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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / April 2004OT, but I love it
The BBC has an online article about the farm in Alaska which injects dye into chicken eggs so that when the eggs hatch, the chicks come out in various colours, such as green, pink, blue and the like. The article is at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3615191.stm The bit I find hilarious is towards the end it says, "The dye, which the farm insists does not contain chemicals, is injected into ordinary chicken eggs a few weeks before Easter." Err, just what do the farm people think a dye is made of? *Everything* is made of chemicals ;-) Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- > The BBC has an online article about the farm in Alaska which injects dye into > chicken eggs so that when the eggs hatch, the chicks come out in various [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Err, just what do the farm people think a dye is made of? *Everything* is made > of chemicals ;-) LOL! Reminds me of the brand of chick peas that I used to buy. The manufacturers solemnly declared on the packet that they had been "grown biologically". Excuse me? Growth is always a biological process, however much e.g. insecticide you spray on the plant. ;o)  SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki > > The BBC has an online article about the farm in Alaska which injects dye > into [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > biologically". Excuse me? Growth is always a biological process, however > much e.g. insecticide you spray on the plant. ;o) "Contains Only Natural, Organic Ingredients" ... Arsenic is natural, so is Cyanide; Hemlock is Organic. SignatureThe One-and-only Holy Moses >> "dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <wafflycathcs@aol.comcomcom> >> wrote [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > "Contains Only Natural, Organic Ingredients" ... Arsenic is natural, > so is Cyanide; Hemlock is Organic. Belladonna, certain types of mushrooms... gee, there are so many :) Jill > > The BBC has an online article about the farm in Alaska which injects dye > into [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > biologically". Excuse me? Growth is always a biological process, however > much e.g. insecticide you spray on the plant. ;o) The term that cracks me up is "organic" - for the same reasons. Especially "organic milk" - so long as it comes from a cow, what else COULD it be but "organic"? But you now find "fat free half-and-half" in the dairy case, too - an oxymoron if ever there was one! (For our non USA readers, "half and half" is a mixture of half cream and half milk - how can you have "fat free" cream?) > -- > Marina, Frank and Nikki > Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi > Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki >> "dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <wafflycathcs@aol.comcomcom> >> wrote [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >was one! (For our non USA readers, "half and half" is a mixture of >half cream and half milk - how can you have "fat free" cream?) When I was in eighth grade, there was a question on a science test, asking you to define an "organic chemical". I gave the definition found in the textbook, "a chemical compound containing carbon." As far as I know, this is still the standard definition. However, my teacher graded the question as wrong. When I pointed this out to her, she said that she disagreed with the textbook's definition. Her definition, which I don't recall ever hearing her mention in class, was that an organic chemical was one that living organisms made, and that humans hadn't learned how to synthesize. Once we knew how to make a given chemical by nonliving means, it ceased to be an organic chemical, even if the batch of chemical in question had in fact been made by a living organism. I didn't bother to go over her head to the principal, but, had I done so, I probably could have gotten her "false" ruling on my answer reversed, since what I had written matched what the textbook said. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria John F. Eldredge <john@jfeldredge.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: OT, but I love it: >When I was in eighth grade, there was a question on a science test, >asking you to define an "organic chemical". I gave the definition [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >"false" ruling on my answer reversed, since what I had written >matched what the textbook said. FWIW, your answer is the correct one, TTBOMM. My DH gets aggravated by the "organic" label applied to foods, too. His usual comment is along the lines of "OK, so if there are foods that are *not* organic, why can't I find silicon-based carrots anywhere?" [using carrots as an example] Signature"Don't mess with major appliances unless you know what you are doing (or unless your life insurance policy is up-to-date)." - John, RCFL >My DH gets aggravated by the "organic" label applied to foods, too. >His usual comment is along the lines of "OK, so if there are foods >that are *not* organic, why can't I find silicon-based carrots >anywhere?" [using carrots as an example] On produce & fruits, doesn't the "organic" label refer to the method in which it was raised, though, and not the product itself? I always assume that the "organic" labeling meant that the crops were raised without any chemical fertilizers or pesticides. Sherry sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) had some very interesting things to say about Re: OT, but I love it: >>My DH gets aggravated by the "organic" label applied to foods, too. >>His usual comment is along the lines of "OK, so if there are foods [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >"organic" labeling meant that the crops were raised without any chemical >fertilizers or pesticides. Point being that the word "organic" has a specific meaning in chemistry and is being misused by being co-opted for references to farming practices. You're right about that label, but it *is* a misuse of a word that already *has* a definition. If you're saying, for example, "this apple is organic", by implication another apple that doesn't carry that label does not meet the "carbon-based" definition of "organic". :-) Signature"Don't mess with major appliances unless you know what you are doing (or unless your life insurance policy is up-to-date)." - John, RCFL >Point being that the word "organic" has a specific meaning in >chemistry and is being misused by being co-opted for references to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >doesn't carry that label does not meet the "carbon-based" definition >of "organic". :-) I see. So what you're saying is the proper label would be "organically grown." The real eyeball-roller in the grocery store are those little stickers on the oranges & such that say, "No Fat." Duh. Sherry sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) had some very interesting things to say about Re: OT, but I love it: >>Point being that the word "organic" has a specific meaning in >>chemistry and is being misused by being co-opted for references to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >oranges & such that say, "No Fat." >Duh. What I'm saying is that another word needs to be found for the relevant set of farming practices so we can quit with the misuse of "organic". Any plant is grown "organically", since plant growth occurs via organic chemical processes. :-) Signature"Don't mess with major appliances unless you know what you are doing (or unless your life insurance policy is up-to-date)." - John, RCFL Am back w/my dearly missed Evil 3 tonight....treats for all to soothe my guilt....uh, I don't know anything about chemistry (one thing the Hopitus will admit is when it is ignorant of something) but maybe the color-injectors w/the eggs *meant* "vegetable dye", which as far as I know, isn't some petroleum-based poisonous substance.....are vegetables chemicals? I dunno....I hope not. : sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) had some very interesting things to : say about Re: OT, but I love it: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] : "organic". Any plant is grown "organically", since plant growth occurs : via organic chemical processes. :-) "Hopitus2" <Hopitus2@att.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: OT, but I love it: >Am back w/my dearly missed Evil 3 tonight....treats for all to soothe my >guilt....uh, I don't know anything about chemistry (one thing the Hopitus >will admit is when it is ignorant of something) but maybe the >color-injectors w/the eggs *meant* "vegetable dye", which as far as I know, >isn't some petroleum-based poisonous substance.....are vegetables chemicals? >I dunno....I hope not. *Everything* is chemicals, dear. :-) Signature"Don't mess with major appliances unless you know what you are doing (or unless your life insurance policy is up-to-date)." - John, RCFL >What I'm saying is that another word needs to be found for the >relevant set of farming practices so we can quit with the misuse of >"organic". Any plant is grown "organically", since plant growth occurs >via organic chemical processes. :-) Well, language evolves. What used to be "misuse" of lots of words now have acceptable alternate definitions. Sounds like this is one: Main Entry: [1]or·gan·ic Pronunciation: or-'ga-nik Function: adjective (snipped for brevity) (2) : of, relating to, yielding, or involving the use of food produced with the use of feed or fertilizer of plant or animal origin without employment of chemically formulated fertilizers, growth stimulants, antibiotics, or pesticides <organic farming> <organic produce Sherry >>What I'm saying is that another word needs to be found for the >>relevant set of farming practices so we can quit with the misuse of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Sherry I agree with you, Sherry. Anyone in a specialized field just has to live with the expanded and perhaps more imprecise meanings that their terminology might have for the general public. For example, I come from a musical background. For me, the words "song," "crescendo" and "cadence" have very specific meanings which are not grasped by the general public, and also further stretched for literary purposes. If I spent my life trying to correct every lay person's "misuse" of these words, I'd die of exhaustion. Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) >>Point being that the word "organic" has a specific meaning in >>chemistry and is being misused by being co-opted for references to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >are those little stickers on the oranges & such that say, "No Fat." >Duh. I have seen peanut butter jars that are prominently labeled "a cholesterol-free food". Given that cholesterol comes only from animal products, I certainly would hope that no one would think of using lard or suet in peanut butter! The food companies are probably hoping that customers will interpret "cholesterol-free" as "fat-free", which peanut butter certainly is not. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >I have seen peanut butter jars that are prominently labeled "a >cholesterol-free food". Given that cholesterol comes only from >animal products, I certainly would hope that no one would think of >using lard or suet in peanut butter! The food companies are probably >hoping that customers will interpret "cholesterol-free" as >"fat-free", which peanut butter certainly is not. John, I used to believe that. Way back when my kids were little. I ate peanut butter right along with them, and thought I was making quite a healthy choice. Slick marketing, huh? I love the stuff. Right out of the jar with a spoon. It's totally forbidden now on the heart-healthy diet, but I practically drool when I see someone eating it. Sherry > >Point being that the word "organic" has a specific meaning in > >chemistry and is being misused by being co-opted for references to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sherry LOL! Joy > > > The BBC has an online article about the farm in Alaska which injects dye > > into [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi > > Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki There's also "fat free" sour cream. I've seen that in the stores, too. I guess that's what they call "spin". Joy >The term that cracks me up is "organic" - for the same reasons. There is actually a *specific* meaning to the term "organic" in relation to food - certainly over here in the UK. It means the food has been produced subject to very strict criteria, such as the animals having no routine dosing with anti-biotics, no growth hormones, only fed on feedstuffs that have had no pesticides and the like on them. Unlike foods produced via "non-organic" means which is basically intensive agriculture. >Especially "organic milk" - so long as it comes from a cow, what else >COULD it be but "organic"? See above - in relation to how the cow was raised, housed, fed etc., there really is a *specific* meaning to the term. > But you now find "fat free half-and-half" in >the dairy case, too - an oxymoron if ever there was one! Now that one *is* a decidedly strange one :-) Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- >The BBC has an online article about the farm in Alaska which injects dye into >chicken eggs so that when the eggs hatch, the chicks come out in various >colours, such as green, pink, blue and the like. The article is at That's just gross. They should get the Chickens that lay Easter eggs! My MIL has them, and she saved back the most brightly colored ones for us for Easter. Sherry > The BBC has an online article about the farm in Alaska which injects dye into > chicken eggs so that when the eggs hatch, the chicks come out in various [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Cheers, helen s But this is hardly new. They did it all the time when I was a kid (Back in the fifties) And I can attest that the colored chicks grow up just fine. After having to find homes for two after their feathers came in, my folks quite letting me get them. I mean we did live in an apartment and one was a little rooster. Jo >> The BBC has an online article about the farm in Alaska which injects >> dye into chicken eggs so that when the eggs hatch, the chicks come [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jo Well what did they expect little chicks to do? They grow into full grown chickens (and roosters!) Either build a coop on the roof of the apartment building and gather eggs or get rid of the chickens ROFL Jill > >> The BBC has an online article about the farm in Alaska which injects > >> dye into chicken eggs so that when the eggs hatch, the chicks come [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > chickens (and roosters!) Either build a coop on the roof of the apartment > building and gather eggs or get rid of the chickens ROFL Ummmm.... depends upon where you live, Jill - some places, a chicken coop on the roof of an apartment building is not a legal option (it has to do with zoning laws). I once knew some people who lived in La Canada (California) which at that time, although very urban, still had rural zoning. They kept a few chickens in their back yard, not just as pets, but for the eggs. They gave me a couple to take home with me (eggs, I mean). If you've never eaten REALLY fresh eggs, you don't know what you're missing! |
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