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Brad Snow - 03 May 2004 07:30 GMT
Will cats get bit and carry/spread/catch lyme disease?

Do the usual shots prevent this?

Boston news criers are warning about lots of ticks this year.

Brad
Pat - 03 May 2004 15:59 GMT
Brad, I live is the Missouri Ozarks where ticks are as plentiful as the
stars in the sky. I haven't yet found a way to keep them off the cats - or
the dogs or horses or myself, for that matter. And, as far as I know, there
is no vaccine for Lyme disease. I'm more concerned about Cytauxzoonosis
felis, which is carried by a tick and is 99.9% fatal to cats. I lost two
cats to that illness, and it's a horrible thing to watch. By the time you
know they are sick, they have at most 24 hours left, and the death is
extremely painful.

> Will cats get bit and carry/spread/catch lyme disease?
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> Brad
Cheryl - 04 May 2004 01:06 GMT
> Brad, I live is the Missouri Ozarks where ticks are as plentiful as
> the stars in the sky. I haven't yet found a way to keep them off the
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> thing to watch. By the time you know they are sick, they have at most
> 24 hours left, and the death is extremely painful.

There is a Lyme disease vaccine for dogs, but not for cats.  I've never
heard of this Cytauxzoonosis felis, though. Scary.  All the more reason to
use a tick repellent, or do spot on treatments for ticks (like Frontline
plus) only kill them after they bite?

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Pat - 04 May 2004 02:27 GMT
> There is a Lyme disease vaccine for dogs, but not for cats.  I've never
> heard of this Cytauxzoonosis felis, though. Scary.  All the more reason to
> use a tick repellent, or do spot on treatments for ticks (like Frontline
> plus) only kill them after they bite?

http://cjonline.com/stories/062000/com_catdisease.shtml
Cheryl - 04 May 2004 02:54 GMT
> http://cjonline.com/stories/062000/com_catdisease.shtml

Thanks. Informative and yet scary, still. I don't understand a paragraph
near the end of the article, though that says to vaccinate. Vaccinations in
general? Since the article clearly stated there is no vaccine for this
disease. I'm reminded of a thread I read in the med.vet group about this
poor woman who discovered a hatched brood of ticks inside her house
(literally hundreds of seed ticks) and I wondered how I'd deal with that.  
<shudders> I'm nowhere near KS, but like other critters, they tend to
migrate. I remember when they said we had no worries about Brown Recluse
Spiders, and fire ants. I think both are getting closer.

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Cheryl

Pat - 04 May 2004 04:20 GMT
Wherever there are bobcats + ticks, this disease will be found.

> > http://cjonline.com/stories/062000/com_catdisease.shtml
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> migrate. I remember when they said we had no worries about Brown Recluse
> Spiders, and fire ants. I think both are getting closer.
Ted Davis - 04 May 2004 01:27 GMT
>I live is the Missouri Ozarks where ticks are as plentiful as the
>stars in the sky. I haven't yet found a way to keep them off the cats - or
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>know they are sick, they have at most 24 hours left, and the death is
>extremely painful.

Frontline seems to work for at least three weeks here in the Foothills
of the Ozarks.  The cats the go into the field and woods still have to
be checked frequently, and toward the end of the month, manually
deticked (the ticks do seem unhealthy, so it may be that the residual
Frontline is just not enough to kill them before I get to inspect the
cat).  At least we get a two to three month break in the dead of
winter when Fleagor doesn't bring home any ticks.

Interesting - same part (more or less) of the same state, same last
name, and same ISP.  I live east of Rolla and south of St. James.

T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body)
Kara Tyson - 04 May 2004 00:08 GMT
> Will cats get bit and carry/spread/catch lyme disease?
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> Brad
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Brad,

Cats can get Lyme. In fact, I have a photo of a cat with Bell's palsy
from it. But it doesnt seem to be as common as it is in dogs and
horses (and people for that matter).

There is a vaccine for dogs. However, it is not foolproof and their
are some side effects.

There was a vaccine for people but support groups worked to have it
removed from the market. There were some horrible side effects (one
being death) in about 30% of the population with a certain DNA marker.

Lyme is throughout the US (no matter wheat you read). There are now
over 300 strains. Also, the statistics at the CDC web site are not
accurate. The CDC only tracks people who make antibodies (about 70% of
cases), and reporting is not always done (or required). Also, many
people are misdiagnosed.

Although people think of Lyme first as a tick disease. There are many
other tick born illnesses and it is not uncommon for people (or pets)
to have more than one. The most common are:

Lyme (Borrellia burgdorferi)

Babesiosis

Colorado Tick Fever

Ehrlichiosis

Relapsing Fever

Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever

Tick Paralysis

Tularemia

Q Fever

Bartonella h (Cat scratch)

STARI (now called Master's Disease)

West Nile

and possibly Hept. C

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Some good sites for information are

http://www.lymenet.org

http://www.lyme.org

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Hope this has been informative

Kara Tyson
Lyme Disease Support Group of AL
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 May 2004 02:37 GMT
> The most common are:
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> West Nile
> and possibly Hept. C

I'm never going outside again. :)

Joyce
Pat - 04 May 2004 04:22 GMT
> I'm never going outside again. :)

Aw, Joyce! The good thing about ticks is you can feel them crawling on you
before they bite. That is, if you're paying attention!
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 May 2004 07:00 GMT
> Aw, Joyce! The good thing about ticks is you can feel them crawling on you
> before they bite. That is, if you're paying attention!

I've gotten ticks on me before, and I've had to pull them out of pets
and kill them. One time, after walking through some tall grass on
Nantucket Island (off of Cape Cod in Massachusetts), my friend and I
discovered that our pants were covered with ticks. Yech. We used to get
them in our dog and cats, too. I haven't seen a lot of ticks since I
moved to California, but that might be just because I don't get out into
the grass much, nor do my pets.

Joyce
Steve G - 04 May 2004 17:19 GMT
(...)

> I've gotten ticks on me before, and I've had to pull them out of pets
> and kill them.

Killing your pet because it had a tick attached seems a bit extreme to
me, ha ha.

> One time, after walking through some tall grass on
> Nantucket Island (off of Cape Cod in Massachusetts), my friend and I
> discovered that our pants were covered with ticks. Yech. We used to get
> them in our dog and cats, too. I haven't seen a lot of ticks since I
> moved to California, but that might be just because I don't get out into
> the grass much, nor do my pets.

You can apply permethrin (trade name, Permanone) to your clothing at
it will - allegedly - kill the little buggers on contact. Quite
expensive though (especially for the tick, ho ho).

Steve.
Kara Tyson - 05 May 2004 14:33 GMT
Oh, I did forget to mention. You can save the tick and have it tested
for diseases. the testing is not perfect, but most likely more
accurate than testing a human. The following are some good labs:

http://www.igenex.com

http://www.bbii.com

Put the tick in a baggy with a moist cotton ball.

Kara Tyson
Lyme Disease Support Group of AL
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 04 May 2004 18:36 GMT
>Aw, Joyce! The good thing about ticks is you can feel them crawling on you
>before they bite. That is, if you're paying attention!

I used to do a lot of rambling when Nathan was younger. A lot of our walking
was in deer country - so ticks were about. It was one reason I *never* walked
in shorts - I always wore long trousers - and made sure Vernon & Nathan wore
longs too. ON a walking holiday in the highlands of Scotland, a member of the
group we were in was walking in shorts. On the lunch stop we had a picnic in a
grassed area. The guy wearing the shorts was bitten by a tick within seconds of
sitting down. It was an ugly bite.

Cheers, helen s

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Bev - 07 May 2004 01:39 GMT
> >Aw, Joyce! The good thing about ticks is you can feel them crawling on you
> >before they bite. That is, if you're paying attention!
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>
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Talking about ticks - when we were house and animal minding in Australia
we were told to check the  cats daily for ticks.   Apparently they are
lethal if left on for any length of time. You have no idea how much I
worried about them.  Every day we had a tick finding session and were
those cats grumpy.   They did not want to be felt all over for lumps.
Also they had to be shut up at night because of cane toads which are
also lethal.   We don't have ticks on our cats here and we don't have
cane toads or snakes.   So imagine my horror when one of the cats
brought into the lounge something that looked like a small snake.  You
could have heard my screams all the way back to New Zealand.  
Fortunately a friend was staying with us who was used to snakes.  He
picked it up and pronounced it was a slow worm and put it outside, ugh.

BTW hope things are going well with you Brad :)

Bev
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