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Singer709 - 31 Jan 2004 20:31 GMT
My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
city and cats get run over all the time.

Anyway I now have a private patio w. high fence, so he can go out
there to play unsupervised.

He immediately runs for the grass and chomps up a lot, always puking
afterward. He's otherwise in excellent health and rarely throws up
hairballs. He's fed good quality premium food and has a great
appetite.

My questions --

1-- Why do cats always go for the grass and then puke?
2-- Is there some commercially available growth plant (at PetCo) I can
get for RJ to eat?
3-- What's to keep him from puking that up also?

Thanks.
Jo Firey - 31 Jan 2004 20:46 GMT
I'm pretty sure puking is the whole point of eating the grass in the first
place.  Remember cats do not find that as disgusting as we do.

Jo
> My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
> survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
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>
> Thanks.
Nik Simpson - 31 Jan 2004 20:47 GMT
> My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
> survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
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>
> 1-- Why do cats always go for the grass and then puke?

I beleive it's related to digestion, its certainly very commn, both the
eating and the puking.

> 2-- Is there some commercially available growth plant (at PetCo) I can
> get for RJ to eat?

Try a Google search of cat+greens, lots of choices.

> 3-- What's to keep him from puking that up also?

Location, location, location. You'll find that as a rule, a cat will never
throw up in an area where cleanup is simple. In a house that's 90% cheap
ceramic tile and 10% expensive carpet, the cat will throw up 90% of the time
on the expensive carpet. So keep the source of cat greens well away from
anything you don't want him to throw up on, at least that way the furry
b*st*rd will get some exersize before he throws up ;-)

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Hopitus2 - 31 Jan 2004 21:08 GMT
ROFL @ Simpson's post.....
AFA chewing/barfing grass, I've always considered that one of the mysteries
of life. Once in awhile, I'll put the Evil 3 in a largeish d-pet cage, with
the bottom taken out, outside in front yard lawn while I sit on porch to
watch them. What a grass-feeding frenzy goes on then. They may or may not
barf, but seem happy to sniff and wallow in the thick grass.
I'm concerned re that wall on your patio. How high? What is it made of?
A work pal in Bay Area, CA found out that his half-grown Abby, Larry,
climbed up and over a 20 foot (!) brick wall, vine-covered, separating his
back patio from a busy freeway behind his house. Larry had no front claws.
Cats are smarter than we like to think.

: > My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
: > survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
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: anything you don't want him to throw up on, at least that way the furry
: b*st*rd will get some exersize before he throws up ;-)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 01 Feb 2004 06:32 GMT
> ROFL @ Simpson's post.....
> AFA chewing/barfing grass, I've always considered that one of the mysteries
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> back patio from a busy freeway behind his house. Larry had no front claws.
> Cats are smarter than we like to think.

And almost always more stubbornly determined than we are!

> : > My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
> : > survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
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> : --
> : Nik Simpson
jmcquown - 01 Feb 2004 12:58 GMT
> ROFL @ Simpson's post.....
> AFA chewing/barfing grass, I've always considered that one of the
> mysteries of life. Once in awhile, I'll put the Evil 3 in a largeish
> d-pet cage

Check out Drs. Foster & Smith Kitty walk systems.  I have one for Persia and
you can absolutely stake it to a lawn, or, like me, set it on a patio.

> I'm concerned re that wall on your patio. How high? What is it made
> of?

Yeah, just because she's declawed doesn't mean she doesn't know how to
climb/jump.  Never, ever, leave the cat unsupervised.

Jill
> A work pal in Bay Area, CA found out that his half-grown Abby, Larry,
> climbed up and over a 20 foot (!) brick wall, vine-covered,
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>> --
>> Nik Simpson
JP Hobbs - 01 Feb 2004 23:08 GMT
My cat Wilson plays on my veranda most of the day and now the weather
is warm I leave the door open for him till 9 or 10 at night, he sits
on the wall a lot, watching life go by but on no account will he jump to
the other side, its about 7 foot high, but my last boyo, used it as his own
personal entrance,itdepends whether they want to go out or not
Wilson doesn't.   Jean P.

> ROFL @ Simpson's post.....
> AFA chewing/barfing grass, I've always considered that one of the mysteries
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> : --
> : Nik Simpson
Ted Davis - 01 Feb 2004 01:28 GMT
>My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
>survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
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>
>1-- Why do cats always go for the grass and then puke?
If they have access to coarse grass all the time, they eat small
amounts frequently and throw up less often.  If they are successful
hunters, they get much of their vegetable matter from the last meals
of the mice they eat and so eat less grass.

>2-- Is there some commercially available growth plant (at PetCo) I can
>get for RJ to eat?
Most coarse grasses/grains will do: wheat, oats, and very young corn
shoots are popular with cats.  You can make corn sprouts from popcorn
and wet paper towels in a glass or jar - feed to the cat when about
4-6 inches long.
>3-- What's to keep him from puking that up also?
Nothing - cats puke.  Get used to it.  Frequent through grooming will
help.

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Steve Touchstone - 01 Feb 2004 05:03 GMT
>My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
>survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
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>
>1-- Why do cats always go for the grass and then puke?
To drive the slaves crazy
>2-- Is there some commercially available growth plant (at PetCo) I can
>get for RJ to eat?
Probably
>3-- What's to keep him from puking that up also?
Nothing

OK, the above replies are meant as a joke.  We don't have PetCo here,
but they sell cat grass that you can grow in our local rinky-dink pet
stores. What we have here come small styrofoam containers. I tried
them, but found that Sammy tried to eat the container instead of the
grass.

My three all eat grass when they're out, and they all puke shortly
afterwards. I just go with the flow and let them do it. As long as I
make sure they having been grazing within 5 minutes or so the carpet
is safe.

BTW of our grass here they all seem to prefer fescue to bermuda.
Actually, I seem to remember that the store bought grass is a
rye/wheat mix.
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Dee - 01 Feb 2004 16:12 GMT
I have two indoor cats.  My one cat loves grass and green things - she will
often beg me for pieces of lettuce from my salad.  She likes only the dark
green leaves.  

From the insistence with which she begs me for grass and lettuce, I am
fairly certain it is the vitamins, minerals, fiber, chlorophyll, etc. that
she really wants.  

I have found that if I tear the grass or lettuce into small pieces, she
does not puke afterwards.  But if the blades of grass are too big, she
pukes.  But only grass comes up - no hair.

A fiber supplement may be useful in reducing the desire for grass and the
subsequent puking/hairballs.  One supplement that I feed my cats is called
The Missing Link Feline Formula.  It contains flax seed and rice bran,
dried beef liver, alfalfa, etc. which provides fiber plus plant nutrients
and essential fatty acids.  I mix this into their food (either their usual
raw chicken or a can of cat food).  

Dee
Fat Freddy - 01 Feb 2004 22:25 GMT
In the summer we mulch our garden with wheat straw. During the winter,
we leave the mulch to decompose for tilling into the soil at
springtime. The wheat seeds contained in the straw sprout and we have a
pretty good winter crop of wheat grass. The cats graze on this fresh
wheat grass like cows. They seem to enjoy it and it never makes them
sick.
polonca12000 - 02 Feb 2004 08:15 GMT
The same is true for Soncek.
Best wishes,
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> I have two indoor cats.  My one cat loves grass and green things - she will
> often beg me for pieces of lettuce from my salad.  She likes only the dark
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> I have found that if I tear the grass or lettuce into small pieces, she
> does not puke afterwards.  <snip
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 01 Feb 2004 06:30 GMT
> My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
> survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> 1-- Why do cats always go for the grass and then puke?

Because they need an emetic?

> 2-- Is there some commercially available growth plant (at PetCo) I can
> get for RJ to eat?

Yes, most of them sell little pots of grass for indoor cats (although
you can grow your own from scratch easily enough - I think rye grass is
the favored one).

> 3-- What's to keep him from puking that up also?

Nothing, that's the purpose for eating the stuff (it is for dogs, too).
They usually don't keep it in their stomachs for long - just make sure
he's still outdoors or in an easily cleanable area until he's gotten rid
of it, again.
Singer709 - 01 Feb 2004 15:36 GMT
> > My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
> > survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
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> he's still outdoors or in an easily cleanable area until he's gotten rid
> of it, again.

Thanks to all the advice and news from everyone.

1-- The fence is 8 feet and is smooth redwood. RJ cannot find any hold
as he has no front claws. There are no vines or any other paw-holds
either. But of course I keep my eye on him.

2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will create
the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so he can't go
wrong (or right -- ha ha) -- any place is the same as another (grin)
and he just goes on the floor.

3-- He is well groomed and brushed, and he rarely has hairballs as a
result -- but being a near-longhair it's expected. Here's RJ's pic for
those who haven't seen him. He's a big boy at 18+ pounds:

http://www.waas.us/images/cats/rj-4.jpg

4-- I don't mind cleaning up after him, as I love him and cleaning up
after is part of cat ownership -- I just don't want him unhappy or his
tummy unduly upset. I cannot understand why a cat will eat grass that
makes it puke after. It doesn't seem to be a positive evolutionary
move. It seems counterproductive. But cats still seek out that grass
-- as soon as I let RJ out, he goes for the small blades of grass.
Then it's upchuck time. I don't object to the cleaning up as much as I
wonder/worry about the whole process.

5-- If I buy a natural grass container at the pet supply shop, won't
he still eat & puke? In other words, is the eating of grass causing
the puking, or is it the type of grass, being free-growing and maybe
not the ideal variety? Will a store-bought pet-friendly variety be any
better? What's your experience?

Thanks again!
jmcquown - 01 Feb 2004 15:43 GMT
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
(snip)

> tummy unduly upset. I cannot understand why a cat will eat grass that
> makes it puke after.

Perhaps you don't understand the word "emetic".  It makes you puke.  It's
natural for a cat to do this.  Dogs, too.  Sort of cleans out the system, I
gather.

Think of it this way.  When I was 19 I went out with a friend and had WAAAY
too much to drink.  I felt like crap the next morning.  My mom gave me a
glass of Alka-Seltzer.  Said, "Here, this will make you feel better."  I
drank it down, and 5 minutes later was hurling.  I asked, "Why on earth did
you give that to me?"  She smiled and said, "You feel better now, don't
you?"  As a matter of fact, I did!  ROFL

Jill

It doesn't seem to be a positive evolutionary
> move. It seems counterproductive. But cats still seek out that grass
> -- as soon as I let RJ out, he goes for the small blades of grass.
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>
> Thanks again!
Karen Chuplis - 01 Feb 2004 16:06 GMT
>>> My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
>>> survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>
> Thanks again!

My cats have only occassionally thrown up the wheat grass I have bought at
the store, where as lawn grass always made my cats throw up. It's kind of a
compulsion. One time, Grant was having hairballs that wouldn't come up and
he was frantically trying to eat fake grass that I had around a fake flower
arrangement. I felt so bad for him. It really does seem to be a natural
instinct to help get furballs out, whether they have them or not.

Karen
Nik Simpson - 01 Feb 2004 16:08 GMT
> 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will create
> the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so he can't go
> wrong (or right -- ha ha) -- any place is the same as another (grin)
> and he just goes on the floor.

What makes you think he'll restrict himself to throwing up on the floor? You
have beds, chairs, piles of clean clothing... The list of potential targets
is endless ;-)

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jmcquown - 01 Feb 2004 18:42 GMT
>> 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will create
>> the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so he can't go
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> floor? You have beds, chairs, piles of clean clothing... The list of
> potential targets is endless ;-)

And I personally cannot fathom and "all tile" apartment.

Jill
Steve Touchstone - 01 Feb 2004 21:16 GMT
>>> 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will create
>>> the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so he can't go
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Jill

Well, I can think of a couple pluses. For the landlord, the savings on
carpet cleaning, as well as possible replacement for those tenants who
leave stains all over. Also, would be good for those with bad
allergies, as it would be easier to keep clean. Of course on the
negative side, depending on the climate and type of heating, it may
leave you with cold feet.
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Singer709 - 02 Feb 2004 17:37 GMT
> >>> 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will create
> >>> the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so he can't go
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> negative side, depending on the climate and type of heating, it may
> leave you with cold feet.

I live in Houston. A tile floor is not a problem. I actually prefer
carpet and will soon have some area rugs. Then RJ will have new
targets.
John Biltz - 01 Feb 2004 22:03 GMT
>>> 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will create
>>> the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so he can't go
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> And I personally cannot fathom and "all tile" apartment.

If I had to do it over I would have went all tile except the bedroom.  If
you live in a hot climate tile is the way to go.  Carpet is good for
warmth.  In Las Vegas heat is the enemy not a goal.  Tile is cool in the
summer.  The cats are always asleep on my tile in the summer.  The only
time they will sleep on the floor.  When it is time to replace the living
room carpet I am going tile.
Hopitus2 - 02 Feb 2004 00:38 GMT
Memphis is not in the tropics, like we are here in south FL. By the same
token, I saw *no* tile floors, except in fast food joints, in Denver.
Hopitus Habitat is all tiled floors, cool and easy to clean up cat and other
accidents. Cold is so rare here that their good points far outweigh chilly
toes thereon. Biggest drawback, IMHO, is that when phone rings, if either
you *or* tile floors are wet, serious injury risked if you hustle across
them.

: >>> 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will create
: >>> the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so he can't go
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: time they will sleep on the floor.  When it is time to replace the living
: room carpet I am going tile.
jmcquown - 02 Feb 2004 06:50 GMT
> Memphis is not in the tropics, like we are here in south FL.
> Biggest drawback, IMHO, is
> that when phone rings, if either you *or* tile floors are wet,
> serious injury risked if you hustle across them.

Indeed!  I'm *always* in the bathtub when the phone rings!  Have yet to
train Persia to answer the phone and say "Hang on, she's putting a towel
on."  ;)

Jill

>>>>> 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will
>>>>> create the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>> tile in the summer.  The only time they will sleep on the floor.
>> When it is time to replace the living room carpet I am going tile.
badwilson - 02 Feb 2004 03:06 GMT
> > And I personally cannot fathom and "all tile" apartment.
>
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> time they will sleep on the floor.  When it is time to replace the living
> room carpet I am going tile.

Even in a cold climate tile is good.  We had it in our condo in Vancouver,
BC, Canada.  In condos it's no problem with the cold because your floor is
pretty much heated from the unit below you.  In houses you can install heat
coils under the tiles, which let you regulate the heat and make your floor
cozy warm.
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Marina - 02 Feb 2004 03:56 GMT
> Even in a cold climate tile is good.  We had it in our condo in Vancouver,
> BC, Canada.  In condos it's no problem with the cold because your floor is
> pretty much heated from the unit below you.  In houses you can install heat
> coils under the tiles, which let you regulate the heat and make your floor
> cozy warm.

Carpet is very rare in Finland, except in hotels. We usually have wooden
floors in the older buildings, and in newer ones linoleum or parquet. Tile
in bathrooms. My family lived in a semi-detached house in the 70s-80s, and
it had carpet in the master bedroom, but that is the only home where I've
ever seen carpet in a Finnish house. Many a time, my mother cursed the
person who ever invented carpet when she was cleaning that room.

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lewe - 02 Feb 2004 18:17 GMT
> Carpet is very rare in Finland, except in hotels. We usually have wooden
> floors in the older buildings, and in newer ones linoleum or parquet. Tile
> in bathrooms. My family lived in a semi-detached house in the 70s-80s, and
> it had carpet in the master bedroom, but that is the only home where I've
> ever seen carpet in a Finnish house. Many a time, my mother cursed the
> person who ever invented carpet when she was cleaning that room.

Oh - very 80ish!
For a few years back then people were putting in a lot of wall-to-wall
carpeting here in Sweden , but it didn't take long before they were ripped
out again. Here too you now mostly find it in hotels.
I shudder just to think about it ... wood, parquet, tiles or even linoleum,
is ever so much nicer.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 03 Feb 2004 03:26 GMT
> > Carpet is very rare in Finland, except in hotels. We usually have wooden
> > floors in the older buildings, and in newer ones linoleum or parquet. Tile
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> I shudder just to think about it ... wood, parquet, tiles or even linoleum,
> is ever so much nicer.

Nicer, I agree - I have never understood our American insistence on
wall-to-wall carpeting.  A nice area rug or two, with surrounding bare
floor (and a dust mop) is much, MUCH easier - especially when you have
furry critters as members of your household.  However, carpet IS warmer
underfoot than wood, tile or linoleum - I'm surprised that you folks in
Northern countries don't prefer it for that reason.
Marina - 03 Feb 2004 04:42 GMT
> Nicer, I agree - I have never understood our American insistence on
> wall-to-wall carpeting.  A nice area rug or two, with surrounding bare
> floor (and a dust mop) is much, MUCH easier - especially when you have
> furry critters as members of your household.  However, carpet IS warmer
> underfoot than wood, tile or linoleum - I'm surprised that you folks in
> Northern countries don't prefer it for that reason.

I just wear slippers inside. Besides, like someone mentioned, in a flat the
floor is never really cold, since it is warmed by the surrounding flats. The
floor is pleasantly cool. I really wear the slippers because you never know
when or where there will be something squishy underfoot. ;o)

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Fat Freddy - 03 Feb 2004 15:22 GMT
> ... I have never understood our American insistence on
> wall-to-wall carpeting.  A nice area rug or two, with surrounding bare
> floor (and a dust mop) is much, MUCH easier - especially when you have
> furry critters as members of your household.  However, carpet IS warmer
> underfoot than wood, tile or linoleum - I'm surprised that you folks in
> Northern countries don't prefer it for that reason.

Carpet became popular in new house construction in the 60's because
it's much cheaper than wood flooring. Not only is the material itself
inexpensive, it can be installed quickly with unskilled labor, wheras
inistalling and finishing wood flooring is very labor intensive and
requires a high degree of skill.

The public was resistant to it at first, but agressive TV marketing
soon brainwashed them into thinking it was desirable.

Now, after several decades of living with carpet and realizing that it
is a truly inferior floor surface with many disadvantages of not only
maintenance and utility, but more seriously health and hygiene, new
house construction is again featuring hardwood floors.

The problem of high installation cost has been overcome by pre-finished
manufactured flooring which requires no skill or experience to install.
John Biltz - 03 Feb 2004 19:44 GMT
I never cared for wood floors.  No reason but I just don't like them and
it always seemed odd that everyone wants them and then covers them with
rugs.  Moving to the SW I have gained a real appreciation for tiles.  
Tiles too have went through a real technical overhaul with an amazing
variety of looks and materials.  Not very difficult for someone to do on
their own as well.

>> ... I have never understood our American insistence on
>> wall-to-wall carpeting.  A nice area rug or two, with surrounding bare
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> The problem of high installation cost has been overcome by pre-finished
> manufactured flooring which requires no skill or experience to install.
Sherry - 03 Feb 2004 23:40 GMT
>Now, after several decades of living with carpet and realizing that it
>is a truly inferior floor surface with many disadvantages of not only
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>The problem of high installation cost has been overcome by pre-finished
>manufactured flooring which requires no skill or experience to install.

Carpet really is nasty, when you think about it.
We have a rental house, probably built in 1930 or so. We replaced the carpet
last year, and when the carpetlayers came and pulled up the old stuff, they
uncovered the most beautiful floor I've ever seen. Don't see how anyone thought
they could improve on that!
Wood floors are a little higher maintenance, but at least you *know* it's
clean.  I wish we had wood floors.

Sherry
Karen Chuplis - 04 Feb 2004 00:56 GMT
>> Now, after several decades of living with carpet and realizing that it
>> is a truly inferior floor surface with many disadvantages of not only
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>
> Sherry

Same here. There is just something very "clean" feeling about them. You can
still make them cozy with throw rugs and I just love that look. Ah well.

Karen
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 04 Feb 2004 04:22 GMT
> >Now, after several decades of living with carpet and realizing that it
> >is a truly inferior floor surface with many disadvantages of not only
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> Wood floors are a little higher maintenance, but at least you *know* it's
> clean.  I wish we had wood floors.

I wouldn't even insist upon wood - tile or even linoleum would suit me
just fine (especially when both can be obtained in a wood-grain pattern
- I've seen some tile you'd have to really examine to be sure it wasn't
parquet).

> Sherry
Sherry - 05 Feb 2004 01:17 GMT
>I wouldn't even insist upon wood - tile or even linoleum would suit me
>just fine (especially when both can be obtained in a wood-grain pattern
>- I've seen some tile you'd have to really examine to be sure it wasn't
>parquet).

I think so too. Our last house had a fake-wood-floor vinyl flooring  that
really looked "real". People would even remark about it. It was in the
kitchen//dining only though.   Easier than wood floors to clean, even.
While we're on the subject:
What do you get when you throw a bomb in a kitchen in France?
Lineoleum Blownapart.
(I just got that off Laffy Taffy wrapper today)

Sherry
Cathi - 02 Feb 2004 19:09 GMT
I used to work for a flooring manufacturer  (vinyl flooring, not lino -
there is a difference) and one of the "selling points" that the reps
used was the "cleanability" of smooth flooring.  Basically it doesn't
hold dust and hair like carpets do.  I desperately want wood laminate in
our lounge for that very reason.
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Takayuki - 02 Feb 2004 05:53 GMT
>Even in a cold climate tile is good.  We had it in our condo in Vancouver,
>BC, Canada.  In condos it's no problem with the cold because your floor is
>pretty much heated from the unit below you.  In houses you can install heat
>coils under the tiles, which let you regulate the heat and make your floor
>cozy warm.

This reminds me of the first time I encountered a heated floor.  I was
on a short trip to Korea, and I was put up in a traditional Korean
room, which was something that I hadn't experienced before.

The first thing I noticed about the room was that it seemed very
sparse.  Zen-like.  There were some tables that were very low, and
some flat square cushions to sit on.

Now, one peculiar thing about me is that I'm unaccustomed to sitting
on floors, and I can't really get comfortable doing it.  So I just
stood around the room for a while and paced back and forth.

Soon, I noticed that the floor seemed to be unusually warm.  In fact,
it was very warm!  I found out later that it is traditional in Korea
to have heated floors, but at that point, all I knew was that my feet
were getting warm, and I didn't like it!  The whole floor was warm, so
I couldn't avoid it.

Since I couldn't sit on the floor, and it was getting uncomfortable to
stand on the floor, I took one of the cushions and stood on top of it.

The next day, I told the concierge that I did not enjoy my first night
at their hotel as much as I perhaps should have, and had them change
my room. :)
badwilson - 02 Feb 2004 03:04 GMT
> >> 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will create
> >> the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so he can't go
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>
> And I personally cannot fathom and "all tile" apartment.

What?  No?  That's strange.  Our condo in Vancouver was all tile.  Mind you,
we did it ourselves.  Ripped up the brand new carpet it came with before
even moving in.  My parents house in Victoria is all tile too, it's all I've
ever grown up with.  Way better than carpet which is a breeding ground for
germs and it also catches all sorts of pesticides which you track in from
outside.  Yuck.  I couldn't bear living in a house or apartment if it had
any carpet in it.
--
Britta
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Jo Firey - 02 Feb 2004 07:17 GMT
> > >> 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will create
> > >> the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so he can't go
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> --
> Britta

Those of you who don't like carpet are making me miss my friend and sometime
housekeeper.

Brigitte is very German.  Never minded having her clean my house even though
we were also friends because she enjoyed it.  Her house never got dirty
enough to make cleaning it all that satisfying.  We did have a problem when
she tried to scrub the pattern off the new linoleum though.

Jo
jmcquown - 02 Feb 2004 17:25 GMT
>>>> 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will
>>>> create the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so
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> pesticides which you track in from outside.  Yuck.  I couldn't bear
> living in a house or apartment if it had any carpet in it.

When I lived in Bangkok the floors were teak or slate (in the kitchen and
tile in the bathrooms; I suppose I did get used to that.  But it was a long
time ago.  Here in the States I've never lived anywhere that didn't have
carpet except in the kitchen and bathrooms.  I guess it's all in what you
get used to.  Of course, in SE Asia it doesn't get very cold, either :)

Jill
badwilson - 03 Feb 2004 02:50 GMT
> >>>> 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will
> >>>> create the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so
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> carpet except in the kitchen and bathrooms.  I guess it's all in what you
> get used to.  Of course, in SE Asia it doesn't get very cold, either :)

Yes, our house here has wood floors.  I like them, but prefer tiles even
more.  In Thailand, carpet is definitely out because it would get mouldy in
one rainy season!  And I shudder to think at the ant invasion if you ever
dropped as much as one crumb of food on the carpet and didn't realize it.
--
Britta
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 02 Feb 2004 07:12 GMT
> > 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will create
> > the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so he can't go
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> have beds, chairs, piles of clean clothing... The list of potential targets
> is endless ;-)

LOL!  (Nothing will bring me out of a sound sleep faster than that
familiar hawking noise originating beside me in my bed!)

> --
> Nik Simpson
Seanette Blaylock - 02 Feb 2004 07:45 GMT
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsopnospam@earthlink.net> had some
very interesting things to say about Re: Cat eating grass -- need help
please:

>LOL!  (Nothing will bring me out of a sound sleep faster than that
>familiar hawking noise originating beside me in my bed!)

Reminds me of the time I was awakened by those unmistakable sounds,
from the headboard of our bed. Felix was up there, in the "Snoopy
playing vulture" pose, about to unload onto DH's sleeping face.

I'd never seen DH levitate before. :-) [He did get the cat out to
vinyl floor in time, much to the cat's disgust. :-)]
Signature

"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be
doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding.

:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL
Stacey - 06 Feb 2004 21:36 GMT
> > 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will create
> > the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so he can't go
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> have beds, chairs, piles of clean clothing... The list of potential targets
> is endless ;-)

Nancy's favorite is to sit on top of the $800 television and puke into the
holes in the back <sigh>.

Stacey ;)
Sherry - 06 Feb 2004 22:23 GMT
>Nancy's favorite is to sit on top of the $800 television and puke into the
>holes in the back <sigh>.
>
>Stacey ;)

Wow. And I thought Frank was picky. He likes to wait till we've gone to bed,
and ceremoniously hark up hairballs sitting on the cedar chest at the foot of
the bed.

Sherry
Ted Davis - 07 Feb 2004 03:47 GMT
>> > 2-- Yes cats do seem to find the exact place to puke that will create
>> > the most havoc. Our new apt. however is all tile floor so he can't go
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Nancy's favorite is to sit on top of the $800 television and puke into the
>holes in the back <sigh>.

Millie sat on top of the satellite receiver and calmly puked into the
vent holes on top ... it promptly died.  Fortunately, i have the
skills, tools, and materials to recover from things like that.  I got
it working again, and built a shelf set that holds the electronics
with no clearance for cats between the boxes and the shelf above.

T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body)
Hopitus2 - 02 Feb 2004 00:12 GMT
RJ is a gorgeous boy! Glad to hear you keep your eye on his outback
adventures, fence included. Didn't mention before, but about a year ago I
paid about $5 for a pot of "cat-grass" at Petsmart....none of the Evil 3
would go near it. I even cut off blades and put it in with their food in
bowls....they ate food and left grass blades untouched.

: > > My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
: > > survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
:
: Thanks again!
m. L. Briggs - 02 Feb 2004 00:52 GMT
>RJ is a gorgeous boy! Glad to hear you keep your eye on his outback
>adventures, fence included. Didn't mention before, but about a year ago I
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>:
>: Thanks again!

I have tried to grow cat grass indoors many times.  It grows but
doesn't last.  In the summer, if I plant it outside on the enclosed
patio, it grows nicely.  I have had the indoor stuff mildew.
CATherine - 02 Feb 2004 03:19 GMT
>>RJ is a gorgeous boy! Glad to hear you keep your eye on his outback
>>adventures, fence included. Didn't mention before, but about a year ago I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>doesn't last.  In the summer, if I plant it outside on the enclosed
>patio, it grows nicely.  I have had the indoor stuff mildew.

Water it only when it gets dry and don't let the pot sit in a pan of
water to get water-logged. Give it plenty of sun and cool air;  in
other words, away from the heater. Right up against a cold winter
window is good. Rotate the pot every day.

CATherine
CATherine - 02 Feb 2004 03:19 GMT
>RJ is a gorgeous boy! Glad to hear you keep your eye on his outback
>adventures, fence included. Didn't mention before, but about a year ago I
>paid about $5 for a pot of "cat-grass" at Petsmart....none of the Evil 3
>would go near it. I even cut off blades and put it in with their food in
>bowls....they ate food and left grass blades untouched.

My cats wouldn't eat the store grass other than a nibble to taste it.
So i dug up a clump of yard grass i had seen them eating on and put it
in a large flowerpot and grew it all winter. I had to bend a
coathanger over it to keep them from laying in it. they really loved
it.

CATherine
badwilson - 02 Feb 2004 03:01 GMT
> 5-- If I buy a natural grass container at the pet supply shop, won't
> he still eat & puke? In other words, is the eating of grass causing
> the puking, or is it the type of grass, being free-growing and maybe
> not the ideal variety? Will a store-bought pet-friendly variety be any
> better? What's your experience?

Vino seems to puke up outside grass too, but he rarely pukes from the inside
grass.  I think it's not because it's different grass though, I think it's
because when he's outside he snarfs it down too fast and eats much more of
it.  When he's eating his indoor grass, he just nibbles on a blade or two,
probably not enough to induce puking.
--
Britta
Check out pictures of Vino at:
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CATherine - 02 Feb 2004 03:19 GMT
>Thanks to all the advice and news from everyone.
>
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>
>Thanks again!

I read years ago that most grasses have silicon in the blades. Silicon
is very hard to digest which is why many grass-eaters are ruminants.
But when a cat eats the grass,  the stomach acids can extract some of
the other nutrients before the blade is ejected. Many cats like to
nibble houseplants looking for green nutrients. My miniature roses are
regularly pruned by cat teeth! And it may be that the silicon in the
grass helps to clean the teeth as they chew. Maybe it even freshens
the breath. Don't you just love the smell of fresh-cut grass?

CATherine
Bobcat - 01 Feb 2004 16:00 GMT
> My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
> survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Thanks.

Re the regurgitating of grass, I found among our cats that some never do,
and others almost always do.

There's quite a bit of web info on cats eating grass. Here's an example -
with a warning. It's a product plug for a commercial grass you grow for your
cats at home. However there's info in it that sounds reasonable, and it's
echoed by other, non-commercial websites.
_________

"Cats need greens to provide vitamins (folic acid), aid their digestion,
assist in removing fur balls and increase roughage in their diet. Eating
grass is a natural craving for cats. Healthy and natural cat grass provides
an excellent source of vegetation.  Our grass is easy to grow, just plant
the seeds and within a few days - viola!  Cats are naturally drawn to grass
and they love ours.

"Natural grass helps prevent your cat from eating house plants which may be
poisonous. Outdoor cats can satisfy their desire for fresh vegetation, but
when cats are kept indoors all the time, they have no opportunity to eat
tender grass as nature intended. So they satisfy their craving by chewing on
houseplants and some can be deadly to cats. Your first impulse might be to
just remove your house plants but cats still need to satisfy their natural
cravings.

"Our Natural Grass is special and cats love the sweet taste. It can be grown
indoors all year round on any window sill.  It does not need direct
sunlight.

"Our Natural Grass is not just for cats.  Customers grow it for dogs,
rabbits, reptiles and birds. One customer even grows it for her Wallaby. Our
grass is so safe that humans juice it for the quality natural nutrients it
contains."

http://www.citycats.biz/
JP Hobbs - 01 Feb 2004 22:59 GMT
I've had cats all my life and was always told that cats ate grass
when they feel they want tobe sick, I dont know for sure that its
true but its feasible.  Jean P.

> My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
> survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Thanks.
Shari H - 20 Jul 2005 04:40 GMT
I heard cats love grass, especially when their stomach feels ishy.
The grass makes them feel better. Mine always puke afterward too.

>My big orange fuzzbuddy "RJ" is clawless (former owner) and has zero
>survival skills, so I never let him outside. Besides I live in the
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>Thanks.
 
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