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Dave Yehudah
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Yoj - 03 Mar 2004 07:53 GMT I sent Dave Yehudah an e-mail, telling him that we miss him and hope he is all right. His reply is below.
-- Joy
Life is what happens to you while you are planning to do something else.
Hi, Joy Thanks for your concern. I've been having some health problems lately; I didn't realize I was neglecting my friends, but I've just had too much on my mind. I'll get back later. Tell everyone 'Hi' for me. Cheers, Dave
Yowie - 03 Mar 2004 09:07 GMT > I sent Dave Yehudah an e-mail, telling him that we miss him and hope he > is all right. His reply is below. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I didn't realize I was neglecting my friends, but I've just had too much > on my mind. I'll get back later. Tell everyone 'Hi' for me. Glad he's still with us. Here's purrs and prayers that his health problems clear up and he's back to being the Dave we know and love again.
Yowie
Sherry - 03 Mar 2004 13:46 GMT >Hi, Joy >Thanks for your concern. I've been having some health problems lately; >I didn't realize I was neglecting my friends, but I've just had too much >on my mind. I'll get back later. Tell everyone 'Hi' for me. >Cheers, >Dave I was also missing Dave. Thanks for checking with him & posting. I hope he bounces back soon.
Sherry
Hopitus2 - 03 Mar 2004 21:21 GMT I bet Dave's health problems are related to his diabetes. He never said he had it (not that I noticed, anyway) but one of his last posts here stated in a kind of worried way that he could no longer feel his feet.....I could relate to that, I have type 2 myself and that foot numbness comes and goes with it. Big Evil 3 purrs for his quick recovery (there's no cure; it can only be dealt with as you go along) and return to rpca. Intense meatloaf meditations too, the feet is the least of it.
: >Hi, Joy : >Thanks for your concern. I've been having some health problems lately; [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : : Sherry Yoj - 04 Mar 2004 00:56 GMT He has both diabetes and a serious heart condition.
-- Joy
Life is what happens to you while you are planning to do something else.
> I bet Dave's health problems are related to his diabetes. He never said he > had it (not that I noticed, anyway) but one of his last posts here stated in [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > : > : Sherry JP Hobbs - 15 Mar 2004 10:59 GMT Dave, many Purrs fromWilson and me to get that diabetes under control and start feeling better, I too have type two, also angina and my lovely *ugh* knee replacements aren't we the lucky ones, Hugs for comfort Jean
> He has both diabetes and a serious heart condition. > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > : > > : Sherry David Yehudah - 16 Mar 2004 00:49 GMT Hi, All Sorry I haven't been around for a while. It's not nice to ignore one's friends. My only excuse is that I have been fighting ill health and trying to lead a normal life at the same time. Between housekeeping, keeping our vehicles running, and trying to redecorate our house, I haven't had time for anything else. I have type 2 diabetes (which has required constant care lately), congestive heart failure (which is patiently waiting its turn to give me fits, again), hemochromatosis (which requires weekly phlebotomy), peripheral neuropathy (which means I can't feel my feet except for the constant pain of damaged nerve endings screaming in agony), and chronic atrial fibrillation (which is no fun, neither). All my major organs are supersaturated with iron and could shut down at any time. Help! I need a hug! Despite all that I am still basically cheerful. They finally put me on insulin after my begging them for the past year or more. They said the pills I was taking would take care of it. I called the nurse one day about three weeks ago and asked her what it meant when my glucosometer said "High." She said tell it "Hi" back. I said, "No, you don't understand. The meter part says "H-i-g-h" on the screen." She then said that meant my blood sugar was over 600 (normal is 80 - 120) and to get my butt to the emergency room. There they gave me insulin and held me for observation. That happened on nearly a daily basis for about two weeks. They finally broke down and put me on insulin. How do you spell relief? :-) For me it was blood sugar under 200 for the first time in over a year. As soon as I get the dosage correct, it should stay right around 100 - 120. I'm about ready for knee replacement, too, but I doubt it'll happen. When I was diagnosed with a crushed disc a few years ago, they said I needed back surgery, then, but because of my heart condition I probably wouldn't survive. Between the heart, knee, and back problems, Patty gets lots of exercise pushing me around in a wheelchair. It doesn't happen often enough to warrant a motorized chair. But I'm still alive, my mind is pretty clear most of the time, and I have Patty to annoy. She says I keep her around for entertainment value. :-) Thanks for caring; that was quite an outpouring of sympathy. Cheers, Dave
> Dave, many Purrs fromWilson and me to get that diabetes > under control and start feeling better, I too have type two, [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >>>: >>>: Sherry Hopitus2 - 16 Mar 2004 01:03 GMT So *da*** glad to hear from you at last, Dave. Hang in there; good thing the insulin is helping bigtime. Keep in touch with us; you're missed here.
: Hi, All : Sorry I haven't been around for a while. It's not nice to ignore one's [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] : >>>: : >>>: Sherry Charleen Welton - 16 Mar 2004 01:07 GMT > Hi, All > Sorry I haven't been around for a while. It's not nice to ignore one's [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > neither). All my major organs are supersaturated with iron and could > shut down at any time. Help! I need a hug! {{{{{{{{{{{{{Hugs, Hugs, Hugs, Hugs, Hugs}}}}}}}}}}}
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Christine Burel - 16 Mar 2004 01:51 GMT Dave, the Burel kitties are purring for you and Patty -- hugs, you're in our thoughts. Christine
> Hi, All > Sorry I haven't been around for a while. It's not nice to ignore one's [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > >>>: > >>>: Sherry Annie Wxill - 16 Mar 2004 02:22 GMT > Hi, All > ... Help! I need a hug! ...> But I'm still alive, my mind is pretty clear most of the time, and I
> have Patty to annoy. She says I keep her around for entertainment value. :-) > Thanks for caring; that was quite an outpouring of sympathy. > Cheers, > Dave Hugs, prayers, purrs and meatloaf meditations headed your way. Patty is welcome to grab some, too. Annie
David Stevenson - 16 Mar 2004 04:19 GMT > Despite all that I am still basically cheerful. They finally put >me on insulin after my begging them for the past year or more. They [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >time in over a year. As soon as I get the dosage correct, it should >stay right around 100 - 120. Interesting. I suppose the units in the USA must be different. My blood sugar is too high if it goes over 10, and good would be 4 to 7. In practice it has been averaging 10.5 recently which is hardly good news. I have had difficulty getting travel insurance because of diabetes and blood pressure.
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Seanette Blaylock - 16 Mar 2004 04:39 GMT David Stevenson <cat2@nospam.demon.co.uk> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Dave Yehudah:
>> Despite all that I am still basically cheerful. They finally put >>me on insulin after my begging them for the past year or more. They [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I have had difficulty getting travel insurance because of diabetes and >blood pressure. Divide US units [mg/dl] by 18 to get your units [mmol/L], likewise multiply yours by 18 to get US.
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL David Stevenson - 16 Mar 2004 15:00 GMT >David Stevenson <cat2@nospam.demon.co.uk> had some very interesting >things to say about Re: Dave Yehudah: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>>time in over a year. As soon as I get the dosage correct, it should >>>stay right around 100 - 120.
>> Interesting. I suppose the units in the USA must be different. My >>blood sugar is too high if it goes over 10, and good would be 4 to 7. In >>practice it has been averaging 10.5 recently which is hardly good news. >>I have had difficulty getting travel insurance because of diabetes and >>blood pressure.
>Divide US units [mg/dl] by 18 to get your units [mmol/L], likewise >multiply yours by 18 to get US. That makes sense: that means my "normal" is 72 to 126, near enough to David's 80 to 120. I am not happy with my 189ish, and Dave seems to be back to that ["under 200"]. As for his 600, if I read 33 on my meter I would be straight into the nearest hospital, I can assure you.
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Marina - 16 Mar 2004 15:21 GMT "David Stevenson" <cat2@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
> That makes sense: that means my "normal" is 72 to 126, near enough to > David's 80 to 120. I am not happy with my 189ish, and Dave seems to be > back to that ["under 200"]. As for his 600, if I read 33 on my meter I > would be straight into the nearest hospital, I can assure you. Yes, that is terribly high. I've had 32 twice. Felt awful.
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Seanette Blaylock - 17 Mar 2004 03:10 GMT "Marina" <frankiennikki@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Dave Yehudah:
>"David Stevenson" <cat2@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote >> That makes sense: that means my "normal" is 72 to 126, near enough to >> David's 80 to 120. I am not happy with my 189ish, and Dave seems to be >> back to that ["under 200"]. As for his 600, if I read 33 on my meter I >> would be straight into the nearest hospital, I can assure you. >Yes, that is terribly high. I've had 32 twice. Felt awful. Bob's gone as high as 327 [18-ish in your units], and had the standard thirsty/constantly hitting the bathroom thing [this is what alerted us that he needed to be checked]. He's doing a LOT better these days, by paying attention to diet and exercise [he's not on any medication yet and we hope to keep it that way as long as possible].
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL polonca12000 - 17 Mar 2004 21:45 GMT So glad to hear Bob is doing so well with his diet and exercise! Best wishes and purrs,
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> Bob's gone as high as 327 [18-ish in your units], and had the standard > thirsty/constantly hitting the bathroom thing [this is what alerted us > that he needed to be checked]. He's doing a LOT better these days, by > paying attention to diet and exercise [he's not on any medication yet > and we hope to keep it that way as long as possible]. > :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Seanette Blaylock - 17 Mar 2004 03:10 GMT David Stevenson <cat2@nospam.demon.co.uk> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Dave Yehudah:
>>> Interesting. I suppose the units in the USA must be different. My >>>blood sugar is too high if it goes over 10, and good would be 4 to 7. In [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >back to that ["under 200"]. As for his 600, if I read 33 on my meter I >would be straight into the nearest hospital, I can assure you. I should hope so!!!!
My husband is a Type 2 diabetic, so I've had to learn a lot about this. Your "normal" range sounds fine to me [DH's doctor and my research suggest a good range to aim for for fasting checks is 70-110 (about 4 to about 6)]. 189 [aka slightly over 10] is definitely not good, even 1 hour post-meal, but you knew that. :-)
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL polonca12000 - 16 Mar 2004 22:56 GMT Lots of purrs and best wishes for your health to improve, David,
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> Interesting. I suppose the units in the USA must be different. My > blood sugar is too high if it goes over 10, and good would be 4 to 7. In > practice it has been averaging 10.5 recently which is hardly good news. > I have had difficulty getting travel insurance because of diabetes and > blood pressure. Sam Nash - 16 Mar 2004 05:23 GMT > Hi, All > Sorry I haven't been around for a while. It's not nice to ignore one's [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Cheers, > Dave {{{{{{{{{{{ Dave and Patty }}}}}}}}}}}} If you won't be embarrassed by a guy hug, I won't be neither. Please take care of yourself and get better soon. Sam
Marina - 16 Mar 2004 05:32 GMT > Sorry I haven't been around for a while. It's not nice to ignore one's > friends. My only excuse is that I have been fighting ill health and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > neither). All my major organs are supersaturated with iron and could > shut down at any time. Help! I need a hug! {{David}} Purrs from the cats and vibes of sympathy from another diabetic (type I) and neuropathy-sufferer. Hang in there!
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Mishi - 16 Mar 2004 05:46 GMT << peripheral neuropathy (which means I can't feel my feet except for the constant pain of damaged nerve endings screaming in agony), >>
Hi Dave,
Have the drs. tried capsacin therapy on your legs and feet? It has given people back their ability to walk free of pain. I don't know if the capsacin that you can buy over the counter would help much, as the dosage they use is much higher.
Hope you feel better soon! Patti (who's better half's name is also Dave!)
SUQKRT - 16 Mar 2004 20:16 GMT ><< peripheral neuropathy (which means I can't feel my feet except for >the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Patti >(who's better half's name is also Dave!) I was thinking the same thing. I saw a topical (skin) treatment used on a PBS show called scientific American. Suz Macmoosette Thank Heavens There's Only One =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^=
I've learned to not sweat the petty things, and not pet the sweaty things.
Steve Touchstone - 16 Mar 2004 06:01 GMT Sorry to hear about all the health issues.
Sending Purrs, prauers, and {{{hugs}}} for better health in the future
>Hi, All > Sorry I haven't been around for a while. It's not nice to ignore one's [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] >>>>: >>>>: Sherry
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pmendhall - 16 Mar 2004 06:15 GMT Hugs by the fur full. Hope you are feeling better soon. Any one of your ailments is no fun, all of them combined must really be a pain. You have been missed and many healing thoughts and doggie moans and groans headed your and Patty's way. Can't forget Patty. ;)
Diane
LOL - 16 Mar 2004 07:09 GMT > Hi, All > Sorry I haven't been around for a while. It's not nice to ignore one's > friends. My only excuse is that I have been fighting ill health and > trying to lead a normal life at the same time. (big snip here)
> Cheers, > Dave I am glad to see you posting, but please do take care of yourself. I am glad that the situation with treating your diabetes has improved. I do hope your health problems ease up on you; we will be sending loads of purrs your way.
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Yowie - 16 Mar 2004 07:36 GMT > Hi, All > Sorry I haven't been around for a while. It's not nice to ignore one's [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > neither). All my major organs are supersaturated with iron and could > shut down at any time. Help! I need a hug! <snip>
As many hugs as you and Patty can handle are being sent your way!
I'm glad they've finaly started to do something about your blood sugar (it seems criminal that they'd just ignore that sort of thing for so long) and I hoep that just having normal blood sugar will give your other ailments some relief.
Much Purring and Wagging for you both.
Yowie
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 16 Mar 2004 10:46 GMT [snip]
Dave, you're a testament to irrepressible good spirits. Or maybe you're just contrary. :) In any case, I'm sorry to hear you're in so much pain! What kind of doctors would let you keep having such high blood sugar and not give you insulin?? Or was this an insurance thing? Insurance companies are spawn of the devil. I'm glad you're on the insulin now, anyway.
I think annoying Patty is what keeps you alive, Dave. It's because you enjoy it so much! It's kind of like what they say about how spending time with pets is good for the blood pressure. Keeps you healthy. So does laughter, especially at your dear wife's expense. :)
Hugs, Joyce
Jeanette - 16 Mar 2004 12:57 GMT > Hi, All > Sorry I haven't been around for a while. It's not nice to ignore one's [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > neither). All my major organs are supersaturated with iron and could > shut down at any time. Help! I need a hug! Dave, whenever you need a hug, just imagine a small, round, forty year old Lancashire lass, with dimples and a big smile. That's me, and you can have a hug whenever you need one.
Lots of love
Jeanette
Debra Berry - 16 Mar 2004 19:49 GMT Hi Dave,
It's so good to see your posting. I've been wondering how you are and missing your humor. I'm sorry to hear that your diabetes is not cooperating. Purrs and hugs from me and my furballs. Please take care.
Debbie Berry
> Hi, All > Sorry I haven't been around for a while. It's not nice to ignore one's [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > >>>: > >>>: Sherry SUQKRT - 16 Mar 2004 20:16 GMT All my major organs are supersaturated with iron and could shut down at any time. Help! I need a hug!
{{{{{{{hugs& purrs}}}}}}}}}} wish I could do more. Suz Macmoosette Thank Heavens There's Only One =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^=
I've learned to not sweat the petty things, and not pet the sweaty things.
Ginger-lyn Summer - 16 Mar 2004 22:05 GMT {{{{{{{{{{{{{{Dave, and Patty, too}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Sending big hugs and multiple purrs your way that your health situation improves and you feel much better soon.
Ginger-lyn
>Hi, All > Sorry I haven't been around for a while. It's not nice to ignore one's [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] >>>>: >>>>: Sherry polonca12000 - 16 Mar 2004 22:55 GMT Oh, Dave, I'm so very sorry to hear you are not feeling well. We are purring and sending best wishes for your health to improve really soon,
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> Hi, All > Sorry I haven't been around for a while. It's not nice to ignore one's > friends. My only excuse is that I have been fighting ill health and > trying to lead a normal life at the same time. <snip Adrian - 17 Mar 2004 10:58 GMT <SNIP>
>But I'm still alive, my mind is pretty clear most of the time, > and I have Patty to annoy. She says I keep her around for > entertainment value. :-) Thanks for caring; that was quite an > outpouring of sympathy. Cheers, > Dave I'm glad you're still with us. I'm sorry about all your medical problems, I wish there was somthing I could do, all I can do is send purrs that your life is as long and pain free as posssible. Keep annoying Patty.
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Tanada - 17 Mar 2004 22:00 GMT > <Snip the longest and sorriest list of ailments I've read in a long > time>
> But I'm still alive, my mind is pretty clear most of the time, and I > have Patty to annoy. She says I keep her around for entertainment value. > :-) > Thanks for caring; that was quite an outpouring of sympathy. > Cheers, > Dave ((((((HUGS)))))) Dave You take care of yourself, we need our sexy senior citizen to pick on. Rob says that he needs you as a "dirty old goat" mentor. I don't think he needs help, but appreciate the sentiment.
Pam S.
SUQKRT - 03 Mar 2004 23:48 GMT >>Hi, Joy >>Thanks for your concern. I've been having some health problems lately; [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Sherry Tell him Spicey will purr for his health. Suz Macmoosette Thank Heavens There's Only One =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^=
I've learned to not sweat the petty things, and not pet the sweaty things.
Ginger-lyn Summer - 03 Mar 2004 22:27 GMT >I sent Dave Yehudah an e-mail, telling him that we miss him and hope he >is all right. His reply is below. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Cheers, >Dave Thank you, Joy, for checking in on him. I was wondering if he was okay, too. Here's purring that he feels better soon.
Ginger-lyn
Steve Touchstone - 04 Mar 2004 03:28 GMT >I sent Dave Yehudah an e-mail, telling him that we miss him and hope he >is all right. Thanks for checking and letting us know - please pass along our purrs
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LOL - 04 Mar 2004 06:30 GMT > I sent Dave Yehudah an e-mail, telling him that we miss him and hope he > is all right. His reply is below. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cheers, > Dave Thanks for posting this, Joy. We are sending a load of feel-better purrs to David Y. (I don't mean to hog them all for Mike, truly.)
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JP Hobbs - 15 Mar 2004 11:04 GMT Krista, my computer has been off so I have missed out on a lot of news, I hope Mike is doing well now, Jean. P.
> > I sent Dave Yehudah an e-mail, telling him that we miss him and hope he > > is all right. His reply is below. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > ------ > Krista LOL - 15 Mar 2004 15:49 GMT > Krista, my computer has been off so I have missed out on a lot of > news, I hope Mike is doing well now, Jean. P. Mike isn't back to normal yet, but he is better, thanks. We appreciate all the purrs he's gotten. :-)
------ Krista Who was mystified by this header at first, and who hopes Wilson is doing well too. :-)
JP Hobbs - 21 Mar 2004 03:22 GMT Good grief 'I'm I'm sorry David it was late when I answered this and I was in a hurry to go to bed, but I neant to send you some Purrs, and hope your feeling better now Jean.P.
> Krista, my computer has been off so I have missed out on a lot of > news, I hope Mike is doing well now, Jean. P. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > ------ > > Krista Jeanette - 04 Mar 2004 08:20 GMT > I sent Dave Yehudah an e-mail, telling him that we miss him and hope he > is all right. His reply is below. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cheers, > Dave
:( Thanks for emailing him Joy. It's good to know that he's still around.
polonca12000 - 04 Mar 2004 08:46 GMT Thanks for Dave's e-mail, Joy. We do miss him. Lots of purrs and best wishes for his health problems to solve themselves,
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> I sent Dave Yehudah an e-mail, telling him that we miss him and hope he > is all right. His reply is below. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cheers, > Dave Adrian - 04 Mar 2004 10:33 GMT > I sent Dave Yehudah an e-mail, telling him that we miss him and hope > he is all right. His reply is below. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Cheers, > Dave I'm glad Dave's OK, I was wondering myself.
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Bev - 04 Mar 2004 18:45 GMT > > I sent Dave Yehudah an e-mail, telling him that we miss him and hope > > he is all right. His reply is below. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Adrian (Owned by Snoopy, Milo & Bagheera) > A house is not a home, without a cat. I've been wondering how Dave is too. Hope he soon feels better and is able to send us some more of his wonderful stories :)
Purrs from me, and B & C and FSP -- I got rid of my husband. The cat was allergic.
Julie Cook - 04 Mar 2004 18:56 GMT >I sent Dave Yehudah an e-mail, telling him that we miss him and hope he >is all right. His reply is below. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Cheers, >Dave Joy,
Thanks for checking on him for us. I'm sorry he's feeling under the weather and hope that everything gets taken care of quickly and he's back to his own, special self soon. We will light a healing candle for him and the cats send special healing meatloaf meditations.
Julie, Hobbes, Selena and Lacey
Tanada - 04 Mar 2004 22:43 GMT > I sent Dave Yehudah an e-mail, telling him that we miss him and hope he > is all right. His reply is below. Thanks Joy, I've been really worried about both Dave G. and Dave Y. I hope that they both feel up to re-joining us soon.
Pam, Rob, and the NC nine who are pulling for all Daves
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