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I'm the worse daddy in the world!

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Victor Martinez - 19 Apr 2004 14:24 GMT
This morning I decided it had been long enough and it was time to dose
the Fantastic Seven (TM) with Revolution (a topical medication for
fleas, ticks, worms, and all kinds of parasites). I got the seven vials
and put them in my pocket. Fez and Rufous took it and didn't even notice
it! Such good boys... we'll see if they act the same way next month.
Xoxo didn't seem to care until he actually felt the liquid, then he jump
and ran away. Basho and Luna were still unaware of my treachery 'cuz
they didn't run from me until after they had been dosed. However, Issa
and Maya recognized the smell and ran for their lives!
It took me a while to catch them, Tom had to help with Issa because he
got really angry, clawing and yowling. Maya just would not get close to
me. I finally caught her off-guard and dosed her. She ran away and gave
me the baddest death look ever.
I'm such a bad daddy this morning...

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 19 Apr 2004 15:05 GMT
>She ran away and gave
>me the baddest death look ever.
>I'm such a bad daddy this morning...

Yup same reaction from my three with Frontline. They do try to put the guilt
trips on us ;-)

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MaryL - 19 Apr 2004 15:27 GMT
> This morning I decided it had been long enough and it was time to dose
> the Fantastic Seven (TM) with Revolution (a topical medication for
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> me the baddest death look ever.
> I'm such a bad daddy this morning...

Holly and Duffy don't object to Advantage (and it is very rare when I need
to use it ...usually after I have had visitors who apparently imported some
fleas).  I haven't tried Frontline.  I tried Revolution just once, and both
cats had an immediate reaction.  Holly hated it, but Duffy literally jumped
straight up in the air at least 2 feet and then ran desperately around the
room like a maniac.  I was really frightened for him.  He is blind, and he
ran into several walls and objects in his mad dash.  I finally was able to
catch him and soothe him.  Never again!  I asked at the vet clinic, and they
said some cats do have this reaction to Revolution.  It is an "all-purpose"
product, and I am now suspicious of the number of components in it.

MaryL
Victor Martinez - 20 Apr 2004 01:22 GMT
> said some cats do have this reaction to Revolution.  It is an "all-purpose"
> product, and I am now suspicious of the number of components in it.

It actually has just one ingredient, that's why we use it. We used to
use Program or Advantage and Heartguard. Now we only use Revolution.
Half of them sure hate it though...

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Cheryl - 20 Apr 2004 01:34 GMT
Victor Martinez <me@nospam.com> dumped this in  news:T2_gc.2961$hR1.379
@fe2.texas.rr.com on 19 Apr 2004:

> It actually has just one ingredient, that's why we use it. We used to
> use Program or Advantage and Heartguard. Now we only use Revolution.
> Half of them sure hate it though...

I think I'll ask our vet about that. I know she doesn't carry it but I'm
starting to wonder about Advantage based on some responses in these groups
lately. Poor Shamrock has what appears to be flea allergies but in several
examinations by vets, no signs of fleas have been found but to one with
severe flea allergy, it only takes a single bite. I always treated him like
clockwork with Advantage but maybe it let in a flea or two?  Now with them
going out again (outdoor enclosure), I have to think about heartworm, too.

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Yowie - 21 Apr 2004 03:55 GMT
> > said some cats do have this reaction to Revolution.  It is an "all-purpose"
> > product, and I am now suspicious of the number of components in it.
>
> It actually has just one ingredient, that's why we use it. We used to
> use Program or Advantage and Heartguard. Now we only use Revolution.
> Half of them sure hate it though...

We use Frontline. Shmogg takes it stoicly, but the last time we did Fluffy,
she went absolutley barking mad, and tried so very hard to get it off her
neck we figured it must be burning her, and had to give her an emergency
bath (not easy, considering she also hates baths).

It sbeen over ayear since we last tried to use Frontline, and quite frankly,
I'm not going to use another flea product until I see actual evidence of
fleas. Neither of them like it, it can't be all that good for them, and
besides, I'm allergic (not as allergic to is as to previous flea prevention
products, but still have a reaction) and ht elonger they can go without
needing strong insecticides the better. And if none of us are suffering from
fleas, why bother?

Yowie
Yoj - 21 Apr 2004 08:30 GMT
> > > said some cats do have this reaction to Revolution.  It is an
> "all-purpose"
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Yowie

That sounds like a practical approach.  I use Frontline too.  My cats
aren't happy about my applying it, but don't really fight it, and don't
seem to mind once it's on.  When I first started using it, the vet's
assistant said that, in spite of the fact that the package says to use
it every month, it could be used every two months.  Some time later,
when I picked up a new batch, she said three months was okay.  I've gone
a month or two over that without any problems.  We did have a terrible
flea problem when I started using it, but I have an exterminator come
every two months and spray the outside.  (I was also having a really bad
ant problem when I started having them come.)  Sometimes I wonder if I
still need them, but I'm afraid the infestations would come back if I
stopped.  They charge more when you're new than when you're a regular,
so I don't want to go there.

Joy
Victor Martinez - 21 Apr 2004 13:33 GMT
> needing strong insecticides the better. And if none of us are suffering from
> fleas, why bother?

That's a good point. Our crew is indoor-only and I've never actually
seen a flea on them (except Basho and Issa when we first got them, and
they were quickly bathed to kill the fleas). I'm mostly concerned with
heartworm, since we have a lot of mosquitoes here. There are also feral
cats in the garden that most probably have fleas, which can jump off
them and into our cats when they're in their enclosure.
We usually only treat them in the warm months though.

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MaryL - 21 Apr 2004 13:59 GMT
> > needing strong insecticides the better. And if none of us are suffering from
> > fleas, why bother?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> them and into our cats when they're in their enclosure.
> We usually only treat them in the warm months though.

I use Heartgard for heartworm prevention.  Holly will eat it from a bowl if
I crumble it for her.  Duffy eats it if I mix it with tuna.  (Of course,
Holly gets some tuna at the same time!)  That is actually the reason I tried
Revolution -- it covers heartworms, fleas, etc., and I made the mistake of
going for the "one product treats all."  However, as I described earlier,
Holly showed great dislike for it and Duffy went into *complete panic* mode.
He could easily have been injured because he is blind and was in such a
panic that he ran into several objects before I could get to him.  So, I've
gone back to Heartgard -- and it is very, very rare for me to use flea
treatment (and I have *never* needed to treat for other parasites like
ticks) because my cats are indoor-only.  As is usually true, I have decided
it's better not to treat for something unless it is specifically needed.

MaryL
Victor Martinez - 21 Apr 2004 14:47 GMT
> I use Heartgard for heartworm prevention.  Holly will eat it from a bowl if
> I crumble it for her.  Duffy eats it if I mix it with tuna.  (Of course,

Maya used to love eating her heartguard, but both Xoxo and Luna would
eat around it, even when crumbled and mixed with food. That's why we
switched to Revolution.

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JBHajos - 21 Apr 2004 14:21 GMT
> and ht elonger they can go without
>needing strong insecticides the better. And if none of us are suffering from
>fleas, why bother?

  Good idea.  Actually, I use Revolution primarily because it
protects against heartworm.   Fleas are a minor problem here but the
mosquito population is horrific.  Since Speckles already had a run-in
with heartworm (which she miraculously conquered), there's no way I'll
take any chances.  Though the kitties are now indoor-only, it's
probably not a huge threat but mosquitoes *do* manage to get into the
house.

  Jeanne
JBHajos - 21 Apr 2004 15:01 GMT
>   Good idea.  Actually, I use Revolution primarily because it
>protects against heartworm.    Though the kitties are now indoor-only, it's
>probably not a huge threat but mosquitoes *do* manage to get into the
>house.
 
 P.S.  While I use Revolution for heartworm protection, there are
also other critters that get into the house.  My son was doing some
yard work and when he took his shower afterward, he found a tick
imbedded in his skin.  On the off-chance other fleas, ticks, and
what-not find their way in on clothing and such, Revolution will keep
them at bay.

  Jeanne
Steve Touchstone - 20 Apr 2004 02:33 GMT
>Holly and Duffy don't object to Advantage (and it is very rare when I need
>to use it ...usually after I have had visitors who apparently imported some
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>MaryL

Well, my mine all react the same to both Revolution and Advantage,
Rocky doesn't seem to notice and the girls hide as soon as they get a
whif
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MaryL - 20 Apr 2004 02:50 GMT
> Well, my mine all react the same to both Revolution and Advantage,
> Rocky doesn't seem to notice and the girls hide as soon as they get a
> whif

Mine didn't react to the scent.  They reacted as soon as the liquid touched
their skin, and Duffy reacted *violently* (complete panic).  It was as if
the liquid burned him -- or possibly the reverse (maybe very cold).

MaryL
Sherry - 20 Apr 2004 03:27 GMT
>Mine didn't react to the scent.  They reacted as soon as the liquid touched
>their skin, and Duffy reacted *violently* (complete panic).  It was as if
>the liquid burned him -- or possibly the reverse (maybe very cold).
>
>MaryL

Mary, that's how my Cellie reacted to Frontline. He acted as if I'd put
something on him that burned the skin badly. He even drooled and panted a bit.
I switched to Advantage and he tolerated that one okay.

Sherry
Victor Martinez - 20 Apr 2004 04:35 GMT
> Mary, that's how my Cellie reacted to Frontline. He acted as if I'd put
> something on him that burned the skin badly. He even drooled and panted a bit.

I asked my vet about that and she said it itches. She's tested it on
herself... :)  She says she always tests topical meds on herself first,
to make sure she's not hurting her cats. Isn't she awesome?

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Sherry - 20 Apr 2004 04:41 GMT
>I asked my vet about that and she said it itches. She's tested it on
>herself... :)  She says she always tests topical meds on herself first,
>to make sure she's not hurting her cats. Isn't she awesome?

--That *is* awesome. She cares.

Sherry
Marina - 20 Apr 2004 05:05 GMT
> I asked my vet about that and she said it itches. She's tested it on
> herself... :)  She says she always tests topical meds on herself first,
> to make sure she's not hurting her cats. Isn't she awesome?

Wow, what an amazing vet!

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Seanette Blaylock - 20 Apr 2004 07:39 GMT
Victor Martinez <me@nospam.com> had some very interesting things to
say about Re: I'm the worse daddy in the world!:

>I asked my vet about that and she said it itches. She's tested it on
>herself... :)  She says she always tests topical meds on herself first,
>to make sure she's not hurting her cats. Isn't she awesome?

I *like* her!

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JBHajos - 20 Apr 2004 13:51 GMT
>I asked my vet about that and she said it itches. She's tested it on
>herself... :)  She says she always tests topical meds on herself first,
>to make sure she's not hurting her cats. Isn't she awesome?

  Awesome, indeed!!   She's a keeper.

  We use Revolution here with very little reaction - they show their
displeasure but at least don't go into tornado mode.

 Jeanne
polonca12000 - 20 Apr 2004 21:43 GMT
I want a vet like her for Soncek!
Best wishes,
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> I asked my vet about that and she said it itches. She's tested it on
> herself... :)  She says she always tests topical meds on herself first,
> to make sure she's not hurting her cats. Isn't she awesome?
Adrian - 20 Apr 2004 13:23 GMT
>> Well, my mine all react the same to both Revolution and Advantage,
>> Rocky doesn't seem to notice and the girls hide as soon as they get a
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> MaryL

I belive these topical treatments are alcohol based, so when applied to the
skin it evaporates quickly and probaly feels like an ice cube. I think I'd
jump as well. Snoopy is the same with Frontline and Advantage, I haven't
tried revolution yet, she knows the sound of the vial being opened and
hides.
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Jo Firey - 19 Apr 2004 18:05 GMT
Sounds familiar.  I can usually get one treated, but better have all the
others confined first or I'd never catch them.

One way we save with the vets blessing, (we use advantage).

The dog and cat treatments are the same drug at the same concentration.  So
be buy the largest size and the vet gives us a syringe to measure out the
individual doses.  And I dose slightly under what is recommended and it has
always worked just fine.  One St Bernard size vial treats my poodle, two
cats and my daughters cats as well.

Jo
> This morning I decided it had been long enough and it was time to dose
> the Fantastic Seven (TM) with Revolution (a topical medication for
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> me the baddest death look ever.
> I'm such a bad daddy this morning...
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Apr 2004 22:42 GMT
> One way we save with the vets blessing, (we use advantage).
> The dog and cat treatments are the same drug at the same concentration.  So
> be buy the largest size and the vet gives us a syringe to measure out the
> individual doses.  And I dose slightly under what is recommended and it has
> always worked just fine.  One St Bernard size vial treats my poodle, two
> cats and my daughters cats as well.

I do exactly the same thing, also with Advantage. That big size, 4 ml I
think, will dose 5 cats at .8 ml each. And one large tube costs me US $13
at the vet, whereas a package of 4 medium-cat-sized ones costs $30!!

Jo, what do you do about the fact that the liquid removes the paint from
the syringe? After one dosing, I can't see where the .8 mark is anymore.
Finally, I put a strip of masking tape around a new syringe at that level
while the markings were still on it, so I could still see how much was the
right amount after the paint came off. Kind of makes you wonder about
putting something on your cat that dissolves paint!!

Joyce
Victor Martinez - 20 Apr 2004 01:23 GMT
> think, will dose 5 cats at .8 ml each. And one large tube costs me US $13
> at the vet, whereas a package of 4 medium-cat-sized ones costs $30!!

Hmmm... I ought to try that. It gets expensive to buy that stuff for 7 cats!

> right amount after the paint came off. Kind of makes you wonder about
> putting something on your cat that dissolves paint!!

Well, could be just the solvent used, like alcohol. :)

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Jo Firey - 20 Apr 2004 01:58 GMT
> > think, will dose 5 cats at .8 ml each. And one large tube costs me US $13
> > at the vet, whereas a package of 4 medium-cat-sized ones costs $30!!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Well, could be just the solvent used, like alcohol. :)

It feels oily.  And the way the animals act, I think it burns just a bit on
their skin.  I mean it isn't like a dog to object just because something
stinks.

But you are right, It does take the "paint" off if you don't get it rinsed
off quickly.  (I just take the needles off my insulin syringes with a pair
if pliers if I need to)

Jo
JoJo - 19 Apr 2004 20:15 GMT
Think of the reaction if you had to chase them with flea SPRAY!  Eegads  the
horror!  You would truly be a bad evil daddy then!  They should be thanking
their lucky stars they only get treated once a month - imagine chasing them
down weekly!

Jojo

> This morning I decided it had been long enough and it was time to dose
> the Fantastic Seven (TM) with Revolution (a topical medication for
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> me the baddest death look ever.
> I'm such a bad daddy this morning...
Steve Touchstone - 20 Apr 2004 02:33 GMT
>This morning I decided it had been long enough and it was time to dose
>the Fantastic Seven (TM) with Revolution (a topical medication for
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>me the baddest death look ever.
>I'm such a bad daddy this morning...

Yep it's that time here as well. The only way I get both Sammy and
Little Bit is to do it on different days. Once they get a whiff
they're gone. Rocky is my good boy, as he doesn't mind at all as long
as I' sneak it in during a scritch session.
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JP Hobbs - 20 Apr 2004 02:53 GMT
Poor Daddy, you know the old saying though,
you have to be cruel to be kind, doesn't it make
you feel bad though?  Jean.P.
> This morning I decided it had been long enough and it was time to dose
> the Fantastic Seven (TM) with Revolution (a topical medication for
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Marina - 20 Apr 2004 04:23 GMT
"Victor Martinez" <me@nospam.com> wrote
> This morning I decided it had been long enough and it was time to dose
> the Fantastic Seven (TM) with Revolution (a topical medication for
> fleas, ticks, worms, and all kinds of parasites).

Oh, what a bad Pawpaw! ;o) I hope they have forgiven you by now.

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