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Sherry - 15 Jan 2004 04:53 GMT
We rented to the first tenant we  ever had, ever,  who didn't have cats. Word
just got around that we were pretty lenient about pets and somehow the cat
owners just always migrated our way.  The guy has skipped out, disappeared,
can't be located anywhere since mid December. Hasn't paid rent since November.
I have no idea what to do with his stuff.    The is the *first* time ever we
have been gigged by a tenant.

Moral of the story is, don't trust anybody who doesn't have at least one cat.

Sherry
Karen Chuplis - 15 Jan 2004 06:06 GMT
> We rented to the first tenant we  ever had, ever,  who didn't have cats. Word
> just got around that we were pretty lenient about pets and somehow the cat
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>
> Sherry

I can see your future adverts: For rent: at least 1 cat, can have more than
one human.

Karen
Sherry - 15 Jan 2004 14:24 GMT
>I can see your future adverts: For rent: at least 1 cat, can have more than
>one human.
>
>Karen

LOL, Karen! I think you're on to something. "Deposit required if owned by more
than 1 human".
Sherry

Sherry
Yowie - 15 Jan 2004 06:34 GMT
> We rented to the first tenant we  ever had, ever,  who didn't have cats. Word
> just got around that we were pretty lenient about pets and somehow the cat
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Moral of the story is, don't trust anybody who doesn't have at least one cat.

Duuno about where youare, but AFAIK, under our law, you are entitled to sell
his stuff and use the proceedings to repay the debt to you. Anything above
the debt he owes you (haha) needs to be repaid to him, providing of course,
you can find him. You are also entitled to dispose of the stuff as you see
fit, and charge the cost of disposal to your missing tenant (ie, if you ever
find him, you can call the debt collectors in).

What I'd do is chuck out the crap, and use any of the good stuff for
"semi-furnished" for the next set of tenants. That way, the old tenant will
be repaying the debt by 'renting' his possessions to you, and you subletting
them :-)

And I'd advise anyone going into the landlord business that they get special
rental insurance to cover this sort of stupid tenant stuff (assuming you
have such things there).

Sorry that the tenant has done a nasty on you, and I"m not surprised that
cats make a good reference for their humans.

Yowie
Sherry - 15 Jan 2004 14:41 GMT
>Duuno about where youare, but AFAIK, under our law, you are entitled to sell
>his stuff and use the proceedings to repay the debt to you.

You can here too, but it's a long process that requires notification in the
newspaper, and other legal rigamarole, when you can't find the person. . His
ex-wife and children can't even find him, so I doubt I can either. I hired an
attorney, (good money after bad) and rented a storage facility (more good
money) till the process is complete..
That's a good idea about the furniture.

Sheryr
Duke of URL - 15 Jan 2004 14:18 GMT
> We rented to the first tenant we  ever had, ever,  who didn't have
> cats. Word just got around that we were pretty lenient about pets
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Moral of the story is, don't trust anybody who doesn't have at
> least one cat.

Call your local County/City/Whatever Attorney. You are usually
required to keep the possessions for a specific time, then they're
yours and you can turn them over to an auctioneer and get some cash.
Bev - 15 Jan 2004 18:35 GMT
> > We rented to the first tenant we  ever had, ever,  who didn't have
> > cats. Word just got around that we were pretty lenient about pets
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> required to keep the possessions for a specific time, then they're
> yours and you can turn them over to an auctioneer and get some cash.

In New Zealand people who rent flats have to put up a bond which covers
damage and skipping off without paying.  It's a great idea!   I am so
sorry you have been ripped off though.
Perhaps cat-loving tenants are the best :)

Bev
CK - 16 Jan 2004 18:05 GMT
> In New Zealand people who rent flats have to put up a bond which covers
> damage and skipping off without paying.  It's a great idea!   I am so
> sorry you have been ripped off though.
> Perhaps cat-loving tenants are the best :)

The bond thingy is used in Finland too. Amount varies from some fixed
sum to 1-2-3 months' rent.

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Ginger-lyn Summer - 15 Jan 2004 20:07 GMT
>We rented to the first tenant we  ever had, ever,  who didn't have cats. Word
>just got around that we were pretty lenient about pets and somehow the cat
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Sherry

You have my sympathies.  I'm my landlord's quasi-building manager, and
deal with showing apartments, getting them rented, seeing what needs
to be done when they leave, getting estimates and all that stuff.
There are a lot of open apartments in my area right now, and my
landlord, who only owns six units, has *3* of them open right now (two
people got houses, one moved to Pittsburgh).  He's hurting, to say the
least.  I've done everything I can to draw people in, including making
a nice "Pet-Friendly Apartments for Rent" flyer and posting it about
town, but so far, I am wondering where all the kitty lovers are!  Hope
they show up soon!

Hope you get your former tenant's mess straightened out soon, and
sorry you had to deal with this.

Ginger-lyn
Sherry - 15 Jan 2004 22:03 GMT
>You have my sympathies.  I'm my landlord's quasi-building manager, and
>deal with showing apartments, getting them rented, seeing what needs
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>
>Ginger-lyn

Ginger, I think "pet friendly" will truly draw in some good people. It must be
hard to find pet-friendly houses here, becuase they never stay empty.
I'm renting to my son next. I won't get the rent from him either, I'm sure, but
at least I won't expect it. :-)

Sherry

Sherry
Hopitus2 - 15 Jan 2004 23:36 GMT
A great idea, to let your son have the place....for many reasons.

: >You have my sympathies.  I'm my landlord's quasi-building manager, and
: >deal with showing apartments, getting them rented, seeing what needs
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
:
: Sherry
Sherry - 16 Jan 2004 02:42 GMT
>A great idea, to let your son have the place....for many reasons.

I hope so. It's hard for young people just starting  out. Much worse than when
we were young, I think. Not having to pay rent should help. Not a lesser
conderation is the fact that it will keep him from moving back home. :-)

Sherry
Yowie - 16 Jan 2004 05:27 GMT
> >A great idea, to let your son have the place....for many reasons.
>
> I hope so. It's hard for young people just starting  out. Much worse than when
> we were young, I think. Not having to pay rent should help. Not a lesser
> conderation is the fact that it will keep him from moving back home. :-)

I may be hard, but I would encourage you to make your son pay rent, even if
its only a token amount. The paying of regular bills and the consequences of
not doing so have to be learnt, and learnt early.

If you still feel its unfair him paying rent to you, take his 'rent' and put
it in a savings bond for him so that if he ever needs a loan or a deposit on
something big and worthwhile, the cash is there and he saved for it himself.

Why do I say this? because both of Joel's siblings never got their head
around paying their bills on time (both being in public housing you can get
away with not paying your rent for upteen weeks at a time) and then suddenly
they land on our doorstep with the "If I can't find <a huge sum of money> by
the end of today, I'll have to move in here or live on the streets." I'm
compassionate enough not to want them living on the streets, but I don't
want them living with me, and I don't want to cough up the money. But in the
end, my sanity is worth more to me than money and we've bailed them out. Of
course they *promise* (with tears in their eyes, even) that they'll pay us
back, but we never see a cent, and they promise that they've learnt their
lesson, but six months down the track, they're at it again (As you may have
been able to tell with the Daniel Debacle). Never in their adult lives have
they had to take real responsibility for themselves, and darn it, it shows!

Not at all implying your son is like that, but I firmly believe that people
have learn to look after themselves, and in families, everyone has to pull
their weight. Rent (or mortgage) is one of those facts of life that have to
be paid, may as well get used to it and get inthe habit of paying regularly.
Of course, YMMV, and you may know your son is already a perfectly responsile
adult, but its something I feel strongly enough about that I felt I had to
comment.

Yowie
(Who, when living at home, thought that the board my parents charged was
exhorbitant compared to those around me, until I moved out into the Real
World and would have *loved* to have rent, electricity, gas, phone,
shopping, food prep, laundry and housework all looked after for me at twice
that amount!)
Sam Nash - 19 Jan 2004 02:26 GMT
> > >A great idea, to let your son have the place....for many reasons.
> >
> > I hope so. It's hard for young people just starting  out. Much worse than
> when
> > we were young, I think. Not having to pay rent should help. Not a lesser
> > conderation is the fact that it will keep him from moving back home. :-)

<snipped>
As usual, well said Yowie.
Sam
Sherry - 19 Jan 2004 04:25 GMT
>I may be hard, but I would encourage you to make your son pay rent, even if
>its only a token amount. The paying of regular bills and the consequences of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>it in a savings bond for him so that if he ever needs a loan or a deposit on
>something big and worthwhile, the cash is there and he saved for it himself.

He's lived on his own in the city for quite some time, so he knows how to pay
bills. I have to say, with the limited income he has, I've been pleasantly
surprised at his ability to pay his own bills. I'd never charge my own children
rent per se, but the plan we have is the nominal amount he will be expected to
pay monthly will go into escrow for taxes and insurance  on the place due (lump
sum)  at the end of the year. There's no such thing as free rent I'm
afraid--for any of us--even though we haven't had a mortage for years on any of
the houses, Uncle Sam and the need for liability insurace in this sue-you
society makes sure of that.

Sherry
Yowie - 19 Jan 2004 04:44 GMT
> >I may be hard, but I would encourage you to make your son pay rent, even if
> >its only a token amount. The paying of regular bills and the consequences of
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> the houses, Uncle Sam and the need for liability insurace in this sue-you
> society makes sure of that.

A big "goodonya" to your son for being able to live within his means. Some
people never manage it. And I"m glad you are both being thoroughly sensible
about the finances, I hate to see people taking advantage of each other,
especially families.

Yowie
Sherry - 19 Jan 2004 13:56 GMT
>A big "goodonya" to your son for being able to live within his means. Some
>people never manage it. And I"m glad you are both being thoroughly sensible
>about the finances, I hate to see people taking advantage of each other,
>especially families.
>
>Yowie

LOL, that'll never happen at our house, I'm afraid. Even though I am the
softie, my DH isn't on this subject and it's the source of a lot of friction
between us. He is very much self-made, I mean we started out poor as church
mice 30 years ago, he never expected anything from our  respective families and
now expects our own progeneny to stand on their own two feet and "live within
their means" which is a skill foreign to many young people, I'm afraid.
Your savings bond idea is a good one also. When the time comes for the
offspring to move on, there would (hopefully) be a nice nest egg to make
deposits, down payment, or any of those necessary expenses.

Sherry

Sherry
Tanada - 15 Jan 2004 22:22 GMT
> We rented to the first tenant we  ever had, ever,  who didn't have cats. Word
> just got around that we were pretty lenient about pets and somehow the cat
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Moral of the story is, don't trust anybody who doesn't have at least one cat.

Poor Sherry.  I hope you find him and get his mess worked out.
Meanwhile, have some cheese and crackers to go with that whine.

Pam S.
Sherry - 16 Jan 2004 03:16 GMT
>Poor Sherry.  I hope you find him and get his mess worked out.
>Meanwhile, have some cheese and crackers to go with that whine.
>
>Pam S.

ROFL!

Sherry
Christopher Havlicek - 15 Jan 2004 22:28 GMT
> We rented to the first tenant we  ever had, ever,  who didn't have cats. Word
> just got around that we were pretty lenient about pets and somehow the cat
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Sherry
Ewww....sorry you got stuck, but you're not alone with tenant problems.
I had a tenant that would pay, then fail to pay, then get back on track
(but still behind), then fail to pay again.  I was trying to be
sympathetic and decent about her problems, but after awhile, it became
a case of "let's take advantage"...  And since there were security
issues, I didn't feel comfortable with the 30 day eviction law in VA.
Luckily, she's gone, but I'm still fighting the debt that was incurred
by my covering what should have been covered by her rent.

What I did find out in the process is that at least in VA, after 6
months, if there's been no attempt to claim the property, it pretty
much becomes yours.  They do prefer that you make an attempt to contact
the "owner", but in talking to a couple of court officers, they said
they aren't generally supportive of "deadbeats".

Your best bet is to check the landlord-tenant laws for your locale, and
see what they have to say about abandonment.

Best of luck -

Chris (who has a rewritten lease to override the 30 day eviction
standard), cat dad to Tripper, Katie, and Hazard (who were my primary
concern as far as security went)
Hopitus2 - 15 Jan 2004 23:35 GMT
At least your tenant didn't leave a cat (with no notice to anybody)
abandoned inside when he "dis-appeared" like the jerks from down the street
(remember me posting about the beautiful big white longhair w/different
colored eyes that my neighbor and the house's owner found after tenant had
been gone a week, leaving her and a bag of cat food (unopened) without
telling anyone?) the landlord does not leave nearby and it could have been
much more than a week before they checked the property.....I dropped in on
the neighbor the other day; just in time to see the big fluffy white tail
disappearing out onto their back Florida room....neighbor snickered and
said, "Yeah, she hauled because she *knows* you want her, but we love her
and she ain't going nowhere....". She now lives happily with 3 yappy hound
dogs and a couple gray stripers, and queens it over all of them, knowing she
is a beauty. How people can be so cruel is beyond me as to leave their
trusting pet in an empty house when they leave for whatever reason. A pet is
to care for for its lifetime. A Hopitus assertion.

: > We rented to the first tenant we  ever had, ever,  who didn't have cats. Word
: > just got around that we were pretty lenient about pets and somehow the cat
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
: standard), cat dad to Tripper, Katie, and Hazard (who were my primary
: concern as far as security went)
Sherry - 16 Jan 2004 02:44 GMT
>At least your tenant didn't leave a cat (with no notice to anybody)
>abandoned inside when he "dis-appeared" like the jerks from down the street
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>telling anyone?) the landlord does not leave nearby and it could have been
>much more than a week before they checked the property...

That happens *a lot*. It's unbelievable. The humane society gets calls often
from neighbors who suspect there's been a pet left inside and we have to get
the cops to let us in. I hear that it's a bigger problem in college towns when
students leave. It slays me every time. I can't eveen comprehend leaving an
animal like that.

Sherry
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 16 Jan 2004 03:33 GMT
> We rented to the first tenant we  ever had, ever,  who didn't have cats. Word
> just got around that we were pretty lenient about pets and somehow the cat
> owners just always migrated our way.  The guy has skipped out, disappeared,
> can't be located anywhere since mid December. Hasn't paid rent since November.
> I have no idea what to do with his stuff.

I think you'd be legally entitled to seize it for non-payment of rent
(assuming any of it is worth anything)!  I'm sure you could simply have
it all hauled away (by the Goodwill or DAV or some other "salvage"
operation).  After all, it's occupying YOUR property, and if he's simply
taken off with no forwarding address, you should have the right to get
rid of it.  I'm not an attorney, of course, but if he's been gone since
mid-December it's probably a safe bet that he doesn't plan to return.
Have you tried reporting him to the police as a "missing person"?  Maybe
something happened to him - arrested or dead in an accident or
something.
 
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