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Bombay or BSH - help please
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Richard - 01 Mar 2004 21:28 GMT Iwould like to ask if anybody can help me choose a very affectionate pair of kittens. I am not too fussed on breed, but I do like the look of both the British Shorthairs (especially the bi-colours and points). However, my daughter has told me here friend has a Bombay which is exceptionally affectionate. Although I know nothing about cats and especially the exotics, pics I've seen of the Bombay look rather nice. I was told by someone there are 2 breeds of Bombay (?) if so, the one I like is the one that has the stripes and looks like a tiger cub.
I particularly want an affectionate pair. Probably from the same litter. They will be kept mainly indoors, but have a large run in the garden accessed via a cat flap for their convenience and choice.
Anybody any ideas, please?
Denise VanDyke - 01 Mar 2004 21:57 GMT > Iwould like to ask if anybody can help me choose a very affectionate > pair of kittens. I am not too fussed on breed, but I do like the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Anybody any ideas, please? You will likely hear many, varied opinions on this.
Based on my family's experience, calico (tri-color) cats are fairly easy-going and affectionate. However, they sometimes bond exclusively to one person and merely tolarate other family members. My black shorthair is *very* affectionate, but has a somewhat nervous temperment, becomes jealous of anything that takes my attention away from her, and has a fairly high energy level. The energy level is starting to calm down - but it's taken a few years.
I'm told that grey striped tabby cats are among the more calm and affectionate cats. Orange/red/ginger/yellow striped cats are often affectionate, but tend to have a higher energy level than the greys.
YMMV
- Denise (owned and manipulated by Brenna)
Richard - 01 Mar 2004 22:19 GMT >> Iwould like to ask if anybody can help me choose a very affectionate >> pair of kittens. I am not too fussed on breed, but I do like the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >- Denise (owned and manipulated by Brenna) Thanks Denise. Trouble is it means that I am still stuck for choice. I am visiting a breeder tomorrow who has Bombay kittens, available I believe. So I am just being a little nervous. It is a very big choice to make. Like babies (well they are members of the family) they can't be sent back.
Thank you, however, for your help.
Richard
Denise VanDyke - 01 Mar 2004 22:47 GMT >>>Iwould like to ask if anybody can help me choose a very affectionate >>>pair of kittens. I am not too fussed on breed, but I do like the [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Richard Well, just take your time and try to interact with the kittens. As Lyn did, ask the breeders which of the kittens they think might meet your needs best. (They should know which kittens they pluck most often off the curtains, their shoulders, the ficus in the lounge, etc.) Good luck! Let us know who you end up being owned by. If you end up with pictures, please come back and share with us. (Website links are welcome here, and there are many many places that jpegs can be put to share.)
- Denise
LynC - 01 Mar 2004 22:55 GMT > >>>Iwould like to ask if anybody can help me choose a very affectionate > >>>pair of kittens. I am not too fussed on breed, but I do like the [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > - Denise When I went back to that house, I took Bobby only 3 months old in a leash and harness. He entered the doorway, scoped the house and immediately ran under the same corner coffee table he used as a kitten. The people remarked "Now.. I remember him!"
Today's pics:
http://www.auctionrepair.com/pub/0120.jpg
http://www.auctionrepair.com/pub/0121.jpg
Richard - 02 Mar 2004 00:06 GMT <snipped for brevity>
>> Well, just take your time and try to interact with the kittens. As Lyn >> did, ask the breeders which of the kittens they think might meet your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> welcome here, and there are many many places that jpegs can be put to >> share.)
>> - Denise I will try to do that. I have a digital camera, so should be ok.
>When I went back to that house, I took Bobby only 3 months old in a leash >and harness. He entered the doorway, scoped the house and immediately ran [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >http://www.auctionrepair.com/pub/0121.jpg They are georgous!
Steve Touchstone - 02 Mar 2004 03:21 GMT <snip>
>Well, just take your time and try to interact with the kittens. As Lyn >did, ask the breeders which of the kittens they think might meet your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >welcome here, and there are many many places that jpegs can be put to >share.) I don't really have any advice about breeds, since my cats have always been "mutts" that found me rather than the other way around.
I agree with Denise, take your time, play with the kittens and ask the breeders about the different personalities. Cats grow up to have their own unique personality, but the traits are there when they're young. The only cat I chose was Sammy, and that was just picking between Little Bit's babies. I chose her because she was the first one to play, first out of the kitten box, and just seemed to be smarter than her sister and brothers. When I decided she was the kitten I'd keep, part of the reason was that she would start purring whenever she was picked up and I thought that would mean she'd like cuddling. Well, the cuddling part was wrong - she still purrs when picked up, but would rather play than cuddle. BTW, she just turned three.
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Victor Martinez - 01 Mar 2004 22:02 GMT > I particularly want an affectionate pair. Probably from the same You won't find more affectionate purebreds than Tonkinese. However, our moggie brothers Fez and Rufous are also very affectionate. You must take into consideration that all cats are individuals, and personality is not always a sure thing based on the breed.
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Victor Martinez - 01 Mar 2004 22:02 GMT > I particularly want an affectionate pair. Probably from the same You won't find more affectionate purebreds than Tonkinese. However, our moggie brothers Fez and Rufous are also very affectionate. You must take into consideration that all cats are individuals, and personality is not always a sure thing based on the breed.
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Sherry - 03 Mar 2004 13:49 GMT >You won't find more affectionate purebreds than Tonkinese. However, our >moggie brothers Fez and Rufous are also very affectionate. >You must take into consideration that all cats are individuals, and >personality is not always a sure thing based on the breed. I have found this to be so true. It's a hotly debated topic on the other groups. I have a Siamese who is so un-Siamese, and my daughter has two Maine Coons who are polar opposites of each other.
Sherry
LynC - 01 Mar 2004 22:06 GMT > Iwould like to ask if anybody can help me choose a very affectionate > pair of kittens. I am not too fussed on breed, but I do like the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Anybody any ideas, please? I like the look of those British Shorthairs too. I have never heard of a Bombay, but I don't keep up with breeds too much. My advice would be to meet the kittens and if hand-raised, the better. When I got Casey, he really didn't stand out because I was looking at about 30 kittens. I asked the woman who she thought was the best choice for me and she pointed out Casey.
backtracking...
Three months before all this, I went to this same house and there were kittens all over the place. This was back in 1995 and I didn't know squat about cats, breeders, or anything. I wanted one and I wanted a Siamese. I had read Siamese were affectionate and my uncle had 2 of them and I always thought they were pretty. I admit I was influenced by Disney movies too.
I entered the house and there were kittens all over the place. Some were full-Siamese, some full-Himalayans, and there were 'accidental cats.'
Seems the owner had a Siamese and Himalayan breeding business going on and "accidentally" his Siamese and Himmie got together and produced these "mutts." He was almost giving them away because he didn't see any money in it and his house was kittens in every bedroom, the basement, living room, etc. Kittens everywhere. I couldn't imagine how this couple lived everyday. Kittens climbing chairs, sofas, and it was all too much for me.
I was overwhelmed and just flopped on the floor. Kittens crawled over my body like I was catnipped. Then, from under a table comes Bobby.. He looked like a long-haired Siamese. He climbed into my palm and just planted himself. He was 8 weeks old.
I had so many kittens to play with that I never noticed how Bobby just clung to me. I think he wanted out of there. LOL!
After hours mixing with the kittens, Bobby was still there by my side. The people commented how he was so shy and that this was strange behavior for him. He ususally just hid under the corner table. I said I wanted Bobby and took him home that night. Went back three months later for Casey, his half brother. Casey is a full-Himalayan but doesn't have papers or anything. He also is a runt.
One of the best things I have done in my life. I love them both. Now 9 years old.
Richard - 01 Mar 2004 22:37 GMT Thank you, LynC
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>I like the look of those British Shorthairs too. I have never heard of a >Bombay, but I don't keep up with breeds too much. My advice would be to [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >One of the best things I have done in my life. I love them both. Now 9 >years old. jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 02 Mar 2004 01:01 GMT > ...his house was kittens in every bedroom, the basement, living room, > etc. Kittens everywhere. I couldn't imagine how this couple lived > everyday. Kittens climbing chairs, sofas, and it was all too much for > me. I would love to visit such a house - though perhaps not live there. :)
> After hours mixing with the kittens, Bobby was still there by my side. The > people commented how he was so shy and that this was strange behavior for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > One of the best things I have done in my life. I love them both. Now 9 > years old. Great story! They sound like really sweet cats. Do they get along with each other, too?
Joyce
LynC - 02 Mar 2004 01:21 GMT > > ...his house was kittens in every bedroom, the basement, living room, > > etc. Kittens everywhere. I couldn't imagine how this couple lived [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Joyce They do. They groom each other, play fight and sleep together. After 9 years, they still have moments of acting like kittens and they always end up together either on the bed or sofa caressing and licking heads, ears, necks and when it becomes nasty is if Bobby starts attacking hide feet and belly areas. Then, we have a hissing moment.
Takayuki - 02 Mar 2004 08:51 GMT >They do. They groom each other, play fight and sleep together. After 9 >years, they still have moments of acting like kittens and they always end up >together either on the bed or sofa caressing and licking heads, ears, necks >and when it becomes nasty is if Bobby starts attacking hide feet and belly >areas. Then, we have a hissing moment. Hey, welcome back! It must have been over a year since I last saw you here. You seem... calmer. I'm glad. :)
Brian Tucker - 02 Mar 2004 06:56 GMT My girls are pretty affectionate with me but that's about it. Tho Sonscere' will greet first timers and check them out. People that come by on regular basis she flops over and has that look lke, ok lay it on me. Sis, however is sweetest girl but shy, every time someone comes in she runs and hides, then after a few she will come out and go over to the company and sniff feet and hands and then come right to me and give me lots of kitty hugs as if to say, I am his and his alone and only he can touch me. My housekeeper comes in twice a week, been coming for 6 months or so and just this last week will she let hertouch her without her runnig away. Soetimes she gets that awful look on her face, like ok touch me if you are going to and let's get it overwith. lol
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Sherry - 03 Mar 2004 13:54 GMT >Seems the owner had a Siamese and Himalayan breeding business going on and >"accidentally" his Siamese and Himmie got together and produced these >"mutts." He was almost giving them away because he didn't see any money in >it and his house was kittens in every bedroom, the basement, living room, >etc. Kittens everywhere. I couldn't imagine how this couple lived >everyday. Kittens climbing chairs, sofas, and it was all too much for me. Ack, ack,ack. Sit on your hands, Sherry. I have a really hard time reading this. The history I have with kitten mills is trying to jump out. But I wanted to say, your acquision of your Bobby sounds like where Frank comes from. But the longhairs running around were a genetic throwback that some of the Siamese had, that produces Balinese. They look a lot like Himmies. Anyway, Frank ran from me and had to be chased down. (we were seizing all the kittens, but this was a different situation, it was very dirty and nasty conditions there). Anyway, to this *day* Frank runs from people. He's 7 now. I'm just more convinced all the time that those little personalities are formed when they are little kittens. Your Bobby sounds like a sweetie. Sherry
CATherine - 02 Mar 2004 01:08 GMT >Iwould like to ask if anybody can help me choose a very affectionate >pair of kittens. I am not too fussed on breed, but I do like the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Anybody any ideas, please? My cat book says about Bombays, "This charming cat is contented in am apartment. It is a good companion, quiet, sensitive, affectionate,reserved, intelligent and soft-voiced; but it can also be impish and sometimes silly. It hates loud noises."The book also says British Shorthairs are quiet, gentle and affectionate and known for being brave and able to take care of themselves.
CATherine
m. L. Briggs - 02 Mar 2004 06:16 GMT >Iwould like to ask if anybody can help me choose a very affectionate >pair of kittens. I am not too fussed on breed, but I do like the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Anybody any ideas, please? Have you checked any shelters to see if you can find what you want?
Richard - 02 Mar 2004 12:34 GMT >>Iwould like to ask if anybody can help me choose a very affectionate >>pair of kittens. I am not too fussed on breed, but I do like the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >Have you checked any shelters to see if you can find what you want? I have in the past and yes, we have had some very nice cats, not kittens. When I visited they didn't have any kittens. However, since losing Fluffy (an old feral farm cat), I have decided to treat myself and my daughter to something alittle more special. Fluffy was only affectionate on his terms. He would follow me around, but hated handling, never liked staying on anybody's lap. He would start growling if you tried to restrain him. He would then promptly jumpt down and curl up close by. No hard feelings, but he had shown he hated being cuddled.
So maybe I ought try the local shelters.
Meanwhile I have arranged to visit a breeder with Bengals today. I will report back this evening. I am not going prepared to take them away - I had (stupidly) sold/given away my cat box, in fact everything! I will need litter trays, scoops, etc, etc all over again.
Richard
Karen Chuplis - 02 Mar 2004 12:51 GMT >>> Iwould like to ask if anybody can help me choose a very affectionate >>> pair of kittens. I am not too fussed on breed, but I do like the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Richard Well just remember, with kittens, just know you cannot tell if they will like cuddling when older no matter what. They have their own personalities for sure! As usual, I must mention that whatever you do, get two. I'm firmly of that opinion and have never had reason to doubt two are better than one. Kitten season is around the corner and shelters will have plenty soon. Consider asking to be on a shelter notification list. There are SO many options.
Karen
Steve G - 02 Mar 2004 21:42 GMT (...)
> Well just remember, with kittens, just know you cannot tell if they will > like cuddling when older no matter what. They have their own personalities > for sure! One approach - If you visit a breeder, check out the parents of your possible kitten. If the parents are (both) the sort of cat you'd like, then you have reasonable odds with their sproglet.
One of my cats is an Aby and when I visited the breeder I didn't socialise with him much - I couldn't as such, given that all he wanted to do was leap in the air and kill fluffy toys. However, I did spend some time with his folks. This gave me some idea about what the young 'un might turn into (yes, an older 'un).
> As usual, I must mention that whatever you do, get two. I'm firmly > of that opinion and have never had reason to doubt two are better than one. > Kitten season is around the corner and shelters will have plenty soon. > Consider asking to be on a shelter notification list. There are SO many > options. Could do one breed, one moggy. A reasonable compromise?
Steve.
Karen - 02 Mar 2004 22:29 GMT > (...) > > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Steve. I know several folks that have gone that route.
Karen
Victor Martinez - 02 Mar 2004 13:05 GMT > Meanwhile I have arranged to visit a breeder with Bengals today. I Bengals are not known for being cuddling cats. We have two, Luna and Maya. Luna is more of a lap fungus, but Maya likes to be near you, not on you. Neither likes to be held.
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Richard - 03 Mar 2004 17:58 GMT >Meanwhile I have arranged to visit a breeder with Bengals today. I >will report back this evening. I am not going prepared to take them [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Richard I promised to report back on my visit to a breeder yesterday. Well I didn't have time last night, so here goes:
Maybe I am too fussy, but I was not impressed. There dozens of cat sheds or enclosures. The breeder did not have any kittens ready, but they bred from (it seems) doazens of queens. They also bred dogs, four breeds, rabbits and hamsters!
I must say the boys were very friendly, calling for attention and purring madly if I stroked them.
I have had an Email from another breed who has 4 kittens almost ready. 2 are reserved/booked, but theother two are possibles. They are BSH tabbies (I think). As all kittens they look adorable in the jpegs she has sent me.
I have called the local shelter, no kittens at present and in fact very few cats, either. They always do a home visit before placement - I like that. May visit them tomorrow.
It seems it is not the kitten season. I am not impatient. I will take my time and choose carefully.
Thanks to all who were so kind to reply and offer me their advice. All taken on board.
There is no doubt that when you enter the cat world, you enter something very wonderful. Is there any creature as endearing?
Richard
Hopitus2 - 03 Mar 2004 21:36 GMT It will be "kitten season" in about a month. Every year we reflect sorrowfully upon and purr for the throngs of unwanted kittens who don't find forever homes but live the short, deprived, miserable lives none of us would ever want for our short furry people. That's why (weather not a factor here in south FL at all) spring has always been my *least* favorite season. bar none. I always believed nature made spring the birthing season so that the majority of kittens would not have to make it through killer winters in areas where the cold kills mammals.
: >Meanwhile I have arranged to visit a breeder with Bengals today. I : >will report back this evening. I am not going prepared to take them [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] : : Richard
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