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Gracecat - 01 May 2004 16:12 GMT We had a birthing last night. One of my father's horses finally dropped her colt sometime between 10pm and 7am this morning.
I haven't seen him yet, it's raining and I didn't want to drag the kidlets outside long enough to walk to the barn but I bet he's a cutie!!
Grace
Karen Chuplis - 01 May 2004 19:51 GMT > We had a birthing last night. One of my father's horses finally dropped her > colt sometime between 10pm and 7am this morning. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Grace All babies are cute. Baby horses are at a tie with baby cats for cuteness. That will be fun.
Karen
Gracecat - 01 May 2004 20:16 GMT It stopped raining and I walked outside. He's all legs, tiny itty bitty black tail and fuzzy mane just a couple inches long. I mean ALL LEGS. That boy isn't any bigger than a three cat pile, but his legs go forever. I asked momma (the horse, not my mom) if I could touch him. She kept her head between us, nuzzling my right hand while my left was fondling the backside of a newborn foal. She didn't seem to mind too terribly much but didn't exactly encourage a budding relationship between me and her baby either ;).
Not sure what the name will be yet. The horses tend to be a couple months old before one is picked out. If it was a girl, I told Mom she should be named Epona and called Eppie ;).
Grace
> > We had a birthing last night. One of my father's horses finally dropped her > > colt sometime between 10pm and 7am this morning. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Karen Sherry - 02 May 2004 04:52 GMT >All babies are cute. Baby horses are at a tie with baby cats for cuteness. >That will be fun. > >Karen Yes, all babies are cute. I think there's a reason for that. If offspring was presented to us as teenagers, we'd never have any. Well, baby birds are kind of ugly. But baby horses and baby calves, especially when they get a month old and start kicking around and "playing", they're just too cute.
Sherry
polonca12000 - 01 May 2004 22:21 GMT Welcome! I hope there will be pics we can see. Best wishes,
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> We had a birthing last night. One of my father's horses finally dropped her > colt sometime between 10pm and 7am this morning. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Grace m. L. Briggs - 01 May 2004 23:51 GMT >We had a birthing last night. One of my father's horses finally dropped her >colt sometime between 10pm and 7am this morning. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Grace I just finished watching the running of the Kentucky Derby -- what beautiful horses. I hope your baby grows up to be a wonderful horse.
GraceCat - 02 May 2004 00:48 GMT Oh he's a sweetie. He won't be for long, but he's adorable right now. We're not going to cut him, and chances are he'll be gone before a year is out, maybe two. Before he hits maturity and recognizes that those stupid girls aren't good for nothing out there ;). .
*insert personal opinion here* I'm personally not fond of studs, most aren't because the absolute only thing you can do with most is stud them out. After they reach 3 or so, they get around other mares and it's a fight and half. Locally, the rodeos and cattle events won't let you bring a stud on the grounds because of typical inability to control them. And you can't turn them loose in a regular fence because they push through it if a mare is anywhere around. And our neighbors have several mares. Been there, done that, tracked our last stud across the street when he went pimping. He's down at another farm right now where they have the means to keep the studs safe and confined in high fences. We're putting him in shows this year as a cutting horse and hopefully if he makes some wins, Dad can get a nice little nest egg out of him. Nothing close to the Derby horses though! We're little league :).
Studs are just trouble. Money makers if you have the right blood lines, but trouble with a capital T. I much prefer the girls outside. They're just overgrown pets ;).
Grace
> >We had a birthing last night. One of my father's horses finally dropped her > >colt sometime between 10pm and 7am this morning. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I just finished watching the running of the Kentucky Derby -- what > beautiful horses. I hope your baby grows up to be a wonderful horse. Kreisleriana - 02 May 2004 01:15 GMT >Oh he's a sweetie. He won't be for long, but he's adorable right now. >We're not going to cut him, and chances are he'll be gone before a year [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >but trouble with a capital T. I much prefer the girls outside. They're >just overgrown pets ;). I thought it was illegal to keep a "whole" male horse in most states unless he is a race horse or a stud.
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GraceCat - 02 May 2004 01:47 GMT > I thought it was illegal to keep a "whole" male horse in most states > unless he is a race horse or a stud. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. > (Aldous Huxley) *blink* I've never heard that before... odd, I'll check that out.
If you're going to keep a "whole" horse, the only reason would be to eventually use him as a stud. A race horse typically retires before the age of 5 and they can live another 20 years easily. There are many other uses for quality/high dollar horses other than racing. You have several different types of show circuits that display different uses for the animal. Cattle, dressage, english... list goes on and on. And you can race a gelding just as easily as you can a stud. But it doesn't make sense to geld a race horse if he's very good. (this is just my knowledge, I may be wrong)
I don't think it's illegal, but many of your various functions forbid intact horses because of the problems they can cause. Most studs are downright ornery when they smell a mare. Some are wild as wild can be around strange horses. And I've met a couple that are just as gentle as their geldings.
Now... if you want to go further... you can have proud cut horses. Proud cuts are generally cut to take most of the testes away, but some is left, thereby producing some testosterone but unable to properly impregnant a mare. Mostly you hear this when a gelding is acting like a stud and someone talks about that one must be "proud cut".
But no... I've never heard of laws about keeping a stud horse. Generally, as I said, it's a bit more upkeep because they're harder to contain than other horses, and they can be.... well...difficult :).
Grace
Pat - 02 May 2004 03:21 GMT > Most studs are > downright ornery when they smell a mare. Some are wild as wild can be > around strange horses. And I've met a couple that are just as gentle as > their geldings. Our Hotse is almost like that. I have video of him being rode by an mediocre rider, bareback and bridleless, in the same pasture with a mare in heat. The only time he's almost too rambunction to handle is when there's a mare in heat near him and he hasn't done any breeding in a while.
You can see some of his recent offspring at http://friesianlover.com/nursery.html
Karen Chuplis - 02 May 2004 04:52 GMT >> Most studs are >> downright ornery when they smell a mare. Some are wild as wild can be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You can see some of his recent offspring at > http://friesianlover.com/nursery.html Oh Fresians are SOoooooooo beautiful. I've heard they have great temperments in general. How lucky you are.
Karen
Steve Touchstone - 02 May 2004 05:46 GMT >> Most studs are >> downright ornery when they smell a mare. Some are wild as wild can be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >You can see some of his recent offspring at >http://friesianlover.com/nursery.html bee-ute-ful
I love pix of the long legged babies - never been around horse much myself ;-(
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Christine Burel - 02 May 2004 05:56 GMT Pat, I thoroughly enjoyed looking at your horses! Thank you! Christine
> > Most studs are > > downright ornery when they smell a mare. Some are wild as wild can be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You can see some of his recent offspring at > http://friesianlover.com/nursery.html polonca12000 - 07 May 2004 22:44 GMT They are lovely! Thanks. Best wishes,
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<snip>> You can see some of his recent offspring at
> http://friesianlover.com/nursery.html Seanette Blaylock - 02 May 2004 09:24 GMT "GraceCat" <gracecat@bellsouth.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Welcome new baby!!!:
>I don't think it's illegal, but many of your various functions forbid >intact horses because of the problems they can cause. Most studs are >downright ornery when they smell a mare. Some are wild as wild can be >around strange horses. And I've met a couple that are just as gentle as >their geldings. Possibly stupid question: do mares ever get spayed?
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Gracecat - 02 May 2004 16:53 GMT "Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spammers.drop.dead@impulse.net> wrote in > Possibly stupid question: do mares ever get spayed?
> -- > "Don't mess with major appliances unless you know what you are doing > (or unless your life insurance policy is up-to-date)." - John, RCFL Nope, not stupid :)
No, they never do because it's so easy to keep them from breeding. Some mares never see a stud in their lives :).
Grace
Karen Chuplis - 02 May 2004 17:22 GMT > "Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spammers.drop.dead@impulse.net> wrote in > > Possibly stupid question: do mares ever get spayed? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Grace I imagine in an animal that large it would be a pretty major operation. Especially when gelding is not.
Karen
Kreisleriana - 02 May 2004 20:03 GMT >"Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spammers.drop.dead@impulse.net> wrote in > >Possibly stupid question: do mares ever get spayed? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Grace But that's not the only reason we spay some animals. Going into heat is a big pain for female dogs and cats, and spaying them prevents reproductive health problems that are common in unspayed animals.
Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/
Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley)
Gracecat - 02 May 2004 21:26 GMT > >"Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spammers.drop.dead@impulse.net> wrote in > > >Possibly stupid question: do mares ever get spayed? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. > (Aldous Huxley) That's true. But with large animals, livestock, it's more invasive and can be quite a bit more dangerous to spay a mare or cow than it would a cat or dog. I haven't ever heard of it done before... at least not locally.
Grace
Karen Chuplis - 02 May 2004 22:01 GMT >>> "Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spammers.drop.dead@impulse.net> wrote in > >>> Possibly stupid question: do mares ever get spayed? [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Grace Any surgery requiring anesthesia on a large animal like a horse is frought with danger. Way higher than littler creatures.
Karen
Seanette Blaylock - 02 May 2004 23:49 GMT "Gracecat" <gracecat@bellsouth.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Welcome new baby!!!:
>>Possibly stupid question: do mares ever get spayed? >Nope, not stupid :) As you can guess, I know very little about horses except I think they're cute. :-)
>No, they never do because it's so easy to keep them from breeding. Some >mares never see a stud in their lives :). So they're not as obnoxious as a dog or cat in heat?
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GraceCat - 03 May 2004 00:35 GMT > "Gracecat" <gracecat@bellsouth.net> had some very interesting things > to say about Re: Welcome new baby!!!: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > "Don't mess with major appliances unless you know what you are doing > (or unless your life insurance policy is up-to-date)." - John, RCFL Nope :). They continue about their way, munching grass and plodding along. These are pleasure horses though, that are worked on the weekends during a rodeo and such, maybe trail rides. So it may be a bit more involved with those horses that race and such.
Grace
Kreisleriana - 02 May 2004 15:03 GMT >> I thought it was illegal to keep a "whole" male horse in most states >> unless he is a race horse or a stud. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >Grace I live in New York-- where there are a lot of horses for a lot of purposes-- and it's illegal to keep a male horse except a racing horse or one specifically intended for stud. Plain old pleasure and working horses must be gelded.
Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/
Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley)
Sherry - 02 May 2004 15:09 GMT >I live in New York-- where there are a lot of horses for a lot of >purposes-- and it's illegal to keep a male horse except a racing horse >or one specifically intended for stud. Plain old pleasure and working >horses must be gelded. I don't think we have that law here. If it is on the books, it's ignored and not enforced. How do they enforce it there? (I almost hate to say this because I don't like government interference, but it's a shame that law doesn't pertain to cats too.) Sherry
Kreisleriana - 02 May 2004 15:24 GMT >>I live in New York-- where there are a lot of horses for a lot of >>purposes-- and it's illegal to keep a male horse except a racing horse [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >to cats too.) >Sherry I really don't know how it's enforced-- I onyl know about it because I have a riding stable nearby, and the owner told me.
Government interference can have its good and bad aspects. For example, I really love it when the city government interferes with the garbage on my street. ;)
Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/
Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley)
GraceCat - 02 May 2004 01:51 GMT Oh... I forgot...
Every couple years, the state comes around to check horses and your papers. It's necessary to keep your horses and cattle innoculated because of certain diseases. If you don't keep them up to date with their shots, then you have trouble. Most if not all of your large livestock events will check your papers before you can unload the animal. Unless it's a special requirement that you can't bring a stud, they never ask the sex of your horse.
In fact, if one of your horses tests positive for some diseases, the vet *must* notify the state agriculture department and they come to verify that you dispose of the animal or they remove the animal from your possession and dispose of it themselves. The vet told us that she's unable to contact us with the news because some people hide or move their horses when they're pre-notified. (It's coggins btw, the disease)
Grace
> >Oh he's a sweetie. He won't be for long, but he's adorable right now. > >We're not going to cut him, and chances are he'll be gone before a year [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. > (Aldous Huxley) Yowie - 02 May 2004 01:15 GMT > We had a birthing last night. One of my father's horses finally dropped her > colt sometime between 10pm and 7am this morning. > > I haven't seen him yet, it's raining and I didn't want to drag the kidlets > outside long enough to walk to the barn but I bet he's a cutie!! Congratulations on the new arrival!
Jpgs!
Yowie
Christine Burel - 02 May 2004 05:47 GMT Would love to see a photo of the foal! Congratulatory purrs all around! Christine
> We had a birthing last night. One of my father's horses finally dropped her > colt sometime between 10pm and 7am this morning. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Grace Sherry - 02 May 2004 05:50 GMT >Would love to see a photo of the foal! Congratulatory purrs all around! >Christine OOHHH. Good idea Christine. I'd love to see a pic too if it's possible.
Sherry
JP Hobbs - 02 May 2004 11:23 GMT I bet he's gorgeous I love horses they're beautiful graceful animals and have lots of sense and sensetivity, and the babies are always so cute. Jean.P.
> We had a birthing last night. One of my father's horses finally dropped her > colt sometime between 10pm and 7am this morning. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Grace
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