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Susan M - 27 Jan 2004 01:37 GMT
Cats can't breathe properly when I open the door for them to sniff the
outside air.  They try to sniff, stop themselves because its too cold,
sneeze and try to shake all four paws at the same time.

http://weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/forecast/city_e.html?yyc&unit=i

A chinook blows in to warm things up in a hurry.  We all get chinook
headaches.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Glad the furnace was just replaced
Hans Schr?der - 27 Jan 2004 01:48 GMT
> Cats can't breathe properly when I open the door for them to sniff the
> outside air.  They try to sniff, stop themselves because its too cold,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> A chinook blows in to warm things up in a hurry.  We all get chinook
> headaches.

I like to consider myself a Norwegian viking, but such temperatures sound
terrible... It's about 26-28 F here now (-3 C), I can take that, to put it
that way

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Susan M - 27 Jan 2004 01:55 GMT
> I like to consider myself a Norwegian viking, but such temperatures sound
> terrible... It's about 26-28 F here now (-3 C), I can take that, to put it
> that way

At least we get the chinook winds off the mountains during the winter so its
rarely this cold for any length of time.

I have a Norwegian friend from Nese and he is one of my telemark ski
buddies.  Do you tele ski?

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Hans Schr?der - 27 Jan 2004 02:34 GMT
> I have a Norwegian friend from Nese and he is one of my telemark ski
> buddies.  Do you tele ski?

No, I don't ski at all. 25 years (or more) back, I came to the conclusion
that skiing was just a bad habit I could do without, so I laid it off. Now,
in Winter, I watch all kinds of ski sports on TV, and at Easter time, when
many of my fellow Norwegians travel up to the mountains to catch up with
what's left of snow in the country, I stay home in Oslo to catch the first,
revitalizing, signs of spring and summer...

Why do you give me that bad look...? ;-)

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Susan M - 27 Jan 2004 03:29 GMT
> Why do you give me that bad look...? ;-)

It's the non-comprending stare of an telemark-addict.  At the same time, I'm
wondering if you're *not* genetically Norwegian :D

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Hans Schr?der - 27 Jan 2004 03:45 GMT
> It's the non-comprending stare of an telemark-addict.  At the same time, I'm
> wondering if you're *not* genetically Norwegian :D

I get the same stare from people here, as well, sometimes.

About genetics, the first Schr?der that came to Norway was a German soldier
as far back as the mid-1500's. He fell in love with a Norwegian girl (who
doesn't?), got married and settled down as a farmer and soldier. So from
that time on, the family has been all Norwegian, except from, maybe, a
Hungarian man in the late 1700's (we don't know for sure).

I don't know if this disqualifies me from being genetically Norwegian, but
if it does, I would like to know who are qualified... :-D

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Tanada - 27 Jan 2004 19:39 GMT
"Hans Schrøder" wrote:

> About genetics, the first Schrøder that came to Norway was a German soldier
> as far back as the mid-1500's. He fell in love with a Norwegian girl (who
> doesn't?), got married and settled down as a farmer and soldier. So from
> that time on, the family has been all Norwegian, except from, maybe, a
> Hungarian man in the late 1700's (we don't know for sure).

Supposedly, Rob's (my husband) ancestors did the same thing, but they
moved from Germany to Sweden, and from there to America.  

Pam S.
Karen Chuplis - 27 Jan 2004 02:14 GMT
> Cats can't breathe properly when I open the door for them to sniff the
> outside air.  They try to sniff, stop themselves because its too cold,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Otis and Chester
> Glad the furnace was just replaced

Jeez!! our meezly -12 F is feeling warmer all the time.

Karen
Hopitus2 - 27 Jan 2004 02:30 GMT
The Chinook business went right over my head (??) - sounds like an Indian
name - but I do understand -27Fo which your local weather report stated. No
wonder the poor cats snuffle and shake themselves; bet that cold air hurts
their little noses. It warmed up here; sending warmer air up to you from 78F
and meatloaf meditations that whatever it is, your Chinook will get there
sooner rather than later. Poor outside cats in your area.

: > Cats can't breathe properly when I open the door for them to sniff the
: > outside air.  They try to sniff, stop themselves because its too cold,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
:
: Karen
Susan M - 27 Jan 2004 03:38 GMT
> The Chinook business went right over my head (??) - sounds like an Indian
> name - but I do understand -27Fo which your local weather report stated. No
> wonder the poor cats snuffle and shake themselves; bet that cold air hurts
> their little noses. It warmed up here; sending warmer air up to you from 78F
> and meatloaf meditations that whatever it is, your Chinook will get there
> sooner rather than later. Poor outside cats in your area.

Chinook winds are warm and very dry winds that blow down from the mountains.
First, the winds pick up moisture on the west coast, then they travel to the
mountains where they dump all their snow and moisture, then they flood down
onto our city, warming us up and drying everything out.   It's hard on the
system to go from -40 C to +12 C in as short as two hours...but no one
really complains :-)   North of us in Edmonton, the chinooks never come and
its just cold cold cold.  East of us, like in Saskatchewan and Manitoba, its
also just cold cold cold.  Friends of mine from Winnipeg talk about it being
so cold that their windows shattered when they closed their car door.  Had
to drive home with extra wind chill.

I'm afraid no outdoor kitties would survive tonight.  They tell us that -15
C is the limit for cats and that they will sustain frostbite even at that.
I marvel at the survival skills of animals though - the little birds,
coyotes, rabbits, elk, deer, cougars ecetera all surviving out there in the
mountains where its even colder at altitude.  Unbelievable.

Otis is beside himself.  Climbing the bedroom window screen and yowling to
go out ... it looks like he hits a force field when I do open the door
though :-)

Take care,

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Pat - 28 Jan 2004 06:11 GMT
> Friends of mine from Winnipeg talk about it being
> so cold that their windows shattered when they closed their car door.

I spent several winters in Winnipeg. It was like the dark side of the moon.
Temperature stays below zero F. continuously for at least three months. I
can remember walking around outdoors in short sleeves in the spring when it
was in the 30s which felt like summer by that time.

One year I flew from Atlanta GA to WPG in early January and the temp.
differential between boarding the flight and getting off was like 140
degrees F.
badwilson - 28 Jan 2004 13:35 GMT
> I'm afraid no outdoor kitties would survive tonight.  They tell us that -15
> C is the limit for cats and that they will sustain frostbite even at that.
> I marvel at the survival skills of animals though - the little birds,
> coyotes, rabbits, elk, deer, cougars ecetera all surviving out there in the
> mountains where its even colder at altitude.  Unbelievable.

I don't know about that.  When I lived in Yellowknife, you'd see cats
outside in the winter quite often and it would often be -30C for weeks on
end.  I don't know for how long at a time these cats would be outside, but
usually they would have round ears instead of pointed ones :-(
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Susan M - 27 Jan 2004 02:34 GMT
> Jeez!! our meezly -12 F is feeling warmer all the time.

-12 F *is* cold!  Can you remind me where you are Karen?

SM
Otis and Chester
Karen Chuplis - 27 Jan 2004 05:15 GMT
>> Jeez!! our meezly -12 F is feeling warmer all the time.
>
> -12 F *is* cold!  Can you remind me where you are Karen?
>
> SM
> Otis and Chester

Nebraska. Brrrrr. Doesn't always get this cold but some winters it does.
Victor Martinez - 27 Jan 2004 03:11 GMT
> http://weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/forecast/city_e.html?yyc&unit=i

DANG!!! That's cold! A *high* temperature of -22F (-30C)?!?!?!?!?!
Remind me to only visit you in the summertime... :)

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Susan M - 27 Jan 2004 03:30 GMT
> > http://weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/forecast/city_e.html?yyc&unit=i
>
> DANG!!! That's cold! A *high* temperature of -22F (-30C)?!?!?!?!?!
> Remind me to only visit you in the summertime... :)

Add the windchill down to -40 and you've got a stinking cold day.  BTW,
summer in the mountains doesn't officially start until July.  Really.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
John Biltz - 27 Jan 2004 05:14 GMT
>>> http://weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/forecast/city_e.html?yyc&unit=i
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Add the windchill down to -40 and you've got a stinking cold day.  BTW,
> summer in the mountains doesn't officially start until July.  Really.

I believe you.  When I lived in Laramie Wyoming it was always snowing
into June.  I had to go to the ROTC Summer camp at Fort Knox Kentucky in
June and it was in the mid 90s (35 C) with 90% humidity.  When I told
them it might take me awhile to get used to the heat I had to explain
that it snowed the week before in Laramie.
Victor Martinez - 27 Jan 2004 13:59 GMT
> summer in the mountains doesn't officially start until July.  Really.

Summer here in Central Texas can start as early as April and it lasts
until November. In reality we have two seasons only: summer and almost
summer.

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Sherry - 27 Jan 2004 23:21 GMT
>Summer here in Central Texas can start as early as April and it lasts
>until November. In reality we have two seasons only: summer and almost
>summer.

Sounds lovely to me. I visited with a woman in Brownsville once who told me she
didn't even own a winter coat. I was jealous.

Sherry
Victor Martinez - 28 Jan 2004 03:34 GMT
> Sounds lovely to me. I visited with a woman in Brownsville once who told me she
> didn't even own a winter coat. I was jealous.

It rarely gets in the 30's down there. The funny thing is, we have a
closet full of jackets and coats... :)  To me it's cold if it's in the
60's....

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Hans Schr?der - 28 Jan 2004 03:57 GMT
> It rarely gets in the 30's down there. The funny thing is, we have a
> closet full of jackets and coats... :)  To me it's cold if it's in the
> 60's....

I think the right expression is "spoiled", don't you think? ;-)

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Sherry - 28 Jan 2004 04:01 GMT
>> It rarely gets in the 30's down there. The funny thing is, we have a
>> closet full of jackets and coats... :)  To me it's cold if it's in the
>> 60's....
>>
>I think the right expression is "spoiled", don't you think? ;-)

Naw, he's not spoiled! Just ask him about August in Texas!! (Personally I love
it, but it might be a bit taxing for a Norweigan)

Sherry
Hans Schr?der - 28 Jan 2004 04:48 GMT
> Naw, he's not spoiled! Just ask him about August in Texas!! (Personally I love
> it, but it might be a bit taxing for a Norweigan)

Well, yes, I guess it might... When temperatures (very rarely) climb above
30C (about 85F), it's too much for me...

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wear then?

Sherry - 28 Jan 2004 05:05 GMT
>> Naw, he's not spoiled! Just ask him about August in Texas!! (Personally I
>love
>> it, but it might be a bit taxing for a Norweigan)
>>
>Well, yes, I guess it might... When temperatures (very rarely) climb above
>30C (about 85F), it's too much for me...

I suppose it's whatever we're acclimated to...it's 34 degrees F here right now,
and I'm freezing. Can't wait for summer. I'm still comfortable iin the low
90's, but I tend to agree with Victor, 60 degrees is coat weather.

Sherry
Karen Chuplis - 28 Jan 2004 05:06 GMT
>> Naw, he's not spoiled! Just ask him about August in Texas!! (Personally I
> love
>> it, but it might be a bit taxing for a Norweigan)
>>
> Well, yes, I guess it might... When temperatures (very rarely) climb above
> 30C (about 85F), it's too much for me...

I'm not even Norwegian and above 85 is usually too much for me.

Karen
John Biltz - 28 Jan 2004 05:40 GMT
>>> Naw, he's not spoiled! Just ask him about August in Texas!! (Personally I
>> love
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>
> I'm not even Norwegian and above 85 is usually too much for me.

Europe got a taste of what August in Texas was like last year, it went
badly.  A lot of it is being used to it and a lot of it is having your
housing set up for it as well.  There were reasons no one lived in Vegas
before airconditioning they were May, June, August and September.  I have
lived in a lot of different climates, Panamanian jungle, Middle East
desert, Korean winter, the Rockies at 7,000 feet, American South,
Southwest and Midwest a lot of it living out of a backpack.  They all
have their bad points and good points.
Marina - 28 Jan 2004 05:07 GMT
"Hans Schrøder" <han-schr@online.no> wrote

> Well, yes, I guess it might... When temperatures (very rarely) climb above
> 30C (about 85F), it's too much for me...

Same here for this Finn. Last summer was torture with over 30 C for over a
month!

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Victor Martinez - 28 Jan 2004 13:46 GMT
> "Hans Schrøder" <han-schr@online.no> wrote
>>Well, yes, I guess it might... When temperatures (very rarely) climb above
>>30C (about 85F), it's too much for me...
> Same here for this Finn. Last summer was torture with over 30 C for over a
> month!

Ha! For us it's nice (long-sleeve even) when it's only 30C! During the
worse of the summer, it's 27C in the morning when the sun rises. 40C
during the day is common. The hotest I've ever experienced was 112F
(44.4C) a couple of years ago. And that was in the middle of a 30+ day
stretch of highs above 38C (100F) every single day. Now *that's* summer
for you... :)
Oh yes, and no rain for 3 months, except for the one flood due to a
huricane in the gulf.

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Marina - 28 Jan 2004 14:19 GMT
"Victor Martinez" <me@nospam.com> wrote

> Ha! For us it's nice (long-sleeve even) when it's only 30C!

Long sleeves! <boggle>

>During the
> worse of the summer, it's 27C in the morning when the sun rises. 40C
> during the day is common. The hotest I've ever experienced was 112F
> (44.4C) a couple of years ago. And that was in the middle of a 30+ day
> stretch of highs above 38C (100F) every single day. Now *that's* summer
> for you... :)

<boggle, boggle>

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 28 Jan 2004 14:27 GMT
>> Ha! For us it's nice (long-sleeve even) when it's only 30C!
>
>Long sleeves! <boggle>

Isn't that the time everyone in Finland is nude as it's so warm? ;-)

Cheers, helen s

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Marina - 28 Jan 2004 14:34 GMT
"dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <wafflycathcs@aol.comcomcom> wrote
> >> Ha! For us it's nice (long-sleeve even) when it's only 30C!
> >
> >Long sleeves! <boggle>
>
> Isn't that the time everyone in Finland is nude as it's so warm? ;-)

Exactly. :o)

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Susan M - 28 Jan 2004 18:45 GMT
> Ha! For us it's nice (long-sleeve even) when it's only 30C! During the
> worse of the summer, it's 27C in the morning when the sun rises. 40C
> during the day is common. The hotest I've ever experienced was 112F
> (44.4C) a couple of years ago. And that was in the middle of a 30+ day
> stretch of highs above 38C (100F) every single day. Now *that's* summer
> for you... :)

Ugh.  Above 23 C and I'm lying in the basement wimpering from heat
exhaustion.  I hibernate all summer and emerge happily in the fall and
winter to resume life.  I'm genetically suited to cold and foggy places (all
Irish, Scottish and English ancestors - have red hair).  Thank goodness I'm
coming in "almost summer".

Susan M
Who went for a long walk last night in -33 C
Otis and Chester
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 28 Jan 2004 08:25 GMT
>Well, yes, I guess it might... When temperatures (very rarely) climb above
>30C (about 85F), it's too much for me...

I awoke this morning to about an inch of snow covering the land here in deepest
rural Norfolk. Plus news on local radio says Nathan's school has been closed
due to the bad weather conditions. Good grief! Heaven forbid whoever made that
decision ever had to survivce a normal daily life in colder climes. An inch of
snow closes a school - what wimps. When I was a kid school didn't close unless
there was several inches of snow on the ground - and we got on with it and
walked there - suitably dressed. Wimps these days I tell you - It's only *just*
about freezing point and the education system grinds to a halt. I am not
impressed :-(

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Marina - 28 Jan 2004 14:21 GMT
"dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <wafflycathcs@aol.comcomcom>
> >Well, yes, I guess it might... When temperatures (very rarely) climb above
> >30C (about 85F), it's too much for me...
>
> I awoke this morning to about an inch of snow covering the land here in deepest
> rural Norfolk. Plus news on local radio says Nathan's school has been closed
> due to the bad weather conditions. Good grief!

LOL! I have never experienced that schools would have closed, no matter what
the temps. Even when it was -35 - -40 C for a week!

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 28 Jan 2004 14:27 GMT
>LOL! I have never experienced that schools would have closed, no matter what
>the temps. Even when it was -35 - -40 C for a week!

Wimps in authority over here I tell you! Wimps!

I am officially *the mother from hell* today.

Nathan got a phone call from his mates - as school is closed, they were meeting
up at one of their homes for a day on computer games. I have refused to let
Nathan go on the grounds this is *not* a holiday from school and he has his
main examinations - the *big ones* - all too soon, and he *will* be spending
the day revising. I told him that if his friends' parents don 't take their
offsprings forthcoming examinations seriously - the ones which will decide what
the can study to age 18 & beyond - then that is their prerogative - and it's
mine to insist such examinatins are taken seriously in this household....

I *am* the mother from hell ;-)

Cheers, helen s

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SUQKRT - 03 Feb 2004 00:56 GMT
>I *am* the mother from hell ;-)
>
>Cheers, helen s

But we love you anyway ;o)
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 03 Feb 2004 07:49 GMT
>>I *am* the mother from hell ;-)
>>
>>Cheers, helen s
>>
>But we love you anyway ;o)
>Suz

Awwww... I'm touched. ;-)

Cheers, helen s

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CK - 28 Jan 2004 15:32 GMT
> LOL! I have never experienced that schools would have closed, no matter what
> the temps. Even when it was -35 - -40 C for a week!

The only thing that cold temps stopped during school was that we didn't
have to go scating for PE when it was below -12C (10F), we did the PE in
the gym instead.

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Karen - 28 Jan 2004 16:48 GMT
Well, today's high happened at 4 a.m. when it hit 2 degrees faranheit. The
windchill is now - 20 (that is minus as in below). Woohoo.

Karen
Sherry - 28 Jan 2004 17:38 GMT
>Well, today's high happened at 4 a.m. when it hit 2 degrees faranheit. The
>windchill is now - 20 (that is minus as in below). Woohoo.
>
>Karen

Whoa. Sending a sunbeam purr your way.

Sherry
Seanette Blaylock - 28 Jan 2004 21:06 GMT
"Karen" <kchuplis@alltel.net> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: It is this cold tonight:

>Well, today's high happened at 4 a.m. when it hit 2 degrees faranheit. The
>windchill is now - 20 (that is minus as in below). Woohoo.

All you poor icicles can come visit me. Sunny [OK, a bit windy],
current temperature 63 F [17 C, if I did the conversion straight].
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Sherry - 28 Jan 2004 17:39 GMT
>LOL! I have never experienced that schools would have closed, no matter what
>the temps. Even when it was -35 - -40 C for a week!

LOL! They close school here if three flakes fall. They close school if it rains
too much. They're afraid the busses won't be able to make it down the awful
dirt roads and they'll be stuck with our kids all night.

Sheerry
CATherine - 29 Jan 2004 03:22 GMT
>"dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <wafflycathcs@aol.comcomcom>
>> >Well, yes, I guess it might... When temperatures (very rarely) climb
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>LOL! I have never experienced that schools would have closed, no matter what
>the temps. Even when it was -35 - -40 C for a week!

Here in Colorado, schools or are at least delayed a couple of hours,
not due so much to cold; but to dangerous driving conditions for the
school buses. Like during a blizzard or excessive snowfall or
extremely icy conditions like a freezing fog.

As for personal temperature preferences, my son is not really kin to
me! <G> He hates the cold and loves the heat. He will wear a knitted
hat and a jacket in warm weather, long sleeves in full summer. And I
am all the time dying of sweat wearing a loose muumuu. To me the ideal
temp is about 60-65F. And that is with loose summer clothes. I like
crisp, cool air.

CATherine
Hopitus2 - 29 Jan 2004 05:00 GMT
OMG! Haven't met "freezing fog"(?) yet during my winter visits to your area.
That's a new thrill to look forward to. What I loved about your summers is
the lovely dry air and lack of sweat for the hoomins there. Of course one's
hair looks like hell (mine, anyway), not to mention your skin (Denver
relatives: "drink more water! carry a water bottle everywhere you go!" which
of course reinforces my desire to not look like a wimp tourist: I don't see
the natives running around with water bottles like the sweathogs here in
FL). Your boy would probably love it down here in August and Sept. when the
Evil Sun is at its most powerful and the Humidity Gods slaver over our
chugging a/c condensors.

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Adrian - 29 Jan 2004 11:01 GMT
> >Well, yes, I guess it might... When temperatures (very rarely) climb above
> >30C (about 85F), it's too much for me...
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>
> Cheers, helen s

I don't remeber the schools closing in '63 when we had slightly more snow
and it was a bit colder for a few weeks.;-) As you say, wimps these days.
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Christopher Havlicek - 29 Jan 2004 23:02 GMT
>>Well, yes, I guess it might... When temperatures (very rarely) climb above
>>30C (about 85F), it's too much for me...
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Sounds a bit like winter weather here in the Washington D.C. area of the
US.  I have to admit that I look forward to "snow days" around here,
because they're so easy to get...:)  Back in New York State, we'd have
had 4 inches of snow fall before they'd start considering a minor delay.
 Here, 4 inches of snow is a catastrophe, resulting in school and
business closings on a large scale.

Granted, from a safety standpoint, especially if I had kids in school,
I'd *rather* they closed schools, if only to keep the kids out of range
of some of the drivers around here.  I love driving in snow, but won't
go out in it around here unless there's enough of it to discourage
a majority of the drivers.  I like the days when the hospitals ask for
4wd vehicles, and when mine was more trustworthy, I'd go help.

Of course, I had to come here to experience a "wintery mix".  Wet, grey,
freezing rain, snow, slush combinations that melt during the day and
then refreeze at night.  I *won't* drive if it's icy... I miss the
sound of snow crunching under foot when it's really cold, and having
to wear sunglasses against the sun reflecting off the snow...:)

From an educational standpoint, if all these kids could walk to school,
I might call them wimps, but then again, when the administrators and
teachers have to drive *and* the kids are getting shuttled all over the
place...well...

Ok...yes, I still laugh at the way winter gets handled around here, but
then I have to wonder how I'd handle a winter in Calgary or Alaska,
which would make my favorite NY winters look pathetic....;)

Katie will go out and try to catch snowflakes.  Tripper just looks at me
like I'm crazy...:)  Heh....yep...guess he's right...:)

Purrs-

Chris
Hazel Az - 28 Jan 2004 23:25 GMT
Or August in Phoenix.  We are known to get as high as 50C or higher

Hazel Az

> > Naw, he's not spoiled! Just ask him about August in Texas!! (Personally I
> love
> > it, but it might be a bit taxing for a Norweigan)
> >
> Well, yes, I guess it might... When temperatures (very rarely) climb above
> 30C (about 85F), it's too much for me...
John Biltz - 28 Jan 2004 05:20 GMT
>>> It rarely gets in the 30's down there. The funny thing is, we have a
>>> closet full of jackets and coats... :)  To me it's cold if it's in the
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> love
> it, but it might be a bit taxing for a Norweigan)

Yes in Vegas we don't worry about the winter, its the summers that are
the killers.
Steve Touchstone - 28 Jan 2004 06:43 GMT
>>> It rarely gets in the 30's down there. The funny thing is, we have a
>>> closet full of jackets and coats... :)  To me it's cold if it's in the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Sherry

I remember going to San Antonio for training in the Fall and thinking
how great the weather was. Unfortunately, we had a couple NCOs down
from Alaska who just about had heat stroke LOL
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Tanada - 28 Jan 2004 04:49 GMT
"Hans Schrøder" wrote:

> > It rarely gets in the 30's down there. The funny thing is, we have a
> > closet full of jackets and coats... :)  To me it's cold if it's in the
> > 60's....
> >
> I think the right expression is "spoiled", don't you think? ;-)

Not spoiled, but accustomed to his climate.  I was raised in the Pacific
Northwest and was used to snow, temperatures below zero in the winter
and Temperatures over 100 in the summer.  But with life in the military,
one doesn't get to live where one wants.  I haven't lived back there
since 1997, am no longer used to cold temperatures, snow (or in our
current case, ice) or temperatures in the hundreds Fahrenheit.  I'm also
no longer used to low humidity, which is normal in eastern Washington
State.  

I seriously suspect that you'd wilt in Austin's summer temperatures and
humidity, where Victor would feel right at home.  

Pam S. who would also wilt in Austin's heat and humidity if she were
there in the summer
badwilson - 28 Jan 2004 13:47 GMT
> > It rarely gets in the 30's down there. The funny thing is, we have a
> > closet full of jackets and coats... :)  To me it's cold if it's in the
> > 60's....
> >
> I think the right expression is "spoiled", don't you think? ;-)

It's very easy to get acclimatized.  I grew up in western Canada where it
was quite temperate, but rainy.  Moved to Yellowknife which is on the arctic
circle and it was soooo cold there, I had never experienced anything like
it!  But when we'd get a "warm spell" we would BBQ if it was over -9C and in
the spring we'd go out in t-shirts if it was above 0.
Then I moved to Thailand.  Now there's some serious heat!  Things have gone
the other way now and I find the low 20's celsius to be teeth chatteringly
cold.  I have a closet full of jackets for the evenings at this time of year
when it can get down to 20C and for going into airconditioned shopping
centres, etc.
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Steve Touchstone - 28 Jan 2004 06:39 GMT
>> Sounds lovely to me. I visited with a woman in Brownsville once who told me she
>> didn't even own a winter coat. I was jealous.
>
>It rarely gets in the 30's down there. The funny thing is, we have a
>closet full of jackets and coats... :)  To me it's cold if it's in the
>60's....

It's amazing how you get acclimated. I remember during Desert Storm we
started wearing field jackets when it dipped into the 70s. Course we'd
been there for several months by that time, through the heat of the
summer.

BTW, I thought I knew what hot weather was. I grew up in Bakersfield,
California, where summer temperatures regularly break 100F, and spent
time in the Mojave as a kid and with the Army. But I've never felt
heat like we found when we arrived in Bahrain, which is a small island
in the Persian Gulf. We left Oklahoma in August, so were used to heat,
but the heat combined with the humidity from the Gulf just about
killed us. We were there for the rainy season, too. It sprinkled at
least twice ;-)
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John Biltz - 28 Jan 2004 18:45 GMT
> It's amazing how you get acclimated. I remember during Desert Storm we
> started wearing field jackets when it dipped into the 70s. Course we'd
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> killed us. We were there for the rainy season, too. It sprinkled at
> least twice ;-)

When we moved up north along the Iraq border into our pre-attack position
it was out and out cold.  We got a couple of really good rains as well.  
Once we had like a foot of water running through our tent.
lrulan - 28 Jan 2004 15:22 GMT
Our driveway is a sheet of ice. There are 2 newspapers at the end of it that
I haven't gone down to pick up yet because I have no shoes with traction.
Hope the sun melts some of it today. Thank goodness I have plenty of food in
the house. :)
And it's only really the start of winter.
Jazz & his cold mama

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> > Sounds lovely to me. I visited with a woman in Brownsville once who told me she
> > didn't even own a winter coat. I was jealous.
>
> It rarely gets in the 30's down there. The funny thing is, we have a
> closet full of jackets and coats... :)  To me it's cold if it's in the
> 60's....
Sherry - 28 Jan 2004 17:40 GMT
>Our driveway is a sheet of ice. There are 2 newspapers at the end of it that
>I haven't gone down to pick up yet because I have no shoes with traction.
>Hope the sun melts some of it today. Thank goodness I have plenty of food in
>the house. :)
>And it's only really the start of winter.
>Jazz & his cold mama

Sunbeam purrs for you, and Karen too!
Hope your house is warm and cozy.

Sherry
Susan M - 28 Jan 2004 18:48 GMT
> Our driveway is a sheet of ice. There are 2 newspapers at the end of it that
> I haven't gone down to pick up yet because I have no shoes with traction.
> Hope the sun melts some of it today. Thank goodness I have plenty of food in
> the house. :)
> And it's only really the start of winter.
> Jazz & his cold mama

We are hibernating today too!

My husband got his 76 yo mother some Yak Tracks for Christmas.  They are
like bungie cords with metal washers on them that you strap to the bottom of
your shoes.  She's having fun walking all over the icy streets here!

Susan M
Otis and Chester
lrulan - 28 Jan 2004 19:44 GMT
oooooooooh! Thank you so much for this info. I went online and ordered some
immediately. I even had them ship second day air. I hope they arrive
tomorrow or the next day in time for me to use them this winter.
Jazz's mama

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> > Our driveway is a sheet of ice. There are 2 newspapers at the end of it
> that
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
Susan M - 28 Jan 2004 19:49 GMT
> oooooooooh! Thank you so much for this info. I went online and ordered some
> immediately. I even had them ship second day air. I hope they arrive
> tomorrow or the next day in time for me to use them this winter.
> Jazz's mama

I'm so pleased!!!  Let us know how you like them!
Susan M
Otis
Yowie - 28 Jan 2004 03:45 GMT
> >Summer here in Central Texas can start as early as April and it lasts
> >until November. In reality we have two seasons only: summer and almost
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Sounds lovely to me. I visited with a woman in Brownsville once who told me she
> didn't even own a winter coat. I was jealous.

I don't own a winter coat either :-)

Jeans, t-shirt and either a thin jumper* + jacket or thick jumper* is fine
even for our coldest winter days, especially if its not raining.

Yowie
* Sweater, pullover.
Sherry - 29 Jan 2004 03:51 GMT
>I don't own a winter coat either :-)
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Yowie
>* Sweater, pullover.

Oh, man. That would be so nice. I'd probably love your country. The warm
climate, the wildlife, the open space. And your accents are so dang cute. :-)

Sherry
Hopitus2 - 29 Jan 2004 04:49 GMT
Yeah, the accents are attractive. The young blonde nominated for the Oscar -
whom we see over and over these days (having been chosen over her
countrywoman, Nicole!) has a soft Oz accent, very different from that Steve
dude with the alligators and snakes. We Merkins see that just as in USA,
there are many regional dialect differences in Oz.

: >I don't own a winter coat either :-)
: >
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:
: Sherry
Yowie - 29 Jan 2004 21:51 GMT
You folks may not be able to hear the difference, just like i can't hear the
difference between some Merkin regional accents, but in general terms, there
are definately regional accents, although somewhat more sublte than the
differnces between USA or English regional accents. For example, Flippy has
a Melbournian accent. Its subtle, but it definately pegs her as from
Melbourne to my ears. But in general terms, the stronger Aussie accents tend
to come from country areas, city slickers (like me) have a less pronounced
accent. Country folk also tend to talk much more slowly than us city folk.
Its sort of a running joke that the iconic Aussie accent happens simply
because no-one wants to open their mouths to speak lest a fly gets in :-)

Oh, and speaking of Melbourne, it does get colder down there in winter than
it does here in Sydney. I'd hazard a guess that Flippy has a winter coat.
Still, neither of us would get snow in winter - to see the white fluffy
stuff we'd have to travel to our snowfields on our highest mountain range
(called, unimaginatively "the Snowy Mountains") or go down to parts of
Tasmania. I don't think any Australian capital city gets snow in winter,
although Hobart's outskirts may get some occasionally.

Yowie

> Yeah, the accents are attractive. The young blonde nominated for the Oscar -
> whom we see over and over these days (having been chosen over her
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> :
> : Sherry
badwilson - 28 Jan 2004 13:38 GMT
> > summer in the mountains doesn't officially start until July.  Really.
>
> Summer here in Central Texas can start as early as April and it lasts
> until November. In reality we have two seasons only: summer and almost
> summer.

In Thailand we have 3 seasons: summer (Nov-Feb), furnace from hell
(March-June) and sauna from hell (July-Oct).
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SUQKRT - 28 Jan 2004 17:42 GMT
>> summer in the mountains doesn't officially start until July.  Really.
>
>Summer here in Central Texas can start as early as April and it lasts
>until November. In reality we have two seasons only: summer and almost
>
>summer.

Comapared to this weekend its quite balmy about 25-30f its snowing a bit.
Suz
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Yowie - 27 Jan 2004 04:17 GMT
> Cats can't breathe properly when I open the door for them to sniff the
> outside air.  They try to sniff, stop themselves because its too cold,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> A chinook blows in to warm things up in a hurry.  We all get chinook
> headaches.

And *I'm* complaining about the 30C+ heat.

Ok, the heat sucks and I prefer cooler temperatures, but I'll take +30C
over -30C any day....

brrrr!

Yowie
Susan M - 27 Jan 2004 04:26 GMT
"Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bv4ouh$nqtpl$5@ID-

> And *I'm* complaining about the 30C+ heat.
>
> Ok, the heat sucks and I prefer cooler temperatures, but I'll take +30C
> over -30C any day....

I don't know - pregnancy and heat didn't go together very well for me :D

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Stacey - 28 Jan 2004 00:44 GMT
> Cats can't breathe properly when I open the door for them to sniff the
> outside air.  They try to sniff, stop themselves because its too cold,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Otis and Chester
> Glad the furnace was just replaced

Hot d*mn!!!! And I thought it was cold here!

Stacey ;) (sending warming purrs to Calgary)
m. L. Briggs - 28 Jan 2004 01:17 GMT
>Cats can't breathe properly when I open the door for them to sniff the
>outside air.  They try to sniff, stop themselves because its too cold,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Otis and Chester
>Glad the furnace was just replaced

Glad you have a new furnace -- but do you also have a monoxide
detector?   Nothing perfect in this world!.
 
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