interesting things to say
> about Re: What would you do to save a cat? (VERY LONG):
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> raised was their inability to understand when they'd outgrown curling
> up in laps.

LOL! Fluffy has that same problem!

Fluffy is a fairly big, mostly black dog. With an impressive set of teeth
and a growl to match. She's single handedly stopped pizza from being
delivered to our house till she was safely put away into the garage and the
delivery man felt safe again. But I also know that she'd run a mile and
cower under anythign available if said pizza man (or anyone else) broke in
[1]. She's not exactly an *agressive* dog (the exact opposite actually, a
great soppy love-bug), although she can put on a heck of a show. Which I
guess is better than nothing.

[1] One day we were got stuck a bit too far from home and had to spend the
night away. So we rang my mother to feed the critters inthe morning. Fluffy
doens't know my mother well, so when Mum came into the house, instead of
defending her territory, my dear old Fluff managed to stuff herself under a
very small table and shook with fright as Mum put down her food. This is how
I know Fluff is a pretty useless guard dog while we are out. But when we are
in, she does do the great big tough woof-woof-grrrr-woof at the door if
anyone is there. Just as long as they don't come in, she's as tough as old
nails!

Yowie
Yoj - 09 May 2004 02:21 GMT
> > John Biltz <biltzjohn@cox.net> had some very interesting things to say
> > about Re: What would you do to save a cat? (VERY LONG):
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
>
> Yowie

Fluffy's behavior reminds me of Pepper, a miniature schnauzer we used to
have.  I once had a repair man come to work on my kitchen stove.  The
whole time the man was in the house, she cowered behind me, pressed up
against the back of my legs, and trembled.  When he left, the minute I
locked the screen door, she began throwing herself against the door and
roaring.

Joy
Annie Wxill - 06 May 2004 13:16 GMT
...> So, I've done all that I can.  The adrenaline has worn off and
> everything is sinking in now.  I fended off two Rottweilers that could
> have turned on me.  I picked up an injured cat that could have ripped
> me to shreds.  I put down $200 to start treatment  and only hope that
> this guy keeps his word.
...>
> I've gotten word that the cat has a dislocated hip and at least a
> broken rib or two, but currently she is stable and doing well.
>
> Kristi

Kristi,
That was quite an adventure! I'm glad you weren't hurt.  Also, that is some
tough cat. Please keep us up to date on the situation. If you could arrange
it with the vet and then post here how to contact the vet, some of us might
be able to make a donation toward the cat's treatment.
Annie
Christine Burel - 06 May 2004 13:40 GMT
> ...> So, I've done all that I can.  The adrenaline has worn off and
> > everything is sinking in now.  I fended off two Rottweilers that could
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> be able to make a donation toward the cat's treatment.
> Annie

Kristi -- If this is possible, I would make a donation towards this kitty.
Btw, you are my hero -- my mother is very into politics and the presidential
race these days; I tell her these aren't the people who matter and who I
believe in -- it's people like you, Kristi.  Hugs and kudos.
And purrs for the little kitty.
Christine
JBHajos - 06 May 2004 15:01 GMT
>Kristi -- If this is possible, I would make a donation towards this kitty.

    Me too!!!!!

    Jeanne
Cheryl - 07 May 2004 04:00 GMT
>>Kristi -- If this is possible, I would make a donation towards this
>>kitty.
>
>      Me too!!!!!
>
>      Jeanne

Me too!       

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Yowie - 07 May 2004 05:00 GMT
> >Kristi -- If this is possible, I would make a donation towards this kitty.
>
>      Me too!!!!!

Me too. It won't be much, but it all helps. If you can post/catslaves/e-mail
the address and the contact details of the vet and the account, I'll be able
to give a bit.

Yowie
Karen Chuplis - 06 May 2004 13:54 GMT
> ...> So, I've done all that I can.  The adrenaline has worn off and
>> everything is sinking in now.  I fended off two Rottweilers that could
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> be able to make a donation toward the cat's treatment.
> Annie

AGreed.

Karen
LOL - 07 May 2004 04:44 GMT
(snippage along in here)

If you could arrange
> it with the vet and then post here how to contact the vet, some of us might
> be able to make a donation toward the cat's treatment.
> Annie

I would also be willing to donate for this - good thinking, Annie.
:-)

That was a heroic thing you did, Kristi!  We are sending healing purrs
to the kitty, and hope-it-all-works-out purrs for everyone involved.

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Victor Martinez - 06 May 2004 14:00 GMT
> Here's the long version about the cat I saved.

You are a good and brave woman. I too would risk my safety to save a
cat. I could probably seriously injure man or animal in order to save a cat.

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Mischief - 06 May 2004 15:27 GMT
Oh and I found out the name of the kitty

She's light gray mottled with tan, and since she adopted the guy and
his roommate, they've been calling her Grayness.  :)

Will keep everyone posted on the kitty's status.

Kristi
Cheryl - 07 May 2004 04:03 GMT
> Oh and I found out the name of the kitty
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Kristi

She's a dilute tortie. Yes, keep us posted. Sounds like a collection is a
doable thing here for her wellbeing. Can you keep her?  :)

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John F. Eldredge - 30 May 2004 19:48 GMT
>> Oh and I found out the name of the kitty
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>She's a dilute tortie. Yes, keep us posted. Sounds like a collection
>is a  doable thing here for her wellbeing. Can you keep her?  :)

Grayness looks rather like my cat, Cinders, although Cinders has a
lower percentage of tan.  Grayness and Cinders both look like they
might have some Russian Blue ancestry, judging from fur and eye color
(Cinder's eyes are olive green; I can't tell the exact shade of
Grayness' eyes from the photo, since they reflect the flash).

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Pixie Dust 413 - 06 May 2004 16:24 GMT
[sniff]  You're my hero!

PixieDust413
Ginger-lyn Summer - 06 May 2004 18:16 GMT
>Here's the long version about the cat I saved.

Wow.  That's all I can say.  You're amazing!  And that cat is very
lucky you were there.

Ginger-lyn
jmcquown - 06 May 2004 18:47 GMT
The question should be, "What *wouldn't* you do to save a cat?"

You were very brave going up against a couple of rotties, but then again,
when the adrenaline starts pumping, who stops to think?  God bless you!

Jill

> Here's the long version about the cat I saved.
>
[quoted text clipped - 102 lines]
>
> Kristi
Kreisleriana - 06 May 2004 18:59 GMT
>The question should be, "What *wouldn't* you do to save a cat?"
>
>You were very brave going up against a couple of rotties, but then again,
>when the adrenaline starts pumping, who stops to think?  God bless you!

I'm also sorry to read about such bad, untrained, uncontrolled
rotties.  I know several sweet, lovable rotties with cat friends, and
I know that the Rottweiler breed has enough problems without more
incidents like this, for which I blame the owners.  Not training them
properly and not controlling them is not exactly loving to the dogs
either.

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Cheryl - 07 May 2004 04:06 GMT
> I'm also sorry to read about such bad, untrained, uncontrolled
> rotties.  I know several sweet, lovable rotties with cat friends, and
> I know that the Rottweiler breed has enough problems without more
> incidents like this, for which I blame the owners.  Not training them
> properly and not controlling them is not exactly loving to the dogs
> either.

I also know several and they are sweeties. The tail thing, though, has to
go!  lol They can clear a table top in 2 seconds flat. Every rottie I've
ever met was a big lovable teddy bear. It makes me sad that some train them
to be aggressive.

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Kreisleriana - 07 May 2004 04:13 GMT
>> I'm also sorry to read about such bad, untrained, uncontrolled
>> rotties.  I know several sweet, lovable rotties with cat friends, and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>ever met was a big lovable teddy bear. It makes me sad that some train them
>to be aggressive.

Carl, the babysitting dog in the popular children's books, is a
Rottweiler.  

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Yowie - 07 May 2004 05:04 GMT
> >The question should be, "What *wouldn't* you do to save a cat?"
> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> properly and not controlling them is not exactly loving to the dogs
> either.

Agreed. Bowie the rottie was the (2nd) sweetest most gentlelest dog I"ve
ever known (Fluff being the first). But I wouldn't have like dot have got on
her bad side, she was exceedingly protective of her family, and I have no
doubt she could kill if she had to. To go against not one but two rotties is
either badness or extreme bravery! (perhaps both!). YOu shoudl be very proud
of yourself, Kristi, and the owners of said dogs should have the book thrown
at them. All dogs shoudl be under control when out in public, *especially*
big dogs like rotties.

Yowie
jmcquown - 07 May 2004 18:39 GMT
>> The question should be, "What *wouldn't* you do to save a cat?"
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Theresa

True, Theresa... same thing with pit bulls.  They aren't mean unless you
train them to be.  But, dogs will be dogs and I guess that means they go
after cats.  Still, sounds like they shouldn't have been running loose.

My tiny (RB) mutt dog Sampson literally broke his leash to chase after a
loose German shepherd that was trotting down the street, and of course I was
chasing my dog who was chasing that dog!  It wouldn't have been comical had
the close to 70 lb. g'shep not simply looked at my 10 lb. dog and said in
his best doggy imitation of W.C. Fields, "Go away, kid, you bother me." :o)

Jill
Kreisleriana - 07 May 2004 19:25 GMT
>>> The question should be, "What *wouldn't* you do to save a cat?"
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>True, Theresa... same thing with pit bulls.  They aren't mean unless you
>train them to be.

Pit bulls are the default family doggie in my neighborhood.  There
were so many orphans and abandonments after the first pit bull craze,
that bull blood established itself firmly in the local gene pool.
Practically every shelter and rescue dog here is at least part pit
bull.  If they decided to outlaw them here, they would have to rip
them away from screaming, crying children (and their parents).

> But, dogs will be dogs and I guess that means they go
>after cats.  Still, sounds like they shouldn't have been running loose.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>the close to 70 lb. g'shep not simply looked at my 10 lb. dog and said in
>his best doggy imitation of W.C. Fields, "Go away, kid, you bother me." :o)

Similarly, I saw three little Jack Russells working themselves up into
conniptions over a serenely passing Golden, recently.  It sounded like
a zoo!   As John said, we don't expect to get hurt by the little guys,
so we never bothered to breed the aggression out of them.  But bigger
dogs really do seem to p*ss them off. ;)

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John F. Eldredge - 07 May 2004 21:04 GMT
>Similarly, I saw three little Jack Russells working themselves up
>into conniptions over a serenely passing Golden, recently.  It
>sounded like a zoo!   As John said, we don't expect to get hurt by
>the little guys, so we never bothered to breed the aggression out of
>them.  But bigger dogs really do seem to p*ss them off. ;)

I have heard a joke that Chihuahuas are aggressive because they
remember that their ancestors were big dogs, and they are ticked off
at not being big dogs themselves.

I got a good laugh once at a Shih Tzu who was barking fiercely at a
Great Dane.  The Great Dane was paying no attention whatsoever.

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Kreisleriana - 07 May 2004 22:35 GMT
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>remember that their ancestors were big dogs, and they are ticked off
>at not being big dogs themselves.

Same with Pekingese.

>I got a good laugh once at a Shih Tzu who was barking fiercely at a
>Great Dane.  The Great Dane was paying no attention whatsoever.

Seems to happen all the time.  A friend's big Golden, Boswell, had
tons more trouble with little dogs wanting to throw down with him than
dogs his own size.  Boswell, typical Golden, had no conception of
self-defense.

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Marina - 08 May 2004 03:36 GMT
> >I have heard a joke that Chihuahuas are aggressive because they
> >remember that their ancestors were big dogs, and they are ticked off
> >at not being big dogs themselves.
>
> Same with Pekingese.

I've told this story before, but there are enough new people here for me to
tell it again. One time I was sitting in TED's waiting room with Frank and
Nikki, awaiting our turn. I heard some vet techs talking agitatedly to each
other, saying "you go in," "no you go in," no, it's too fierce," "well, I'm
not doing it." Finally they agreed to wait for the owner who had popped out
while waiting for his d*g. Apparently, he was the only one who could control
his d*g. The owner arrived, a huge tall man. They showed him into the office
where his d*g was. I waited a bit nervously, wondering what kind of monster
dog the size of a horse he would come out with, and how I would protect the
cats if it went for them. Then the door opened... and the man came out
carrying a Pekingese.

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Cheryl - 08 May 2004 04:04 GMT
> Apparently, he was the only one who could control
> his d*g. The owner arrived, a huge tall man. They showed him into the
> office where his d*g was. I waited a bit nervously, wondering what
> kind of monster dog the size of a horse he would come out with, and
> how I would protect the cats if it went for them. Then the door
> opened... and the man came out carrying a Pekingese.

LOL

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Karen Chuplis - 08 May 2004 05:06 GMT
>>> I have heard a joke that Chihuahuas are aggressive because they
>>> remember that their ancestors were big dogs, and they are ticked off
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> cats if it went for them. Then the door opened... and the man came out
> carrying a Pekingese.

ROFL!!!!
Cathi - 08 May 2004 07:34 GMT
>Seems to happen all the time.  A friend's big Golden, Boswell, had
>tons more trouble with little dogs wanting to throw down with him than
>dogs his own size.  Boswell, typical Golden, had no conception of
>self-defense.

I used to dog-sit a very docile Lab-Alsatian cross.  When taking him for
walks, I'd regularly run into the local little old lady with a yapping
upholstered rat on a lead.  She was always convinced that my nasty, big,
scary dog would eat her preciously little fluffball, whilst her precious
little fluffball was in fact leaping around trying to get a bite at
Feller's neck. Feller was as good as gold.
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Seanette Blaylock - 08 May 2004 10:05 GMT
Cathi <Cathi@nospamplease.seasalter0.demon.co.uk> had some very
interesting things to say about Re: What would you do to save a cat?
(VERY LONG):

>>Seems to happen all the time.  A friend's big Golden, Boswell, had
>>tons more trouble with little dogs wanting to throw down with him than
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>little fluffball was in fact leaping around trying to get a bite at
>Feller's neck. Feller was as good as gold.

IME, bigger dogs are generally calmer and more intelligent. One reason
I prefer the bigger ones. [OK, Dave Y's dachshunds are very nice dogs,
especially for their breed. :-)]

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Kreisleriana - 08 May 2004 15:02 GMT
>>Seems to happen all the time.  A friend's big Golden, Boswell, had
>>tons more trouble with little dogs wanting to throw down with him than
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>walks, I'd regularly run into the local little old lady with a yapping
>upholstered rat on a lead.

LOL.  My cousin has a teeny-yappy dog (she calls it "the snooze alarm
on my biological clock").  My dad calls it "Rat-On-A-Rope." ;)

I think that some effort has gone, into the years, into breeding large
dogs for temperament, since many of them would be dangerous if they
were crabby or nasty.  But nobody's afraid of little dogs, so
terriers, et. al, continue to be very high-energy little tyrants. ;)

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Tanada - 08 May 2004 22:14 GMT
> LOL.  My cousin has a teeny-yappy dog (she calls it "the snooze alarm
> on my biological clock").  My dad calls it "Rat-On-A-Rope." ;)

Thanks, I really need a laugh today.  "Rat-On-A-Rope."  That is way TOO
funny.  Please thank your dad, I now know that to call them.

Pam S. who has "killer pup" (a little chihuahua named Bucky) living next
door
Yowie - 09 May 2004 00:28 GMT
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> dogs his own size.  Boswell, typical Golden, had no conception of
> self-defense.

I have a friend who has a chihuaua crossed with *something*, its a *tiny*
dog. But its such a bully and it *terrorises* Fluffy who could snap its
ratty little neck without even trying. Sometimes I wish Fluff would have a
*little* more backbone, but if she did I guess she wouldn't be such a
Fluffy-dog.

Yowie
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 07 May 2004 23:13 GMT
> I got a good laugh once at a Shih Tzu who was barking fiercely at a
> Great Dane.  The Great Dane was paying no attention whatsoever.

Well, 72 out of 79... what do you expect? :) **

Joyce

** This refers to a ranking some dog-fancier group did on dog
intelligence according to breed. Border collies were #1, the smartest.
There were 79 breeds ranked, and Shih Tzus came in at #72.
Jo Firey - 08 May 2004 01:37 GMT
>  > I got a good laugh once at a Shih Tzu who was barking fiercely at a
>  > Great Dane.  The Great Dane was paying no attention whatsoever.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> intelligence according to breed. Border collies were #1, the smartest.
> There were 79 breeds ranked, and Shih Tzus came in at #72.

Which is why my husband wants a Border collie, and I do not.  I'd like a dog
that is smart enough to be trained, but not one that has to be kept amused
24/7 or will resort to amusing itself.

Jo
Sherry - 08 May 2004 03:43 GMT
>Which is why my husband wants a Border collie, and I do not.  I'd like a dog
>that is smart enough to be trained, but not one that has to be kept amused
>24/7 or will resort to amusing itself.
>
>Jo

Oh, man. Border Collies are high-maintenance dogs. They have to have a job. If
they don't have a job, they start doing all kinds of destructive things because
they're bored. We just got one returned to the shelter this week because he was
eating their house in his spare time.

Sherry
Hopitus2 - 08 May 2004 04:29 GMT
Well, I dunno about eating the house, but our next-door neighbor had for
years a border collie, sweet female, friendly, now at RB......the d-pet
would, if I or anyone else was in such a mood, chase a thrown stick or ball
for literally hours on end, tirelessly. It used to run like the tv shows
where the dog is herding cattle or sheep together, although "fierce" is not
a term I would have used to describe her. She wasn't "yappy" either.

: >Which is why my husband wants a Border collie, and I do not.  I'd like a dog
: >that is smart enough to be trained, but not one that has to be kept amused
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
:
: Sherry
Sherry - 08 May 2004 04:39 GMT
>Well, I dunno about eating the house, but our next-door neighbor had for
>years a border collie, sweet female, friendly, now at RB......the d-pet
>would, if I or anyone else was in such a mood, chase a thrown stick or ball
>for literally hours on end, tirelessly. It used to run like the tv shows
>where the dog is herding cattle or sheep together, although "fierce" is not
>a term I would have used to describe her. She wasn't "yappy" either.

They're really sweet dogs. Just high-energy and smart. The people who adopted
this one weren't bad people; they just didn't know much about dogs and IMO not
a lifestyle suited for a BC. They thought the dog would be happy spending 12
hours alone in the backyard while they were at work. She got bored and started
eating the vinyl siding off their home. IMO, the shelter personnel did the dog
a real injustice by not counseling the prospectives.
Also a bit of trivia I've heard about BC's--they are notorious car-chasers and
known for getting run over if loose--they try to "herd" the automobile much
like they'd herd a sheep--by cutting in front of it. Amazing how a dog who
never saw a sheep does that--all those generations of herding ancestors comes
out.
Sherry
Hopitus2 - 08 May 2004 05:57 GMT
Ah, what saved Sandy from getting run over was probably the fact we live on
a *very* long, dead-end street at the very cul-de-sac, and there is no
traffic except the residents here.
Sandy lived her entire life w/o ever seeing a real life sheep or cow, so I
guess the tennis-ball chasing was a sub for her "herding" instincts.

: >Well, I dunno about eating the house, but our next-door neighbor had for
: >years a border collie, sweet female, friendly, now at RB......the d-pet
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
: out.
: Sherry
CK - 08 May 2004 09:10 GMT
> Also a bit of trivia I've heard about BC's--they are notorious car-chasers and
> known for getting run over if loose--they try to "herd" the automobile much
> like they'd herd a sheep--by cutting in front of it. Amazing how a dog who
> never saw a sheep does that--all those generations of herding ancestors comes
> out.
> Sherry

We used to have an Old English Sheepdog when I was a kid. She was like a
furry little sister to my bro and me. But kennel-bred tho she was, she
still had the herding instincts down pat. We used to rent a country
cottage together with a neighbor family who also had a dog, a boxer
(*not* a herding breed). When these two doggies were still only
youngsters (some 2-3 yrs old), they used to herd the local farmer's cows
like old pro's - one behind the herd and the other on one side, then
switching the one on the side to the back of the herd and the other to
the other side. Nobody had taught them that, especially not the boxer.
We believed that our sheepdog had taught the boxer how to do it. It went
as far as that the farmer's boys who were supposed to herd the cows came
asking us if they could borrow our dogs... :)

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Kreisleriana - 08 May 2004 14:55 GMT
>>Well, I dunno about eating the house, but our next-door neighbor had for
>>years a border collie, sweet female, friendly, now at RB......the d-pet
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>out.
>Sherry

The herding instinct is pretty much their hunting instinct, and if
they're not really trained properly, they just chase stuff like crazy.

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Sherry - 08 May 2004 17:47 GMT
>The herding instinct is pretty much their hunting instinct, and if
>they're not really trained properly, they just chase stuff like crazy.
>
>Theresa

I bet so, too. I imagine they are notorious cat-chasers. Doxies and Terriers
seem to be, probably from their ancestry of hunting small animals. Happy chased
cats, but only the ones that would actually run. If the cat didn't run, he just
looked at it out of the corner of his eye, really cute expression.

Sherry
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 09 May 2004 00:59 GMT
>> The herding instinct is pretty much their hunting instinct, and if
>> they're not really trained properly, they just chase stuff like crazy.
>>
>> Theresa
>
> I bet so, too. I imagine they are notorious cat-chasers.

A friend of mine has a Corgi mix (also a herder) and the two of us
would often take him out for a long walk very, very late at night.
Because it was so late, she would let him walk off-leash. He was
actually pretty well-trained and would wait at corners until we
caught up. He also stayed away from any people who happened to be
prowling the streets at the same time, if she told him to "stay
off". But if he saw a cat, he was off like a maniac after it. My
friend never tried to stop him, although I tried to persuade her
to do so. She felt it was one of his joys in life and didn't want to
deprive him of it, and she didn't think he'd really hurt a cat (I
wasn't so sure). Usually the cats just got away, occasionally he'd
corner one and end up with a scratched nose or foot. Eventually
she decided to keep him on a leash because he was getting beaten
up by too many cats. Good for them!

Joyce
Sherry - 09 May 2004 03:31 GMT
> She felt it was one of his joys in life and didn't want to
>deprive him of it, and she didn't think he'd really hurt a cat (I
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Joyce

I think I"ve told this story before, but I was curious the reason Happy never
chased cats that stood their ground. He'd lay down and roll his big old brown
eyes up at them. DH theorized he thought the cats that didn't run from him
probably had a gun.

Sherry
Yowie - 09 May 2004 22:23 GMT
> > She felt it was one of his joys in life and didn't want to
> >deprive him of it, and she didn't think he'd really hurt a cat (I
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> eyes up at them. DH theorized he thought the cats that didn't run from him
> probably had a gun.

Its prolly the same instinct that makes greyhounds chase after the "rabbit"
but otherwise be complete couch potatoes. If its moving, chase/herd/hunt it,
if its not moving, its not on their "radar".

Yowie
Yowie - 09 May 2004 00:33 GMT
> >Well, I dunno about eating the house, but our next-door neighbor had for
> >years a border collie, sweet female, friendly, now at RB......the d-pet
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> never saw a sheep does that--all those generations of herding ancestors comes
> out.

I always said that what Fluffy would *really* like for Christmas is a couple
of sheep to herd. :-) Shmogg just doens't cut the mustard in that respect.

Yowie
Yoj - 09 May 2004 02:22 GMT
> > >Well, I dunno about eating the house, but our next-door neighbor had for
> > >years a border collie, sweet female, friendly, now at RB......the d-pet
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Yowie

No, having met him, I can believe that Shmogg wouldn't herd too well.
;-)

Joy
Hopitus2 - 09 May 2004 05:30 GMT
I've never met the Shmogg, but somehow I don't believe anyone would ever
confuse him with a sheep......

: > > >Well, I dunno about eating the house, but our next-door neighbor
: had for
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
:
: Joy
Seanette Blaylock - 08 May 2004 10:06 GMT
sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) had some very interesting things to
say about Re: What would you do to save a cat? (VERY LONG):

>Oh, man. Border Collies are high-maintenance dogs. They have to have a job. If
>they don't have a job, they start doing all kinds of destructive things because
>they're bored. We just got one returned to the shelter this week because he was
>eating their house in his spare time.

My parents once had a Pharoah hound [ancestral to greyhounds and such]
who expressed his displeasure over their going out for the evening by
chewing up the book my mother had been reading [he did have the sense
to leave my father's current book alone] and a sofa.

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Kreisleriana - 08 May 2004 14:51 GMT
>>Which is why my husband wants a Border collie, and I do not.  I'd like a dog
>>that is smart enough to be trained, but not one that has to be kept amused
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Sherry

I would say teach him to do taxes, but then he'd only be busy
January-April 15. ;)

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Tanada - 08 May 2004 22:24 GMT
> I would say teach him to do taxes, but then he'd only be busy
> January-April 15. ;)

Hire him out as a baby sitter.  He'd be really happy keeping them in line.

Pam S.
Kreisleriana - 08 May 2004 22:44 GMT
>> I would say teach him to do taxes, but then he'd only be busy
>> January-April 15. ;)
>
>Hire him out as a baby sitter.  He'd be really happy keeping them in line.

I've often thought that kindergarten and pre-school teachers should
all be assigned a border collie each.

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Tanada - 09 May 2004 00:55 GMT
>>Hire him out as a baby sitter.  He'd be really happy keeping them in line.
>
> I've often thought that kindergarten and pre-school teachers should
> all be assigned a border collie each.

I'd say third or fourth grade (ages 8-10).  Some of those kids need a
herd dog to keep them in line.

Pam S.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 09 May 2004 00:50 GMT
> I would say teach him to do taxes, but then he'd only be busy
> January-April 15. ;)

Only problem is, that's not physical enough. :)

Joyce
Seanette Blaylock - 08 May 2004 10:05 GMT
"Jo Firey" <JAfirey@NETZERO.NET> had some very interesting things to
say about Re: What would you do to save a cat? (VERY LONG):

>> ** This refers to a ranking some dog-fancier group did on dog
>> intelligence according to breed. Border collies were #1, the smartest.
>> There were 79 breeds ranked, and Shih Tzus came in at #72.
>Which is why my husband wants a Border collie, and I do not.  I'd like a dog
>that is smart enough to be trained, but not one that has to be kept amused
>24/7 or will resort to amusing itself.

I had a Sheltie once who was too smart for our good. Among other
exploits, the little stinker was an escape artist. :-)

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Kreisleriana - 08 May 2004 14:43 GMT
>>  > I got a good laugh once at a Shih Tzu who was barking fiercely at a
>>  > Great Dane.  The Great Dane was paying no attention whatsoever.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>that is smart enough to be trained, but not one that has to be kept amused
>24/7 or will resort to amusing itself.

Exactly the problem with BCs.  BC breeders and fanciers will tell you
again and again-- they are not pets.  Not only are they very smart,
they are very high-energy.  They can run you ragged.  If you don't
have sheep, they will herd you, your kids and your pets, and anyone
else available.  And nipping is part of herding, so there's a pretty
good chance that a kid will get bitten.

Theresa
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Hopitus2 - 08 May 2004 18:42 GMT
Our Akita has been @ RB since 10/01, but where on the i.q. list was he?

: >>  > I got a good laugh once at a Shih Tzu who was barking fiercely at a
: >>  > Great Dane.  The Great Dane was paying no attention whatsoever.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
: claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful.
: (Aldous Huxley)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 09 May 2004 01:03 GMT
> Our Akita has been @ RB since 10/01, but where on the i.q. list was he?

All I heard about was Border Collies, Poodles (somewhere near the top,
might've even been #2), and Shih Tzus. Actually, I think it was my
friends who have a Shih Tzu who told me about that article. They have
a good sense of humor about their dog's, um, intellectual limits. :) I
often call her (the dog) "72", which they always laugh at. She really
does look and act like a very dumb dog. (She's sweet, though.)

I would think Akitas would be quite intelligent, but I don't know where
they landed on that list.

Joyce
Yowie - 09 May 2004 00:31 GMT
>  > I got a good laugh once at a Shih Tzu who was barking fiercely at a
>  > Great Dane.  The Great Dane was paying no attention whatsoever.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> intelligence according to breed. Border collies were #1, the smartest.
> There were 79 breeds ranked, and Shih Tzus came in at #72.

Fluff is half border collie. The other half is an Aussie Cattledog, also
another intelligent breed. Sadly, said intelligences are obviously
opposites, because when combined, you end up with, well, a Fluffy.

Yowie
Kreisleriana - 09 May 2004 14:32 GMT
>>  > I got a good laugh once at a Shih Tzu who was barking fiercely at a
>>  > Great Dane.  The Great Dane was paying no attention whatsoever.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Yowie

How funny.  

Theresa
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claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful.
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Takayuki - 06 May 2004 19:40 GMT
>So, I've done all that I can.  The adrenaline has worn off and
>everything is sinking in now.  I fended off two Rottweilers that could
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>I've gotten word that the cat has a dislocated hip and at least a
>broken rib or two, but currently she is stable and doing well.

I have to say it again - you're very heroic!

Regarding the $200, just my inexpert opinion, but most jurisdictions
would say that your neighbor is not obligated to pay that back to you,
because your taking the cat to the vet is a moral, or past
consideration (it preceded his promise to pay you back), but I think
we all agree that ethically, he definitely should!
jmcquown - 06 May 2004 20:30 GMT
>> So, I've done all that I can.  The adrenaline has worn off and
>> everything is sinking in now.  I fended off two Rottweilers that
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> consideration (it preceded his promise to pay you back), but I think
> we all agree that ethically, he definitely should!

True, but then again... she's not responsible for the cat.  She doesn't have
to continue paying for treatment, even if the (seemingly elderly) neighbors
don't.  So, there are one or two options for the vet, and hopefully the vet
takes option #1:  Treat the cat and put it up for adoption as a "success
story".  We don't even want to go to option #2.

Jill
Flippy - 06 May 2004 23:08 GMT
Wow, you were very brave, Kristi. Thank you for caring about the kitty and
for paying to start her treatment.

Purrs are coming your way for the kitty's speedy recovery.

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> Here's the long version about the cat I saved.
>
[quoted text clipped - 102 lines]
>
> Kristi
Cheryl - 07 May 2004 03:54 GMT
> All to save a cat that's not even mine.  

Because you're a good and caring person, Kristi. I hope it all works out
for everyone. Purrs for the gray kitty.

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Adrian - 07 May 2004 12:12 GMT
> Here's the long version about the cat I saved.
>
[quoted text clipped - 102 lines]
>
> Kristi

You're a hero!! I think most of us would act without thinking if we saw
a cat in
trouble, but not everyone would have put down the $200.
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badwilson - 08 May 2004 14:01 GMT
Wow, I'm impressed!  Purrs for the little cat to recover and for you to get
your money back.
--
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in fur!
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