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Steve Touchstone - 24 Apr 2004 05:33 GMT
here, so the Touchstone crew were all gathered on Sammy's new storm
shelter. Sammy wasn't nearly as scared tonight, perhaps because we
were just brushed by the storms and didn't get as much thunder.
Anyway, I went and laid down next to shere she was hiding under the
bedspread. Little Bit soon followed and sat in the window so she could
watch the light show. After about fifteen minutes Sammy stuck her head
out from under the covers. She had BIG eyes, but decided to come
halfway out and laid on my arm. Rocky joined us on the bed, and I read
until the storm was over. Looks like the line is moving a little
further west each day, but if the weather forecasters are right this
round will stay east of Lawton.

Hey, Sherry, hope the storm missed you, too. Looking at the late news
it looked like Duncan caught it pretty good, lots of rain and good
sized hail.
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Sherry - 24 Apr 2004 05:44 GMT
>Hey, Sherry, hope the storm missed you, too. Looking at the late news
>it looked like Duncan caught it pretty good, lots of rain and good
>sized hail.

We didn't get *anything*. We are about 15 miles north of there. It is so dry
here we didn't bother with a garden this year. We just planted wildflowers and
are done with it. My daughter lives in Moore, theygot all that awful hail the
other day. I called in the middle of it to see if they were okay, and she said,
"I can't talk! I'm taking Tommy's friends home". Tommy is her cat. She took all
the street cats back to their houses and made the owners put them inside.
Your poor kitties! Ours don't even notice weather. They do go to the *back*
door to outside though..they don't "get it" that it's also raining in the back
yard!

Sherry
Steve Touchstone - 24 Apr 2004 18:16 GMT
>>Hey, Sherry, hope the storm missed you, too. Looking at the late news
>>it looked like Duncan caught it pretty good, lots of rain and good
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>
>Sherry

I checked the rain gauge this morning, and we got next to nothing as
far as rain goes - not even a tenth of an inch. Course, the way thses
storms work they could have 2 inches across the street ;-)

Glad to hear your daughter is a proper catslave and looking out after
Tommy's friends.

Sammy is the only one of mine that gets scared, and I'm hoping that
over time she'll learn to not get as stressed. I wouldn't worry about
it so much, except that when she gets really scared during a bad
storm. and, when she gets really scared she overgrooms and leaves bald
spots where she pulls out hair on her back.

Course' while she's scared, the other two are learning that storms are
neat, since I turn off the 'puter and TV and spend the time with the
cats..... hmmm, could it be an act.....  
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Dan M - 24 Apr 2004 20:01 GMT
>>>Hey, Sherry, hope the storm missed you, too. Looking at the late news
>>>it looked like Duncan caught it pretty good, lots of rain and good
>>>sized hail.

I was at the Flying J Truck Stop in Oklahoma City Thursday night and got
a little bit of rain. Driving from OKC into Albuquerque yesterday I was
amazed at how heavy some of the rain was. Then last night when the store
moved through Albuquerque we got some impressive hail. At least it was
impressive to this CA native who never gets hail at home! At one point I
was afraid the hail was going to damage the cab of the truck.

Now in western AZ it's clear and dry and warm.

Dan
Sherry - 26 Apr 2004 06:26 GMT
>I was at the Flying J Truck Stop in Oklahoma City Thursday night and got
>a little bit of rain. Driving from OKC into Albuquerque yesterday I was
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>
>Dan

That hail was totally creepy, and Carrie-esque. It covered the ground like
snow, and was piled 3 ft. high in some places. There was one fatality from a
car skidding on the hail-covered road.You be careful out there!

Sherry
Hopitus2 - 26 Apr 2004 08:39 GMT
Guess Dan has airbrakes on his rig. Assume he knows his stuff. What I admire
those truckers for is handling their rigs on the steep grades, like the one
swooping down into San Luis Obispo 101 southbound, and of course the
grand-daddy of them all, the Grapevine through the LA forest, with all its
gravel burnout pits all the way into City of Angels. First time I drove on
that (in a car) there were about 16 cows in the car with us by the time it
leveled out at the bottom......

: >I was at the Flying J Truck Stop in Oklahoma City Thursday night and got
: >a little bit of rain. Driving from OKC into Albuquerque yesterday I was
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: Sherry
Sherry - 26 Apr 2004 15:24 GMT
>Guess Dan has airbrakes on his rig. Assume he knows his stuff. What I admire
>those truckers for is handling their rigs on the steep grades, like the one
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>that (in a car) there were about 16 cows in the car with us by the time it
>leveled out at the bottom......

Don't know a *thing* about brakes...but I do have all the admiration and awe in
the world for those guys. How they manage to maneuver those big rigs is a
mystery to me. I can't even parallel park my car. And it's just a Mustang.

Sherry
John F. Eldredge - 26 Apr 2004 18:15 GMT
>>Guess Dan has airbrakes on his rig. Assume he knows his stuff. What
>>I admire those truckers for is handling their rigs on the steep
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>those big rigs is a mystery to me. I can't even parallel park my
>car. And it's just a Mustang.  

One thing that always amazes me is to watch a big rig back up to a
loading dock and stop a hands-width away from it.  It is hard enough
judging distances in the mirror when backing a car.  Some trucks now
have video cameras on the back bumper, but most 18-wheeler drivers
rely on the Mark I eyeball.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 27 Apr 2004 06:34 GMT
> ...of course the grand-daddy of them all, the Grapevine through the LA
> forest, with all its gravel burnout pits all the way into City of Angels.

I drove up to Seattle from SF a couple of years ago, and in some areas in
Oregon, there are very steep downhill grades with areas set aside for
runaway trucks to slide into if necessary. Is that what you mean by "burnout
pits"? It was very sobering to realize what had precipitated the building
of those areas.

Joyce
Hopitus2 - 27 Apr 2004 07:28 GMT
You got it, Joyce. It's bad enough driving a car down the
Grapevine....you're on I-5, sighing in relief that LA is only "a big hill
(snicker) away" when you top that hill and lo, the road widens and you're on
a steep grade surrounded by heavy traffic - many semi's - and nobody's
slowing much. Every once in awhile, you pass on side of road a long gravel
pit.
No buildings that I remember there, just that huge LA forest....somewhere in
there is that amusement park the natives are crazy about. Loaded semi's are
evidently much harder than cars to slow down and keep from "runaway"
status.....if they keep standing on their brakes they'll "burnout" and
drivers can pull into these gravel pits and eventually slow to a stop, and I
suppose let their brakes cool off for awhile. I understand drum and disc
brakes but don't know beans re airbrakes, which cars don't have to my
knowledge.

:  > ...of course the grand-daddy of them all, the Grapevine through the LA
:  > forest, with all its gravel burnout pits all the way into City of Angels.
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: Joyce
Tanada - 28 Apr 2004 06:38 GMT
>  > ...of course the grand-daddy of them all, the Grapevine through the LA
>  > forest, with all its gravel burnout pits all the way into City of Angels.
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> pits"? It was very sobering to realize what had precipitated the building
> of those areas.

I-95 of Lewiston Idaho is a 7% grade for 6 miles and has a bunch of the
gravel turn-outs.  Every year at least one semi does a crash and burn on
the grade and every year those turn-outs get a major work-out.  I've
been lucky, so far, not to have to see one.

Rob did see one go flying by once.  It had lost its brakes and was
barely able to stop just short of the river.  I'm glad I wasn't there.

I didn't realize how steep the roads in the west can be until I was
driving them after being in Kentucky for 5 years.  I'd become spoiled by
the relative flat lands in the mid-west.  I'm looking forward to the
adventure of driving through the south and southwest.

Pam S. who had depended on semi-drivers for assistance for a long time
John F. Eldredge - 28 Apr 2004 18:22 GMT
>>  > ...of course the grand-daddy of them all, the Grapevine through
>> the LA
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>barely able to stop just short of the river.  I'm glad I wasn't
>there.  

Monteagle Mountain, between Nashville and Chattanooga, has a
down-slope several miles long, and truckers going down this slope on
Interstate 24 sometimes have brake failure.  I remember reading about
one case, several years ago, where a truck with burnt-out brakes made
it into a turn-out near the bottom.  Unfortunately, he was moving
fast enough that, despite the deep gravel intended to stop the truck,
it went out the far side of the turn-out, over an earthen berm, and
off a cliff, killing the driver.

Nashville is the junction point for three Interstates (I-24, I-65,
and I-40), so we have hundreds of trucks, and thousands of cars,
passing through each day.  About once a month, on the average, I see
an 18-wheeler that has overturned after trying to take an exit ramp
curve too fast.  Fortunately, most of those accidents aren't fatal.

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Hopitus2 - 28 Apr 2004 19:42 GMT
Well, I'm sure semi-drivers know how to deal w/the Grapevine. I was always
at the wheel of a car, though, a much lighter vehicle to try to slow
momentum of.....as I said, it's like you top this killer hill, thinking LA
is right over it, and voila.....all of a sudden you're driving in the Indy
500, downhill racing, and ho ho: LA is barely visible way on the other side
of the Valley (as in "Valley Girls", etc. ) Slow as it was (as in "I Can't
Drive 55", Sammy Hagar: 16 hours, here to LA) I always preferred 101, with
all the interesting towns and sights all the way from Bay Area to Ventura
Blvd.

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David Yehudah - 24 Apr 2004 12:30 GMT
I grew up not too far from there, in Sherman, Texas, and that is one
thing I miss most about the area; a beautiful thunderstorm, with lots of
lightning. The last time I was up there, a storm came through about
midnight, and I got a lawn chair and sat out in the yard and watched.
Got wet, too! Gorgeous.

> here, so the Touchstone crew were all gathered on Sammy's new storm
> shelter. Sammy wasn't nearly as scared tonight, perhaps because we
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> it looked like Duncan caught it pretty good, lots of rain and good
> sized hail.
Sherry - 24 Apr 2004 13:39 GMT
>I grew up not too far from there, in Sherman, Texas, and that is one
>thing I miss most about the area; a beautiful thunderstorm, with lots of
>lightning. The last time I was up there, a storm came through about
>midnight, and I got a lawn chair and sat out in the yard and watched.
>Got wet, too! Gorgeous.

I used to be a lot like Steve's cats re: thunderstorms: I was too afraid to
really appreciate the spectacular lightning shows.  But you're right, it really
is amazing and beautiful.

Sherry
JBHajos - 24 Apr 2004 14:03 GMT
>I grew up not too far from there, in Sherman, Texas, and that is one
>thing I miss most about the area; a beautiful thunderstorm, with lots of
>lightning.

 When we first moved to the Canaveral area in Florida, we were amazed
at the lightning shows.  Didn't need a storm to go with them.  Just
stand outside and watch flash after flash after flash.  Spectacular!!!

So much lightning in that area that scientists came down to study it!

 Jeanne
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 25 Apr 2004 00:17 GMT
> When we first moved to the Canaveral area in Florida, we were amazed
> at the lightning shows.  Didn't need a storm to go with them.  Just
> stand outside and watch flash after flash after flash.  Spectacular!!!
> So much lightning in that area that scientists came down to study it!

Wow. I miss thunderstorms! We had 'em in Massachusetts, where I grew up,
but you just don't get many of them in coastal California. (Maybe the
Central Valley gets them, I don't know.) I've seen maybe 2 or 3 of them
in the entire 12 years I've lived here.

I also miss warm summer rains. Summer is our dry season - it only rains
in winter, when it's chilly and raw. You never want to take your shoes
off and run around in a downpour, for example! I used to do that in MA -
especially in an afternoon shower after a hot day.

Joyce
Jo Firey - 25 Apr 2004 01:09 GMT
>  > When we first moved to the Canaveral area in Florida, we were amazed
>  > at the lightning shows.  Didn't need a storm to go with them.  Just
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>
> Joyce

I'm with you.  I loved thunderstorms on the east coast.  Especially after a
hot summer day.

I've been in the central valley of California for over thirty years now.  I
doubt we average a thunder and lightening once a year, and often when we do
get them they are late at night.  I'd guess the kids have only had the
chance to play out in the rain four or five times that whole time.

Jo
O J - 25 Apr 2004 11:07 GMT
>I'm with you.  I loved thunderstorms on the east coast.  Especially after a
>hot summer day.
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>
>Jo

      I remember watching one really great thunderstorm one time from
Long Island, New York.  It was way in the distance to the south, and
we just thought it was pretty.  We went inside and turned on the TV to
find that it had knocked out the power to northern New Jersey.

Regards and Purrs,
O J Gritmon
Steve Touchstone - 25 Apr 2004 05:01 GMT
>Wow. I miss thunderstorms! We had 'em in Massachusetts, where I grew up,
>but you just don't get many of them in coastal California. (Maybe the
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>
>Joyce
I was born and raised in the Central Valley (Bakersfield). I didn't
really know what rain was until the Army sent me to San Antonio. One
good Texas thunderstorm put out a year's worth of Bakersfield
rainfall. LOL
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Karen Chuplis - 25 Apr 2004 05:24 GMT
>> Wow. I miss thunderstorms! We had 'em in Massachusetts, where I grew up,
>> but you just don't get many of them in coastal California. (Maybe the
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> good Texas thunderstorm put out a year's worth of Bakersfield
> rainfall. LOL

LOL!! My mom spent some time in Bakersfield and she was from Detroit. She
recalls people saying "Look at it come down!!" and she thought they were
kidding about the light rainfall. She finally came to realize...they MEANT
it :)

Karen
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 25 Apr 2004 11:15 GMT
> I was born and raised in the Central Valley (Bakersfield). I didn't
> really know what rain was until the Army sent me to San Antonio. One
> good Texas thunderstorm put out a year's worth of Bakersfield
> rainfall. LOL

Hmm... I thought there would be a decent amount of rain in the Central
Valley since so much food is grown there. But maybe not in Bakersfield?

Joyce
Jo Firey - 25 Apr 2004 16:02 GMT
>  > I was born and raised in the Central Valley (Bakersfield). I didn't
>  > really know what rain was until the Army sent me to San Antonio. One
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>
> Joyce

We irrigate.

Jo
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 25 Apr 2004 22:36 GMT
>> Hmm... I thought there would be a decent amount of rain in the Central
>> Valley since so much food is grown there. But maybe not in Bakersfield?
> We irrigate.

I thought that might be the case. Where do you get the water? Yeah, yeah,
I've lived in the state 12 years and I Should Know This, but I don't. I
hear various pieces of information, something about "Hetch Hetchy" (what
*is* that??) and I guess Tahoe, that supply the state with water. All I
know is that LA is completely dependent on Northern CA for water.

Joyce
Jo Firey - 25 Apr 2004 23:43 GMT
The irrigation water for the central valley comes from the winter snow pack
in the mountains.

For more information see http://tinyurl.com/yqqa6

I've heard that the California Aqueduct and the great wall of China are the
only man made things visible from outer space.

Jo

>  >> Hmm... I thought there would be a decent amount of rain in the Central
>  >> Valley since so much food is grown there. But maybe not in Bakersfield?
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>
> Joyce
Steve Touchstone - 26 Apr 2004 00:40 GMT
> >> Hmm... I thought there would be a decent amount of rain in the Central
> >> Valley since so much food is grown there. But maybe not in Bakersfield?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Joyce

It's been years since I lived there, joined the Army in '73 and only
been back for visits since, but California has spent mega-bucks to
distribute water around the state. Like you say, the LA basin gets
lots of water down from Northern Ca, which has to be pumped up over
the mountains. Last I heard, there was talk about trying to bring some
water to San Diego from the Colorado River, again up over mountains. A
lot of the Co River now ends up in the Imperial Valley, again big
agriculture area which is desert dependent on irrigation. Lots and
lots of lettuce comes from there, as well as cotton and other crops.

As far as the Central Valley goes, water coming down from the
mountains is diverted into several manmade lakes, Lakes Ming,
Isabella, and Success come to mind, and they also get lots of that
Northern Calif water. About 2/3 of the Valley watershed in in the
north, while the southern end only averages about 5 inches of rain
annually.

The Kern River pretty much ends once it reaches the Valley. If you're
a CW music fan you might remember a Merle Haggard song, from years
ago, about a friend who drowns in the Mighty Kern River. When I was
growing up he, and Buck Owens, both lived out by the mouth of the
valley where the River came down into the Central Valley. It was
growing up it was just a dry riverbed by the time it reached
Bakersfield, though the last few years they have been letting a
trickle of water run most of the time.

All this is a pretty simplistic overview of one of the world's biggest
water distribution systems, which has been on ongoing thing since the
1880s. I was really fascinated by it back in high school. A lot of
what I'm saying may be outdated, since it comes from what I remember
researching a term paper in High school.

You'll find thousands of articles if you google it - which I did to
remind myself about Hetch Hetchy. Hetch Hetchy is the part of the
system which transfers water from Yosemite to San Francisco. Built
between the thirties, John Muir led the fight to keep the Yosemite
River from being dammed. It's such a concern now because it can't keep
up with demand, is old needs major reconstruction, and crosses three
major earthquake fault lines. If you remember a few years ago when the
Silicon Valley was really hurting during a drought, that's the system
from which they get their water, IIRC.

OK, I'll back away from the podium now so we can get back to the truly
important cat related stuff.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 27 Apr 2004 06:29 GMT
> All this is a pretty simplistic overview of one of the world's biggest
> water distribution systems, which has been on ongoing thing since the
> 1880s. I was really fascinated by it back in high school.

I guess a lot of people are fascinated by it. The movie Chinatown revolved
around the CA (specifically, LA) water system and the political corruption
connected with it.

> You'll find thousands of articles if you google it - which I did to
> remind myself about Hetch Hetchy. Hetch Hetchy is the part of the
> system which transfers water from Yosemite to San Francisco.

Ah, makes sense. No wonder I hear it mentioned fairly often. (Usually
in a headline in a local paper, or as a phrase in a newscast.) I haven't
been interested enough to tune in to those stories, but since we were on
the subject I figured this was a good time to ask about it.

> If you remember a few years ago when the Silicon Valley was really
> hurting during a drought

Sure do! I lived there then.

> OK, I'll back away from the podium now so we can get back to the truly
> important cat related stuff.

I think my cat Licorice would beg to differ that discussions of water,
particularly water flowing through pipes, from faucets, and down drains,
is not important cat-related stuff! :)

Joyce
Steve Touchstone - 25 Apr 2004 18:42 GMT
> > I was born and raised in the Central Valley (Bakersfield). I didn't
> > really know what rain was until the Army sent me to San Antonio. One
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Joyce

No, Kern County, of which Bakersfield is the county seat, actually
doesn't get much rain. Lots of good land for farming since way back
when it had moutains on three sides which drained into it. But, most
of the crops grown are irrigated and adapted to dry climate.

BTW, one of my early jobs as a teenager was riding around the citrus
groves on a honda dirt bike carrying a shovel. I'd turn on the water
and watch it make its way up and down the lines of trees. Pretty good
job, riding around watching the water and the occassional jack rabbit.
Much better than my previous job picking grapes, where I lasted one
morning. There we got paid by how many we picked, and the experienced
hands picked 3 or 4 times what I did.
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Hopitus2 - 25 Apr 2004 20:39 GMT
Joyce, have you ever been to Bakersfield? I went through there several times
when we lived in Bay area and it's so dry the ground is "cracked" like those
pics you see of the Death Valley area! Even this dumb city critter knew they
had to be irrigating stuff there; they do grow some great big veggies.

:  > I was born and raised in the Central Valley (Bakersfield). I didn't
:  > really know what rain was until the Army sent me to San Antonio. One
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:
: Joyce
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 25 Apr 2004 22:39 GMT
> Joyce, have you ever been to Bakersfield? I went through there
> several times when we lived in Bay area and it's so dry the
> ground is "cracked" like those pics you see of the Death Valley
> area! Even this dumb city critter knew they had to be irrigating
> stuff there; they do grow some great big veggies.

I've never been in Bakersfield, no. Drove through it once, on Highway 5,
on the way to LA. But I didn't get a good sense of it. I probably know
more about the Central Valley from Marcia Muller mysteries than I do
from my experience living in this state.

Joyce - an even dumber city critter :)
Annie Wxill - 25 Apr 2004 19:41 GMT
... One
> good Texas thunderstorm put out a year's worth of Bakersfield
> rainfall. LOL
> Steve Touchstone,
That is the truth.  We had a terrible storm last night, here on the S.E.
Texas coast. Thunder booming, lightning flashing, howling wind and pouring
rain four about five hours. Fortunately, we have roll down hurricane
shutters, so we can shut the storm out and muffle the noise. I was so glad I
did not have to drive to work today. The local news was warning about
flooded roads in town.
Rosie was on our bed all night.  Storms don't bother her.  She was homeless
the first seven months of her life and she knows it is a good thing being
safe and dry inside. Cinder started the night downstairs, but came upstairs
whimpering when it got really bad.
Annie
badwilson - 25 Apr 2004 03:17 GMT
> here, so the Touchstone crew were all gathered on Sammy's new storm
> shelter. Sammy wasn't nearly as scared tonight, perhaps because we
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> it looked like Duncan caught it pretty good, lots of rain and good
> sized hail.

Oh, I'm so jealous.  I really want a good thunderstorm.  It hasn't rained
here in over a month and everything is so dry and brown.  And hot.  About
39C.  Our car overheats in traffic and there's nothing even wrong with the
radiator.
This morning there was some thunder and I got really excited thinking we'd
finally get some rain, but no joy :-(
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