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Caroline S. - 04 May 2004 16:03 GMT
Well, the visit to TED shed no light on the source of the blood.  All claws
are accounted for, Pippin and Fizz's mouths look fine. Ears look fine too.
Behaviorally, we are going to try Buspar for Pippin and Amitryptiline for
Fizz for 6-8 weeks to see if that helps.  Either way, we'll then wean them
off of the meds and take it from there.

I'm waiting on a call-back about the urine tests and blood work (for the
meds).

Thanks for the purrs. I've got to go and try to focus on my exam tonight.
*sigh*

-Caroline S.
Mary - 04 May 2004 16:58 GMT
>Well, the visit to TED shed no light on the source of the blood.  All claws
>are accounted for,

Could they have killed a bird or rat and maybe that's where the blood came
from?
Magic Mood Jeep? - 04 May 2004 18:15 GMT
> >Well, the visit to TED shed no light on the source of the blood.  All claws
> >are accounted for,
>
> Could they have killed a bird or rat and maybe that's where the blood came
> from?

I was thinking along those lines myself - a hapless 'intruder' bore the
wrath of the kitties furor!

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TBird - 04 May 2004 19:35 GMT
> > >Well, the visit to TED shed no light on the source of the blood.  All
> claws
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> I was thinking along those lines myself - a hapless 'intruder' bore the
> wrath of the kitties furor!

I've found bird feet and no blood, feathers or guts.  But never found blood
and nothing else.

They are all boy kitties?  Because my Swazie was a NYC feral and she used to
get her period all over my bed covers and bookbag and stuff...lots of blood.

TBird <---- tis a mystery
Takayuki - 05 May 2004 05:22 GMT
>I've found bird feet and no blood, feathers or guts.  But never found blood
>and nothing else.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>TBird <---- tis a mystery

I didn't know cats had periods.  I thought queens had to mate in order
to ovulate, so nothing would happen when they're not sexually active
(aside from going into heat).  I have no idea though.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 05 May 2004 09:43 GMT
>> my Swazie was a NYC feral and she used to get her period all over
>> my bed covers and bookbag and stuff...lots of blood.
>
> I didn't know cats had periods.

I've never heard this either. Do any animals other than humans menstruate?

Joyce
Hopitus2 - 05 May 2004 20:26 GMT
(LOL) Dogs sure do.

:  > "TBird" <64tbird@earthling.net> wrote:
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: Joyce
TBird - 05 May 2004 21:33 GMT
>  > "TBird" <64tbird@earthling.net> wrote:
>
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>
> Joyce

Yep , they do.  I asked my biology teacher way back in high school when it
happened.  (Talk about being embarrassed.)

She was a stray, so she may have mated first, I don't know if we ever looked
into getting her fixed because my tom was neutered (and declawed) and we
were keeping her in the apartment.  We'd found her in our stationary store,
and she lived in our apartment for a while, then went back to the store, but
I don't remember why.  Anyway, I never caught her doing it, and it was
always a contained in one spot, a puddle of blood, about a half cup.  It
wasn't all over the place.

Anyway - it's doesn't much matter if Caroline's cats are all male.  LOL!

TBird <--- yer sure they're all male... right?  ;-)
Steve G - 07 May 2004 18:04 GMT
(...)

> > I've never heard this either. Do any animals other than humans menstruate?
> >
> > Joyce
>
> Yep , they do.  I asked my biology teacher way back in high school when it
> happened.  (Talk about being embarrassed.)

Other animals than humans menstruate, but cats are not one of 'em!
Cats ovulate after mating, not on a periodic (ha!) basis.

Steve.
Nik Simpson - 05 May 2004 13:11 GMT
>> Well, the visit to TED shed no light on the source of the blood.
>> All claws are accounted for,
>
> Could they have killed a bird or rat and maybe that's where the blood
> came from?

That was my thought as well, back when I lived in Alabama and Eliza was in
her prime I used to come home to a house full of feathers and bits of bird
quite frequently. It looked like somebody had carried out a controlled
explosion of Bluejay in the living room, ugh!

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Christine Burel - 04 May 2004 19:02 GMT
Good luck -- purrs continuing!
Christine
> Well, the visit to TED shed no light on the source of the blood.  All claws
> are accounted for, Pippin and Fizz's mouths look fine. Ears look fine too.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> -Caroline S.
Caroline S. - 04 May 2004 19:54 GMT
And another update:
Fizz's crystal count is indeed high again, and he had some blood in his
urine too. Blood work on both is good, so they are ok for the meds. We are
also to try positive reinforcement when they are not beating the tar out of
each other, and negative reinforcement when they are.

And I don't think the blood came from an outsider, certainly not from a bird
( no feathers, droppings or feet). I suppose a mouse would be possible, but
it either ran all over the house, or a cat carried it all over the house
allowing its blood to splatter all over.  and to answer TBird's question,
they are all boys, so no periods.

I don't know how long I will be able to deal with medicating 2 cats twice a
day, on top of work/school/baby.  I'm worried that at this point our
lifestyle is not conducive to a 4 cat household. Only 1 more year of school
left, hopefully we can all hang on until then.

-Caroline S.

> Well, the visit to TED shed no light on the source of the blood.  All claws
> are accounted for, Pippin and Fizz's mouths look fine. Ears look fine too.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> -Caroline S.
lrulan - 04 May 2004 23:40 GMT
Caroline, purrs and prayers that things work out for the best, whatever that
turns out to be. Please keep us updated.
Jazz & his mama

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> And another update:
> Fizz's crystal count is indeed high again, and he had some blood in his
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> >
> > -Caroline S.
Karen Chuplis - 05 May 2004 00:27 GMT
> And another update:
> Fizz's crystal count is indeed high again, and he had some blood in his
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> -Caroline S.

Is there a room that you can set up just especially to put one or the other
of the hostile cats in when you are gone? Window, tree, litter box food,
maybe a radio or tv? This is how I survived with Pearl and Grant and Sugar
for a long time. I had them together ONLY when I was there. It was much less
stressful for them, and I alternated who got the room when. Even if the room
just had a chair by a window or something with the ammenities, they will be
comfortable. It sure worked wonders and it still helps if someone gets too
excited. I pop the "offender" (either Grant "stalking" Pearl - he's really
not aggressive but it annoys the p*ss out of her) or Pearl sitting and
making noises at Grant or chasing Sugar. Seems to settle whoever out. More
often than not, by the time I open the door a half hour later, whoever is in
there is settled in the window and comes out when ready. It's a thought.

Karen
CATherine - 05 May 2004 03:44 GMT
>And another update:
>Fizz's crystal count is indeed high again, and he had some blood in his
>urine too. Blood work on both is good, so they are ok for the meds. We are
>also to try positive reinforcement when they are not beating the tar out of
>each other, and negative reinforcement when they are.

Maybe he had a crystal lodged near the tip and cutting the tender
flesh and letting drops of blood come out? I once had a gallstone
lodged that let bile flow freely so it ate holes in my guts. I reckon
any kind of these stones have sharp edges.

>And I don't think the blood came from an outsider, certainly not from a bird
>( no feathers, droppings or feet). I suppose a mouse would be possible, but
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>-Caroline S.

HUGS!! Perhaps it would help to have everything on a rigid schedule;
if that is possible. I know from experience cats are creatures of
habit and would love a schedule.

>> Well, the visit to TED shed no light on the source of the blood.  All
>claws
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>
>> -Caroline S.

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Marina - 05 May 2004 03:54 GMT
> I don't know how long I will be able to deal with medicating 2 cats twice a
> day, on top of work/school/baby.  I'm worried that at this point our
> lifestyle is not conducive to a 4 cat household. Only 1 more year of school
> left, hopefully we can all hang on until then.

Many, many purrs coming over that you hang in there and that Fizz's crystals
clear up, and he calms down when they do.

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Takayuki - 05 May 2004 05:24 GMT
>I don't know how long I will be able to deal with medicating 2 cats twice a
>day, on top of work/school/baby.  I'm worried that at this point our
>lifestyle is not conducive to a 4 cat household. Only 1 more year of school
>left, hopefully we can all hang on until then.

Work, school, and baby sounds like too much to do!  I think most
people would find two out of those three more than enough.  I'm glad
you're far along on school now.
Pat - 05 May 2004 05:35 GMT
> And another update:
> Fizz's crystal count is indeed high again, and he had some blood in his
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> -Caroline S.

Caroline,

When I lived in Arizona and had 4 cats (all huge Maine Coons) living with me
in a 225' sq. house, two of them - Whitefoot and Safford - were mortals
enemies for a while.

Safford was the younger one and a litter mate of Cotton, who Whitefoot
absolutely adored. Whitefoot also got along well with his own litter mate
and sister, Nia, who also loved Cotton. Nia was not fond of Safford but she
didn't go out of her way to anagonize him the way Whitefoot did. Safford
would always run screaming from Whitefoot, who would chase and beat him up
mercilessly and relentlessly, many times a day. This went on for a LONG
time, and finally, I had to seek a solution.

What finally cured the situation was the intrusion of a common enemy. It was
an unintended result of having to take care of my ex's cat, but before it
happened I tried other ideas which I now regret.

Since Whitefoot had seniority in the household, I persuaded a soft-hearted
friend who had a houseful of cats and dogs that there's always room for one
more. She was glad to take Safford in but after a while it was clear that
Safford wasn't holding up under the stress. She a young cat that looked a
lot like Whitefoot, and this cat would stalk Safford whenever he went to the
food dish. He only wanted to play, but Safford assumed he was going to be
terrorized, and would stop eating and go hide.

Safford was getting so thin and haggard that I ended up taking him home, and
giving Whitefoot to her instead. It almost broke my heart to let Whitefoot
go, and I think Whitefoot was brokenhearted too. And her dogs times chased
and scared him half to death. So, after a short time, I took Whitefoot back
home too.

Around this time, my ex-husband brought Graybar, a cat I had found in a
dumpster as a kitten, to stay with us for a while. Graybar had spent time
with us in the distant past, when he was much younger, and had gotten along
reasonably well with everyone. This time, even thought Graybar acted like a
gentleman at all times, all four of my cats were displeased by his presence.

From that day forward, Whitefoot started treating Safford with the same
tenderness he showed toward his sister and Cotton, and they became best
buddies for life. In fact, when Safford was killed by a passing motorist
after we moved to Missouri, Whitefoot grieved heavily for a long time.

So think about this.... Maybe you can "borrow" a cat that both Fizz and
Pippin dislike, and see if having a common enemy for a while will cause them
to bond. It might work, and for sure has to be better than the broken hearts
that will surely result from giving any of your furkids away.
polonca12000 - 04 May 2004 22:00 GMT
Purrs and best wishes for your kitties and your exam,
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> Well, the visit to TED shed no light on the source of the blood.  <snip>
> Thanks for the purrs. I've got to go and try to focus on my exam tonight.
> *sigh*
>
> -Caroline S.
JP Hobbs - 05 May 2004 13:11 GMT
Good to know everythings okCaroline  Jean.P.
> Well, the visit to TED shed no light on the source of the blood.  All claws
> are accounted for, Pippin and Fizz's mouths look fine. Ears look fine too.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> -Caroline S.
LOL - 06 May 2004 19:11 GMT
> Well, the visit to TED shed no light on the source of the blood.  All claws
> are accounted for, Pippin and Fizz's mouths look fine. Ears look fine too.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> -Caroline S.

Purrs that everyone gets sorted soon.
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