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GraceCat - 12 Mar 2004 01:53 GMT
Thankfully our health is fine here but... We ran into a slight (BIG)
construction problem. One of our walls wobbles. It's not a support wall,
in fact they pulled it out to rebuild again because the first time they
threw it up, it was only to build one part. Sorta like, they had to
perform step one to complete step two, but step two needed to be done
before step one can be done. Hence step one needed to be temporary
before they can return to it and make it permanent.

Anyway, it's a 15 foot (high) wall that doesn't have *any* load bearings
whatsoever but well.. it wobbles when you close the door.

*pulls hair out*

Suffice to say I'm extremely nervous right now because they need to do
some adjustment. Dad and Jody swear it's only minor and it really is ok.
But it does look bad when the wall wobbles even in the slightest. Even
if they're telling me you can yank the whole doggone wall out and the
rest of the house is uneffected... Can I stress that I don't want to see
my house wobbling???

*whimpers*
Grace
MaryL - 12 Mar 2004 02:40 GMT
> Thankfully our health is fine here but... We ran into a slight (BIG)
> construction problem. One of our walls wobbles. It's not a support wall,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> *whimpers*
> Grace

Grace,

I suggested earlier that you post a message to alt.home.repair.  Did you
ever take a look at that newsgroup?  They have a variety of people there
with a *lot* of knowledge in various areas of construction, and you could
probably get more specific information from that type of NG.  A wobbling
wall would have me in a panic, and I hope you are also taking steps *not* to
pay until the job is done right.

MaryL
MaryL - 12 Mar 2004 02:43 GMT
> Thankfully our health is fine here but... We ran into a slight (BIG)
> construction problem. One of our walls wobbles.
>
> Grace

In addition to what I said in the message I posted a few minutes ago:  In my
opinion, you also need some practical (and expert) on-the-spot advice.  If
it were me, I think I would consult both an attorney and a reputable home
inspector to make sure you don't get left with some major problems after
this job is done.

MaryL
GraceCat - 12 Mar 2004 04:36 GMT
> > Thankfully our health is fine here but... We ran into a slight (BIG)
> > construction problem. One of our walls wobbles.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> MaryL

Ack, I missed the alt.home.repair message. And in truth, I'll take a
look at them but I barely have enough time for this newsgroup :(.

It's not that big of a deal really. It's a great structurally sound home
in all honesty and as I said, this wall is a non-load bearing wall and
all that it's going to take is a step back and return to reconstruct it,
or add extra support to it to keep the wobbles out. At worst, we'll have
to eat the cost of some special orders ($5k).

I'm still a bit tweaked and a little worried but since the wall isn't
*completely* finished, it's premature to fall into a total panic.
Apparently, after it was explained to me, I grasp the problem better.
It's a "hmmm, that's not going to quite work, we need to add such and
such before the sheetrock goes up".

And if I keep repeating that, I may believe it ;)

I post my home stuff here because it is a group of my friends and it's
easier to spill the woes than it would be to a group of strangers. If
that makes sense instead of going to a newsgroup that talks about this
sort of thing :).

Grace
MaryL - 12 Mar 2004 05:00 GMT
> Ack, I missed the alt.home.repair message. And in truth, I'll take a
> look at them but I barely have enough time for this newsgroup :(.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Grace

It makes perfect sense to post here for moral support.  However, I thought
it would be a good idea to *also* post to the other group because they might
have some sounds ideas about what is causing your structural problems -- and
whether it is likely to cause further problems in the future or if it is
something that can be corrected at reasonable cost and effort.

Whatever you do, good luck.  I hope everything works out well for you.  I
would like to add a sunroom onto the back of my house in the next year or
so, and I hope I don't run into any "little inconveniences" along the way
(which often does happen, I know).

MaryL
Yowie - 12 Mar 2004 02:46 GMT
> Thankfully our health is fine here but... We ran into a slight (BIG)
> construction problem. One of our walls wobbles. It's not a support wall,
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> *whimpers*

Purrs and hugs.

You are reminding me why Joel and I swore black and blue that we'd never
build a house again. You don't want to see it while its being made because
you see all the flaws, shortcuts and dodgy handiwork. But if buy a pre-made
one, then you see the end product only and can make up your mind on what th
whole thing, take it or leave it.

I don't know if it will reassure you, but if its not a load-bearing wall,
then its not really a big deal. It can be replaced or stabilised later
without affecting the stability of the rest of the structures. I know its
frustrating for you, I know, honest, but as long as youcan trust your
builders (and Jody) to see to it that the wall doesn't wobble by the time
you make the fnal payment, then you are just worrying for nothing. Yes, I
also know you can't help but wory, but sweetie, now you know that that wall
wobbles, you can make *damn sure* it doesn't before you hand over the last
payment. In fact, you can inspect all the walls for wobble before the last
payment, now that you know about the potential.

Many many purrs, its a very stressful time.

Yowie
GraceCat - 12 Mar 2004 04:41 GMT
> Purrs and hugs.
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Yowie

Yeah, I trust them. And I trust our builders 100%. In fact, I tried to
call the builder and ask if Jody's telling me the truth if it's not load
bearing, it'll be ok. Yeah, I'll take his word over that of my husband's
but hey!! It's his job ;).

I'll take some photos but the problem was that this wall is fifteen feet
high. (so I've been told) And if they use "anchor iron" in four
different places before the sheetrock and bolt a mantle/support beam
(which looks natural because we have a hardwood cathedral ceiling) then
it doesn't bow out just a little bit.

And if that doesn't help, we tear the wall down again, add extra stud
support, toss the insulation back up and do the iron thingie.

Grace
still upset, but soothed
GraceCat - 12 Mar 2004 04:44 GMT
"Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:c2r8bi$20mvre$4@ID-> Many many purrs, its a very stressful time.

> Yowie

Oh.. and another thing. Even if we handed them the last payment, they
will come back again and again until the job is done or we're satisfied.
Half of these people are extended family and the other half are in Dad's
Sunday School class. The Jenkins family has branched out into all fields
of building from houses, to cabinet shops, to heating/air cond to
electrical work. They're *the* family to use on any and all construction
here. It's at least a six month wait before they even come out to
inspect the house plans so their reputation is excedingly excellent.

So getting it right is the least of my worries. It's just.. it might be
a couple weeks pushed back again...

Grace
Yowie - 12 Mar 2004 06:21 GMT
> "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:c2r8bi$20mvre$4@ID-> Many many purrs, its a very stressful time.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> So getting it right is the least of my worries. It's just.. it might be
> a couple weeks pushed back again...

Oooh! I think its time for building horror stories :-)

We had our house built back in 98/99

Afer the signing of all thepapers I was told it will take 3 months *tops*
before the house was ready to move into. That supposedly included rainy
days, strikes etc etc.

So, figuring that 3 month was a short period of time, Joel and I moved into
the dingiest darkest smelliest most digusting flat because ti was cheap and
why waste more money on anapartment we'd only be in for 3 months?

We went to visit our house every week.

It got to lock-up stage within 3 months.

Then it sat there, doing sweet FA for another 6.

I kept ringing the contruction company and kept getting BS excuses like the
roads weren't ready or the council had put a moritorium on work that week
etc etc etc. All complete lies, I know, because I checked every single one
of their alleged excuses.

The closest I can get to the actual truth is that the building company was
building allthe houses in my area at the one time. So the concreters came in
and laid the slab for every single house. If you happened to be the first
house that had its slab laid, you'd have to wait forever for the last house
to have its slab laid before the frame was contructed.

And right in the middle of the building process there was a housing boom in
Sydney so that you couldn't hire contractors for love nor money

So it got to lock-up stage and just sat there, doing nothing, while we went
mad in this pokey, dingy, smelly disgusting little flat. I would have
willingly gone in and done the painting and tiling had they let me, but no,
I didn't "own" it yet, and therefore I couldn't.

After nearly a year, we finally got the keys to move in. And literally while
we were moving in, the landscapers were still doing the driveway and putting
in the lawn.

I'm really glad you trust your builders, Grace, because I wouldn't trust a
builder as far as I could spit one, which wouldn't be very far.

If there's a next time we are goign to buy a second hand house, and be aware
of its "eccentricities" before we move it, rather that discovering them too
late to do anything about but knowing we could have had it fixed if we'd
just been aware of the problem before it was "set in concrete" so to speak.

You have my utmost sympathies. Here, have a nice hot camomile tea Úº to help
soothe those nerves.

Yowie
Steve Touchstone - 12 Mar 2004 03:20 GMT
>Thankfully our health is fine here but... We ran into a slight (BIG)
>construction problem. One of our walls wobbles. It's not a support wall,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>*whimpers*
>Grace

(((Grace)))

Building our own house can be VERY stressful.

I don't have any personal expertise as a builder, but grew up with a
lot of carpenters - Grandpas on boths sides, uncles, and were, or
still are, carpenters. So I grew up listening to their discussions
enough to know that things like you describe aren't that rare.

So, since you don't say if it's a problem that the builders caught, or
something that they were ignoring and/or trying to hide, I don't know
if you should worry or not.
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GraceCat - 12 Mar 2004 04:48 GMT
"Steve Touchstone" <stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net> wrote > So, since you
don't say if it's a problem that the builders caught, or
> something that they were ignoring and/or trying to hide, I don't know
> if you should worry or not.
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They just haven't caught it yet. The contractor hasn't done his final
walkthrough and the foreman is a perfectionist. I have no doubt it'll be
fixed to our satisfaction (everybody's). I've calmed down, the purrs and
prayers helped. It is and was just a bit upsetting to walk in and see a
wall wobble.

And Dad is knowledgable in this sort of thing too and he reasoned that
the structure and construction was sound, it was due to the height, it
would bow out slightly. So we need a beam going crosswise to pull that
slight bend when the door would shut. It sounds scary, and believe me,
seeing it was but it wasn't exactly unforeseen, hence the reason they
looked for it in the first place.

Grace
repeating the logical explanation over and over and over
John F. Eldredge - 13 Mar 2004 00:19 GMT
>"Steve Touchstone" <stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net> wrote > So, since you
>don't say if it's a problem that the builders caught, or
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>Grace
>repeating the logical explanation over and over and over

I worked as a security guard while I was in college.  Most of my time
was spent at a particular factory and the adjoining scrap-metal yard
(owned by the same company), but I had some days at other locations.
On one occasion, I spent a night guarding an office building that was
still under construction.  The building, all on one level, had
aluminum-stud-and-sheetrock interior walls (non-load-bearing) about 8
feet high, and about 4 feet of open space above the walls, reaching
up to the building's roof.  Presumably they were planning to put in a
suspended ceiling, with air ducts and the like above it.  The floor
was plywood.  I was not impressed with the sturdiness of the
construction, particularly given that, everywhere I walked in the
building, I could see the walls visibly vibrating to each step.  I
felt like I was walking through one of those traditional Japanese
houses with sliding paper walls.

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Sherry - 12 Mar 2004 06:04 GMT
>Building our own house can be VERY stressful.

Oh, no joke for sure. My DH said, after it was done..."I thought we were going
to lose you."  Grace's stories really bring that all back! Never again! Way
before we built the house, when we were 19 or so,  we had a cute little 12x60
mobile home where this house is now. It was great. Instant house!!

Sherry

Sherry
Christine Burel - 12 Mar 2004 14:55 GMT
Soothing purrs coming your way, Grace; hope your stress level goes down
asap!
Christine
> Thankfully our health is fine here but... We ran into a slight (BIG)
> construction problem. One of our walls wobbles. It's not a support wall,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> *whimpers*
> Grace
polonca12000 - 12 Mar 2004 20:59 GMT
Purrs for your wall,
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Polonca & Soncek

> Thankfully our health is fine here but... We ran into a slight (BIG)
> construction problem. One of our walls wobbles. <snip
Lisa Katt - 13 Mar 2004 00:20 GMT
I do not understand much of your technical wall problems and other house
building problems.
Purrs dears.
I do think you just want us to hold your paw.
You and Jody are building the house of your dreams. And reality is not as
easy as day dreams are.
So you just vent here as much as you want and need and we will be soooo
sympathetic and pat your head!
Gracie,  I think it is just wonderful that you and Jody and the kids will
have your dream home. And we do care about how it will turn out.
Please, report in now and then!
Elisabet and Hugo Katt. Purrs!

GraceCat skrev i meddelandet ...
>Thankfully our health is fine here but... We ran into a slight (BIG)
>construction problem. One of our walls wobbles. It's not a support wall,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>*whimpers*
>Grace
Brenda - 13 Mar 2004 01:51 GMT
> Thankfully our health is fine here but... We ran into a slight (BIG)
> construction problem. One of our walls wobbles. It's not a support wall,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> *whimpers*
> Grace

only thing that ought to wobble are weebles - not walls!  sending some
wall-steadying purrs - and some nerve-steadying ones, too.
Brenda
LOL - 13 Mar 2004 07:05 GMT
> Thankfully our health is fine here but... We ran into a slight (BIG)
> construction problem. One of our walls wobbles. It's not a support wall,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> *whimpers*
> Grace

We are sending soothing purrs westward, Grace; I hope they fix the
wall to your satisfaction.  If not, sic Mutt on 'em.   ;-)

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Krista
GraceCat - 13 Mar 2004 14:10 GMT
> We are sending soothing purrs westward, Grace; I hope they fix the
> wall to your satisfaction.  If not, sic Mutt on 'em.   ;-)
>
> ------
> Krista

Funny you should mention Mutt....

Mom bought a baby (4 month old) boa the other day and cracked a joke
that she'd feed Mutt to him when he got hungry. (insert glare here) Well
I didn't get a chance to say anything because another girl popped up and
said that it would be a guess who would eat who because Mutt could kick
the snake's a.s ;)

I think she's a feminine doggy version of Mikey *grin*
Grace
LOL - 14 Mar 2004 06:27 GMT
(snippety)

> I think she's a feminine doggy version of Mikey *grin*
> Grace

Heh.  G*d help you.   :-P

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Krista
 
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