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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / April 2004Help!! Bad, BAD Tommy!!
He found a nest of baby rabbits in the yard and brought one in to show me. Dropped it under my desk, still alive. I of course took it away from him and put it in a soft bed and started warming some KMR. Meanwhile, Tommy went back out and got baby #2 and brought it in. I knew because he made it squeal. Took it away and put it with #1. Then I followed Tommy because I knew he would go back to the nest. Sure enough, he led me straight to the last remaining baby, which I picked up gently and carried in to be with #1 & #2. Now all 3 babies were eating a bit every couple hours but #1 was unable to use one hind leg and #2 was very frightened - no doubt from the trauma of being caught by Tommy. Baby #1 kept losing ground, body temp seemed too low, but still eating heartily. Well to make a long story short, #1 & #2 were dead when I went to feed at 6 p.m. and #3 had jumped out of the box and was hiding under a cabinet. #1 was already becoming stiff while #2 was still warm when found. #3 seemed traumatized and did not want the 6 p.m. meal but ate the 8 p.m. meal. He is in my breast pocket now. I watched for a long time both last night and this morning for mother rabbit but she never showed. Possibly a stray cat, dog or coyote snatched her. I need advice for keeping the last baby alive. He is probably about a month old, I can't be sure because I just haven't had any wild rabbit experience before. He is getting warmed evaporated goat's milk fortified with a bit of cold-pressed rice bran oil, rice honey, maca powder and strained rice porridge, as much as he will take, every 2-3 hours. Assuming he lives, how long should I keep this up before turning him loose (far from the house - and cats - of course)? Also, is there a better formula for rabbit babies? Here in Australia we have vets who are connected to *Wires* I dont know what the letters stand for but its an organisation that takes care of wild animals Injured or such. I rescued a big bird once that had obviously been hit by one car but was still on its feet and trying to dodge a stream of other cars it was funny in a way, a few of us were watching in horror and I had a baby I asked a young girl to hold the pram while I advanced into the middle of the road holding my hand up in the stop position like a flipping policeman but it worked and they stopped to let me pick the bird up I think it was a crow of all things a shop keeper gave me a piece of cloth to wrap around its talons and the girl pushed the pram and we took it to the vet who I knew was in wires they care for them and then set them free. This turned out to be longer than I meant it to be. Have you got such an organisation you could take the little bunny to,I hope it survives poor baby, no mama no siblings it needed our dog to find it, and maybe your puppy was trying to save these poor little creatures,after all a lot of dogs would have finished them off out there, but he brought them to you cause he knew you would care, so it could be he was a good dog not a bad dog. Cheers Jean. <spam.me.not.pdavis@fidnet.com> wrote in message news:Z_ydnYtd7aKVhBbdRVn-jA@fidnet.com... > He found a nest of baby rabbits in the yard and brought one in to show me. > Dropped it under my desk, still alive. I of course took it away from him and [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > (far from the house - and cats - of course)? Also, is there a better formula > for rabbit babies? Jean, We have wildlife rescue groups with vets, but I haven't a clue where or even if there's one around me. Baby is wriggling around in my pocket as I type. He is eating well. I will make him a nest in a small cat carrier and buy some rabbit pellets when I get to town, serve them soaked in milk initially. BTW Tommy is a *cat* and was just being a cat. Catch and kill anything that moves, but first bring it in the house to show meowmie. Pat P.S. I always stop traffic for snakes and turtles. Once I found a wild turkey hen in the road, just sitting there, completely uninjured. I parked the car and carried her into the woods. > Here in Australia we have vets who are connected > to *Wires* I dont know what the letters stand for [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > to you cause he knew you would care, so it could be he was a good dog not a > bad dog. Cheers Jean. You might call your local humane society or rescue organization. Maybe they can refer you to help. Or you could do a search on line. Joy > Jean, > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > a > > bad dog. Cheers Jean. >Jean, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >make him a nest in a small cat carrier and buy some rabbit pellets when I >get to town, serve them soaked in milk initially. As with tiny kitties, keep him warm! Here is one page with instructions for caring for the baby: <http://tinyurl.com/22z96> Purrs for his recovery! Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) OOOOh! sorry Tommy, but still you did well to bring them into Meowmie, maby you thought they were baby kitty's eh? give you the benefit of the doubt,so your still a good dog, sorree, I meant cat of course Jean.P. > Jean, > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > a > > bad dog. Cheers Jean. > Jean, ...> Pat > P.S. I always stop traffic for snakes and turtles. Once I found a wild > turkey hen in the road, just sitting there, completely uninjured. I parked > the car and carried her into the woods. Good luck with the baby rabbit. My husband and I both stop for turtles and snakes and any other living thing in the road. I stopped once and picked up an injured sea gull, who let me know it did not appreciate it one bit. But it had a badly broken wing and I took it to a bird rehabilitator an gave her a donation. I got her name and phone number from our vet, so if you need to find someone for the baby rabbit, you might call your vet and ask who to call. Annie >I need advice for keeping the last baby alive. He is probably about a month >old, I can't be sure because I just haven't had any wild rabbit experience [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >(far from the house - and cats - of course)? Also, is there a better formula >for rabbit babies? Baby rabbits are tough to keep alive. Generally mom puts her babies in a shallow nest lined with dry grass. She leaves all day long to feed them comes back at dusk to feed the babies. If the baby is injured, mom won't take them back. If you were to have put the baby back in the nest, locked the cat up, and mom didnt' get the baby and move it by nightfall, mom is dead. Contact a rehabilitator to take care of the baby for you. They have all medications, special feeding supplies and special formula besides years of experience. Here's a list, find one in your area http://www.tc.umn.edu/~devo0028/contact.htm Sooo much easier and the babies have a better chance of survival. That sounds like good advice Jean.P. > >I need advice for keeping the last baby alive. He is probably about a month > >old, I can't be sure because I just haven't had any wild rabbit experience [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > http://www.tc.umn.edu/~devo0028/contact.htm Sooo much easier and the babies > have a better chance of survival. He's still alive and seems well. I put a shallow dish of water in his box last night along with some fresh greens, and this morning there is evidence that he ate and drank during the night. I've been reading up on care of wild baby rabbits. They don't need much attention at all, in fact only one feeding in the morning and one at night. I need not have worried when he refused milk. According to what I read, mother rabbit never moves babies like mother cats move kittens. Today I will put him out in the sun where he can eat grass and clover - under a heavy plastic crate for protection from cats. He will be big enough to set free in about a week. > Baby rabbits are tough to keep alive. Generally mom puts her babies in a > shallow nest lined with dry grass. She leaves all day long to feed them comes [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > http://www.tc.umn.edu/~devo0028/contact.htm Sooo much easier and the babies > have a better chance of survival. >Today I will put him out in the sun where he can eat grass and clover - >under a heavy plastic crate for protection from cats. He will be big enough >to set free in about a week. I'm a Fish & Game wildlife rehabilitator. My speciality is squirrels and opossums. I'd still call a rabbit specialist and ask their opinion. Some of the stuff on the web is not correct. A Fish & Game licensed rabbit specialist would know exactly. Better safe than sorry. > He found a nest of baby rabbits in the yard and brought one in to show me. > Dropped it under my desk, still alive. I of course took it away from him and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >(snipped) Oh my. Short of getting advice from your vet, I don't have any idea what to do for baby rabbits, but I wanted to post to send our purrs for you and the little guy, if the baby bunny isn't too traumatised by anything cat-related for purrs to help. ------ Krista I just talked with a person that raises rabbits and has done so for quite some time. She suggested a few things. 1. DO NOT FEED IT DANDELION FLOWERS!!!!!!! Dandelion greens are ok but not the flowers. 2. Rabbit pellets would be good along with fruits and vegetables. 3. Make certain that it has plenty of water. It would be bad for it to dehydrate. 4. When putting the little one out in the yard, make certain that it can stay warm. 5. Don't play with or hold in pocket too much as it will become too tame and not be able to be released to the wild. 6. A heating pad in the carrier at night to keep the bunny warm might help. If it were me I would put the heating pad under the carrier so it would not be chewed on. 7. A block of wood for the little critter to chew on would be good for it to exercise it's teeth. Make certain it isn't pressure treated though. From sad experience. if you use a heat pad, make sure the animal can get off of it if it gets too hot. The darned things can be dangerous, even set on low. Jo > I just talked with a person that raises rabbits and has done so for quite > some time. She suggested a few things. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > 7. A block of wood for the little critter to chew on would be good for it to > exercise it's teeth. Make certain it isn't pressure treated though. One other thing is that the little critter will likely eat grass clippings before they will eat the pellets. Some pet stores sell pet grass and that might be something the little one likes to try. If not that then maybe some sort of little hay bale for caged rodents would be appropriate. First off - thanks to all who gave suggestions and information. Baby bunny #3 is alive and well this evening. He spent the day out in the yard under aheavy plastic crate in a carefully chosen spot with plenty of green munchy goodies to nibble. After sundown he drank his evening milk meal, then kicked and fought to get away, like a good healthy scared rabbit should. I then moved the crate to the original nest area, added a wool scarf in the corner that he could snuggle into or under, and left the rocks off the ends of the crate in case mama showed up so she could climb in and out. I doubt that baby will leave. Although he fought to get away, he did not want to leave my hand when I opened it to let him go into the nest. Tommy as well as the other cats are locked in for the night. Another update to follow after the morning feeding. >First off - thanks to all who gave suggestions and information. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Another update to follow after the morning feeding. Poor teeny tiny fella! So glad he seems to be OK. Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) Purrs and best wishes for the bunny,  SignaturePolonca & Soncek > First off - thanks to all who gave suggestions and information. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > meal, then kicked and fought to get away, like a good healthy scared rabbit > should. <snip Altho I didn't write this morning as promised, bunny is still OK. Just finished his evening meal and is asleep in his crate. Last night he managed to escape and was not under the crate this morning. While I was looking thru the surrounding grass, Eli found him for me. I didn't even realize that Eli was out.... Poor baby got caught TWICE by the cat before I could get over there and rescue him. Nevertheless he ate some breakfast and didn't seem to be harmed, only scared. He does seem to be determined to survive. He kicked and scratched so hard after supper that I wasn't even able to wipe his little face. What I'm gathering as I read all the wild-bunny-rescue info on the 'net is that they almost always die despite best efforts, but this one so far despite my mistakes has done well. I just wish I had known more, better information, sooner than I did. I hope this doesn't ever happen again, but if it does, I'll have more knowledge under my belt. >Altho I didn't write this morning as promised, bunny is still OK. Just >finished his evening meal and is asleep in his crate. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >I hope this doesn't ever happen again, but if it does, I'll have more >knowledge under my belt. Fingers crossed for the little guy to hang in there. He sounds really gutsy. Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) What an appetite he had this morning! I kept him inside because it got real cold last night, and this morning he was not in his nest box (!) he was behind the toilet on the bathroom floor. Bad baby! This is not safe! But he must have spenyt most of the night in the box, because it had lots of fresh poop in one corner. Anyway this morning he even cleaned the spilled milk drops off my shirt :) He will be spending the day out under his crate, in the sun. >What an appetite he had this morning! > >I kept him inside because it got real cold last night, and this morning he >was not in his nest box (!) he was behind the toilet on the bathroom floor. >Bad baby! This is not safe! But he must have spenyt most of the night in the >box, because it had lots of fresh poop in one corner. That's something to get used to with bunnies. They poop some interesting-looking stuff every night-- it's a good sign. If you don't see it, there's something wrong. >Anyway this morning he even cleaned the spilled milk drops off my shirt :) > >He will be spending the day out under his crate, in the sun. Bless his little bunny heart. ;) Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) > >What an appetite he had this morning! > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > interesting-looking stuff every night-- it's a good sign. If you > don't see it, there's something wrong. And they recycle it. Rabbits have to eat their food twice - ie they eat their own poop - because their little digestive tracts aren't long enough to fully digest the cellulose. They can be easily trained to use litter trays, because they are in the habit of pooping in one place. SignatureJette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes jette@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ >What an appetite he had this morning! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >He will be spending the day out under his crate, in the sun. How hot is it in your area? A day in the sun could cook him. He needs shade! He has plenty of shade under that crate. There's a bundle of hay, a wool hat, some shredded paper and a small towel, in addition to the tall grass in the center, not to mention the crate's corner structures, gives him numerous places to get out of the sun if he wants to. Anyway, it's only going to be around 70 degrees here today. > >He will be spending the day out under his crate, in the sun. > How hot is it in your area? A day in the sun could cook him. He > needs shade! > He has plenty of shade under that crate. There's a bundle of hay, a > wool hat, some shredded paper and a small towel, in addition to the > tall grass in the center, not to mention the crate's corner structures, > gives him numerous places to get out of the sun if he wants to. My god - how big is that crate?? Bundle of hay? Tall grass in the center? Corner structures? It's starting to sound like some kind of compound! :) Joyce Joyce, it's a heavy plastic milk crate that holds... I dunno, maybe 6-8 one-gallon bottles? I put heavy rocks outside the handle-hold holes on the sides (which, when crate is upside down, would provide an escape for baby bunny). Today, baby bunny managed to push one of the rocks far enough away to escape... again! When I went for him to give his evening meal, he was not there. Abelard found him for me, bunny was hopping for all he was worth in my direction with Abelard on his tail. Abelard did not bite or pick him up, thank goodness. Baby bunny then proceeded to eat, very enthusiastically, the largest amount he's eaten at one time since he came under my care. He's in bed for the night now, in a *very* deep box in the bathroom, with a pile of puffed millet to munch on during the night. He won't be able to jump out of this one! Tomorrow I will have to find bigger, heavier rocks for the sides of the crate. At the rate he's starting to eat for me, he'll be big enough to release in another week or so. > > He has plenty of shade under that crate. There's a bundle of hay, a > > wool hat, some shredded paper and a small towel, in addition to the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Joyce > Tomorrow I will have to find bigger, heavier rocks for the sides of the > crate. At the rate he's starting to eat for me, he'll be big enough to > release in another week or so. What a fighter he is! No wonder he stayed alive. Of course, that is greatly due to your care. Purrs for the little mite. Not that I think he needs them at this point, as he is doing so well. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki >Joyce, it's a heavy plastic milk crate that holds... I dunno, maybe 6-8 >one-gallon bottles? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >with Abelard on his tail. Abelard did not bite or pick him up, thank >goodness. (snip) My goodness-- he is not just any bunny-- he is Super Bunny! Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) This morning, all his puffed millet was gone, and he drank even more milk than last night (faster, too). I gave him another supply of puffed millet. I'm surprised he likes that so much. Sounds like he's thriving, Pat -- great job! Christine > This morning, all his puffed millet was gone, and he drank even more milk > than last night (faster, too). I gave him another supply of puffed millet. > I'm surprised he likes that so much. >This morning, all his puffed millet was gone, and he drank even more milk >than last night (faster, too). I gave him another supply of puffed millet. >I'm surprised he likes that so much. It sounds like your skunk got reincarnated. :) >He has plenty of shade under that crate. There's a bundle of hay, a wool >hat, some shredded paper and a small towel, in addition to the tall grass in >the center, not to mention the crate's corner structures, gives him numerous >places to get out of the sun if he wants to. Anyway, it's only going to be >around 70 degrees here today. He will soon start trying to dig a hole in the ground. Rabbits need a burrow. Rabbits are most active in the early morning or late afternoon. Otherwise they hole up in a burrow or brushy spot. I have a lot of cottontails in my area. They really like a juniper tree I have that has branches close to the ground. Unfortunately, they started to dig a burrow under it last year. So I put used cat litter in the hole. Now they will shade up under the tree but don't dig under it. -- CATherine >>He has plenty of shade under that crate. There's a bundle of hay, a wool >>hat, some shredded paper and a small towel, in addition to the tall grass in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >dig a burrow under it last year. So I put used cat litter in the hole. >Now they will shade up under the tree but don't dig under it. Rabbits are really interesting, aren't they? They have a lot of personality, and they're amazingly tough little characters-- really more like Bugs Bunny than meek and mild. ;) In their own social structures, they are very assertive, so when they are domesticated and feel secure around other species-- when they've accepted them into their social structure-- they get very pushy and bossy. ;) I've seen some domestic rabbits stand up to dogs, and even bully them a bit. A friend of mine with rabbits once told me, "Rabbits don't make requests." ;) Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) > Rabbits are really interesting, aren't they? They have a lot of > personality, and they're amazingly tough little characters-- really [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > bully them a bit. A friend of mine with rabbits once told me, > "Rabbits don't make requests." ;) Ever read Sluggy Freelance with BunBun the evil rabbit? Got introduced to them from John Ringo novels and have been working my way up from the start in 1997. He has the whole thing online at www.sluggy.com I'd start at the begging where Riff's computer is possessed by Satan which leads them going to a Star Trek/Aliens crossover, vampires, Satan's kittens, a talking ferret infected with a deadly nanobot plague, Lora Kraftincheese, Oasis the female acrobatic assassin, Buffy the Vampire Baker and the Dimension of Pain. It is funny stuff. > > Rabbits are really interesting, aren't they? They have a lot of > > personality, and they're amazingly tough little characters-- really [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Oasis the female acrobatic assassin, Buffy the Vampire Baker and the > Dimension of Pain. It is funny stuff. The best rabbit book, IMHO is Watership Down by Richard Adams. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/068483605X/qid=1083199494/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2 _1/104-4252764-2707167 'You bite the rope and off you go and General Woundworth doesn't know...' Signature-Kim owned by Egbert, Niobe, Sekhar and Rocket take the cat out before you reply one cat just leads to another... http://photos.yahoo.com/sir_eg_of_bert >The best rabbit book, IMHO is Watership Down by Richard Adams. >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/068483605X/qid=1083199494/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2 _1/104-4252764-2707167 > >'You bite the rope and off you go and General Woundworth doesn't know...' I think that's the best rabbit book in everyone's humble opinion. :) >Rabbits are really interesting, aren't they? They have a lot of >personality, and they're amazingly tough little characters-- really [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Theresa >alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ We had a couple rabbits one summer when I was a kid, and like you say they had definite personalities. They drove our daschund crazy, as he just knew they were supposed to be prey but they didn't agree. They teased that poor d*g mercilessly. Unfortunately, Dad said they had to go when they started eating the rosebushes. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html |
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