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Susan M - 07 Sep 2005 04:45 GMT
I've written ad nauseum about how Otis is keeping us up at night and I just
can't stand it anymore.  He gets up most mornings between 4 and 5 AM and
yowls, claws the window screens, and also my face.  He seems to want to go
outside to go to the bathroom and to have a snack.  He can't just seem to go
down to the litterbox by himself and come quietly back to bed.  I just fall
back asleep when the alarm goes off.

I think I've mentioned that my husband is now home and I am working - and I
just can't afford to be this tired all day.  My performance is suffering.
Also, I've started to get migraines and broken sleep is a contributing
factor to them.  I'm tired of dragging around all the time.

I'm going to have to stick him in the basement at night.  I hate to do it
since Otis is such a strange creature.  On one hand, he's a velcro loving
kitty passionate about being with his people.  OTOH, if he doesn't get lots
of slave-contact, he gets kind of wild pretty quickly.  I'm gone all day at
the office and my husband isn't so attentive all day to the cats as I am.
I've felt that he needs his nighttime cuddle time.

Winter should calm him down a bit since he's less inclined to go want to go
out when its -20 and tends to hide under the covers until noon.  I'm the
only one in the city who can't wait for cold winter.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Whimpering
Pat - 07 Sep 2005 05:31 GMT
> I've written ad nauseum about how Otis is keeping us up at night and I just
> can't stand it anymore.  He gets up most mornings between 4 and 5 AM and
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> out when its -20 and tends to hide under the covers until noon.  I'm the
> only one in the city who can't wait for cold winter.

Have you tried putting a litterbox in your bedroom for Otis? Or closing him
out of your bedroom, rather than in the basement?

As a last resort, you might wear those foam earplugs that are made for
shooters (very cheap in WalMart) and cover your face with a pillow.
Susan M - 07 Sep 2005 13:32 GMT
> Have you tried putting a litterbox in your bedroom for Otis? Or closing
> him
> out of your bedroom, rather than in the basement?
>
> As a last resort, you might wear those foam earplugs that are made for
> shooters (very cheap in WalMart) and cover your face with a pillow.

Thanks Pat.  We don't want a litterbox in the bedroom for the noise (he's a
big scratcher), the smell, and the mess.  I think that he just likes to get
up and prowl at this time of the morning too and its more than just needing
to get up for a pee.  If you lock him out of the bedroom, he will throw
himself at the door all night and dig at the door, likely to the point that
he will injure his feet.  He's also a yowler.  We can hear him complaining
all the way from the basement to the second floor.  He's part siamese.  He
also digs around the pillow (tried that) and scratches my face.  He's one
determined hombre.  Unfortunately, after years of nine years of trying to
deal with his nighttime habits, we've discovered that you have to be two
storeys away from him to get any sleep at night.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Victor Martinez - 07 Sep 2005 12:11 GMT
> can't stand it anymore.  He gets up most mornings between 4 and 5 AM and
> yowls, claws the window screens, and also my face.  He seems to want to go
> outside to go to the bathroom and to have a snack.  He can't just seem to go
> down to the litterbox by himself and come quietly back to bed.  I just fall

Have you guys thought of building a small enclosure accessible with a
cat flap? That way Otis can come in and out at night (or early morning)
without you having to get up to let him out. It might be worthwhile
looking into that.

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Susan M - 07 Sep 2005 13:36 GMT
> Have you guys thought of building a small enclosure accessible with a cat
> flap? That way Otis can come in and out at night (or early morning)
> without you having to get up to let him out. It might be worthwhile
> looking into that.

Victor - that's exactly what I have planned as part of our renovation that
we're doing this spring.  The contractor and architect were a little
surprised but I think that its a must for Otis.  I hope that we can rig it
so that we can retain heat in the house in the winter though.  Hopefully we
can fully seal it up when it is brutally cold.

My concern though is that he'll get out there, go crazy because he can't get
out of the enclosure, and yowl outside and wake the neighbours.  I'm
serious.  I worry that he'll spend whole nights trying to dig himself out.
He's just an extremely lucky cat that he got me instead of some lukewarm cat
person.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Victor Martinez - 07 Sep 2005 13:52 GMT
> He's just an extremely lucky cat that he got me instead of some lukewarm cat
> person.

That he is. :)

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badwilson - 07 Sep 2005 12:55 GMT
> I've written ad nauseum about how Otis is keeping us up at night and
> I just can't stand it anymore.  He gets up most mornings between 4
> and 5 AM and yowls, claws the window screens, and also my face.  He
> seems to want to go outside to go to the bathroom and to have a
> snack.  He can't just seem to go down to the litterbox by himself
and
> come quietly back to bed.  I just fall back asleep when the alarm
> goes off.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> do it since Otis is such a strange creature.  On one hand, he's a
> velcro loving kitty passionate about being with his people.  OTOH,
if
> he doesn't get lots of slave-contact, he gets kind of wild pretty
> quickly.  I'm gone all day at the office and my husband isn't so
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Winter should calm him down a bit since he's less inclined to go want
> to go out when its -20 and tends to hide under the covers until
noon.
> I'm the only one in the city who can't wait for cold winter.
>
> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
> Whimpering

I'm sorry to hear that.  What a cat!  I haven't got any bright ideas
except a litterbox upstairs near the bedroom for him.  Many purrs for
it all to work out.
--
Britta
"There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown
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Susan M - 07 Sep 2005 13:37 GMT
> I'm sorry to hear that.  What a cat!  I haven't got any bright ideas
> except a litterbox upstairs near the bedroom for him.  Many purrs for
> it all to work out.

Thanks Britta - and he looked so calm and normal when you met him!  He spent
the night in the basement last night.  Only yowled for about an hour until
he settled down.  Poor little guy.  I slept right through last night though!

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Christina Websell - 07 Sep 2005 19:30 GMT
he looked so calm and normal when you met him!  He spent
> the night in the basement last night.  Only yowled for about an hour until
> he settled down.  Poor little guy.  I slept right through last night
> though!

I have always thought you were a saint for tolerating his behaviour.  He's
like a kitty with ADHD, and I'm afraid he'd have been in the basement long
ago if he'd disturbed my sleep like this.  Well done.

I don't allow my cats in the bedroom at night, I sleep badly enough as it
is.  They are perfectly happy downstairs.  They can open the door to the
stairs if they are determined enough.  BF will occasionally do so to come
upstairs at around 7 a.m. and enquire loudly outside my bedroom door whether
I realise I am late for work.  Otherwise they seem to know that it's out of
bounds.

Tweed
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Sep 2005 23:49 GMT
> I have always thought you were a saint for tolerating his behaviour.
> He's like a kitty with ADHD, and I'm afraid he'd have been in the
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>
> Tweed

I think the trick is to lock the cat(s) out before you go to bed.
People who say, "It's easy to train a cat not to scratch the door/make
noise/be obnoxious -- just grab them the instant they start and throw
them out!" must not share my sleep modes.  First I have to wake up
enough to realize that the reason I'm not sleeping well is because
Oscar is making noise.  Then I have to get up, attempt to grab a
non-cooperative, fully alert cat with superior night vision, keep said
cat in my arms, and carry her squirming body all the way down the
stairs, somehow getting her into the basement without causing her
bodily harm or allowing her to squirm back out the basement door.  And
of course the whole time she's wailing like I'm taking her to the
gallows.

Then as soon as I finally do get to sleep, DH starts to snore.  To add
insult to injury, in the morning he typically reveals that he wasn't
aware of any of the above because he slept soundly through it all.

Arrrgh!

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Susan M - 08 Sep 2005 01:47 GMT
"Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> I have always thought you were a saint for tolerating his behaviour.  He's
> like a kitty with ADHD, and I'm afraid he'd have been in the basement long
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> whether I realise I am late for work.  Otherwise they seem to know that
> it's out of bounds.

Thanks Tweed - I know it seems weird to have tolerated it so long but its
entirely true what I said about him getting kind of feral without *lots* of
human interaction.  Those few times he's been lost, he went feral almost
immediately and its been a miracle that I've been able to find him.  To
think that I've been 6 feet away from him, calling him, and he wouldn't come
out because he reverted to survival mode!  If those boys hadn't actually
seen him one of those times, I would have assumed he wasn't in the yard - it
wasn't until they swore he was behind the bushes and I climbed in that I saw
him.  Also, since I've been working, Fred hasn't been diligent enough about
feeding them regularly.  Otis decided to start hunting instead.  One night,
he came home with red legs, red cheeks, and a red chest.  I thought he was
hurt but he must have just eaten something kind of big.  Ugh.  So, that's
why I've slept with him.  He needs human companionship to tame him - and
then he's the biggest suck I've ever seen.  He's a cat of extremes ... but
then I'm a human of extremes too.  I kind of understand him ...

Susan M
Otis and Chester
badwilson - 08 Sep 2005 03:21 GMT
> "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
> message
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>> occasionally do so to come upstairs at around 7 a.m. and enquire
>> loudly outside my bedroom door whether I realise I am late for
work.
>> Otherwise they seem to know that it's out of bounds.
>
> Thanks Tweed - I know it seems weird to have tolerated it so long but
> its entirely true what I said about him getting kind of feral
without
> *lots* of human interaction.  Those few times he's been lost, he
went
> feral almost immediately and its been a miracle that I've been able
> to find him.  To think that I've been 6 feet away from him, calling
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> So, that's why I've slept with him.  He needs human companionship to
> tame him - and then he's the biggest suck I've ever seen.  He's a
cat
> of extremes ... but then I'm a human of extremes too.  I kind of
> understand him ...
>
> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

Hopefully Fred can do the regular feeding and also spend more time
interacting with him during the day, now that he's sleeping in the
basement.  I'm thinking that in order to make the new night time
arrangements work, something's gotta give during the day.
--
Britta
"There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown
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Susan M - 08 Sep 2005 03:35 GMT
> Hopefully Fred can do the regular feeding and also spend more time
> interacting with him during the day, now that he's sleeping in the
> basement.  I'm thinking that in order to make the new night time
> arrangements work, something's gotta give during the day.

Well said Britta.  We're also working on cooking ...

Susan M
Otis and Chester
badwilson - 08 Sep 2005 04:24 GMT
>> Hopefully Fred can do the regular feeding and also spend more time
>> interacting with him during the day, now that he's sleeping in the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

LOL!  Good luck :-)
--
Britta
"There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown
Check out pictures of Vino at:
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Takayuki - 10 Sep 2005 02:04 GMT
>Otis decided to start hunting instead.  One night,
>he came home with red legs, red cheeks, and a red chest.  I thought he was
>hurt but he must have just eaten something kind of big.  Ugh.

Wow!  I wonder what it was that he caught.  This reminds me so much of
the "Dogs in Elk" story.
kilikini - 07 Sep 2005 13:21 GMT
> I've written ad nauseum about how Otis is keeping us up at night and I just
> can't stand it anymore.  He gets up most mornings between 4 and 5 AM and
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Otis and Chester
> Whimpering

I've got a "monster" cat, too.  Zooming around at 1 in the morning, bouncing
off me.  I can relate.  Wish I had a suggestion other than closing the
bedroom door, but if yours is like mine, that won't work.  They claw at the
door which wakes you up as well.  Sigh.  I'm just learning to live with it.

kili
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 08 Sep 2005 19:43 GMT
> > I've written ad nauseum about how Otis is keeping us up at night and I
> just
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>
> kili

In my old place, I was asleep with b/f one night, with Otis crashed on
the bed.  B/f started the snoring (loud enough to wake the dead), then
the cat started too.  I put in ear plugs, ha ha, no bloody use.  So I
went in the other bedroom, put ear plugs in and shut the door.  Next
time I awoke to find the cat snoring on my new bed and now with the
doors both open I could again hear the b/f's nasal opera.  It's the
only time I've ever picked up the cat and literally thrown him out of
the room, I was so angry!  So what does he do?  Starts to dig up the
(new) carpets outside the room, at which point I have up and went for a
ciggie in the kitchen!
Enfilade - 07 Sep 2005 13:38 GMT
> I've written ad nauseum about how Otis is keeping us up at night and I just
> can't stand it anymore.

Wow.  That Otis is one crazy kitty...

Ours seem to be okay as long as someone is home half of the time...and
they dont' care if we're awake or asleep...they'll be leaning heavily
on me while DP is working shifts in the hospital.  But DP got them in
the summers when I was on military service.

Best of luck with Otis.

--Fil
PatM - 07 Sep 2005 16:40 GMT
{{{He spent the night in the basement last night.  Only yowled for
about an hour until
he settled down.  Poor little guy.  I slept right through last night
though!}}}

That's one determined kitty!!  I'm happy your night went as well as it
did.  No bright ideas...just sympathetic rumbles...:)

PatM
polonca12000 - 07 Sep 2005 22:24 GMT
You really need your sleep or you'll just exhaust yourself completely,
Susan.
Lots and lots of sleeping purrs and best wishes,
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> I've written ad nauseum about how Otis is keeping us up at night and I just
> can't stand it anymore.  He gets up most mornings between 4 and 5 AM and
> yowls, claws the window screens, and also my face.  He seems to want to go
> outside to go to the bathroom and to have a snack.  He can't just seem to go
> down to the litterbox by himself and come quietly back to bed.  I just fall
> back asleep when the alarm goes off.
<snip>
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 08 Sep 2005 19:38 GMT
> I've written ad nauseum about how Otis is keeping us up at night and I just
> can't stand it anymore.  He gets up most mornings between 4 and 5 AM and
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Otis and Chester
> Whimpering

My Otis is exactly the same, he's had to be banned to downstairs when I
go to bed as he has this habit of trying (successfully) to wake me up
at about 6.30am (I work lates and don't get up til 10am) by licking the
plastic bin bag in my rubbish bin.  Occasionally I don't realise he's
upstairs (hides in the loft), then he saunters in to wake me up, so
usually I hunt him out and lock him downstairs before I go to bed, he
has everything he needs there (apart from me of course) and has had to
learn to grin and bear it. He's got used to it and doesn't seem to mind
now, apart from when I have the audacity to pick him up off the loft
sofa to carry him downstairs, he hates being carried anywhere, destroys
his sense of "I'm in charge here". I have a downstairs bathroom and
usually when I go to the loo in the night he doesn't even bother me for
food now until it's actually daylight.  I was getting too tired as I'm
a very light sleeper anyway and it had to be done!

Marcia
 
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