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JBHajos - 27 Jan 2004 13:48 GMT
Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  His back legs
seemed to be weakening a bit but it was not particularly alarming.  We
assumed it was due to the dregs of the maulings he endured last summer
and his lengthy recovery from bites on his back leg.  Also, since his
escapade down the city drain pipes around Christmas, he's been an
indoor-only cat and now uses the litter box - - I use the scoopable
and his big polydactyl paws picked up the pellets which clumped inside
the many crevices.  We cleaned out the litter with olive oil every day
making it less painful to walk on.  Did that solve the problem?  No.  

It became more pronounced over the weekend with his rear legs buckling
under, though he'd regain his balance without falling, but he couldn't
walk three feet without stopping to lie down and rest.  Off to the vet
Monday to see if he was arthritic or had a fracture or something.  No
way did I expect the diagnosis.  Hobo is diabetic.  One symptom is
loss of muscle strength in the rear.  

Hobo was kept overnight for further testing, observation, and insulin
treatment.  Poor old guy.  We are to go back this afternoon about 4:00
to pick him up - - but also to be taught how to do the treatment at
home.  I don't know what to expect.  I am scared silly.  What if I
don't do it right?  Chris says if we have to stick him with a needle
everyday, *we'll* soon be basket cases.  I know Marina deals with this
very well but another poster (don't recall who) almost lost her kitty
when it wasn't fed exactly on time.  I'll gladly do anything for Hobo
and hope I never hurt him.  Thankfully his problem isn't cancer or
some other horrific malady.

Sorry this is so long.  Just venting.  My mind is roiling in circles.
Thanks for listening.  

 Jeanne
Victor Martinez - 27 Jan 2004 14:06 GMT
Healing purrs for Hobo on the way. Keep us posted.

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JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 14:56 GMT
>Healing purrs for Hobo on the way. Keep us posted.

  Thank you, Victor.  I have no doubt they'll help.

  Jeanne
Marina - 27 Jan 2004 14:24 GMT
> Sorry this is so long.  Just venting.  My mind is roiling in circles.
> Thanks for listening.

No excuses necessary, this is a big thing to get your head around.
Incidentally, it's not my cats who are diabetic, it's me. My cats just have
hyperthyroidism. But anyways, lots of purrs from the cats and vibes of
sympathy from me to Hobo and you. Let's hope it's not too difficult to get
the insulin dosage right. The needles nowadays are so small that he might
not even notice he is being pricked. (You should have seen the ones in use
when I was diagnosed in 1970!)

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Tanada - 27 Jan 2004 20:05 GMT
> > Sorry this is so long.  Just venting.  My mind is roiling in circles.
> > Thanks for listening.
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> not even notice he is being pricked. (You should have seen the ones in use
> when I was diagnosed in 1970!)

I used them on my father, they were huge.  How old were you at the time?
You must have been a baby, you're in your early 30s now, if I remember
correctly.

Pam S.
Marina - 28 Jan 2004 03:44 GMT
> I used them on my father, they were huge.  How old were you at the time?
> You must have been a baby, you're in your early 30s now, if I remember
> correctly.

I was 5 (so 39 now, 40 in October, gulp!).

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Tanada - 28 Jan 2004 04:55 GMT
> > I used them on my father, they were huge.  How old were you at the time?
> > You must have been a baby, you're in your early 30s now, if I remember
> > correctly.
>
> I was 5 (so 39 now, 40 in October, gulp!).

You're still a baby.  I turn 49 in September.  Next year I qualify for
AARP (American Association for Retired People).  I won't be able to make
jokes about it any more.

Pam S.
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 30 Jan 2004 16:28 GMT
>I was 5 (so 39 now, 40 in October, gulp!).

A mere slip of a girl then.

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JP Hobbs - 30 Jan 2004 00:22 GMT
Me too Marina,and those needles through the day to check
the BGL dont you get knotted ,with it all, year in year out,
at one stage I stopped for two years, until I had to go for an
overnight stayin hospital, and my sugars were 23 i've done the
*right thing* ever since   purrs Jean P.

> > Sorry this is so long.  Just venting.  My mind is roiling in circles.
> > Thanks for listening.
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JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 15:03 GMT
>Incidentally, it's not my cats who are diabetic, it's me.

 Of course!!  I remember now.  I sure wasn't thinking straight.

>But anyways, lots of purrs from the cats and vibes of
>sympathy from me to Hobo and you. Let's hope it's not too difficult to get
>the insulin dosage right. The needles nowadays are so small that he might
>not even notice he is being pricked.

  I'm amazed at how well he's taking being pricked!!  He's the cat
that goes into tornado mode if you even *look* like you're about to
medicate him!  Now, though, he's perfectly still with not a peep out
of him.  Must be doing *something* right!   Thank your kitties for the
purrs and thanks for your good wishes.

  Jeanne
Marina - 30 Jan 2004 16:08 GMT
"JBHajos" <jbhajos@earthlunk.not> wrote

> >Incidentally, it's not my cats who are diabetic, it's me.
>
>   Of course!!  I remember now.  I sure wasn't thinking straight.

Purrfectly understandable under the circumstances!

>    I'm amazed at how well he's taking being pricked!!  He's the cat
> that goes into tornado mode if you even *look* like you're about to
> medicate him!  Now, though, he's perfectly still with not a peep out
> of him.  Must be doing *something* right!  

So glad to hear the pricking is going so well, and that he is perking up.

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 27 Jan 2004 15:08 GMT
Purrs heading Hobo's way - yours too

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SUQKRT - 28 Jan 2004 17:42 GMT
Purrs for Hobo to be well soon.
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JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 15:12 GMT
>Purrs for Hobo to be well soon.

 Thank you.  He's getting better, though not well - it'll be with him
the rest of his life according to the vet.  But he's actually perking
up a bit after less than a week of treatment.

  Jeanne
JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 15:09 GMT
>Purrs heading Hobo's way - yours too

  Thank you much!!  I've been a nervous wreck but simmering down the
past few days.

  Jeanne
MaryL - 27 Jan 2004 15:09 GMT
>  Hobo is diabetic.
>
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>
>   Jeanne

Jeanne,

Please check your email.  I sent some information there.

MaryL
JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 15:15 GMT
>Please check your email.  I sent some information there.

 I appreciate that but I'm sorry to say I didn't receive it.  Did it
bounce?  In the addy, the first "u" is "i", the last "o" is an "e" if
that was the problem.  

  Jeanne
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MaryL - 01 Feb 2004 02:21 GMT
> >Please check your email.  I sent some information there.
> >
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> spamguard:( u is i, and not is net)
> ===

I apologize, and I'm sure the message did bounce.  I simply clicked "reply"
and didn't think about the fact that I don't get any error messages when I
send mail from within the newsgroup.  I should have sent it from my email
package, and then I would have know if you didn't receive it.  Anyway, I
sent another message to you a few minutes ago.  This time, I "unmunged" the
addy and you should receive the mail.  <knock on wood>

MaryL
Nanny - 27 Jan 2004 15:11 GMT
You'll get used to it very soon, you only have to stick the needle under the
skin, so you don't have to search for veins or muscles. It's really worth
it, I kept a diabetic cat alive for 6 years (from his 7th to his 13th year).

Nanny

> Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  His back legs
> seemed to be weakening a bit but it was not particularly alarming.  We
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>
>   Jeanne
JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 15:21 GMT
> I kept a diabetic cat alive for 6 years (from his 7th to his 13th year).

  Oh, that's wonderfully encouraging!!  We were told he might have 2
or 3 years if kept on a strict regimen.  You did a great job with
yours.  Hope we can do as well.

 Jeanne
Karen - 27 Jan 2004 15:52 GMT
Purrs for Hobo and you. You can do this!! I think everyone feels overwhelmed
at first. There is a good yahoo feline diabetes group out there though I
don't have the address right now. I'm sure someone else does and will
provide it. I hope you are BOTH feeling better about this soon.

Karen

> Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  His back legs
> seemed to be weakening a bit but it was not particularly alarming.  We
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>
>   Jeanne
JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 15:34 GMT
>Purrs for Hobo and you. You can do this!! I think everyone feels overwhelmed
>at first.

  Thank you.  Yes, it was overwhelming - I went into a real tailspin.
I don't take shocks too well!!!  Calming down considerably now - and
Hobo is taking it just fine.  He's a good boy!!

  Jeanne
Annie Wxill - 27 Jan 2004 16:07 GMT
...  Hobo is diabetic.  One symptom is
> loss of muscle strength in the rear.
> Hobo was kept overnight for further testing, observation, and insulin
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> everyday, *we'll* soon be basket cases.  ...>
>   Jeanne
As soon as you mentioned the weakness in the back legs, I was thinking
diabetes.  This, along with really big puddles in the litter box, was the
symptoms we noticed in Josh (RB).  I was really concerned about the needle,
too.  The vet showed us how to pull up the skin to make a little tent and
inject the needle just under the skin.
I remember vividly the first day I had to do it at home.  I carefully filled
the syringe, pulled up the tent of skin, injected the needle, pulled out the
needle, and depressed the plunger, releasing the insulin into the air.
So I had to poke him twice!  I think it was harder on me than on him,
because he didn't seem to notice.  I was surprised how easily the needle
went in.
There are a couple of gauges of needles.  I don't remember the numbers, but
I bought the smallest one available and used a fresh one each time.  I
bought the needles and his insulin at the pharmacy.
Josh was about 14 when he was diagnosed. Except for the progressive weakness
in his hind legs, he did well for a little over a year, until the diabetes
finally caught up with him.
When Josh got too weak to climb into the litter box, I got some hospital
pads and put them on the floor next to the box.  I carried him in, and he
did his business on the pad.
Now you can monitor the glucose levels every day at home.  Back then it was
pretty much hit and miss at home with periodic visits to the vet for a blood
check.
Also, ask your vet about potassium supplementation. It might help his legs.
I read about this after it was too late for Josh, so I don't have any
first-hand experience with it.
I'm sure you will do fine with Hobo.
Annie
Seanette Blaylock - 27 Jan 2004 22:57 GMT
"Annie Wxill" <Annie_Wxill@hotmail.com> had some very interesting
things to say about Re: Hobo's Sick:

>Now you can monitor the glucose levels every day at home.  Back then it was
>pretty much hit and miss at home with periodic visits to the vet for a blood
>check.

Would the type of glucose meter used for humans work on a cat? What
*is* a normal blood glucose range for a cat, anyway? [I have enough
two-legged diabetic family members that I'm curious.]
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JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 15:53 GMT
>As soon as you mentioned the weakness in the back legs, I was thinking
>diabetes.  This, along with really big puddles in the litter box, was the
>symptoms we noticed in Josh (RB).

Oh, I wish I'd known this earlier, it may not have gotten so
advanced.  I knew zilch about diabetes but in retrospect I now know
the symptoms were there all along - weak back legs (which I attributed
to bites from maulings from a stray feral here), frequent urination
(which I only noticed when he became an indoor-only cat).  I still
feel guilty that my ignorance prolonged his suffering.

>The vet showed us how to pull up the skin to make a little tent and
>inject the needle just under the skin.

 Our vet showed us how that way too.  It's still a little
nerve-wracking but I'm sure practice makes perfect.  I've cheated by
letting my biology-major son do most of the injecting but the few
times I've tried it show I'm getting the hang of it!

>When Josh got too weak to climb into the litter box, I got some hospital
>pads and put them on the floor next to the box.

 That's a good idea, I'll keep it in mind.  

>Now you can monitor the glucose levels every day at home.  

 How do you do that?  I'd feel much more confident if I could know
for sure what's going on on a daily basis.  Our vet wants us to bring
him in periodically (every week for now) for a "glucose curve" and
adjust the dosage accordingly.  But I'd like to do it at home too.

Thanks for the info.  You did a good job with Josh, hope I can do as
well with Hobo.

 Jeanne
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Annie Wxill - 30 Jan 2004 16:59 GMT
...>
> >Now you can monitor the glucose levels every day at home.
>
>   How do you do that?  I'd feel much more confident if I could know
> for sure what's going on on a daily basis.  Our vet wants us to bring
> him in periodically (every week for now) for a "glucose curve" and
> adjust the dosage accordingly.  But I'd like to do it at home too.
...with Josh, hope I can do as
> well with Hobo.
>   Jeanne
Jeanne, it sounds like you are doing fine.  As for the glucose monitoring,
that has been discussed on rec.pets.cats. health+behav.  I can't help you
with that because when we were dealing with Josh's diabetes, we did not have
access to the Internet, and as such, did not know as much as we do now.
You might also look for a discussion group on cat  or pet diabetes.  I know
it exists, but I don't have the link.
Annie
Susan M - 27 Jan 2004 16:49 GMT
Hi there:

I'm so sorry that you and Hobo have to go through this.  I'm glad you've got
it diagnosed and that there's something that you can do for him.  How old
is?  It must be scary to imagine giving needles though I'm sure that you and
Hobo will quickly do get the hang of it.  Please keep us posted.

Susan M
Otis and Chester

> Monday to see if he was arthritic or had a fracture or something.  No
> way did I expect the diagnosis.  Hobo is diabetic.  One symptom is
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>
>   Jeanne
JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 15:56 GMT
>I'm so sorry that you and Hobo have to go through this.  I'm glad you've got
>it diagnosed and that there's something that you can do for him.  How old
>is?

  Thanks.  Hobo is 12.  We're hoping, of course, that the treatment
works well and he'll be with us a good long time.

  Jeanne
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Dan M - 27 Jan 2004 17:55 GMT
> Hobo was kept overnight for further testing, observation, and insulin
> treatment.  Poor old guy.  We are to go back this afternoon about 4:00
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>   Jeanne

Jeanne, I haven't had to do insulin injections, but I have had to
administer sub-q fluids and they're done about the same way. I don't
think you guys will have a problem.

The insulin is injected subcutaneously, which is MUCH less uncomfortable
for the kitty than intramuscular injections. It's very simple to do,
once you establish a routine. When miss DD required sub-q fluids, we had
to do it every day and allow the fluid to flow for a couple of minutes.
By comparison, the quick injection under the skin ought to be no problem
for you or for Hobo.

Take a look at the web page at
http://diabetes.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.felinedia
betes.com%2Finjections.htm

JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 16:05 GMT
> When miss DD required sub-q fluids, we had
>to do it every day and allow the fluid to flow for a couple of minutes.
>By comparison, the quick injection under the skin ought to be no problem
>for you or for Hobo.

 I know that was pretty rough for you and DD.  I had to do it for our
20+ year old Philip's kidney problem.  I made a complete and total
mess of it every time, poor kitty.  Same for 19-year-old Custard.  I
gave up and took her to the vet to let *them* do it!!  For over a
year.  You're right, this insulin injection is quick and easy by
comparison.  Only problem so far is that Hobo's hair is so dense it's
hard to find skin!!!

  Jeanne
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Ginger-lyn Summer - 27 Jan 2004 19:21 GMT
>Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  His back legs
>seemed to be weakening a bit but it was not particularly alarming.  We
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>
>  Jeanne

{{{Jeanne}}} I'm so sorry about Hobo.  But at least diabetes *is*
treatable.  I can imagine how scary this is right now, but I'm sure
you will figure it all out and do what you need to do to help Hobo
feel much better.

Ginger-lyn
JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 16:09 GMT
>{{{Jeanne}}} I'm so sorry about Hobo.  But at least diabetes *is*
>treatable.  I can imagine how scary this is right now, but I'm sure
>you will figure it all out and do what you need to do to help Hobo
>feel much better.

 Thank you so much.  We're doing better at giving the injections and
he *does* seem to feel a bit better.  He's still unsteady on his feet
but at least the legs aren't buckling under him.  It's still early,
only a few days, so we're hoping for continued improvement and
stabilizing.

  Jeanne
Tanada - 27 Jan 2004 20:03 GMT
> Hobo was kept overnight for further testing, observation, and insulin
> treatment.  Poor old guy.  We are to go back this afternoon about 4:00
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> and hope I never hurt him.  Thankfully his problem isn't cancer or
> some other horrific malady.

Purrs and healing thoughts for Hobo, and for you.  I'm glad that his
diagnosis isn't worse, but sorry about the diabetes.  It's not a fun
disorder to have.  Marina is an inspiration to us all with how well she
handles her condition.  

FWIW, I gave my father his insulin shots after my mom died.  It's easy,
just remember to follow the instructions given for you, and remember
that he needs his medicines at the same times daily.  If I could do it
as a fifteen year old, you can do it too.  Hobo is an intelligent cat.
He'll figure out quickly that those shots make him feel better and will
adapt, as will you.  

Pam S.
JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 16:14 GMT
>Purrs and healing thoughts for Hobo, and for you.  

  Thank you, I'm sure they're helping a great deal.  

>FWIW, I gave my father his insulin shots after my mom died.  It's easy,
>just remember to follow the instructions given for you, and remember
>that he needs his medicines at the same times daily.  

 Yes, it's turning out to be easier than anticipated.  Fortunately,
Hobo is being such a good boy about it.  Keeping to a strict schedule
is a bit inconvenient at times but we don't care so long as Hobo's OK.

 Jeanne
polonca12000 - 27 Jan 2004 20:27 GMT
I'm sure you'll do great, Jeanne!
Lots of purrs and best wishes for Hobo and gentle calming hugs for his
worried slaves,
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> Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  <snip>
Hobo is diabetic.  One symptom is
> loss of muscle strength in the rear.
>
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>
>   Jeanne
JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 16:17 GMT
>Lots of purrs and best wishes for Hobo and gentle calming hugs for his
>worried slaves,
  Thank you.  I told Hobo he was getting lots of purrs and he says
"mmmrrrrow".  I'm sure it helps.  With us calming down too.

 Jeanne
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cati - 27 Jan 2004 21:19 GMT
lots of purrs from you and Hobo.

Cati
> Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  His back legs
> seemed to be weakening a bit but it was not particularly alarming.  We
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>
>   Jeanne
JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 16:19 GMT
>lots of purrs from you and Hobo.

  Thank you.  They are much appreciated.

 Jeanne
Tish S - 27 Jan 2004 21:56 GMT
Hi Jeanne,

Our cat, Ted, has been diabetic for several years and has been
successfully treated.  There are also several other people on RPCA
whose cats are diabetic.  It's a shock to begin with (I cried when
they told us that Ted was diabetic, even though I'd already figured it
out), but it's amazing how quickly you get used to it.  They use the
same kind of needles that are used for people and they are so
fine/slim that they don't hurt the cats at all.  I found that knowing
that Ted wasn't being hurt by her twice-daily injections made me feel
a lot better about treating her.  We got used to it really quickly and
after a day was injecting her just fine.

If you would like to ask questions or talk about it, feel free to
email me a tsilberb at bio dot mq.edu.au (replace the "at" with @ and
"dot" with .)

There are also many excellent information resources on the 'net.

Purrs,
Tish

> Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  His back legs
> seemed to be weakening a bit but it was not particularly alarming.  We
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> way did I expect the diagnosis.  Hobo is diabetic.  One symptom is
> loss of muscle strength in the rear.
JBHajos - 30 Jan 2004 16:25 GMT
>Our cat, Ted, has been diabetic for several years and has been
>successfully treated.  

 I'm sorry to hear Ted is diabetic but it's most encouraging to know
she's been doing well with the treatment.  We have a long row ahead,
don't we?  I had no idea what the diabetic symptoms were and only hope
my ignorance didn't make things much worse for Hobo.  Thank you for
all the good info.

 Jeanne
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Brenda - 27 Jan 2004 22:10 GMT
> Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  His back legs
> seemed to be weakening a bit but it was not particularly alarming.  We
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>
>   Jeanne

sending purrs,
Brenda
JBHajos - 31 Jan 2004 14:48 GMT
>sending purrs,
>Brenda

  Thank you, Brenda.  They've helped!!!

  Jeanne
Steve Touchstone - 27 Jan 2004 22:19 GMT
>Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  His back legs
>seemed to be weakening a bit but it was not particularly alarming.  We
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>and hope I never hurt him.  Thankfully his problem isn't cancer or
>some other horrific malady.

Purrs that Hobo will accept the treatment and be fine in no time.
Although the idea of daily shots is scarry, I'm sure you'll be able to
get the hang of it. Let us know how things go.

>Sorry this is so long.  Just venting.  My mind is roiling in circles.
>Thanks for listening.  

Hey, that's what we're here for {{{{Hugs}}}
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JBHajos - 31 Jan 2004 14:56 GMT
>Purrs that Hobo will accept the treatment and be fine in no time.
 
 Thanks for the purrs, Steve.  Hobo has accepted the routine
surprisingly well.  In less than a week, he's walking much better.
We're more confident now that he'll feel better as we go along.

 Jeanne
CATherine - 28 Jan 2004 05:51 GMT
>Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  His back legs
>seemed to be weakening a bit but it was not particularly alarming.  We
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>
>  Jeanne

My cat Sheba was diagnosed with diabetes last March. She had the same
trouble with her legs plus excessive urination. The vet started her
off on 1/2 unit isulin twice a day. Then a glucose test. We kept
upping the dose slowly and carefully until we reached a good level for
her blood sugar--between 100 and 200.

Right from the first the vet put her on DM--Diabetic Management cat
food by Purina. It can only be gotten at a vet. It cost me $22 for 24
cans. And a small bag of the same kind of dry food for $17.  She could
have nothing else to eat but that and had to be fed at about the same
time morning and evening with the insulin about half hour later.The
dry food can be free fed. Important!! If the cat does not eat a meal
do not give the shot!! My cat weighs between 11 and 12 pounds. I feed
her 1/3 of a can twice a day plus a tablespoon of the dry. She is not
very active. A larger or more active cat will need more.

Sheba eventually was able to walk and run and jump again. But some
cats don'r recover that well. I am not sure why. Ands now she is not
even taking insulin. Just maintaining her sugar level with the
diabetic food. Although we will do another glucose test soon and every
month.

You can get the tiny needles and insulin from Walmart pharmacy. Get
walmart's own brand--Relion. It is about half the price of brand
names. $12+ for a box of 100 needles and again for a bottle of
insulin. The bottle of insulin should last for months.

The shot should be given in the scruff of the neck. The cat doesn't
feel it there. Anywhere else can be felt. At first you will be clumsy.
But you will get better. If you give a shot and are not sure it went
under the skin (one time it went through the tent of skin), it is
better NOT to give another shot at that time. Just in case some of the
insulin did go in. You don't want to take the chance of driving the
sugar level too low.

Keep some Karo handy. If the cat becomes lethargic and falls over and
has a small seizure or makes odd sounding howls; that is probably very
low blood sugar. Put some Karo in a syringe and squirt 10cc's in the
mouth. That happened to Sheba. I didn't know what happened and rushed
her to the vet. he gave her the Karo and told me what to do,

If this is the only cat you have, it is easy to manage the food
dishes. But if you have another cat, you have to make sure the
diabetic cat cannot get any regular catfood. Or treats. And you have
to see that another cat doesn't steal the diabetic cat's food.

I worked it out at my house and I have 4 cats and a dog. It is just a
little change in your lifestyle that seems overwhelming at first. But
in a week or two, it will seem almost normal. You will get into a
routine. And rigid routine is important for a diabetic cat. Needless
to say, the cat can't go outdoors. There too many opportunities to
cheat on the diet; not to mention getting into an unequal fight.

Plan your activities so that you are home at feeding time. For a
vacation, take the cat with you or leave it at the vet. A sitter
cannot be relied upon for this.

I hope my experiences have helped you. Write me anytime. Best of luck.

CATherine and Sheba
JBHajos - 31 Jan 2004 15:05 GMT
>My cat Sheba was diagnosed with diabetes last March.
                (SNIP)
                     
  Thank you for your knowledgeable response.  Perfect!!!

   I'm having trouble with the diet though.  I haven't found the D/M
yet and I want it very much so will keep looking.  Amazing that no one
here seems to stock it!!  Meanwhile, poor Hobo is mostly eating his
regular cat food and I *know* it's not good for him.  

BTW, I sent you an e-mail.  Did you get it?  I wasn't sure I had the
correct addy.

  Jeanne
CATherine - 01 Feb 2004 03:39 GMT
>>My cat Sheba was diagnosed with diabetes last March.
>                 (SNIP)
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>
>   Jeanne

The D/M cat food can only be bought from a veterinarian. If he doesn't
carry it regularly, he can order it from Purina.

I haven't gotten an email from you. My addy is munged. Just delete
<drop.me.> in my addy.

I am glad my experiences have helped. Until you get the D/M, an
acceptable substitute food is steamed white meat chicken with no skin
or fats. Mix it with steamed rice. You may flavor it with fat-free
chicken bouillon. And maybe a bit of parsley for greens.

Purrs, CATherine
lewe - 28 Jan 2004 11:22 GMT
<>  Hobo is diabetic.  One symptom is
> loss of muscle strength in the rear.
>
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> and hope I never hurt him.  Thankfully his problem isn't cancer or
> some other horrific malady.

Loads of purrs for Hobo from Thea & Bono
Best wishes for you all - please let us know

:: lewe
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JBHajos - 31 Jan 2004 15:08 GMT
>Loads of purrs for Hobo from Thea & Bono
>Best wishes for you all - please let us know

  Many thanks.  It seems to be going well so far, knock on wood.
We'll know more Tuesday when we take him back for a glucose test.

  Jeanne
Adrian - 28 Jan 2004 12:52 GMT
<SNIP>
> Sorry this is so long.  Just venting.  My mind is roiling in circles.
> Thanks for listening.

{{{{{{{Jeanne}}}}}}}
Never apologise for worrying about a cat. Sending healing purrs for Hobo.
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JBHajos - 31 Jan 2004 15:09 GMT
> Sending healing purrs for Hobo.
  Thank you from Hobo and me.  I'm positive they helped more than you
could guess!!!

  Jeanne
badwilson - 28 Jan 2004 15:10 GMT
I'm sorry to hear about Hobo's illness.  Purrs for the treatments to be
easily administered and for him to get better soonest.
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JBHajos - 31 Jan 2004 15:13 GMT
>I'm sorry to hear about Hobo's illness.  Purrs for the treatments to be
>easily administered and for him to get better soonest.

 Thank you from all of us.  It's been going fine so far  and he seems
somewhat better.  I just wish he could get *well* but for now it's
enough that we can keep him going.

  Jeanne
Christine Burel - 28 Jan 2004 21:26 GMT
Awww -- poor Hobo -- sending concentrated kitty purrs his way. Jeanne, if
you do have to give him insulin, you'll have a lot of people supporting you
through it from rpca!  I never thought I could give sub-q fluids but found I
could do it after all because I had to.  Thinking of you and Hobo.
Hugs,
Christine

> Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  His back legs
> seemed to be weakening a bit but it was not particularly alarming.  We
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>
>   Jeanne
JBHajos - 31 Jan 2004 15:21 GMT
>Awww -- poor Hobo -- sending concentrated kitty purrs his way. Jeanne, if
>you do have to give him insulin, you'll have a lot of people supporting you
>through it from rpca!  

  Oh, the support from this group has been fantastic!!!  So much
concern and caring and great advice, I swear it's changed me from a
blithering, frightened blob to a more relaxed, confident caregiver.
You all will never know how much you've helped and how much it's meant
to me.  Many thanks!!!!!

 Jeanne
Sam Nash - 29 Jan 2004 04:31 GMT
Purrs for you both.
Sam
JBHajos - 31 Jan 2004 15:22 GMT
>Purrs for you both.
>Sam

  Many thanks.  It's much appreciated.

 Jeanne
m. L. Briggs - 29 Jan 2004 05:36 GMT
>Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  His back legs
>seemed to be weakening a bit but it was not particularly alarming.  We
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>
> Heartfelt purrs for Hobo. MLB
JBHajos - 31 Jan 2004 15:24 GMT
>> Heartfelt purrs for Hobo. MLB

     Thank you so much.  We're grateful for your help.

      Jeanne
JP Hobbs - 30 Jan 2004 00:14 GMT
Thats the thought you've got to hold on to , it's NOT cancer,
and it's not earth shattering, well, not like the big C would be,
sticking a needle in a cat is not like a human, dogs and cats
dont seem to feel needles like we do,believe me I know,
Maybe cats being smaller need to have their insulin as close
to  time as possiblebut the other cat had different cicumstances
I think he was travelling in a car and had gone a fair time after
his insulin was due. when I go on a long journey, I take a small
eski for my insulin, cheer up.  hugs for you and Hobo  Jean P.

> Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  His back legs
> seemed to be weakening a bit but it was not particularly alarming.  We
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>
>   Jeanne
JBHajos - 31 Jan 2004 15:31 GMT
>Thats the thought you've got to hold on to , it's NOT cancer,

  Oh, yes, indeed!!!!   We've been through the cancer thing twice in
the past and it's a horror I couldn't wish on any living creature.
While we know Hobo will never be cured, we're thankful it's something
that can be controlled.  Thank you for your good wishes!!

 Jeanne
Judith Latham - 31 Jan 2004 09:11 GMT
> Hobo has had some trouble walking the past few weeks.  His back legs
> seemed to be weakening a bit but it was not particularly alarming.  We
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> the many crevices.  We cleaned out the litter with olive oil every day
> making it less painful to walk on.  Did that solve the problem?  No.  

[Snip]

> Sorry this is so long.  Just venting.  My mind is roiling in circles.
> Thanks for listening.  

>   Jeanne

>  

Purrs and prayers to you all. I'm sure that you will cope because you know
it's what you have to do to help Hobo.

Judith

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JBHajos - 31 Jan 2004 15:35 GMT
>Purrs and prayers to you all. I'm sure that you will cope because you know
>it's what you have to do to help Hobo.

  Thank you so much.  Yes, indeed, I'll do anything in the world I
can to help my Hobo.  

  Jeanne
 
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