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O J - 26 Apr 2004 01:15 GMT
Hi All,

    Just spent a few minutes watching the kittens of Mama Cat who has
moved them up onto our porch.  Lynda was going to move my mobility
cart and started by taking the cover off it.  What to her wondering
eyes should appear but five three week old kittens.  Obviously the
cart and the cover are going to have to stay put for a while.

    There's a large tailless male in the neighborhood, and two of the
babies have no tail.  I always thought that was a recessive gene -- oh
well.  The rest hove those out of proportion kitten tails that are
just so cute.

    The mama cat is the one I wrote of who comes up and bangs the
screen door when she wants to be fed.  I suppose she'll teach that to
any babies that we can't catch and bring to the shelter.  Lynda's
making an effort to handle the babies so that after they are weaned,
they won't run away when it's time to find them new homes.

    I'll keep you posted.

Regards and Purrs,
O J Gritmon
Cheryl - 26 Apr 2004 01:29 GMT
>      Just spent a few minutes watching the kittens of Mama Cat who has
> moved them up onto our porch.  Lynda was going to move my mobility
> cart and started by taking the cover off it.  What to her wondering
> eyes should appear but five three week old kittens.  Obviously the
> cart and the cover are going to have to stay put for a while.

Purrs for the babies and mom cat. It sounds like Lynda will be able to
socialize them nicely. :) More purrs for happy homes for all!

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O J - 26 Apr 2004 14:50 GMT
Hi All,

    I'm sorry to report that Mama Cat must have moved the kittens
during the night.  She had the last litter around on the porch and
nursed them there frequently, so I'm guessing that they'll be back.
She must not of approved of them socializing with hoomins yet.

    For all of you who are reading this with a cat sitting on your
keyboard, here's a little mousie for the kitties:
(remember to use a fixed pitch font)

( )_( )
\. ./
_=.=_
  "   --

Regards and Purrs,
O J Gritmon

PS.  just heard one of those Mama Cat "Bangs", I'll speak to her about
the kittens
Christine Burel - 26 Apr 2004 02:16 GMT
Awww, how sweet!  Hope to see some photos if it's possible!
Christine
> Hi All,
>
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> Regards and Purrs,
> O J Gritmon
JoJo - 26 Apr 2004 03:49 GMT
Mama cat probably carries the recessive tail-less gene - when mixed w/dad's
dominant gene - result could be half and half.  (Sorry, had a "topline"
genetics course in college - found it interesting....useless fact - did you
know identical twins are so identical in the womb that even the fingerprints
are identical?  From the fluid, skin is pliable, so as babies touch things
in womb, it "shifts" their prints around, which is why they have different
fingerprints when born.  Now, if you are ever on Jeopardy and asked that
question, you now know the answer! :)

Anyway congrats on babies.  Now is the perfect time to start handling them
to get them people friendly.  You can start trying them on real food in
another week or two (Iams canned kitten works well - very easy for them to
eat).  Enjoy the babies!  And sorry for the genetics lesson.

JoJo
> Hi All,
>
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> Regards and Purrs,
> O J Gritmon
Kreisleriana - 26 Apr 2004 14:05 GMT
>Mama cat probably carries the recessive tail-less gene - when mixed w/dad's
>dominant gene - result could be half and half.  (Sorry, had a "topline"
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>JoJo

Cat color genetics is a trip, isn't it?  It makes my head explode. ;)

Theresa
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Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal
claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful.
(Aldous Huxley)
JoJo - 26 Apr 2004 23:35 GMT
I won't even go into colors - did you know there are 32 different gene
combinations for human eye color alone? Technically I should have brown
eyes - real fathers eyes were brown, mom's were blue - mine are blue.  Go
figure.  I can't even imagine going into cat colors - make your head spin.
Remember the cat that was cloned?  Due to they way cells multiply or
something it looked nothing like the original.  I can't remember what it was
exactly.

> >Mama cat probably carries the recessive tail-less gene - when mixed w/dad's
> >dominant gene - result could be half and half.  (Sorry, had a "topline"
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> claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful.
> (Aldous Huxley)
Kreisleriana - 27 Apr 2004 00:57 GMT
>I won't even go into colors - did you know there are 32 different gene
>combinations for human eye color alone? Technically I should have brown
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>something it looked nothing like the original.  I can't remember what it was
>exactly.

When I saw the cloned kitty, everything I had thought and worried
about actual cloning went out the window, and I went "oooooh izzny she
a cuteums."  Cats really make my brain go soft, anyway. :P

Theresa
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Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal
claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful.
(Aldous Huxley)
JoJo - 27 Apr 2004 01:17 GMT
LOL! :)

> When I saw the cloned kitty, everything I had thought and worried
> about actual cloning went out the window, and I went "oooooh izzny she
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful.
> (Aldous Huxley)
Marina - 27 Apr 2004 04:12 GMT
> When I saw the cloned kitty, everything I had thought and worried
> about actual cloning went out the window, and I went "oooooh izzny she
> a cuteums."  Cats really make my brain go soft, anyway. :P

Theresa, you should look out with that brain meltdown. That's the Mothership
working its power on you. Never look at a cat without your tinfoil hat on.

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Kreisleriana - 27 Apr 2004 13:45 GMT
>> When I saw the cloned kitty, everything I had thought and worried
>> about actual cloning went out the window, and I went "oooooh izzny she
>> a cuteums."  Cats really make my brain go soft, anyway. :P
>
>Theresa, you should look out with that brain meltdown. That's the Mothership
>working its power on you. Never look at a cat without your tinfoil hat on.

Ooooh, ut e was soooo cuuuuute.  Ahem.  I'm back now.

Theresa
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Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal
claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful.
(Aldous Huxley)
Seanette Blaylock - 27 Apr 2004 04:07 GMT
"JoJo" <stopspam@nospam.net> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: The kittens are here:

>I won't even go into colors - did you know there are 32 different gene
>combinations for human eye color alone? Technically I should have brown
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>something it looked nothing like the original.  I can't remember what it was
>exactly.

Your genetic father probably carried the blue-eye gene as a recessive.
:-)

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Jeanette - 27 Apr 2004 08:49 GMT
> I won't even go into colors - did you know there are 32 different gene
> combinations for human eye color alone? Technically I should have brown
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> something it looked nothing like the original.  I can't remember what it was
> exactly.

Your dad must have had the Bb combination - one dominant allele for brown
eyes, one recessive one for blue eyes. Your mum, to have blue eyes, would
have had the bb combination - two alleles for blue eyes. You will have your
dad's b allele, and one of your mother's b alleles, making you bb like your
mother ... i.e. blue eyed. My sister is the same, except that in our case
it's our mother who is Bb, and our father who was bb. I must be Bb too, like
my mum, i.e. brown eyed with a recessive gene for blue eyes.

Jeanette
JoJo - 27 Apr 2004 21:44 GMT
Ok, you just took me back to genetics class.  We never really went into
detail on figuring out eye color.  I'm now thinking peas and that the monk
who discovered genetics had much too much time on his hands.  :)

> > I won't even go into colors - did you know there are 32 different gene
> > combinations for human eye color alone? Technically I should have brown
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>
> Jeanette
Tanada - 28 Apr 2004 06:57 GMT
> I won't even go into colors - did you know there are 32 different gene
> combinations for human eye color alone? Technically I should have brown
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> something it looked nothing like the original.  I can't remember what it was
> exactly.

Got a question for you, since you know about eye color.  Mother's eyes
were light blue, as were father's eyes.  I'm told that blue eyes are
both double recessives.  My eyes are green.  Is this possible?  Was the
old girl fooling around on the old man?  Does this mean I'm adopted?
(was a fantasy of mine, ok?)

Pam S. very OT but interested
badwilson - 26 Apr 2004 04:58 GMT
How cute!  About the tailless male, sounds like he may be a Japanese Bobtail
then.  That is a dominant gene, although any Japanese Bobtail breeder will
deny it.  But my cat Vino is a half Japanese Bobtail and half Birman and his
tail is just a nub, as were all his litter mates'.  The people I got Vino
from always cross a Japanese Bobtail with another tailed breed and get
kittens with no tails or short tails.
The other tailless breed, the Manx, is really recessive, and need 2 tailless
parents to get a kitten with no tail, from what I've heard.
I love tailless cats or cats with short tails...they are soooo cute :-)  But
of course I'm biased ;-)
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in fur!
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> Hi All,
>
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> Regards and Purrs,
> O J Gritmon
John F. Eldredge - 26 Apr 2004 13:13 GMT
>How cute!  About the tailless male, sounds like he may be a Japanese
>Bobtail then.  That is a dominant gene, although any Japanese
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>I love tailless cats or cats with short tails...they are soooo cute
>:-)  But of course I'm biased ;-)

My parents had a cat for 15 years who lost her tail to an injury when
she was a kitten.  Tinkerbelle was left with a stump about 1 inch
long.  My parents let her have one litter of kittens before having
her spayed, and the next-door neighbors were surprised that the
kittens were born with tails, even though they knew that the mother
had lost her tail to an accident.  They expressed the idea several
times that they thought that injuries were inheritable.  Of course,
these were folks who also believed everything that they read in the
_National Enquirer_, on the logic that having something in print
proved it was true.

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Jo Firey - 26 Apr 2004 06:17 GMT
> Hi All,
>
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> well.  The rest hove those out of proportion kitten tails that are
> just so cute.

Yes, but given a limited number of cats loose in a neighborhood, and the
fact that the tailless male is likely the Alpha male for quite some distance
around, it is most likely that Mamma cat is closely related to him.

Virtually all the feral cats around here are orange or gray  males and
tortie females.  Quite a few tuxedo's around but they all seem to have the
kind of homes where they get fixed early on, I've never seem a local tux
kitten.

Jo
jmcquown - 26 Apr 2004 11:23 GMT
> Hi All,
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> Regards and Purrs,
> O J Gritmon

Awwww!  Best of luck with the kittens and the mom cat, too!  I read with
delight her antics of banging on the door wanting canned food but you'd
resorted back to crunchies.

Jill
JP Hobbs - 26 Apr 2004 12:19 GMT
Great news it must be very exciting purrs
to Mama cat and Babies! and you and Lynda
for being such good nana and pappa's  Jean.P
> Hi All,
>
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> Regards and Purrs,
> O J Gritmon
 
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