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Pat - 07 Sep 2005 06:22 GMT
Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor) is
gone on a trip, so I am having to doctor him.

He was clearly in considerable pain, with pus coming out of the wound and it
was quite hot to the touch. He was a perfect angel about letting me hold his
ear under a running faucet. He cried a few times but did not struggle or
claw me or try to get away.

I've started him on amoxycillin - 250 mg initially but will lower the doxe
tomorrow. And I have locked him inside her house until I see a lot of
improvement.

He could use a few purrs.
Jo Firey - 07 Sep 2005 06:27 GMT
> Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor)
> is
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>
> He could use a few purrs.

Purrs on the way.  Poor old warrior.

Jo
John Rahn - 07 Sep 2005 07:16 GMT
Awwww ... we four are purring for him ... hope all turns out well.

I used to 'care for' all the cats that would come to the house (how do
they know?). At one time my vet was giving me a 'quantity discount' - I
was 'caring for' - I counted one day as I put plates of food down -
TWENTY ONE 'street cats'.

It was for the most part satisfying and very entertaining - countered
by very gut-wrenching events - sometimes having to 'make decisions'.

(one sad story - from a LONG time ago but I remember it so vividly)

There was a little TINY black kitty that appeared on my steps one day
(again, how do they know?). Just a TINY little thing that took to me
immediately. She had a thick black coat and orange-colored eyes.

"Shasta" had a cute little face and was obviously young, and pregnant
and READY. She wasn't REAL fat but, I could tell.

I fixed up a place for her to feel safe and comfortable and let her get
used to it.

I came home from work one day and as soon as I got out of the car,
Shasta came FLYING out of the house just talking like crazy, no longer
pregnant. She was SO talking to me and I could tell she wanted me to
follow her.

We went into the house, to her bed where I was expecting to see some
newborn kittens - however (as my eyes still tear up thinking about it)
- the only thing in the bed was a little underdeveleloped fetus. Shasta
climbed into the bed and layed next to it, purring proudly.

(I need a kleenex)

A couple of days later she was very lithargic with extremely labored
breathing. I rushed her up to my vet who, was very surprised, and just
could not believe that she was still alive. The little girl was just
eaten up with cancerous tumors and feline leukemia. He had no choice
but to immediately put her down.

I broke down on the drive home.

But there are LOTS of happy stories as well - like seeing eight or ten
cats in my rear-view mirror bouncing and running, following my car as I
drove up the driveway - thats really something to see.

Or 'Scruffy' who I truly thought that he truly thought that he was a
'human'. He would actually sit on the couch next to me, FLAT on his
BUTT, with his back against the cushions, hind legs straight out. We
would sit together and watch TV or nap on weekends - if I timed it just
right, when he would sit like that he would always groom his stomach -
if I talked to him he would look up at me (with his light mint-green
eyes), his tongue still sticking straight out (and he really disliked
being laughed AT).

Jeez I could go on all night ...
Takayuki - 10 Sep 2005 02:08 GMT
>We went into the house, to her bed where I was expecting to see some
>newborn kittens - however (as my eyes still tear up thinking about it)
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>eaten up with cancerous tumors and feline leukemia. He had no choice
>but to immediately put her down.

That's the saddest story ever!  What a hard little life that wonderful
kitty had.
Mathew Kagis - 07 Sep 2005 07:00 GMT
Tubs is lucky to have you, Pat.  Hope it heals cleanly, poor guy.

Cheers
Mathew, Chablis & Muscat
Mathew Kagis - 07 Sep 2005 07:00 GMT
Tubs is lucky to have you, Pat.  Hope it heals cleanly, poor guy.

Cheers
Mathew, Chablis & Muscat
Yoj - 07 Sep 2005 08:44 GMT
Purrs for Tubs.

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> Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor) is
> gone on a trip, so I am having to doctor him.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> He could use a few purrs.
Adrian - 07 Sep 2005 11:40 GMT
> Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my
> neighbor) is gone on a trip, so I am having to doctor him.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> He could use a few purrs.

Poor Tubs, purrs that he soon feels better.
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Victor Martinez - 07 Sep 2005 12:08 GMT
> He could use a few purrs.

Lots of purrs.

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badwilson - 07 Sep 2005 12:55 GMT
> Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my
> neighbor) is gone on a trip, so I am having to doctor him.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> He could use a few purrs.

Purrs for Tubs!
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kilikini - 07 Sep 2005 13:22 GMT
> Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor) is
> gone on a trip, so I am having to doctor him.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> He could use a few purrs.

Awwwwww, poor baby!  Does it look like a cat fight?  I hope his condition
improves soon and you're such a good substitute meowmie for taking care of
him.

kili
Susan M - 07 Sep 2005 13:38 GMT
Poor Tubs has healing purrs coming from my crew.  You are so nice to fix him
up for your neighbour!

Susan M
Otis and Chester

> Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor)
> is
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> He could use a few purrs.
Howard C. Berkowitz - 07 Sep 2005 15:25 GMT
> Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor)
> is
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> He could use a few purrs.

Purrs definitely. Mr. Clark was captured as an adult tom on a country
road and has a few battle scars, although he's now more of an Alan Alda
type watching kittens and babies. Mind you, he can be provoked by an
unruly junior cat.

If you have a situation where you can keep antibiotics on hand,
amoxicillin may not be the best choice for an infected wound. Discuss it
with your vet. For the first choice in humans, I would think variously
of a cephalosporin, a fluoroquinolone, or an amoxicillin-like penicillin
coupled with an anti-penicillinase drug (e.g., Augmentin).
Pat - 07 Sep 2005 15:57 GMT
> If you have a situation where you can keep antibiotics on hand,
> amoxicillin may not be the best choice for an infected wound. Discuss it
> with your vet.

This was the only drug available on short notice and without a vet visit.
I'm hoping it will work. If I don't see improvement in 48 hours he will go
to the vet.
Rrb - 09 Sep 2005 04:14 GMT
>>Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor)
>>is
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> of a cephalosporin, a fluoroquinolone, or an amoxicillin-like penicillin
> coupled with an anti-penicillinase drug (e.g., Augmentin).

Here's a question:  Is 250 milligrams of any antibiotic a large dose for
a cat? I remember being sick in the past and starting out with 500 mg of
antibiotic initially and then dropping it to 250 mg for each subsequent
dose every six hours.  I weigh 160 lbs and a cat usually weighs less
than 20 lbs.
Pat - 09 Sep 2005 04:37 GMT
> Here's a question:  Is 250 milligrams of any antibiotic a large dose for
> a cat? I remember being sick in the past and starting out with 500 mg of
> antibiotic initially and then dropping it to 250 mg for each subsequent
> dose every six hours.  I weigh 160 lbs and a cat usually weighs less
> than 20 lbs.

The usual dose for dogs and cats is 5-10mg/pound given by mouth every 12 to
24 hours. Tubs weighs 12 lbs. and often when you first start an animal on an
antibiotic you give a large dose. If I had given too much, he probably would
have gotten sick (vomiting and.or diarrhea) but no such thing happened.
Howard C. Berkowitz - 09 Sep 2005 16:41 GMT
> >>Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my
> >>neighbor)
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> dose every six hours.  I weigh 160 lbs and a cat usually weighs less
> than 20 lbs.

I've wondered about that myself, but, unfortunately, I don't have any
specific veterinary pharmacology texts. Let me share an educated guess.

Many antibiotics, especially those of the penicillin and cephalosporin
family that includes amoxicillin, are quite nontoxic unless there's a
specific allergy. Given that reactions aren't particularly tied to
dosage, it's probably simpler to use the human-sized pills. Injected
doses are easier to customize.

There are some classes of antibiotics where you do want to use the
minimum effective dose. The class of aminoglycosides, which includes
gentamicin, kanamycin, and streptomycin, selectively damages the
auditory nerve, and the dose should be kept as low as possible to avoid
hearing damage.  

Cat biochemistry is significantly different from humans. When we were
planning cancer chemotherapy for Clifford (RB), I was hesitant since one
of the drugs was cisplatin, which is among the most toxic for humans. In
people, it's quite difficult to manage the nausea.

The veterinary medical oncologist (this was the regional referral center
in Springfield, VA, where they have medical, surgical, and radiation
oncologists) assured me that cats don't have many side effects from
cisplatin, far less than humans. Perhaps it's the practicing with
hairballs, but she said that cats rarely have much discomfort from
nausea while on chemotherapy quite toxic in humans.

There are many other different reactions. While morphine and related
compounds are key pain relievers and sedatives in humans, they don't
help cats, and, in fact, cause wild excitation.

Human doses of prednisone, at least other than a short course, are tied
to body weight.  Again, in cats, they don't seem to have as many side
effects from what, by dosage per body weight, would be heroic in humans.
Rrb - 10 Sep 2005 06:18 GMT
>>>> Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my
>>>> neighbor)
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> dosage, it's probably simpler to use the human-sized pills. Injected
> doses are easier to customize.

I Assume that Ampicillin  (SP?) is in that group as well. I guess that
explains why  my fingers itched when ever I took it Ampicillin the past
as I am allergic to Penicillin.  When I took Erythromycin I did not have
that problem with itching.

> There are some classes of antibiotics where you do want to use the
> minimum effective dose. The class of aminoglycosides, which includes
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> compounds are key pain relievers and sedatives in humans, they don't
> help cats, and, in fact, cause wild excitation.

Hmm. That might explain why the last time I took my male cat in for a
dental and had them give him an after procedure pain injection ( I err
on the side of caution where pain and my cats are concerned) he acted
agitated and his eyes were fully dilated for a few hours after I picked
him up.  HE settled down after a few hours and acted normal (plus the
pupil dilation went back to normal).  I sat with him and kept a CLOSE
eye on him for the rest of the day. At the time I asked the vet
afterwards and posted on alt.med.veterinary as well as rchb and no one
could provide any insight on it. I guess  I should consider finding
another vet. Any opinions?

Thanks for your post I will log it as a post to be kept.

Rich

> Human doses of prednisone, at least other than a short course, are tied
> to body weight.  Again, in cats, they don't seem to have as many side
> effects from what, by dosage per body weight, would be heroic in humans.
Kreisleriana - 07 Sep 2005 15:42 GMT
>Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor) is
>gone on a trip, so I am having to doctor him.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>He could use a few purrs.

Big purrs.  When is his slave coming back?

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Pat - 07 Sep 2005 15:56 GMT
> Big purrs.  When is his slave coming back?

21st of this month.
Jo Firey - 07 Sep 2005 16:37 GMT
>> Big purrs.  When is his slave coming back?
>
> 21st of this month.

I've always used Neosporin as a topical on cat wounds too.

Jo
Howard C. Berkowitz - 07 Sep 2005 20:31 GMT
> >> Big purrs.  When is his slave coming back?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Jo

Once a wound is showing evidence of pus, scrupulous cleaning will be
more effective than any antibiotic cream or ointment. Neosporin can be
appropriate when dressing a fresh wound.

There are some prescription creams that can be used for specific
situations, but in general, the only way to get appreciable antibiotic
into an infected wound is by mouth or injection.
Pat - 07 Sep 2005 20:45 GMT
> Once a wound is showing evidence of pus, scrupulous cleaning will be
> more effective than any antibiotic cream or ointment. Neosporin can be
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> situations, but in general, the only way to get appreciable antibiotic
> into an infected wound is by mouth or injection.

And this one has plentiful pus - so much that I'm wondering if I should
maybe give him 250mg twice a day instead of 125.
Howard C. Berkowitz - 08 Sep 2005 00:05 GMT
> > Once a wound is showing evidence of pus, scrupulous cleaning will be
> > more effective than any antibiotic cream or ointment. Neosporin can be
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> And this one has plentiful pus - so much that I'm wondering if I should
> maybe give him 250mg twice a day instead of 125.

The amount of discharge is probably less important than his overall
temperature, and, around the wound, there's an old medical Latin rule to
judge a soft tissue infection:

    calor:  hot to the touch
    rubor:  red skin (see if you can brush the fur aside)
    tumor:  swollen
    dolor:  painful to the touch

As to the antibiotic, it's often a good idea to start most courses with
a double "loading dose". In patients the size of people, if I didn't see
improvement in a week, I'd either add a different class of antibiotic or
change it.
PatM - 07 Sep 2005 16:31 GMT
Gloria and Tubbs are lucky to have you as a neighbor!  Purrs for the
poor fellow.

PatM
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 07 Sep 2005 18:55 GMT
>Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor) is
>gone on a trip, so I am having to doctor him.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>He could use a few purrs.

Purrs for poor Tubs.  Hope he recovers soon.

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polonca12000 - 07 Sep 2005 22:26 GMT
Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for Tubs,
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> Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor) is
> gone on a trip, so I am having to doctor him.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> He could use a few purrs.
Sam Nash - 08 Sep 2005 03:45 GMT
> Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor)
> is
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> He could use a few purrs.

Healing purrs for Tubs on the way.
Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
Irulan - 08 Sep 2005 04:37 GMT
aw, poor Tubs. We will purr and pray that he
starts recovering and feeling better soon.
Lily & her mama

> Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor) is
> gone on a trip, so I am having to doctor him.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> He could use a few purrs.
Krista - 08 Sep 2005 06:26 GMT
> Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor) is
> gone on a trip, so I am having to doctor him.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> He could use a few purrs.

Aww, purrs for Tubs; I hope he heals without complications.  And purrs
to you too; maybe you won't get any *more* complications!

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Krista
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 09 Sep 2005 02:53 GMT
> Tubs came home with a torn up ear today. His slave (Gloria, my neighbor) is
> gone on a trip, so I am having to doctor him.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> He could use a few purrs.

Can't you take him to his vet?  (When I go away, I always
leave my vet's phone number with my pet-sitter, along with
contact information in case the sitter needs to reach me.)
Pat - 09 Sep 2005 03:46 GMT
> Can't you take him to his vet?  (When I go away, I always
> leave my vet's phone number with my pet-sitter, along with
> contact information in case the sitter needs to reach me.)

If he was not improving steadily, he would have seen the vet today. But he's
gettin gbetter. See the update I posted earlier today. If he gets worse in
spite of the care he is currently getting, then he'll see the vet.
 
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