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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / September 2005I, for one, ain't leaving!
I just read CatNipped's farewell post with rather a heavy heart. Such a nice lady; I wish she lived in Buffalo... While I have been a less frequent presence lately due to job constraints, I have been finding certain crosspostings/trollings in recent weeks to be thoroughly obnoxious. (Some little so-and-so got onto a thread not too long ago, from a person who had to put their kitty down, and said there is no God, no afterlife. A sick thing to say to a person who had just lost one who was vitally important in her life, if you ask me.) If someone does know how to killfile, do tell me so I can get rid of the little SOB. Because I'll stay here and ramble on and on about my cats just to spite the little devils. And I'll keep talking about God if the subject ever comes up, because otherwise I'll be giving these idiots a reason to send each other virtual high-fives. Oh, no. I'm even going to get some recipes to throw at them, and they'll be sorry, because most people don't like curry powder by the cupful like I do. My cats are better than some people out there, and I'll keep on saying it until there is no more breath behind my speech. And too bad if there are some jerkoffs who don't like it. I'm making my evil laugh now. You're stuck with me. Blessed be, Baha We love you, CatNipped, and hope you come back soon. -- Three thousand years ago, cats were deified in ancient Egypt. To this day, they have not forgotten. Do keep in mind that several of the trolls, etc are in fact a single person. It isn't like there is some organized group out to get us. I use Outlook Express. If I'm reading a message from someone I no longer wish to see messages from, I click Messages and then Block Sender. I can go into the block sender list and block entire ISP's if need be. Then there is always the option of just not reading anything they post. Works for me at least part of the time. Jo >I just read CatNipped's farewell post with rather a heavy heart. Such a >nice [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > cats were deified in ancient Egypt. > To this day, they have not forgotten. Yes, I do that too. I also mark cross-posted threads as read and skip them. Joy > Do keep in mind that several of the trolls, etc are in fact a single person. > It isn't like there is some organized group out to get us. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > cats were deified in ancient Egypt. > > To this day, they have not forgotten. > Do keep in mind that several of the trolls, etc are in fact a single person. > It isn't like there is some organized group out to get us. I hope I haven't come off like some paranoid conspiracy theorist who thinks that Al-Qaeda is parachuting into my bank at night to drain my funds--and yes, I did get a call once from some crackpot who thought that was happening. Do you mean that when I see a whole boatload of sender names on these threads, they're actually only one or two people hiding behind thirty-seven aliases? Blessed be, Baha Three thousand years ago, cats were deified in ancient Egypt. To this day, they have not forgotten. > > Do keep in mind that several of the trolls, etc are in fact a single > person. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > yes, I did get a call once from some crackpot who thought that was > happening. Well, *that* certainly explains what happened with *my* bank statement! > Do you mean that when I see a whole boatload of sender names on these > threads, they're actually only one or two people hiding behind thirty-seven > aliases? > > Blessed be, > Baha Yes. And when you see a member who starts posting *way* out of character for them, the header is forged, and it's not them at all. Sherry > > > Do keep in mind that several of the trolls, etc are in fact a single > > person. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Yes. And when you see a member who starts posting *way* out of > character for them, the header is forged, and it's not them at all. In general, I try to write distinctively. People tend to love or hate the engineering books I've written, as I use humor scattered through the details. In like manner, when I post about a health matter, I often go into details, perhaps as footnotes not to overwhelm. Indeed, I have been known to reach for the classics, or for assorted bizarre historical references. In newsgroups, this has a side benefit, because it's very hard to forge a series of posts that accurately convey style and specialized knowledge. I recommend letting your writing style be very personal. It's both more interesting and harder to forge. Baha, there are usually distinctive elements in your writing. Incidentally, there are techniques, and frankly I haven't the time to do them, to determine, with a high degree of confidence, if assorted messages are written by the same person. While these are most commonly used in national intelligence analyses, the basic methods are well known to people with academic background in linguistics. > > > Do keep in mind that several of the trolls, etc are in fact a single > > person. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Well, *that* certainly explains what happened with *my* bank statement! Oh -- apropos to that, MY answer to defeating al-Qaeda is to get them in the habit of using PowerPoint to plan and justify anything. >> > > Do keep in mind that several of the trolls, etc are in fact a single >> > person. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Oh -- apropos to that, MY answer to defeating al-Qaeda is to get them in >the habit of using PowerPoint to plan and justify anything. Power Point is the most evil of weapons. :P Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com <snip> > I can go into the block sender list and block entire ISP's if need be. How do you do that with Outlook Express?  SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > <snip> >> I can go into the block sender list and block entire ISP's if need be. > > How do you do that with Outlook Express? Tools Message Rules Block Senders List Add or Modify or Remove >> <snip> >>> I can go into the block sender list and block entire ISP's if need [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Block Senders List > Add or Modify or Remove Thanks, I hadn't noticed the modify part before. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>> <snip> >>>> I can go into the block sender list and block entire ISP's if need [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Thanks, I hadn't noticed the modify part before. I just have entirely too much time on my hands, thats all. Jo > <snip> > > I can go into the block sender list and block entire ISP's if need be. > > How do you do that with Outlook Express? It's very simple and it would help clear this group of the idiots if those of you who love to killfile would follow it, simply reach down and power down that computer, you can do it I know you can, then never never never turn it back on again, I promise you, you'll never see another post from any isp again. Farside: Hey Jim, do you think there are any bears in this cave? I don't know Bob, let's go check it out. >I just read CatNipped's farewell post with rather a heavy heart. Such a nice >lady; I wish she lived in Buffalo... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >God, no afterlife. A sick thing to say to a person who had just lost one who >was vitally important in her life, if you ask me.) It's like telling a kid who has just been to the dentist that there's no tooth fairy. >If someone does know how >to killfile, do tell me so I can get rid of the little SOB. Because I'll [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Baha >We love you, CatNipped, and hope you come back soon. Amen you wack-job. I'm glad you're here. I won't killfile you. Charlie . (Some little so-and-so got onto a thread not too long > >ago, from a person who had to put their kitty down, and said there is no > >God, no afterlife. A sick thing to say to a person who had just lost one who > >was vitally important in her life, if you ask me.) > > It's like telling a kid who has just been to the dentist that there's > no tooth fairy. It happens when I was 6 my pet rabbit died and I distinctly remember asking the Sunday School teacher that "Snowy died but he will go to Heaven won't he?" and getting a sharp reply of "No animals don't have souls!" Queered me on religion I can tell you Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > . (Some little so-and-so got onto a thread not too long >> >ago, from a person who had to put their kitty down, and said there is no [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Queered me on religion I can tell you I don't know where people get their notions, but according to Strong's concordance, the word "soul" is tranlisterated "psuche" (Strong's number 5590) and means: 1.. breath 1.. the breath of life 1.. the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing 1a 2.. of animals 1a 2.. of men 1.. life 2.. that in which there is life 1.. a living being, a living soul 3.. the soul 1.. the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.) 2.. the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life 3.. the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body) If an animal breaths, it has a soul. Animals may not be capable of "sin" but they do have souls. Also remember Isaiah 11:6: The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them. And if that doesn't say that there will be animals in heaven, nothing does! I can't possibly imagine a loving God (of any religion) that wouldn't let animals into the afterlife. Come to think of it, I don't want to *go* to the afterlife if its just people. How utterly boring! (this reminds of that story where a person and their pet dies, and he walks along, goes past a farm and comes up to these great pearly gates. Asks the guy at the door for a drink for himself and his pet before entering heaven, and hte guy at hte door says the place doesn't take pets. So the guy says "sod that", and turns round. Going past the farm again, he sees a well and a beat up old bowl near it. Stops, draws water for himself and fills the bowl for his pet, and they both drink. An kindly gentlmen comes up to chat, and the guy asks him where heaven is. They old bloke laughs and say "you're here". And the guy says "what about the pearly gates?". "Oh, thats just a facade to impess the shallow. Anyone who would deny their pet a place in Heaven *deserves* to be there". There are *much* better re-tellings than this short summary, but you get the picture) Yowie > I can't possibly imagine a loving God (of any religion) that wouldn't let > animals into the afterlife. Come to think of it, I don't want to *go* to the > afterlife if its just people. How utterly boring! I alwalys hated it when people got into arguments over whether or not animals had souls. *I* don't know whether animals have souls or not, in the understanding of the word as I was taught. But here's what I *do* know. And I know this just as well as I know my own name. You can take this to the bank. The God that I worship is a loving God, and He wants us to be happy. It would be just like Him to let us have our beloved pets back in Heaven. I believe that. In fact, I'm *counting* on it! Sherry AMEN!!! > > I can't possibly imagine a loving God (of any religion) that wouldn't let > > animals into the afterlife. Come to think of it, I don't want to *go* to the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sherry >> I can't possibly imagine a loving God (of any religion) that wouldn't let >> animals into the afterlife. Come to think of it, I don't want to *go* to the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >would be just like Him to let us have our beloved pets back in Heaven. >I believe that. In fact, I'm *counting* on it! God is what he is, if he exists, which seems dubious. What you worship is your own thing, but it has no bearing on what really exists. You can fantasize about rainbow bridges where you will be happily reunited with your pets, but this, again, comes back to a good reason why perhaps you folks should move to a moderated bulletin board. You invite ridicule with your fairy tale view of the world. You aren't up to the test of living in a free society. You need a benevolent dictator. Maybe Ed Williams would take you in on his petloss.com server. Charlie > God is what he is, if he exists, which seems dubious. What you > worship is your own thing, but it has no bearing on what really > exists. I am a believer. While I may speak of a supreme being, it is not my place to push my methods of worship onto others, nor to condemn if they do not believe as I do. There are atheists in this world with higher moral standards than many I know who call themselves Christian. > You can fantasize about rainbow bridges where you will be happily > reunited with your pets, but this, again, comes back to a good reason > why perhaps you folks should move to a moderated bulletin board. In an earlier post you likened a person who has lost a beloved pet being told there is no afterlife to the state of a child who had been told there is no tooth fairy after a trip to the dentist. I don't think it is quite like that. I take care of my teeth for the sake of my body's overall health, but I don't have a relationship with them. I don't play with my teeth, pet my teeth, or get through a very nasty day at work by thinking how good it will be to go home so I can have some nice relaxing time with my bicuspids. If a person loses a being who is dear to them, whether it be a human or animal being, it may be a good thing for them to have those comforting mental images. Some say that funerals are for the benefit of the living more so than the dead. We need to know that there is more to the departed being than a mass of lifeless tissues; we need that bit of hope and comfort that friends can provide, and a better mental image than that of a vet's office, with a needle going into a cherished pet's vein. At least most of us do, and if I've done someone a good turn for it, good for them. Maybe they'll have one fewer nightmare for it. It is your business to believe or not in God and an afterlife, and not my place to judge or exclude you. In fact, I don't think I've ever pointed a finger at you specifically, to trash you for any reason. It is not in my nature to be exclusivist. Blessed be, Baha >> God is what he is, if he exists, which seems dubious. What you >> worship is your own thing, but it has no bearing on what really [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >finger at you specifically, to trash you for any reason. It is not in my >nature to be exclusivist. No, you have not. Nor do I disagree with what you say above. People come in here beside themselves over losing a pet, and it would be cruel to taunt them with a theological critique. I don't think I have ever stooped to that behavior. However, when the subject arises outside the context of someone's personal grief, it becomes a fair platform for commentary, to my mind. Charlie >> . (Some little so-and-so got onto a thread not too long >>> >ago, from a person who had to put their kitty down, and said there is no [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > >Yowie I love that story. In the version I know, St. Peter says that the place that doesn't take pets is hell. :P Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > > . (Some little so-and-so got onto a thread not too long > >> >ago, from a person who had to put their kitty down, and said there is no [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > Yowie Now that's a nice story!!! I wouldn't want to be in a place where I could not spend eternity with my beloved creatures. I call to mind the people in New Orleans who were denied shelter because they had cats, and left with their animals rather than turn them loose. My husband told me later that this couple was found, safe with their pets, and taken out of the city by kindly strangers who were evacuating, proving to me that when one is selfless for those who have no other means of survival, karma or God or whatever you want to call the higher power provides. Blessed be, Baha Wackjob. Got the papers to prove it. Very happy with it. > > . (Some little so-and-so got onto a thread not too long > >> >ago, from a person who had to put their kitty down, and said there is no [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > Yowie Much apologies bringing religion into the group. I *know* there are more than just the Christian faith out there (I'm one of them! Eclectic Christan Pagan Whatever) All I wanted to do was point out that t least in the Christina religion (I don't know about others) there seems no justification to claim animals aren't going to be in the afterlife. I'm glad the folks in here still have the same maturity as ever and have not used the mention of religion as an oppurtinity to flam but rather as an oppurtunity to learn about other people's cultures and beliefs. Thanks guys. Yowie. PS- those who adhere to a faith other thn Christianity - what does your religion teach about animals and hte afterlife? I don't think Wicca makes a strong stand either way... >Much apologies bringing religion into the group. I *know* there are more >than just the Christian faith out there (I'm one of them! Eclectic Christan >Pagan Whatever) But don't we have an official RCPA State Church? The Church of the Electric Muumuu or something like that? ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > But don't we have an official RCPA State Church? The Church of the > Electric Muumuu or something like that? ;) Church of the Porcelain Three-Three??? Cheers, helen s > Church of the Porcelain Three-Three??? > > Cheers, helen s Isn't it time to make David Yedduha a saint, demi-god or something like that. It is only appropriate since he was one of the founding members of the "church". Diane >> Church of the Porcelain Three-Three??? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Diane A t-shirt, at least. ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > >Isn't it time to make David Yedduha a saint, demi-god or something like > >that. It is only appropriate since he was one of the founding members of > >the "church". > > > A t-shirt, at least. ;) Now that is an idea, we could send the proceeds to Patty or something. Diane > >Isn't it time to make David Yedduha a saint, demi-god or something like > >that. It is only appropriate since he was one of the founding members of > >the "church". > > > A t-shirt, at least. ;) Now that is an idea, we could send the proceeds to Patty or something. Diane ==================================== I wonder how Patty is doing? Suz > PS- those who adhere to a faith other thn Christianity - what does your > religion teach about animals and hte afterlife? I don't think Wicca makes a > strong stand either way... Back when I practiced Wicca I didn't find anything approaching an "official teaching" on the subject. But then I was a Solitary practicing with the help of a bunch of books. Now that I've drifted off to a form of Celtic Paganism, the only authority on what I believe is me. And in my official theology, animals definitely go to the same place we do! Dan >>PS- those who adhere to a faith other thn Christianity - what does your >>religion teach about animals and hte afterlife? I don't think Wicca makes a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > on what I believe is me. And in my official theology, animals definitely > go to the same place we do! I've never questioned whether animals have souls (reagardless of what the religion I was born into teaches), although I admit I DO wonder whether some humans have! > Dan > >>PS- those who adhere to a faith other thn Christianity - what does your > >>religion teach about animals and hte afterlife? I don't think Wicca makes a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > "official teaching" on the subject. But then I was a Solitary practicing > > with the help of a bunch of books. Well, Wicca has only a few official teachings, and most of them center around an idea that the earth and its creatures are holy, that all living things are interconnected, that what you do affects all the other living things around you, etc. And to me, to see the earth and its creatures as holy, and humans as holy, well that implies to me we all have souls, and we're all made of the same magick, as it were. So I figure that whatever's on the Other Side, there will most assuredly be cats there. --Fil > > >>PS- those who adhere to a faith other thn Christianity - what does your > > >>religion teach about animals and hte afterlife? I don't think Wicca makes a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > --Fil There had better be, or I ain't going! Joy > > PS- those who adhere to a faith other thn Christianity - what does your > > religion teach about animals and hte afterlife? I don't think Wicca makes a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Dan I bet you form little services just to pass around the collection plate. >> PS- those who adhere to a faith other thn Christianity - what does your >> religion teach about animals and hte afterlife? I don't think Wicca makes a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Dan For those who don't know how Celtic Paganism is practiced, here is an introduction: http://www.weirdcrap.com/chick/index.html Charlie Please use OT when posting dribble! Read the FAQ lol, oh right it's a charter, right Sherry? > Much apologies bringing religion into the group. I *know* there are more > than just the Christian faith out there (I'm one of them! Eclectic Christan [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > religion teach about animals and hte afterlife? I don't think Wicca makes a > strong stand either way... > PS- those who adhere to a faith other thn Christianity - what does your > religion teach about animals and hte afterlife? I don't think Wicca makes a > strong stand either way...// I'm not Christian. My belief system is that death is only the beginning of another journey and that all that has happened is that the loved one has moved into a different plane of existence. They are still present in your life, and they are still around, albeit not in visible form. I've actually (I believe) experienced this theory directly on more than one occasion. I live in a house which has been in my family for 70 years. My dad grew up here as a boy, my grandad died in his workshop at the back of the house in 1986 from a heart attack, and my gran died 3 years ago. I still go into my grandfathers workshop on a regular basis and get a very, very strong smell of pipe tobacco on occasion. It's not just my imagination, because my brother and BF have smelled it too, and on different occasions. There is no way that *ANYONE* has been in the workshop smoking a pipe, and it's been redecorated, painted, cleared out, cleaned, used for other things in the last 20 years since my grandad died. At the top of the stairs in the house, I quite often get a very strong wiff of lavender scent - it's very distinctive, and is the same smell of the stuff my grandma used to use. I don't use any lavender at all in the house *anywhere*. I acknowledge either my gran or grandad when I "smell" them, and sometimes the smell lingers, other times it immediately disapears. My brother has experienced the same thing independently of me, several times. I've also had direct contact with RB animals. For months after he died, Sir William still got on my bed everynight and purred. He did it until the day I was ready to let him go and scattered his ashes. Think what you will. Helen M > > PS- those who adhere to a faith other thn Christianity - what does > > your religion teach about animals and hte afterlife? I don't think > > Wicca makes a strong stand either way...// I consider myself a Christian (perhaps not a very good one and if God hasn't got a sense of humour I'm in trouble) so I hope you don't mind me butting in here. I do believe that Animals have a soul and an afterlife. A friend at work (we've worked together for about 25 years) had to have her horse Bracken,(she'd had him since he'd been born) put to sleep last November. Also her Mother died May 1st this year, one day before Sophie died. About two months ago we were working away when, out of the blue she asked if I really did think that there was an afterlife for animals. I said that as they loved, they had souls and therefore did have an afterlife. This lady is not at all religious and although her question surprised me at the time, she my answer as reasonable and accepted it. It is perhaps more surprising that she didn't ask me about humans with regard to her mother but as people around her already accepted she did have an afterlife she didn't need to ask. But she was obviously worried about Bracken. She did say that if Sweep and Sophie were there she hoped they didn't worry Bracken (who was a very big horse) as he was afraid of cats. This made us both smile. Judith PS One night when I was very upset about Sophie (even though she'd been gone 6 weeks or so) I had a dream about her playing with her favourite toy and looking up at me. It was as if she were telling me was all right now. The next day I saw a beautiful rainbow and I felt a little happier thinking that, having reassured me, she was now moving over the Rainbow Bridge. Judith SignatureJudith Latham Stourbridge, West Midlands. UK. >I'm not Christian. My belief system is that death is only the beginning >of another journey and that all that has happened is that the loved one >has moved into a different plane of existence. They are still present in >your life, and they are still around, albeit not in visible form. I like the beginning of the journey part, but if they're still around you but invisible, isn't that sort of scary? > >I'm not Christian. My belief system is that death is only the beginning > >of another journey and that all that has happened is that the loved one [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I like the beginning of the journey part, but if they're still around > you but invisible, isn't that sort of scary? I'm not scared of dead people. It's the living who can do the real harm. Blessed be, Baha > I'm not scared of dead people. It's the living who can do the real harm. You haven't seen enough scary movies then!!! ;-) Seriously, you're absolutely right. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> I'm not scared of dead people. It's the living who can do the real >> harm. > > You haven't seen enough scary movies then!!! ;-) "They're heeeear!" :) Poltergeist (the first one) is still absolutely one of my favourite scary movies of all time. >>> I'm not scared of dead people. It's the living who can do the real >>> harm. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >"They're heeeear!" :) Poltergeist (the first one) is still absolutely one >of my favourite scary movies of all time. Q. What do you call a chickent that comes flying out of your TV? A. A poultrygeist. ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > > >I'm not Christian. My belief system is that death is only the > > >beginning of another journey and that all that has happened is that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I like the beginning of the journey part, but if they're still around > > you but invisible, isn't that sort of scary? > I'm not scared of dead people. It's the living who can do the real harm. > Blessed be, > Baha My sentiments too. I've never been hurt by a dead person but alive ones... well.... Judith SignatureJudith Latham Stourbridge, West Midlands. UK. >>loved one >>has moved into a different plane of existence. They are still present in >>your life, and they are still around, albeit not in visible form. > >I like the beginning of the journey part, but if they're still around >you but invisible, isn't that sort of scary? Gee, I don't think "ghosts" are scary. I know *mine* aren't. I very often feel a "presence" watching me and "advising." My husband never once hurt me, physically or verbally, in our life together; why would he be hostile now? Nothing to fear - in fact, a delight and a happy occasion when he is near. :) :) :) :) Jeanne >>> loved one >>> has moved into a different plane of existence. They are still [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Jeanne True, but you knew your husband! Try moving into a place with a "ghost" you don't know ;) Jill > >>> loved one > >>> has moved into a different plane of existence. They are still [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Jill That's actually kind of fun. Well, actually, I believe I'm running 50% on "something" in a house. One home in Maine terrified me (and our dogs at the time). We lived there for less than a year I think, and I hated it! I remember one year having a huge snowstorm. Dumped something like 12 inches of snow overnight (and collapsed the roof on the screened patio). I kept hearing something scratching at my windows (one was West Facing the other South Facing). Next morning, we went out to clear some paths through the snow, and there was 2 or 3 foot wide "path" all the way around the house, that looked "walked" down, but no path out from it (no roof overhang to explain it, the snow was drifted up pretty high (maybe 2 feet high) at the front of the house (West Facing), outside that path. Beautiful place, had been in one of those decorator magazines, but there was "something" there. The house we moved into after that, had a very nice "something". Always thought it was the skeleton we found bricked up in a closet (yep, it was removed and given a "decent" burial, but our friend never left while we were there). He helped looked after the house, like "warning" me that my brother had left the burner on our electric stove/oven on high when he'd left the house (he lit his cigarette on it), and about an hour later, the kitchen was so hot I think it was getting ready to "flash over". But the "something" knocked on my bedroom door, and "led" me down the stairs (by creaking boards, and opening and closing doors so I'd investigate) to the kitchen. The animals always "saw" something in this house, and they were very comfortable with it (looking up into "nothing" and wagging their tails and "smiling"). Since they were comfy with it, so were we. Just like the cats "see" somthing here down the hall way. Don't know who/what it is, but they don't seem upset by it, so I'm not. Smokie Darling (Annie) > The house we moved into after that, had a very nice "something". > Always thought it was the skeleton we found bricked up in a closet > (yep, it was removed and given a "decent" burial, but our friend never > left while we were there). snipped WHAT??!!! You found a human skeleton bricked up in your closet? How long ago was it put there? Did you ever find out who it was? Sherry > > The house we moved into after that, had a very nice "something". > > Always thought it was the skeleton we found bricked up in a closet [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Sherry Well, we found him in '85. The police figure he'd been in there for a long, long time (there was only bones and some clothing, nothing "wet"), probably at least 100 years (the house was 150 years old - give or take 20 yeears or so). No idea who he was, but he watched over the house. We knew, of course, that something was in the wall, every August you would get this horrific smell (and it just wasn't possible, you know, I mean, there was nothing there to *smell* anymore). No one wanted to be in that bedroom during the summer, even though it was the coolest in the house. Smokie Darling (Annie) - sorry for the late reply, I've been a bit pre-occupied the last few days. > The house we moved into after that, had a very nice "something". > Always thought it was the skeleton we found bricked up in a closet > (yep, it was removed and given a "decent" burial, but our friend never > left while we were there). Oh my. I don't know if I could live in a house where I'd found a skeleton. I thought it was bad that we found a discarded snake skin behind the dresser when we moved into this house! But a human skeleton?!? Uh uh. This actually reminds me of a story I read in Saturday's Bangkok Post. Apparently they are putting up some sort of statue in Phuket which is supposed to drive off all the ghosts of the people who died in the Tsunami. Asians really believe in ghosts and are always scared of them. So tourism from Japan, Korea, etc... has dropped to almost zero in the region because of the fear of Tsunami victim ghosts. This is killing the economy, etc. Hopefully the statue will help matters. -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > > The house we moved into after that, had a very nice "something". > > Always thought it was the skeleton we found bricked up in a closet [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > behind the dresser when we moved into this house! But a human > skeleton?!? Uh uh. Well, when we moved in, we didn't know that he was there, and we moved in November, so we missed his August "visits". I always wondered (until we "noticed" him after the first month) why the rent was so cheap ($300 per month, house had a full basement, full ground and second floors, and an attic that ran the whole length and width of the house). Of course, my favorite thing (aside from whatever it was) was the "front" door on the second floor, I just loved walking out that door in the winter (beat having to shovel all that snow). > This actually reminds me of a story I read in Saturday's Bangkok Post. > Apparently they are putting up some sort of statue in Phuket which is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Check out pictures of Vino at: > http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album There are beliefs by alot of cultures in the "residue" (for lack of better word) of those passed. Most view them with fear, but some view the "residue" as a comfort, knowing their ancestors are watching over them. Smokie Darling (Annie) >>>> loved one >>>> has moved into a different plane of existence. They are still [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Jill Oh. I thought we were talking about "loved ones" and people we do know. I think even "strangers" would be more benign, I doubt most are Amityville types. :):) jbh >>>>> loved one >>>>> has moved into a different plane of existence. They are still [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > jbh Well, we were. But I moved into a place once, very short term, with a rather scary ghost type. From the sound of the bootsteps on the hardwood floor, he was a big guy and he always let the wooden screen door slam. I'm guessing he didn't wipe off his boots before he came in, either ;) I never had a good feeling about being in that place by myself. It felt malevolent rather than benevolent. Jill > . (Some little so-and-so got onto a thread not too long >>> ago, from a person who had to put their kitty down, and said there [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs My first experience with a pet, I was probably 2 years old (I base this on where we lived at the time, Woodbridge, VA). My oldest brother found a parakeet down by the creek in the back yard and brought it home. It's beak was broken (I remember that well enough) and one wing was torn. He named him Robinson Caruso. Mom got a cage for the bird and together they nursed it back to health. Then one morning Mom was upstairs and I was in the basement where the bird was. I said, "Mommy, the birdie is sleeping." Uh oh. The birdie was, indeed, dead. Mom didn't make any pretext of the bird going to heaven, but she comforted me and said it was dead. She waited until my brother Paul got home from school, told him about the bird and they had a birdie burial in a shoe box down by the creek where he was found. That's spiritual enough for me. Jill > > . (Some little so-and-so got onto a thread not too long > >>> ago, from a person who had to put their kitty down, and said there [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Jill My partner is atheist as is his ex-wife. Their son found a dead pigeon on the balcony that Otis had shredded. I said that to him that the pigeon had gone to heaven, he folded his arms over his chest, rolled his eyes up and said "Don't be daft, Superman took him!" > My partner is atheist as is his ex-wife. Their son found a dead pigeon > on the balcony that Otis had shredded. I said that to him that the > pigeon had gone to heaven, he folded his arms over his chest, rolled > his eyes up and said "Don't be daft, Superman took him!" ROFL! SignatureMarina, Frank, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > It happens when I was 6 my pet rabbit died and I distinctly remember > asking the Sunday School teacher that "Snowy died but he will go to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs "I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it." - Abraham Lincoln Any place that doesn't house the souls of the dogs and cats that have gone on before me wouldn't qualify as heaven. Dan > > It happens when I was 6 my pet rabbit died and I distinctly remember > > asking the Sunday School teacher that "Snowy died but he will go to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Dan Well said! I want to know my cats will be there, too, waiting to rub against my legs and trip me up with the most loving intentions possible. Love the story of the pearly gates being a facade for the shallow. =o) Who'd want to be in Heaven, if heaven acts like a pet-unfriendly motel? I'll also want to see Pippin there. He was our family dog when I was growing up. Melissa Melissa > It happens when I was 6 my pet rabbit died and I distinctly remember > asking the Sunday School teacher that "Snowy died but he will go to > Heaven won't he?" and getting a sharp reply of "No animals don't have > souls!" > > Queered me on religion I can tell you I'm with you. "If there ain't no animals in Heaven, I ain't going!" > I'm with you. "If there ain't no animals in Heaven, I ain't > going!" Well, being Pagan, I'm not entirely sure there is a Heaven. I don't take mythology literally--not the Greek Myths, not the Bible and not the Rainbow Bridge. What I take out of that story is "animals and people are going to the same place when we die" and that's something I've always believed from childhood on. As for Heaven--or Hell--that's ours to make right here on Earth. And I know that having four cats piled around me in bed is my idea of Heaven. --Fil >>I'm with you. "If there ain't no animals in Heaven, I ain't >>going!" > > Well, being Pagan, I'm not entirely sure there is a Heaven. I use the term generically - "Elysian Fields", "Valhalla", whatever - take your pick. > I just read CatNipped's farewell post with rather a heavy heart. Such a nice > lady; I wish she lived in Buffalo... [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Baha > We love you, CatNipped, and hope you come back soon. I love Catnipped too. Unfortunately she is way too gullible. Be a little more circumspect. >because otherwise I'll be giving these idiots a reason to send each other >virtual high-fives. Oh, no. I'm even going to get some recipes to throw at >them, and they'll be sorry, because most people don't like curry powder by >the cupful like I do. I do I do!! Send your recipes to me!!! *yum* >My cats are better than some people out there, and I'll keep on saying it >until there is no more breath behind my speech. And too bad if there are >some jerkoffs who don't like it. I'm making my evil laugh now. You're stuck >with me. I used to say that the only man in my life had 4 paws and fur, but Fin's gone now, and Rita's a girl. Now the great love of my life is my DVR. lol Jane - owned and operated by Princess Rita > I just read CatNipped's farewell post with rather a heavy heart. Such a nice > lady; I wish she lived in Buffalo... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > was vitally important in her life, if you ask me.) If someone does know how > to killfile, do tell me so I can get rid of the little SOB. Depends upon your browser. With Netscape, when you're in the newsgroup (reading, not replying), click on "Tools" at the top of your screen, select "Message Filters", "New" then use the drop-down menus to choose "Sender" and "is" or "contains", enter the troll's address and tell it either "mark message read" (which leaves them on your screen, if you want to refer to themt, but won't automatically bring any of them up when you click "next") or "delete message" (which will keep all that troll's posts off your screen entirely). > Depends upon your browser. With Netscape, when you're in the newsgroup > (reading, not replying), click on "Tools" at the top of your screen, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > click "next") or "delete message" (which will keep all that troll's posts > off your screen entirely). With OE, you just click on 'message' on the menu bar & choose 'bloack sender' from the drop down menu. You can also create rules from 'create rule from message' - just follow the instructions which appear. Cheers, helen s > While I have been a less frequent presence lately due to job constraints, I > have been finding certain crosspostings/trollings in recent weeks to be > thoroughly obnoxious. (Some little so-and-so got onto a thread not too long > ago, from a person who had to put their kitty down, and said there is no > God, no afterlife. A sick thing to say to a person who had just lost one who > was vitally important in her life, if you ask me.) I hope you don't mean me. I know that I posted a while back that *I* don't believe in an afterlife (or indeed a god), but that was in connection with my own Nikki's death. However, I would never tell another person what they can or cannot believe. SignatureMarina, Frank, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki NO!!! Hell, no! The person in question was responding to a post I had made to a person who had lost a cat, and his/her/whatever manner was flippant, condescending and downright cruel. It's one thing not to believe in a God or afterlife, or at least to doubt. But you have never taunted a person who does believe. I'm sorry if I caused you to think I'd ever trash you. Hell no! Blessed be, Baha > > While I have been a less frequent presence lately due to job constraints, I > > have been finding certain crosspostings/trollings in recent weeks to be [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ > and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki |
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