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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / March 2004Toilet Training update
Well, so far, the toilet training of Imp and Mischief is going well. There still have been a few accidents, but nothing serious. The aluminum pan is now in the toilet, and both of them have used it, but reluctantly. Mischief refused to used it at first. But then I shut her and myself in the bathroom and sat down with her to explain things to her. Then I scratched at the litter and she sniffed at it. She gave me this look, "Do I HAVE to?" I figured it might take awhile, but after a minute or so, she started scratching at the litter and finally used it. She figured out that the only way she was going to get out of the bathroom was to use the pan. Unfortunately, if I try to do the same thing to Imp, he'll just freak out. I can tell someone used the pan this morning, but so far neither of them have gone. There was another accident on a towel, but so far nothing else has been found. Yes, this is going to be extremely slow, but progress has been made. Once I get them used to the pan, I'll decrease the amount of litter and then make a hole in the pan. Until then, I'll have to limit the amount of clothes I leave lying around unless I want them "anointed" with cat gifts. That's all for now, Kristi <snip story of human forcing cats to act completely against their nature> This is really sad and abusive. You shouldn't be forcing your cats to do something that is completely unnatural. Why do you think they keep having "accidents?" There are no accidents. They are just trying to pee the way *they* want to and were *intended* to, not the way you are trying to force them to. The whole idea of making a cat use a human toilet, which involves them trying to balance on a slippery toilet seat and does not allow them to dig and bury, is really cruel and I hope you get a little common sense and stop this nonsense. Megan (disgusted)  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray Whoa! Is she still on this project? I'd forgotten all about this losing proposition. Incredibly stubborn hoomin.....but cats are ever more stubborn. As I posted before, my aunt trained only one of her brood to use some plastic deal that fit on the toilet seat....and he forever shunned it after the day he fell into the porcelain throne's bowl. Cats will be using toilets when we hoomins are using litterboxes.......like, NOT. : <snip story of human forcing cats to act completely against their : nature> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] : : - W.H. Murray > Whoa! Is she still on this project? I'd forgotten all about this losing > proposition. Incredibly stubborn hoomin.....but cats are ever more stubborn. > As I posted before, my aunt trained only one of her brood to use some > plastic deal that fit on the toilet seat....and he forever shunned it after > the day he fell into the porcelain throne's bowl. Cats will be using toilets > when we hoomins are using litterboxes.......like, NOT. Hmm, I knew a cat that toilet trained himself (well, for urine anyway). He never did learn to flush properly, but he did always at least touch the flush button before scampering off to do his other secret catly business. And this was a cat who didn't even have a litterbox - before using the toilet he used to take himself outside to do his business. Unfortunatley this is *not* Shmogg, but I have no complaints about his toilet habits. If I haven't cleaned out his box, he'll poo next to it (and its in the laundry which is tiled, so its not a huge big deal) and while he'll pretty much wee in a box till its got its own tide, if it gets *really* bad, he'll go in the shower cubicle. Again, its a simple matter to clean out and in both cases its my fault for not attending his box properly, so I don't complain. Fluffy on the other hand, still has the occasional carpet accident if we for whatever reason haven't noticed her sitting patiently at the back door. Yowie > Unfortunatley this is *not* Shmogg, but I have no complaints about > his toilet habits. If I haven't cleaned out his box, he'll poo [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > cases its my fault for not attending his box properly, so I don't > complain. But I do hope that Joel is doing the honors until the Yowlet emerges! Joyce > > Unfortunatley this is *not* Shmogg, but I have no complaints about > > his toilet habits. If I haven't cleaned out his box, he'll poo [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > But I do hope that Joel is doing the honors until the Yowlet emerges! Nope, its still my job because *technically* Shmogg is my cat not "our" cat, and its one of those things that I"ve always done (like its Joel's job to do the vacuuming 'just because'). I figured that if Shmogg has toxoplasmosis, and I've had him for 14 years, and been scratched and bitten on a pretty much daily basis, I must surely have resistance to it by now. I do take care when cleaning out his box, but the Yowlet is, by all accounts, just fine anyway. Here in Australia, they say you've got far more of a chance of getting toxoplasmosis from eating raw vegies (including salad items) than you do from any cat, especially an indoor only one. Its a risk, yes, but in the scheme of things, not one I have worried about. As my obs said, even if I did all the wrong things during pregancy, like smoke, drink, eat crappy food, etc etc etc, getting into the car each day is a bigger risk to the Yowlet then all the rest of the (controllable) risks combined. And once he put it like that, I quit worrying about eating soft cheeses and cleaning the litterbox. Yowie > I figured that if Shmogg has toxoplasmosis, and I've had him for > 14 years, and been scratched and bitten on a pretty much daily basis, He bites you on a daily basis? What a nasty little bugger. > Here in Australia, they say you've got far more of a chance of getting > toxoplasmosis from eating raw vegies (including salad items) than you do > from any cat, especially an indoor only one. Interesting. Here people are much more worried about toxo. It's a big issue for people with AIDS (or at least, it used to be, before effective treatments were developed), but also for pregnant women. But I can't deny that US culture is very fear-oriented and people tend to believe that they can ward off danger by taking all the appropriate precautions. The illusion of control over our destiny, I guess. Some of that is just plain human, but it's a particularly strong trait in the USA. > getting into the car each day is a bigger risk to the Yowlet then > all the rest of the (controllable) risks combined. Yeah, getting into a car is a huge risk, one that ironically we don't tend to worry about very much. We'd rather worry about much more minor dangers for some reason! > I quit worrying about eating soft cheeses and cleaning the > litterbox. What risks do soft cheeses pose? (Eek, I might have some of those lurking in my own fridge...) Joyce > > I figured that if Shmogg has toxoplasmosis, and I've had him for > > 14 years, and been scratched and bitten on a pretty much daily basis, > > He bites you on a daily basis? What a nasty little bugger. Pretty much on a daily basis. He lies in "crosshairs" of the hallway where the entrance to the laundry, toilet and bathroom is, and waits for unsuspecting feet to come past, and then attacks. And if that doesn't do it, he hops into bed with me and does the cute purry thing till I'm asleep and then bites the limbs that come too close to him during the night. Since I'm a "thrasher", I get bitten pretty much every single night. The biting is painful, but not usually enough to puncture the skin, but those claws (which he uses as well) regularly draw blood. My hands and feet are just one big maze of cat scratches, and I don't think I have been completley scab-less since the day I got him. And even worse, I still love the little b*st*rd! Otherwise known as the grey furry terrorist, these days. > > I quit worrying about eating soft cheeses and cleaning the > > litterbox. > > What risks do soft cheeses pose? (Eek, I might have some of those > lurking in my own fridge...) Soft cheeses, cheeses with mold (blue vein types and camembert types) and unpasteurised cheeses, as well as cured raw meat products such as salami and ham, all have a small but slight risk of listeria. I was also warned about buying take-away food that sits there for a while before purchase, apparantly *that* is supposed to be quite dangerous to the pregnancy as well. Freshly cooked stuff, or stuff that has a definate turn-around time (like McDonalds) isn't so bad, but chicken shops are allegedly notorious as the chickens sit there being warm (but not warm enough) all day with lots of contaminants (and flies etc) in the air, and the salads sit there being cold (but not cold enough) int he same environment. Self-serve buffet places were supposed to be *really* bad because people sneeze and cough and even just breath over the food, they use their fingers (which may not be clean) and mix serving utensils between meat and vegetable dishes, and raw food with cooked food. Cold seafood (such as prawns an doysters) were also a big no-no. All present a slightly higher risk of food poisoning than freshly and properly cooked food, and food poisoning does present a small but real risk tot he fetus. In the end, its your call as to risks versus returns. I figure I don't smoke, barely drink (have had 3 standard drinks spread over 8 months), eat good healthy food and have even started doing mild excercise. I am not big on buffets or seafood, but do like my cheeses and salamis. In the end, I made sure that I was purchasing brand-name soft cheeses and salamis from reputable places with good turn overs, and wasn't really pigging out on them, so the risk, although higher than if I abstained, was still minimised. Besides, in the early days when I was throwing up all the time, I figured that whatever stayed down, even if it was a higher risk, was still better than anything considered "safe" that came straight back up again. And wouldn't you know it, I never chucked up any of the "high risk" food - only the really safe stuff. And from all the testing done so far, the Yowlet is just fine. Yowie > Self-serve buffet places were supposed to be *really* bad because > people sneeze and cough and even just breath over the food, they use > their fingers (which may not be clean) and mix serving utensils between > meat and vegetable dishes, and raw food with cooked food. Cold seafood > (such as prawns an doysters) were also a big no-no. Aaaagh! I'm never going to a buffet place again!! :) Joyce > > Self-serve buffet places were supposed to be *really* bad because > > people sneeze and cough and even just breath over the food, they use [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Aaaagh! I'm never going to a buffet place again!! :) Eh. They don't bother me much. I just don't think about it when I'm tucking into my third serving of chocolate mousse (I always check out the desserts before deciding on how much "mains" I'm going to eat, and therefore how much room I'll need to leave before the good stuff. If I thought long enough about what was in food and how it was prepared, I'd never eat a thing! Yowie One would think, correctly, that working in an ER would generally help one's fending off various communicable viruses (I sail through every flu season without succumbing to any resp. or flu-type) but am a sure target for what is commonly known as "stomach flu" (usually *not* airborne-spread). Years ago I swore off public "salad bars" - so popular with the ubiquitous "senior citizens" of our area ( usually all-you-can-eat, cheap) and have never been sorry I did. If you sat near one while you dined, and kept a close watch at what goes on in the line helping themselves to it, you might rethink salad bars yourself. : > Self-serve buffet places were supposed to be *really* bad because : > people sneeze and cough and even just breath over the food, they use [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : : Joyce >Years >ago I swore off public "salad bars" - so popular with the ubiquitous "senior >citizens" of our area ( usually all-you-can-eat, cheap) and have never been >sorry I did. If you sat near one while you dined, and kept a close watch at >what goes on in the line helping themselves to it, you might rethink salad >bars yourself. Darn it! I love salad bars! I guess I'll just have to stick to the all you can eat sushi bars. > Darn it! I love salad bars! I guess I'll just have to stick to the > all you can eat sushi bars. LOL - I'm sure that's *much* safer, Tak! :) Joyce Sorry, I don't eat bait. >>Years >>ago I swore off public "salad bars" - so popular with the ubiquitous "senior [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Darn it! I love salad bars! I guess I'll just have to stick to the > all you can eat sushi bars. Our local newspaper comes with a supplement titled American Profile. This week it features Library Cats: Dewey Readmore Books of the Spencer Public Library in Spencer, Iowa, Molli of the Azle Public Library in Azle, Texas, Trixie or the Ocean Shores Library in Ocean Shores, Washington, Emily of the Mystic & Noank Library, Mystic, Conn., Page of the Gladstone Public Library in Gladstone, Ore. Dewey was found in the Book Return. Page used to set off the alarm sliding down the bannister until she was caught. Molli was catnapped and return by a lady who accidently said she and my dog didn't get along anyway. Trixie has her own checkbook to pay for yummies and the vet. For a guide to Americs's library cats: http://ironfrog.com Charleen >Our local newspaper comes with a supplement titled American Profile. This >week it features Library Cats: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Charleen AFAIC there is no place that could not be improved by cats. Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) >>Page used to set off the alarm sliding down the bannister until she was >>caught. <snip> >AFAIC there is no place that could not be improved by cats. Page is my favorite one. Sounds so mischievous! One type of working cat I haven't heard of yet is an operating room cat. I can just picture one wearing a little mask watching very closely as scalpels and sutures were being passed back and forth. :) I guess that came to mind because one day, my parents and I were going through some photos that we just had developed, and they were all dignified pictures of significant events of one sort or another, until we came upon one of the dog wearing a face mask and my mom's shower cap. We just stared for a few moments, like what the hell??? Then, we just burst out laughing. We called my little sister over and asked her if she had taken that picture. Was the dog dressed as a surgeon, we wondered? She got a bit huffy and said that no, the dog was supposed to look like a cafeteria worker (they wear masks in Japan). >>>Page used to set off the alarm sliding down the bannister until she was >>>caught. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > cat. I can just picture one wearing a little mask watching very > closely as scalpels and sutures were being passed back and forth. :) <snip> Heh, heh, I can just imagine her circling the operating table waiting hopefully for some tasty offcuts... Helen Wheels >> One type of working cat I haven't heard of yet is an operating room >> cat. I can just picture one wearing a little mask watching very [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Heh, heh, I can just imagine her circling the operating table >waiting hopefully for some tasty offcuts... Ewwww! If I see a surgeon doting on a really chubby kitty, I'll know to stay away from that hospital! >>> One type of working cat I haven't heard of yet is an operating >>> room cat. I can just picture one wearing a little mask watching [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Ewwww! If I see a surgeon doting on a really chubby kitty, I'll > know to stay away from that hospital! Especially if he's doing liver-removals... -- From the one-and-only Holy Moses? > Dewey was found in the Book Return. What kind of creep puts a cat in the Book Return??? (Or could the kitty have gotten in there by itself?) Joyce > > Dewey was found in the Book Return. > > What kind of creep puts a cat in the Book Return??? (Or could the kitty > have gotten in there by itself?) > > Joyce No, he didn't get in there himself, he was put in there. But rather that than abandon him some where awful. He is a magnificent looking cat, orange, long hair, big, dignified face. Charleen > No, he didn't get in there himself, he was put in there. But rather that > than abandon him some where awful. But... what happened when someone else came along later, to dump more book returns into the bin (and probably not thinking, "better be careful here, in case there's a cat inside")? How did the kitty avoid getting hurt by books falling on him? Obviously, he *did* avoid it, but that was a risk someone decided to take for him. I still think it's a very *weird* place to put a cat! > He is a magnificent looking cat, orange, long hair, big, dignified face. Sounds gorgeous! Joyce > > Dewey was found in the Book Return. > >What kind of creep puts a cat in the Book Return??? (Or could the kitty >have gotten in there by itself?) > >Joyce I used to work at a large metro library. You wouldn't believe what came in the book drop. We always closed it on Halloween! I do remember a cat loose in the library one morning, but the worst thing was several pigeons once. What a mess. Sherry >> > Dewey was found in the Book Return. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I do remember a cat loose in the library one morning, but the worst >thing was several pigeons once. What a mess. I worked for a couple of years as a library assistant while I was an undergraduate. We never had anything animate put down the book drop, to my knowledge, but we did have a few books ruined when someone poured a Coke down the book drop. The worst mess we ever had was when the Metro Transit Authority sent in a library book that had been found on a city bus. Someone had spilled a chocolate milkshake onto the book, and it had then sat in the bus long enough for the milk to go thoroughly sour. It stunk so bad that we couldn't even stand to have it in the trashcan in the workroom. I had to take it to a trash container outside the library building. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria (snip) >I worked for a couple of years as a library assistant while I was an >undergraduate. We never had anything animate put down the book drop, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >have it in the trashcan in the workroom. I had to take it to a trash >container outside the library building. Ahhhh. But when you work in an archive, sometimes stuff is like that, and you have to keep it. ;) It depends. Sometimes stuff is 500 years old (although paper that old is usually very good paper, and doesn't decay like mass-produced high-acid paper, which stinks as it decays). But if the stinky milkshake was spilled by say, one of the Founding Fathers, on a copy of The Federalist Papers--- or one of the printers of Shakespeare's First Folio-- you'd be stuck with the sour milk stink. ;) It would become known to scholars as the Milkshake Copy. And then there are all the molds and mildews that get into the stuff. :P T. (who had to send a bunch of Toscanini's scores to be fumigated ;)) Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) >One would think, correctly, that working in an ER would generally help one's >fending off various communicable viruses (I sail through every flu season [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >what goes on in the line helping themselves to it, you might rethink salad >bars yourself. HA!! How about the senior citizen brawl that erupted after one geezer handled the food at a salad bar in a retirement home? Was that in your fair state? It was bizarre. Several people got hauled off in ambulances...as for salad bars, I swore off them, too, and buffet food in general. Not because of senior citizens, but people who allow their kids to handle the food. Plus I heard that stuff has a ton of MSG and other preservatives to keep it safe at room temperature for so long. No, the "bars" are simply *popular* on elders living on small incomes; didn't mean to single them out as sole offenders re "food-handling", "germ-spreading", etc. I meant the stupid health dept./restaurants seem to believe that some kind of horizontal chest-level barricade keeps the food free of any sort of contamination! No, didn't hear about "salad bar brawl" of seniors......the ones in my near area punch each other out while insulting each other waiting in line at "early-bird" movies amidst the retirement homes here. A geezer knocked another one down, busting his head open and killing him, after the deceased's old lady snarled at the puncher to hurry it up getting his change out at the box office. Now dead geezer's widow (snarler) is sueing not only puncher geezer, but the *movie house* for not providing armed guards to protect the demented old people from each other......top that with "salad bar brawls", Sherry. : >One would think, correctly, that working in an ER would generally help one's : >fending off various communicable viruses (I sail through every flu season [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] : stuff has a ton of MSG and other preservatives to keep it safe at room : temperature for so long. > A geezer knocked another one down, busting his head > open and killing him, after the deceased's old lady snarled at the puncher > to hurry it up getting his change out at the box office. Now dead geezer's > widow (snarler) is sueing not only puncher geezer Suing? Weren't there criminal charges? Killing someone is still illegal in Florida, isn't it? Joyce Yeah, Joyce...there already was a criminal trial, but it finished with a hung jury (all parties concerned [except the dead geezer, who natch wasn't there] presented most unsympathetic, obnoxious personas). State vows to reappeal, or whatever it does when this happens and they want a "guilty". Puncher is free at the moment, but snarling widow has him up for a civil trial, just like OJ had later on and lost. Puncher had a opthal. eye doc swear he's blind (in line at the movies, yeah). Widow has all the charm of a pit viper on the newscasts. I dunno what happened at that salad bar but I doubt it outdoes this for insanity. We natives stay away from the early bird movies out in that suburb, which is almost all retirement communities. : > A geezer knocked another one down, busting his head : > open and killing him, after the deceased's old lady snarled at the puncher [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : : Joyce On Thu, 18 Mar, Joyce wrote: > > A geezer knocked another one down, busting his head > > open and killing him, after the deceased's old lady snarled at the puncher [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Joyce The whole mess was on CourtTV. Like most cases there, the synopsis read better than slow pace of a real court trial. Regards and Purrs, O J >On Thu, 18 Mar, Joyce wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >>Joyce There was a hung jury. They didn't want to put the geezer in jail, possibly for the rest of his life. Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) >No, didn't hear about "salad bar brawl" >of seniors......the ones in my near area punch each other out while [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >not providing armed guards to protect the demented old people from each >other......top that with "salad bar brawls", Sherry. I found the news article again, pasted below. It *was* your fair state after all. Your old people are scary, Hop. Sorry, I know it isn't funny, but I just howled at the at the snarling widow suing the "movie house" for not providing geezer-bouncers. Suing! That's rich. I see we are still a nation of "It's not my fault" whiners. Sherry Friday, March 5, 2004 ยท Seniors brawl after salad bar dispute THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WINTER HAVEN, Fla. -- A dispute at the salad bar turned into a food fracas at an upscale retirement home, with a man taking a bite out of another's arm and other residents suffering minor injuries. Police said resident Lee Thoss, 62, of the Spring Haven Retirement Community was picking through the lettuce, which disgusted 86-year-old William Hocker, who was standing in line behind him. Hocker told Thoss no one wanted to eat food he had been playing with. Thoss yelled and cursed at him, Hocker told police, and Hocker called him a nasty name. Then, witnesses said, Thoss then began punching Hocker in the face. In the buffet melee that followed, Allen Croft, 79, tried to grab Thoss, who bit him on the arm, reports said. Thoss' mother, Arlene, in her 80s and also a Spring Haven resident, jumped in to break up the fight and ended up with a cut arm. Harry Griffin, 92, was standing at the salad bar and cut his head when he was knocked to the ground. "All the old folks were either getting up to help or trying to get out of there," police spokesman J.J. Stanton said of the scene last Sunday in the well-appointed dining room, which features an ice cream bar and a pastry chef. Arlene Thoss, Croft and Griffin were treated at a local hospital and released. Stanton said all involved declined to press charges, but home administrators have asked Lee Thoss to move out. >>No, didn't hear about "salad bar brawl" >>of seniors......the ones in my near area punch each other out while [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Sherry The part about the salad bar that got me, was the 60-year old young whippersnapper in the retirement home, getting into it with the 80- year old. And of course, the 60-year-old's mother is there. What is going on here? Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) > >>No, didn't hear about "salad bar brawl" > >>of seniors......the ones in my near area punch each other out while [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Theresa They must have been the elderly parents of some of our local t-ball parents. I really don't know what happened, but 15 minutes into a game the refs had to call the game and clear the field and the stands over the way the parents on the "opposing teams" were behaving. T-ball, no scoring, 5-6 year olds mind you. Jo >No, the "bars" are simply *popular* on elders living on small incomes; >didn't mean to single them out as sole offenders re "food-handling", [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >not providing armed guards to protect the demented old people from each >other......top that with "salad bar brawls", Sherry. I heard about both. My dad is in South Florida, and I hear about all the stuff that goes on down there-- I was down there when the punching geezer had his mistrial. It's always a head-scratcher for me why there are so many people down there spoiling for a fight-- especially, if you'll excuse the expression, the geezers-- at places like salad bars and movie theaters. For me it's a living example of how people can manage to make things as easy and effortless as they can possibly be, and still be a pain in the @ss. ;) When I go down there, it's usually in the middle of the NYC winter, and I arrive as crabby as could be. In about ten minutes, I'm on the patio with a mojito, watching the geckos, and feeling no pain at all. ;) I recommend more mojitos! Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) > When I go down there, it's usually in the middle of the NYC winter, > and I arrive as crabby as could be. In about ten minutes, I'm on the > patio with a mojito, watching the geckos, and feeling no pain at all. > ;) > > I recommend more mojitos! I recommend more Florida patios! :) (I don't drink - not very much, any more. I just get sleepy and cranky, like a 2-year-old who hasn't had her nap. No fun at all!) I'm going to be going there myself, April 4-12, to visit my family. They *all* live there. Even the young ones. (Well, the young-*ish* ones - the youngest person from my immediate family is 43.) We're from the Boston area originally, but nobody liked Massachusetts weather. They all moved south, and I moved west. One of my sisters lives on the east coast, about an hour's drive north of Palm Beach Cty. She just moved there, so I don't remember the name of the town. She found Boynton Beach, where she last lived, "too congested". That cracks me up - it's so sprawled out compared to where I live! Then we'll visit the rest of the clan up north - my mom, dad, other sister, and other sister's progeny all live in the Daytona area. This probably doesn't mean much to most of you reading this, but I thought Hopitus and others familiar with the former Doofus State might be interested. Joyce - in the current Doofus State > > When I go down there, it's usually in the middle of the NYC winter, > > and I arrive as crabby as could be. In about ten minutes, I'm on the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Joyce - in the current Doofus State I assume you're the Doofus State that has Der Gropenfuhrer for a Governor? So am I, but I'm a native. Joy LOL....maybe we have *two* Doofus States, east and west. I'm way down in the "congested" area (almost as congested as Oakland, same godawful car insurance premiums) near Fort Lauderdale. As I had told Britta, when she was planning to vacation near here, same time period you mention, I will not be in this area then. Could the town your sis moved to be Port St. Lucie, Ft. Pierce, or Vero Beach? Those are about an hour north of PB. : > > When I go down there, it's usually in the middle of the NYC winter, : > > and I arrive as crabby as could be. In about ten minutes, I'm on [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] : : Joy > I will not be in this area then. Oh, too bad! Where will you be? > Could the town your sis moved to be Port St. Lucie, Ft. Pierce, or Vero > Beach? Those are about an hour north of PB. Port St Lucie sounds vaguely familiar, that might be it. Joyce Holed up down in my hometown with relatives, on-call for legal meetings, taking care of some business involving deeds & property there. Got to cut loose from all this stuff before final exodus from eastern Doofus state. Don't want to have to return later on at someone else's convenience. This solution is accelerating matters, but better in long run for me. : > I will not be in this area then. : [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : : Joyce > LOL....maybe we have *two* Doofus States, east and west. I'm way down in the > "congested" area (almost as congested as Oakland, same godawful car [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Could the town your sis moved to be Port St. Lucie, Ft. Pierce, or Vero > Beach? Those are about an hour north of PB. I'm going to be in Orlando first week in April and Fort Lauderdale the following week. Looking forward to some sunshine!! So, should I watch out for senior citizens angrily waving their canes at the food outlets? SignatureJette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes jette@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ ROFL! No, I have just one piece of advice for you to avoid geezer mayhem of any kind: any place you either read in an ad OR see in window of establishment these words: EARLY BIRD SPECIALS do *not* repeat *not* go in, no matter how reasonable the posted prices therein. You should do great following this rule in either locale. Don't forget your sunscreen......don't wanna look like a turista. : > LOL....maybe we have *two* Doofus States, east and west. I'm way down in : the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] : So, should I watch out for senior citizens angrily waving : their canes at the food outlets? > I'm going to be in Orlando first week in April and > Fort Lauderdale the following week. Looking forward > to some sunshine!! > So, should I watch out for senior citizens angrily waving > their canes at the food outlets? I don't know about canes, but definitely stay out of the way of any who are behind the wheel of an automobile! Now that's really frightening. Joyce Native's tip for avoiding bodily injury or worse from source mentioned by Joyce: if you see what appears to be a vehicle (usually but not guaranteed a Buick, Olds, Caddy or Lincoln) "driving itself" with no visible driver behind wheel, *or* tiny little head just visible Below level of steering wheel, it's NOT a child driver, but the most feared local threat on wheels. Avoid close proximity any way possible. : > I'm going to be in Orlando first week in April and : > Fort Lauderdale the following week. Looking forward [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : : Joyce >Native's tip for avoiding bodily injury or worse from source mentioned by >Joyce: if you see what appears to be a vehicle (usually but not guaranteed a >Buick, Olds, Caddy or Lincoln) >"driving itself" with no visible driver behind wheel, *or* tiny little head >just visible Below level of steering wheel, it's NOT a child driver, but the >most feared local threat on wheels. Avoid close proximity any way possible. Heee heee, that's just what I wrote before I read this. Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) > > I'm going to be in Orlando first week in April and > > Fort Lauderdale the following week. Looking forward [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Joyce When you're behind a car, and you only see hands moving the wheel, and no head-- that's usually trouble. ;) Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) > I assume you're the Doofus State that has Der Gropenfuhrer for a > Governor? So am I, but I'm a native. That'd be the state. But isn't it even *worse* to be a native? Or do you think the Doofosity factor comes mostly from us latecomers? (I can't claim that I have never done anything Doofus-like, but voting for "Der Gropenfuhrer" wasn't one of them!) Joyce > >No, the "bars" are simply *popular* on elders living on small incomes; > >didn't mean to single them out as sole offenders re "food-handling", [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > make things as easy and effortless as they can possibly be, and still > be a pain in the @ss. ;) It's really pretty plain why this sort of thing occurs. Many of the retirees are, not to put too fine a point on it, obnoxious Yankees from New York and New Jersey. You can get a mild idea of what they are like from the Seinfeld episodes where he visited the condo in Florida that his parents lived in. As a friend of mine who grew up in Jupiter Florida (before it became the second home to billionaires) said, they bitch about how hot it is, how they don't have any friends because all their friends are living back home in New Jersey, how slow the service is at the restaurants (apparently to justify their common practice of stiffing the waitstaff by leaving absurdly small tips or not tipping at all), and how everything was just so much better back in New Jersey/New York, yada, yada, yada, bitch, bitch, bitch, yet they stubbornly refuse to return to the paradise from whence they came. > Theresa > alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ > > Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal > claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. > (Aldous Huxley) Thank you, dude, for revealing the truth that I restrained myself carefully from posting, trying to keep rpca a friendly, non-combative, non-judgemental discussion atmosphere, and flame-free. The folks you out-and-out name do not, in their dotage, flock to the state I'm planning to move to before long.......bada** cold winters there, which I will have to get used to, but the entire state's population is less than the present total pop. of my hometown, and the average resident age is 34. To each his own. : > >No, the "bars" are simply *popular* on elders living on small incomes; : > >didn't mean to single them out as sole offenders re "food-handling", [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] : > claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. : > (Aldous Huxley) >Thank you, dude, for revealing the truth that I restrained myself carefully >from posting, trying to keep rpca a friendly, non-combative, non-judgemental [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the entire state's population is less than the present total pop. of my >hometown, and the average resident age is 34. To each his own. The turn this discussion has taken, is just upsetting me now.. I'm from Brooklyn New York, and so is my father, who has retired to South Florida, and this behavior is as weird, unreasonable and obnoxious to us as it is to everyone else. Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) Don't take it personally, kid. The bottom line is not their *origin*, it's the sheer *volume*, from just a few northern states, that is the root of the local jokes, etc. re strange geezer behavior. How people had to behave to survive in their native areas for many years sometimes causes misunderstandings when they become "transplants" as we FL natives call them. For example, when I finally get out west I fully expect to be forced to explain details of living in my Doofus State, much less voting in it, LOL. Your dad will stick with friends from his northern origin (they quickly find each other and travel in groups here), and if he's like most of them, will never even be aware of their reputations, deserved or otherwise, in this, the promised land of always-warm and no-state-income-tax. OTOH, I fear I'll find very few old Floridians who migrated to Colorado to spend their golden years...... : >Thank you, dude, for revealing the truth that I restrained myself carefully : >from posting, trying to keep rpca a friendly, non-combative, non-judgemental [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] : claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. : (Aldous Huxley) >Don't take it personally, kid. The bottom line is not their *origin*, it's >the sheer *volume*, from just a few northern states, that is the root of the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >find very few old Floridians who migrated to Colorado to spend their golden >years...... My father is very much aware of the behavior you-- we-- have been discussing, and he finds it as obnoxious and inconveniencing and embarassing-- and as weird-- as you or anyone else does. He/we certainly don't recognize it as typical Northeastern behavior simply transplanted to an easier climate. It would be obnoxious in any environment. Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) > >Don't take it personally, kid. The bottom line is not their *origin*, it's > >the sheer *volume*, from just a few northern states, that is the root of the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > transplanted to an easier climate. It would be obnoxious in any > environment. I dont' think its necessarily the behaviour of northerners in a southern area any more than the stereotypical "obnoxious American tourist" is representative of all Americans. It seems to me that the problem lies not within the individual but the fact of "foriegners" (in the loosest term possible) grouping together and not ever fully intergrating themselves with the local populations. In that way, they will forever be seen as different, and because they are in their own "safe" group, their ways will be seen as rude and difficult compared to local folks. I'm just as sure that if I got a pack of 20 of my friends and transported them to Your Town and we stuck together, you'd find out behaviour less than exemplarary simply because we aren't behaving like locals. We would think our behaviour is perfectly normal (and it is, for us, in our own culture) and have 19 people to validate it and keep us behaving in the way we do. And with 19 other people who understand my slang and my behaviour and know my "in" jokes, I'd have no need to intergrate myself fully into your community - I'd already have my own, which would deepen the differences between My Friends and Your Town and perpetuate the cycle of "foriegners" sticking together at the exclusion of locals. And thats the very same reason why you get little enclaves of communities, its easier to stick with people who know you and your ways and your dialect than to fit in with your other neighbours. And because both groups stay tight knit, and don't trust the other because they don't understand the other, the nasty rumuors and stereotypes continue to propogate. Once you got to know the people as individuals and started crossing some of those cultural barriers, you'd most likely discover that folks is folks no matter where you go in the world. Some folks are indeed obnoxious and arrogant fools, but most are just regular people with all the hopes dreams, fears and sorrows that we all have. It sjust easier to stick to a group that makes you feel comfortable than it is to go out there and fit into a different community. This also explains why tourists on tourist busses all seem so horrible, but tourists travelling pretty much by themselves always seem so much nicer: there's safety in numbers on the bus and you stick with that "community" when you are not in your element, whereas the individual tourist *has* to interact positively with the natives just to get around. Yowie > Don't take it personally, kid. The bottom line is not their *origin*, it's > the sheer *volume*, from just a few northern states, that is the root of the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > find very few old Floridians who migrated to Colorado to spend their golden > years...... Here's a curious question for you. Vacationers. I know Florida is a popular vacation spot - UK and US folks. I know that the two weeks we'll be there are the "Easter Fortnight" for us UK folks. Fair chance we'll meet a lot of fellow Brits. I've been told that it is "Spring Break" for many US folks. What sort of mix are we likely to meet? Is it likely to be more Brits than US, or vice versa? Other nationalities? SignatureJette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes jette@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ >The turn this discussion has taken, is just upsetting me now.. I'm >from Brooklyn New York, and so is my father, who has retired to South >Florida, and this behavior is as weird, unreasonable and obnoxious to >us as it is to everyone else. Ohhh, don't be upset, Theresa. We all have our local nutjobs. There's always "the few" that give an entire group a bad name. Sort of OT, but I always get offended on the phone with technical support people. I have this awful southern drawl. When I hear myself on tape I just cringe. Anyway, tech support people I get on the phone always automatically assume the person on the other end is just really dumb. They usually ask me if the computer is plugged in or something really stupid at first. >>The turn this discussion has taken, is just upsetting me now.. I'm >>from Brooklyn New York, and so is my father, who has retired to South [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >assume the person on the other end is just really dumb. They usually ask me if >the computer is plugged in or something really stupid at first. Now you don't be upset, Sherry. They do that to everyone. ;) Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) >>>The turn this discussion has taken, is just upsetting me now.. I'm >>>from Brooklyn New York, and so is my father, who has retired to South [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Theresa >alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Years ago I had a friend who was new to computers and called me for help. He told me that his problem was that he wasn't getting any picture. Course I asked him that very importent "is it plugged in?" question, and he got a little miffed, and said of course it was plugged in, and the little power light turned on and off when he turned the monitor on and off. So, I headed on over, figuring it was something that couldn't be diagnosed over the phone. Once I got there he offered me a soda, and while he headed off to get the soda I took a quick look at the system, and fiddled with it for a minute. We visited for a while, and then he asked what I thought the problem might be. I told him turn it on and so I could see what happened, and it powered up and everything worked fine. He couldn't understand, and I bullsh*tted him for awhile, telling him it was probably the monitor or videocard going bad. Once he started asking me how much I figured it'd cost to replace, I finally broke down and told him that while he was getting my soda I had checked, and plugged in the video cable, which had not been screwed in and had worked itself loose SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html >Once he started asking me how much I figured it'd cost to replace, I >finally broke down and told him that while he was getting my soda I >had checked, and plugged in the video cable, which had not been >screwed in and had worked itself loose I'll bet it was one of those old VESA cards. They were so big, I've seen them loose on the far end even when the faceplate was properly screwed on. > >>The turn this discussion has taken, is just upsetting me now.. I'm > >>from Brooklyn New York, and so is my father, who has retired to South [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Now you don't be upset, Sherry. They do that to everyone. ;) Just based on what I've read about service by the big computer makers, I think you're right. I believe the techs are instructed, at least the first time someone calls in with a problem, to ask them about some really basic things such as whether the computer is plugged in; whether all the cables to the various components are connected, etc. From what I recall reading they actually get calls on a fairly regular basis from people who claim they can't get their computer to work and the reason is that it isn't plugged in. Kind of scary when you think about it. > Theresa > alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ > > Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal > claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. > (Aldous Huxley) Kreisleriana <kreisleriana2@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: food dangers: >>Sort of OT, but I always get offended on the phone with technical support >>people. I have this awful southern drawl. When I hear myself on tape I just >>cringe. Anyway, tech support people I get on the phone always automatically >>assume the person on the other end is just really dumb. They usually ask me if >>the computer is plugged in or something really stupid at first. >Now you don't be upset, Sherry. They do that to everyone. ;) With good reason in a surprising percentage of cases :-) [I've done tech support. Also feel free to google alt.tech-support recovery] Signature"Don't mess with major appliances unless you know what you are doing (or unless your life insurance policy is up-to-date)." - John, RCFL > Sort of OT, but I always get offended on the phone with technical > support people. I have this awful southern drawl. When I hear myself > on tape I just cringe. I think southern accents are really pretty! You are right, though, that there's an unfair stereotype of southerners as not being very bright. I just think it's too bad you feel embarrassed about how you talk, when it's not your fault that other people have this prejudice about your accent. They're the ones who are stupid! > Anyway, tech support people I get on the phone always automatically > assume the person on the other end is just really dumb. They usually > ask me if the computer is plugged in or something really stupid at > first. I don't know if it'll be any comfort to know that they treat everyone like that, no matter where you're from. Joyce >I think southern accents are really pretty! You are right, though, that >there's an unfair stereotype of southerners as not being very bright. >I just think it's too bad you feel embarrassed about how you talk, when >it's not your fault that other people have this prejudice about your >accent. I was asked by a clerk in New York once, "Are you from Texas? Because you're the only person I've heard make the word "four" into two syllables." Sherry > I was asked by a clerk in New York once, "Are you from Texas? Because > you're the only person I've heard make the word "four" into two syllables." Ha - Bostonians do it, too! My mother says "foe-wah" for the number 4. Joyce - but I don't > > I was asked by a clerk in New York once, "Are you from Texas? Because > > you're the only person I've heard make the word "four" into two syllables." > >Ha - Bostonians do it, too! My mother says "foe-wah" for the number 4. > >Joyce - but I don't I knew a woman who had a very upper-clahss New York accent of the kind rarely heard anymore. Think lockjaw, George Plimpton, and the Roosevelts. She once said "I have some lovely chee-uzz," and it took me a few minutes to figure out she meant cheese. Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) On Tue, 23 Mar, Theresa wrote: >I knew a woman who had a very upper-clahss New York accent of the kind >rarely heard anymore. Think lockjaw, George Plimpton, and the >Roosevelts. She once said "I have some lovely chee-uzz," and it took >me a few minutes to figure out she meant cheese. > >Theresa Are you sure she didn't mean chias. They're not much fun, just standing there turning green, but at least you don't have to empty a litter box. O J >On Tue, 23 Mar, Theresa wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >O J No, she did mean cheese. I doubt she'd know what a Chia is. ;) Theresa alt.tv.frasier FAQ: http://www.im-listening.net/FAQ/ Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful. (Aldous Huxley) >> Are you sure she didn't mean chias. They're not much fun, just >>standing there turning green, but at least you don't have to empty a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Theresa Am I the only person who was given a Chia pet (I was given the Chia Ram) and actually raised chia on it? My MIL has a strange sense of humor when she feels stuck for present ideas. Pam S. > > I was asked by a clerk in New York once, "Are you from Texas? Because > > you're the only person I've heard make the word "four" into two syllables." > >Ha - Bostonians do it, too! My mother says "foe-wah" for the number 4. > >Joyce - but I don't I was raised in the panhandle of Texas. I don't and never did have a heavy Texas accent. My Mama insisted we speak properly, by the book. But i have noticed my older sister, being an adult for 35 years and still living in Texas, now has a strong accent that she didn't have as a child. She says "fo-war". -- CATherine I'm from Pittsburgh, we've got our own "dialect" here. Instead of "you all" we say "yinz". There is no such thing as a rubber band here - they are called gumbands. And bologna - for some reason is called jumbo (although I say bologna). Downtown comes out "dahntahn". Lot of old polish words too such as bubushka (scarf). Picture = pitcher, flower = flour, nosey = nebby, clean up/tidy up = red up, Steelers = Stillers. Favorite food is Isaly's chipped chopped ham - can I just say it's cheap, greasy and gross? I usually do not speak "pittsburgh-ese" however sometimes I forget myself. I work with people from across the US so I usually do pretty well. Hardest for me to break is gumband and yinz. If talking to other locals who speak full blown pittsburgh-ese I find myself speaking the same. Just like if I spend enough time around someone with a southern accent I start picking that up. :) JoJo http://home.comcast.net/~zookeepr/fosters.html > > > I was asked by a clerk in New York once, "Are you from Texas? Because > > > you're the only person I've heard make the word "four" into two syllables." [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > CATherine >I'm from Pittsburgh, we've got our own "dialect" here. logna). Oh, yeah!!! My mother was born in Pittsburgh and always said babushka, gumband, "red the table", etc, etc. Growing up, I thought it was "proper" English. Still, when I went to Pittsburgh later to be a bridesmaid at my cousin's wedding, I could barely understand them , with words such as "the machine" which I finally learned translated to "the car." My dad is a Louisianian and had his own set of odd-ball words, i.e., "er" sound pronounced as "oi". I was born in Virginia and gathered my own set. As we were a military family, we moved around a lot, adding touches here and there. The adults never changed but we kids sure picked up a batch of dialects. Then my husband and I ended up in Alabama. Whew, talk about a whole different language!! I still sometimes don't get the hang of it. When my son started in the public school, after a while dummy me had a heck of a time figuring out what he was saying. Case in point, "fawv" which, of *course*, was "five." After years of living in VA, PA, IL, LA, DC, MO, FL, etc., I was *sure* I had no particular accent. Until, a number of years ago, my brother called, after a long abscence, and as we were talking, he said, "You sound just like George Wallace!" The perfect squelch!! Jeanne > >I'm from Pittsburgh, we've got our own "dialect" here. logna). > > Oh, yeah!!! My mother was born in Pittsburgh and always said > babushka, gumband, "red the table", etc, etc. Growing up, I thought > it was "proper" English. Still, when I went to Pittsburgh later to be > a bridesmaid at my cousin's wedding, I could barely understand them , ...> Then my husband and I ended up in Alabama. Whew, talk about a whole > different language!! ... > Jeanne Oh, dear, my husband and I will be in Pittsburgh the end of April for his back surgery. I hope we don't need a translator (grin). When we were in Georgia, we had a neighbor, who also was new to Georgia, tell me that her son came home from his first day at elementary school and asked, "What does canceled mean?" His mother replied that it means something like erased or deleted. The boy looked worried His mother asked what the matter was and her son told her that the teacher told the class that anyone who misbehaved would be canceled. It took the mother while to realize that the teacher meant counseled (pronounced elsewhere as cow instead of can). Annie > When we were in Georgia, we had a neighbor, who also was new to Georgia, > tell me that her son came home from his first day at elementary school and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > (pronounced elsewhere as cow instead of can). > Annie Annie, that one's funny enough to make an anecdote for Reader's Digest. Pam S. still chuckling > > >I'm from Pittsburgh, we've got our own "dialect" here. logna). > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > (pronounced elsewhere as cow instead of can). > Annie LOL! That is so funny :-) -- Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > When we were in Georgia, we had a neighbor, who also was new to Georgia, > tell me that her son came home from his first day at elementary school and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > (pronounced elsewhere as cow instead of can). > Annie That's cute! Where in Georgia were you? It sounds like you were in north Georgia - a south Georgia accent is different. And a Savannah accent is different than where I live in south Georgia. You might have to be a native to hear the differences, though. :-) ------ Krista In the part of Georgia that says "cow"nceled ... Where in Georgia were you? ..> ------ > Krista That was when my husband was stationed at Fort Benning. The teacher would have been teaching in a public school in Columbus. Annie > ... Where in Georgia were you? ..> ------ > > Krista > > That was when my husband was stationed at Fort Benning. The teacher would > have been teaching in a public school in Columbus. > Annie Ah, *west* Georgia. Entirely different. :-P ------ Krista in southeast GA >> When we were in Georgia, we had a neighbor, who also was new to Georgia, >> tell me that her son came home from his first day at elementary school and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Krista >In the part of Georgia that says "cow"nceled It's kind of interesting how there can be pockets with slightly different accents in this day and age of media. Course, we all talk a little differently when at home or with our own crowd. The part of California where I grew up had lots of people from Oklahoma and Texas. So I had a little of that accent before the Army so fit to send me here. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html Annie, sorry to hear you've got to come here for surgery, but if you need a translator I can help :) (we don't talk that bad). I hope your husbands surgery goes well! You may run into the following - If anyone asks you "jeet jet" what they are trying to ask you is "did you eat yet" Or if you over hear that particular conversation and somebody responds with "no, jew" - simply means "no, did you". Oh, food, by God you have absolutely gotta try Primanti Brothers - not sure where the surgery is being done, but if in Oakland, that is where the original Primanti's is. What is so great about it? It's a sandwich (such as kielbasa, roast beef, even egg) on two thick slices of italian bread, melted provolone cheese, topped with sliced tomato, french fries and a sweet/sour (not creamy) coleslaw. Don't knock it until you've tried it! It's a Pittsburgh tradition, hospital staff should be familiar with it. Heard the "O" in Oakland is good (Original Hot Dog Stand). Also - if you go the "healthy" route and order a chicken or steak salad around here, 95% of the time it will have french fries on the salad (not big on rice in this neck of the woods). No other ketchup than Heinz, and whatever you do stay away from "Iron City" or "IC Light" beers (unless you want to get ill). And we drink "pop" not soda (although I understand lots of others use pop as well). Forgive me, not sure where you are from or how close to the burg you are, some people aren't familiar with our fry fetish. :) Good luck w/the surgery and hope your trip goes well too. JoJo http://home.comcast.net/~zookeepr/fosters.html > > >I'm from Pittsburgh, we've got our own "dialect" here. logna). > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > (pronounced elsewhere as cow instead of can). > Annie > Annie, sorry to hear you've got to come here for surgery, but if you need a > translator I can help :) (we don't talk that bad). > ....> > Oh, food, by God you have absolutely gotta try Primanti Brothers - ...> > Good luck w/the surgery and hope your trip goes well too. > > JoJo JoJo, Thanks for the info. The surgery will be at Allegheny General Hospital on April 29. The motel is somewhere in the same area. Is that near Oakland? The motel has a special deal for reduced rates for hospital patients and has a shuttle service to and from the airport and the hospital, which means we won't have to rent a car. Good thing, because I get lost easily and my husband probably won't be supposed to drive. Although DH is only expected to be in the hospital overnight, we'll stay in town a few days after the surgery to make sure he is recovering O.K. It doesn't seem like a good idea to go from the hospital to the airport to fly for several hours when you've just had spinal surgery. I don't know how active DH will be, but I will be able to get around just fine, unless I need to stick around and look after him. We expect, however, that he will not be bedridden and, in fact, will be required to get a certain amount of exercise. DH says he's eaten at Primanti Brothers in Pittsburgh, and it is great. Maybe, if we don't need to hang around the motel, you'd like to join us for lunch or whatever one day? Or just drop in for a "we met" chat? If so, please email me privately. Annie > Annie, sorry to hear you've got to come here for surgery, but if you need a > translator I can help :) (we don't talk that bad). I hope your husbands [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > conversation and somebody responds with "no, jew" - simply means "no, did > you". Alvie Singer says "hi". > You may run into the following - If anyone asks you "jeet jet" what they are > trying to ask you is "did you eat yet" Or if you over hear that particular > conversation and somebody responds with "no, jew" - simply means "no, did > you". LOL - that's an old Woody Allen bit. Joyce jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net had some very interesting things to say about Re: regional accents (USA): > > You may run into the following - If anyone asks you "jeet jet" what they are > > trying to ask you is "did you eat yet" Or if you over hear that particular > > conversation and somebody responds with "no, jew" - simply means "no, did > > you". >LOL - that's an old Woody Allen bit. Sounds more like Jeff Foxworthy to me. Signature"Don't mess with major appliances unless you know what you are doing (or unless your life insurance policy is up-to-date)." - John, RCFL >>LOL - that's an old Woody Allen bit. > Sounds more like Jeff Foxworthy to me. Might be, but it's also definitely from Woody Allen. It was a scene in Annie Hall. Joyce > My dad is a Louisianian and had his own set of odd-ball words, i.e., > "er" sound pronounced as "oi". Isn't that what they do in New Joisey? :) Joyce |
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