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deer ticks and lyme
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Brad Snow - 03 May 2004 07:30 GMT Will cats get bit and carry/spread/catch lyme disease?
Do the usual shots prevent this?
Boston news criers are warning about lots of ticks this year.
Brad
Pat - 03 May 2004 15:59 GMT Brad, I live is the Missouri Ozarks where ticks are as plentiful as the stars in the sky. I haven't yet found a way to keep them off the cats - or the dogs or horses or myself, for that matter. And, as far as I know, there is no vaccine for Lyme disease. I'm more concerned about Cytauxzoonosis felis, which is carried by a tick and is 99.9% fatal to cats. I lost two cats to that illness, and it's a horrible thing to watch. By the time you know they are sick, they have at most 24 hours left, and the death is extremely painful.
> Will cats get bit and carry/spread/catch lyme disease? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Brad Cheryl - 04 May 2004 01:06 GMT > Brad, I live is the Missouri Ozarks where ticks are as plentiful as > the stars in the sky. I haven't yet found a way to keep them off the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thing to watch. By the time you know they are sick, they have at most > 24 hours left, and the death is extremely painful. There is a Lyme disease vaccine for dogs, but not for cats. I've never heard of this Cytauxzoonosis felis, though. Scary. All the more reason to use a tick repellent, or do spot on treatments for ticks (like Frontline plus) only kill them after they bite?
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Pat - 04 May 2004 02:27 GMT > There is a Lyme disease vaccine for dogs, but not for cats. I've never > heard of this Cytauxzoonosis felis, though. Scary. All the more reason to > use a tick repellent, or do spot on treatments for ticks (like Frontline > plus) only kill them after they bite? http://cjonline.com/stories/062000/com_catdisease.shtml
Cheryl - 04 May 2004 02:54 GMT > http://cjonline.com/stories/062000/com_catdisease.shtml Thanks. Informative and yet scary, still. I don't understand a paragraph near the end of the article, though that says to vaccinate. Vaccinations in general? Since the article clearly stated there is no vaccine for this disease. I'm reminded of a thread I read in the med.vet group about this poor woman who discovered a hatched brood of ticks inside her house (literally hundreds of seed ticks) and I wondered how I'd deal with that. <shudders> I'm nowhere near KS, but like other critters, they tend to migrate. I remember when they said we had no worries about Brown Recluse Spiders, and fire ants. I think both are getting closer.
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Pat - 04 May 2004 04:20 GMT Wherever there are bobcats + ticks, this disease will be found.
> > http://cjonline.com/stories/062000/com_catdisease.shtml > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > migrate. I remember when they said we had no worries about Brown Recluse > Spiders, and fire ants. I think both are getting closer. Ted Davis - 04 May 2004 01:27 GMT >I live is the Missouri Ozarks where ticks are as plentiful as the >stars in the sky. I haven't yet found a way to keep them off the cats - or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >know they are sick, they have at most 24 hours left, and the death is >extremely painful. Frontline seems to work for at least three weeks here in the Foothills of the Ozarks. The cats the go into the field and woods still have to be checked frequently, and toward the end of the month, manually deticked (the ticks do seem unhealthy, so it may be that the residual Frontline is just not enough to kill them before I get to inspect the cat). At least we get a two to three month break in the dead of winter when Fleagor doesn't bring home any ticks.
Interesting - same part (more or less) of the same state, same last name, and same ISP. I live east of Rolla and south of St. James.
T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body)
Kara Tyson - 04 May 2004 00:08 GMT > Will cats get bit and carry/spread/catch lyme disease? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Brad _______________ Brad,
Cats can get Lyme. In fact, I have a photo of a cat with Bell's palsy from it. But it doesnt seem to be as common as it is in dogs and horses (and people for that matter).
There is a vaccine for dogs. However, it is not foolproof and their are some side effects.
There was a vaccine for people but support groups worked to have it removed from the market. There were some horrible side effects (one being death) in about 30% of the population with a certain DNA marker.
Lyme is throughout the US (no matter wheat you read). There are now over 300 strains. Also, the statistics at the CDC web site are not accurate. The CDC only tracks people who make antibodies (about 70% of cases), and reporting is not always done (or required). Also, many people are misdiagnosed.
Although people think of Lyme first as a tick disease. There are many other tick born illnesses and it is not uncommon for people (or pets) to have more than one. The most common are:
Lyme (Borrellia burgdorferi)
Babesiosis
Colorado Tick Fever
Ehrlichiosis
Relapsing Fever
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Tick Paralysis
Tularemia
Q Fever
Bartonella h (Cat scratch)
STARI (now called Master's Disease)
West Nile
and possibly Hept. C
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Some good sites for information are
http://www.lymenet.org
http://www.lyme.org
*** Hope this has been informative
Kara Tyson Lyme Disease Support Group of AL
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 May 2004 02:37 GMT > The most common are: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > West Nile > and possibly Hept. C I'm never going outside again. :)
Joyce
Pat - 04 May 2004 04:22 GMT > I'm never going outside again. :) Aw, Joyce! The good thing about ticks is you can feel them crawling on you before they bite. That is, if you're paying attention!
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 May 2004 07:00 GMT > Aw, Joyce! The good thing about ticks is you can feel them crawling on you > before they bite. That is, if you're paying attention! I've gotten ticks on me before, and I've had to pull them out of pets and kill them. One time, after walking through some tall grass on Nantucket Island (off of Cape Cod in Massachusetts), my friend and I discovered that our pants were covered with ticks. Yech. We used to get them in our dog and cats, too. I haven't seen a lot of ticks since I moved to California, but that might be just because I don't get out into the grass much, nor do my pets.
Joyce
Steve G - 04 May 2004 17:19 GMT (...)
> I've gotten ticks on me before, and I've had to pull them out of pets > and kill them. Killing your pet because it had a tick attached seems a bit extreme to me, ha ha.
> One time, after walking through some tall grass on > Nantucket Island (off of Cape Cod in Massachusetts), my friend and I > discovered that our pants were covered with ticks. Yech. We used to get > them in our dog and cats, too. I haven't seen a lot of ticks since I > moved to California, but that might be just because I don't get out into > the grass much, nor do my pets. You can apply permethrin (trade name, Permanone) to your clothing at it will - allegedly - kill the little buggers on contact. Quite expensive though (especially for the tick, ho ho).
Steve.
Kara Tyson - 05 May 2004 14:33 GMT Oh, I did forget to mention. You can save the tick and have it tested for diseases. the testing is not perfect, but most likely more accurate than testing a human. The following are some good labs:
http://www.igenex.com
http://www.bbii.com
Put the tick in a baggy with a moist cotton ball.
Kara Tyson Lyme Disease Support Group of AL
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 04 May 2004 18:36 GMT >Aw, Joyce! The good thing about ticks is you can feel them crawling on you >before they bite. That is, if you're paying attention! I used to do a lot of rambling when Nathan was younger. A lot of our walking was in deer country - so ticks were about. It was one reason I *never* walked in shorts - I always wore long trousers - and made sure Vernon & Nathan wore longs too. ON a walking holiday in the highlands of Scotland, a member of the group we were in was walking in shorts. On the lunch stop we had a picnic in a grassed area. The guy wearing the shorts was bitten by a tick within seconds of sitting down. It was an ugly bite.
Cheers, helen s
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Bev - 07 May 2004 01:39 GMT > >Aw, Joyce! The good thing about ticks is you can feel them crawling on you > >before they bite. That is, if you're paying attention! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- Talking about ticks - when we were house and animal minding in Australia we were told to check the cats daily for ticks. Apparently they are lethal if left on for any length of time. You have no idea how much I worried about them. Every day we had a tick finding session and were those cats grumpy. They did not want to be felt all over for lumps. Also they had to be shut up at night because of cane toads which are also lethal. We don't have ticks on our cats here and we don't have cane toads or snakes. So imagine my horror when one of the cats brought into the lounge something that looked like a small snake. You could have heard my screams all the way back to New Zealand. Fortunately a friend was staying with us who was used to snakes. He picked it up and pronounced it was a slow worm and put it outside, ugh.
BTW hope things are going well with you Brad :)
Bev -- I got rid of my husband. The cat was allergic.
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