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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / September 2005Reclaiming RPCA
ATTENTION REGULAR RPCA POSTERS: We must get our group back! The calm oasis in the turbulent waters of usenet that we all came to know and love. The group of friends who supported each other and told each other stories about our cats and our lives. The place where people could come and share their problems and would find a support network. There is only one way to do this, but we must ALL do it in order to succeed. IGNORE THE TROLLS It's that simple! Don't reply to them. Ever. No matter how much they make your blood boil. Ignore them. They will go away. I've been on usenet for over a decade and this strategy always works. If we all ignore them it's as if they weren't here. Let's not let hatred win. Victor, owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven Victor M <pistorin@gmail.com> skrev i diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:1125515659.961626.294550@o13g2000cwo.googlegrou ps.com... | ATTENTION REGULAR RPCA POSTERS: | [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] | | Victor, owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven Victor, you've got a recipe for chicken with "chocolate"/cacao sauce? or ideas of where to find one? you suppose I can manage to make it taste anything like the real stuff I once had in Oaxaca? =) well said - and food and chocolate will always be on topic here .. Best Lena -- lewe ------------------------------------------------------------------------- lewemi at yahoo dot se | cat pics: photos.yahoo.com/lewemi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Victor, >you've got a recipe for chicken with "chocolate"/cacao sauce? or ideas of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Lena >-- FUCKIN' TROLL -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ATTENTION SANE PEOPLE The loons think they OWN this group. They want to live in happyland and have taken this group totally off topic. The group of friends who supported each other should take their whining to an approptiate mental health group. They think that this is "The place where people could come and share their problems and would find a support network." Tell them to take it to a support group, THIS GROUP IS ABOUT CATS. There is only one way to do this, but we must ALL do it in order to succeed. KEEP CHANGING YOUR HEADERS It's that simple! Don't let them whine without a challenge. Ever. No matter how much they piss and moan about their depression. Challenge them. They will OD on Prozac. I've been on usenet for over a decade and this strategy always works. If we all challenge them it's as if they are expected to make sense. Let's not let stupidity win. "Nomen", controlled, and dictated to, by nobody. Especially in an "Open" forum. Go start a BLOG for the loons! Not looking for a war, but I will shoot back when attacked. > KEEP CHANGING YOUR HEADERS And use anonymizers, and otherwise continue to demonstrate your cowardice. Of course, when this is detected, and someone of sufficient experience breaks anonymity, the spineless ones may need to find a new posting medium after they've been ousted. Feel up to confronting? My ID isn't hidden. Go ahead. Make my day. > It's that simple! Don't let them whine without a challenge. Ever. > No matter how much they piss and moan about their depression. > Challenge them. They will OD on Prozac. I've been on > usenet for over a decade and this strategy always works. If we all > challenge them it's as if they are expected to make sense. Let's not > let stupidity win. >> KEEP CHANGING YOUR HEADERS > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Feel up to confronting? My ID isn't hidden. Go ahead. Make my day. I have a better idea, Howard. Why don't you go to a moderated cat forum? Your zeal for confrontation is a problem, not a solution. A number of people in these cat groups have demonstrated that they will take flame wars to another level, with obnoxious phone calls and emails to people's family and associates. The Karma post was the ultimate example - a nice piece of work, by the warped and self-serving standards of RPCA, but an indication to the rest of the world that this group is full of wannabe thugs who think they have a license to harrass people in real life. If you wanna play that way, you're gonna get a lot of anonymized socks. It's YOUR choice. Charlie >> It's that simple! Don't let them whine without a challenge. Ever. >> No matter how much they piss and moan about their depression. >> Challenge them. They will OD on Prozac. I've been on >> usenet for over a decade and this strategy always works. If we all >> challenge them it's as if they are expected to make sense. Let's not >> let stupidity win. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com> >And use anonymizers, and otherwise continue to demonstrate your >cowardice. Oh Howard, you're so cool. I want to be just like you if I ever get a lobotomy. And BTW, I sign all my posts so I'm hardly "Anonymous". Everything I write is identified as being from me, Only fools leave a trail of bread crumbs to their door when posting on Usenet. >Of course, when this is detected, and someone of sufficient >experience breaks anonymity, the spineless ones may need to find a new >posting medium after they've been ousted. Nobody short of the NSA could track me down. And even if they could (which is doubtful), they'd never reveal that they had that capability. >Feel up to confronting? My ID isn't hidden. Nah. I never kick Hebrew a.s. They are all related to lawyers. :) > Go ahead. Make my day. Well, at least you didn't say "Do you feel lucky, Punk!" You do realize that you're a Troll. Don't you, Howie? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Oh Howard, you're so cool. I want to be just like you if > I ever get a lobotomy. No, I'm afraid you don't appear to have the remaining brain capacity to do that. > And BTW, I sign all my posts so I'm hardly "Anonymous". A handle or a PGP signature is not a signature. Signatures enforce responsibility for actions. > Everything I write is identified as being from me, > Only fools leave a trail of bread crumbs to their door when > posting on Usenet. Fools? I've been using true names for twenty years or so, and never had significant problems. I use decent spam software. > >Of course, when this is detected, and someone of sufficient > >experience breaks anonymity, the spineless ones may need to find a new [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > could (which is doubtful), they'd never reveal that they had that > capability. Oh, you might be surprised. Hint: have I seen you at IETF meetings? > >Feel up to confronting? My ID isn't hidden. > > Nah. I never kick Hebrew a.s. They are all related to > lawyers. :) Hebrew? But it's interesting that you bring up lawyers. Is that an admission you are aware you are on the edge of illegality? > > Go ahead. Make my day. > > Well, at least you didn't say "Do you feel lucky, Punk!" > > You do realize that you're a Troll. Don't you, Howie? I realize I am not a troll. I realize you are a coward who might not be as brave if they had to stand in the glare of the sun, after crawling out from under the rock of anonymity. >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > No, I'm afraid you don't appear to have the remaining brain capacity > to do that. Howard, please ignore the baitings or at least don't encourage them. Some of us are trying to get rid of this tripe on rpca. Thanks. Jill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> >Howard, please ignore the baitings or at least don't encourage them. Some >of us are trying to get rid of this tripe on rpca. Thanks. Um, Gee, I think this thread started with Victor M doing a little bit of trolling. The rest is just a response to his attempt to stir things up. He seems to be a very accomplished troll, judged by the number of responses. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- <f2keh1h6buumtq0r4jbte291pugjo94pvc@4ax.com> >In the Amish communities in the US, there is a practice called >"shunning" when a member has been a problem. No one speaks to the >shunned one or acknowledges his/her existence. I suggest we take up >the practice, here and now. > >Ginger-lyn I've seen that done in grade school, also. I'm beginning to think that the "regulars" here just get their kicks out of being nasty to "outsiders". Especially if they don't fall in line with their "clique" mentality. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Especially if they don't fall in line with their "clique" > mentality. People do this in lots of newsgroups. rec.gardens.roses was a prime example. :) It's different now. > <f2keh1h6buumtq0r4jbte291pugjo94pvc@4ax.com> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > >Ginger-lyn Awww while we're at it let's give them all wedgies... that ought to be real fun! > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jill just add him to your killfile, you know the routine by now.. you're a Usenet nazi ... imo (heading off legal issues here, I cannot be cited for voicing my opinion >> KEEP CHANGING YOUR HEADERS > >And use anonymizers, and otherwise continue to demonstrate your >cowardice. Of course, when this is detected, and someone of sufficient >experience breaks anonymity, the spineless ones may need to find a new >posting medium after they've been ousted. Bored now. >Feel up to confronting? Oh, Okay. >My ID isn't hidden. Is there a point there somewhere? >Go ahead. I'll try...Hmmmm...Lets see. I've been on RPCA since, well, forever <g> but have made very few posts comparative to the regulars here. In fact I will have made less than you yet, for the most part, they have been about cats or anecdotes about cats. You'll be able to see some in the archives, if you wished, as they usually received replys. Where are yours? It's strange Howard that you are the only one who has ever made me feel in any way unwelcome here or in any of the cat groups I've posted to. This I can dismiss cos you're sort of a newb, very naive and talk bollocks. (1) >Make my day. Your diatribe notwithstanding, are you happy now? Miaow (1) Nygubhtu guvf fhoabgr pbzcyrgryl artngrf nal irenpvgl be fvaprevgl gb zl svefg nggrzcg gb vafhyg nalbar ba gur Hfrarg. Ubj'q V qb? > >> KEEP CHANGING YOUR HEADERS > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bored now. > >Feel up to confronting? > > Oh, Okay. > > >My ID isn't hidden. Are you now stating that Sumkatz is F.U. Wackos? > Is there a point there somewhere? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > able to see some in the archives, if you wished, as they usually received > replys. Where are yours? I suspect you will find several hundred, especially dealing with medical issues, but commenting on others, as well as discussing the antics of Rhonda, Ding, Mr. Clark, Clifford (RB) and Chatterley (RB). Apparently, your archive search skill isn't up to your claimes. > It's strange Howard that you are the only one who has ever made me feel > in any > way unwelcome here or in any of the cat groups I've posted to. This I can > dismiss cos you're sort of a newb, very naive and talk bollocks. (1) Fine. Dismiss yourself. Oh, I am impressed with my powers. > >Make my day. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > svefg nggrzcg gb vafhyg nalbar ba gur Hfrarg. > Ubj'q V qb? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com> >Are you now stating that Sumkatz is F.U. Wackos? NO! Einstein. I change names, I change remailers. But I always sign my posts. "Sumkatz" is just someone else that seems to think you're a dick. >Oh, I am impressed with my powers. That's obvious. Is anyone else? >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi Sock Puppet! Let's take a look at your message headers, shall we? Author-Supplied-Address: nobody <AT> dizum <DOT> com Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at <abuse@dizum.com>. Now be a good boy and go away, else we're going to have to start laughing at your pathetic trolling attempts in public Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha ============ http://www.jhedge.com > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > ============ > http://www.jhedge.com Jeanne. Could you please try to be an idiot a bit more quietly? There's the girl. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: Jeanne Hedge <jhedge@rcn.com> >Hi Sock Puppet! Let's take a look at your message headers, shall we? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Please report problems or inappropriate use to the > remailer administrator at <abuse@dizum.com>. Um, What do you think those headers tell you? All that says is that I post through anonymous remailers. That's a given. I always post through remailers. What else does that tell you?.......Nothing!! Does that tell you that I'm "Sumkatz".......NO! Does that tell you that I'm a troll.......NO! The headers tell you....nothing! Do you know what a PGP signed message is? I think not. A PGP signature is an indisputable identifier that shows (if you understand PGP): 1) Who posted the message 2) That the message has not been altered in any way I always put my signature on my posts. No matter what remailer I use (and I will vary remailers as their reliability changes), my posts are ALWAYS identified as coming from me. If you wonder why I use remailers, the answer can be discovered by asking "Dan M" about some threatening call he got, or someone who recently left this group because of threatening e-mails (I think her name was "Stacy", if I remember correctly.). I could write a book about other reasons, but I hope the short answer will suffice. But I NEVER use socks!!!! So call me opinionated......that's a given. Call me a SOB......you may be right. Call me an a.shole.......it wouldn't be the first time. Howard's attack on "Sumkatz" was totally unwarranted and just plain nasty. I've seen a few of his (her?) posts and they have never been anything less than couteous and civil. Hell, if you look closely at Howie's reply to "Sumkatz", you'll see that he was actually replying to himself and attributing it to "Sumkatz". Howie seems to have information, I'll credit him with that. But the guy is totally lacking in knowledge. >Now be a good boy and go away, else we're going to have to start >laughing at your pathetic trolling attempts in public That nasty statement makes it difficult to offer a civil reply, but I tried. For a group that likes to pretend it is full of "nice" people, you folks are awfully quick to be mean to people. There's a distinct pattern here: 1) Some "outsider" posts a sincere message in this group. (And may I add that despite what many of you want to believe, this is not YOUR group. It's a PUBLIC forum.) 2) The clique then posts some nasty replies to the "outsider". 3) The "outsider" responds to the nastiness 4) The clique gets even nastier to the "outsider" and pretends that they are "nice" people. Here's a newsflash, folks. YOU AIN'T "NICE" PEOPLE. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > Here's a newsflash, folks. YOU AIN'T "NICE" PEOPLE. This is precisely what happened in rec.gardens.roses. Get it? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "Sumkatz" is just someone else that seems to think > you're a dick. Sumkatz has been around a long time. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Not looking for a war, but I will shoot back when attacked. You really do go back and forth, Nomen. You can be awfully quick to buy into the very demonization campaigns that you deplore here. But, to be alive and healthy is to be dynamic, so what the f.ck. :) Cruise on, at the altitude of your choice. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Bet You Missed Me!" <mooyou@fooyou.hahaa> >You really do go back and forth, Nomen. Back and forth, up and down, I even rotate a little. My wife LOVES it. :) >You can be awfully >quick to buy into the very demonization campaigns that you deplore >here. Actually, I wrote it as a parody of Victor's OP. I thought his trolling deserved a little ridicule. >But, to be alive and healthy is to be dynamic, so what the f.ck. Beats the HELL out of the depression that many of the "regulars" enjoy wallowing in. > IGNORE THE TROLLS > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Victor, owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven You're right, Victor. It can be difficult sometimes to not rise to the bait, but if we all work at it I'm sure we can manage. If the trolls stop gettign a rise out of people they *will* eventually tire of their games and go away. >> IGNORE THE TROLLS >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >gettign a rise out of people they *will* eventually tire of their games >and go away. I wouldn't get too preachy, Dan. You and your friends drew me into this group with gratuitous hostility and even more gratuitous dishonesty. That was YOUR choice, and you own it. Now I'm here, and I ain't gonna tire and go away. Charlie >ATTENTION REGULAR RPCA POSTERS: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >ignore them it's as if they weren't here. >Let's not let hatred win. I agree with what you're saying. Just adding a link to the FAQ, updated since the last time I read it. http://www.angelfire.com/mt/yowie/catfaq.htm  SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Spot with loving memories of Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html Victor M related the following on 8/31/2005 12:14 PM: > ATTENTION REGULAR RPCA POSTERS: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Victor, owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven Victor, thanks for the words of sanity! SignatureShirleyB, Rexie's Mom To Reply by email: remove 'nick' Pictures of His Majesty, Rex are at: http://community.webshots.com/album/255873683SwWQZJ AND OUR HOMEPAGE: http://jumi-shirley-butler.com > Victor M related the following on 8/31/2005 12:14 PM: > > ATTENTION REGULAR RPCA POSTERS: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > Victor, thanks for the words of sanity! > ATTENTION REGULAR RPCA POSTERS: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Victor, owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven After two decades or so with newsgroups, the remedy varies with the troll. I find ridicule and amusement especially destructive to their fantasies of power. A good edit and clarification of their less literate spew works at time. Becoming upset by them is not effective. There may be technical countermeasures if they leave themselves vulnerable to be caught under ISP acceptable use policies. Yes, ignoring may work, but it isn't a panacea. > ATTENTION REGULAR RPCA POSTERS: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > ignore them it's as if they weren't here. > Let's not let hatred win. Good suggestion, Victor! If you're afraid you may succumb to temptation, use your kill-file as soon as the troll's nature becomes apparent. If you don't SEE the post, you won't respond. (And it's easier on your blood pressure, too!) > IGNORE THE TROLLS > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ignore them it's as if they weren't here. > Let's not let hatred win. I'm with you Victor! Susan M Otis and Chester > ATTENTION REGULAR RPCA POSTERS: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Victor, owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven Good job, Victor. I'm with you. Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe > IGNORE THE TROLLS > > It's that simple! Don't reply to them. Ever. No matter how much they > make your blood boil. Ignore them. They will go away. EXACTLY! Think of these sh*its and/or b*tches as a fire, in need of oxygen to survive & thrive. DEPRIVE THEM OF IT & THEY DIE. Purrs G & the FF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com> >> Oh Howard, you're so cool. I want to be just like you if >> I ever get a lobotomy. >No, I'm afraid you don't appear to have the remaining brain capacity to >do that. Typical troll response. And quite unoriginal! >> And BTW, I sign all my posts so I'm hardly "Anonymous". > >A handle or a PGP signature is not a signature. Signatures enforce >responsibility for actions. Let me clue you in, Howie. This is just USENET! And in usenet, a pgp sig is as "responsible" as it gets. As I tried to illustrate, a name means nothing. Everyone who posts here could identify themselves as Howard C. Berkowitz. Only I can identify myself as me. I guess you couldn't grasp that point. >> Everything I write is identified as being from me, >> Only fools leave a trail of bread crumbs to their door when >> posting on Usenet. > >Fools? I've been using true names for twenty years or so, and never had >significant problems. You've been using true _NAMES_. How many true names do you have, Howie. And BTW, people in New Orleans haven't had a problem with hurricanes for "twenty years or so". With your level of logic, you must work for the federal government. >Hebrew? You're not? >But it's interesting that you bring up lawyers. Is that an admission you >are aware you are on the edge of illegality? I live on the edge of legality. That's where all the fun, and money, is! :) >I realize I am not a troll. You're delusional or a liar. > I realize you are a coward who might not be >as brave if they had to stand in the glare of the sun, after crawling >out from under the rock of anonymity. And this proves that you're delusional or a liar! So I guess we have to add stupid in there, somewhere. That's similar to saying "I'm not gay, Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going home to suck my boyfriends dick"! Yea, Howie. You are a troll. > snip < > IGNORE THE TROLLS > > It's that simple! Don't reply to them. Ever. No matter how much they > make your blood boil. Ignore them. They will go away. I've been on > usenet for over a decade and this strategy always works. If we all > ignore them it's as if they weren't here. I know just what you mean, Victor. I don't consider myself to be a troll (others may) and when my posts do not receive replies, I feel less inclined to stay around. So I imagine a troll, with more of a "need" for attention than I, receives no replies, s/he/it will quit posting much quicker than I would. But another good strategy might be to thank the trolls for whatever they say. Just "Thank you" for each and every nasty post. That might bore them even faster than being ignored. > > snip < > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > say. Just "Thank you" for each and every nasty post. That might bore them > even faster than being ignored. The suggestion that you keep Abelard in was a good one. Why on earth has it not occured to you to keep him in when he keeps running away? Keep him safe before he turns up dead one day. Really, what is wrong with you? > The suggestion that you keep Abelard in was a good one. Why on > earth has it not occured to you to keep him in when he keeps > running away? Keep him safe before he turns up dead one day. > Really, what is wrong with you? Living with seven cats in a tiny single-wide mobile home on a remote farm, at the dead end of half a mile of private dirt road where the maxium speed is about 8 MPH, I don't see an urgent need to keep the cats confined to the house. If I tried to keep them all inside, they would get terribly frustrated, as they have spent most of their time outdoors their whole lives. I already have enough trouble with some of them fighting, and that would get worse if they were forced to all occupy this space together all the time. Abelard is the only one with this extreme wanderlust. When I do keep him in the house, he shows his displeasure by using it as a litterbox and setting a bad example for the rest. >> > snip < >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > running away? Keep him safe before he turns up dead one day. > Really, what is wrong with you? On the very remote chance that you are sincere and don't already know this, "keeping Abelard in" is not a viable option. Not all cats can or should be kept exclusively indoors. Some would simply escape and not return from what they would view as captivity. All evidence to the contrary it isn't a perfectly ordered world out there where every problem has a simple single solution. Jo >ATTENTION REGULAR RPCA POSTERS: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Victor, owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven Thank you, Victor. In the Amish communities in the US, there is a practice called "shunning" when a member has been a problem. No one speaks to the shunned one or acknowledges his/her existence. I suggest we take up the practice, here and now. Ginger-lyn Home Pages: http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/ http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy) http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against Animals in Movies Website) > >ATTENTION REGULAR RPCA POSTERS: > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Ginger-lyn I vote for that! Joy > > >ATTENTION REGULAR RPCA POSTERS: > > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Joy I've been meaning to ask, are you dyslexic? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: glsummer@neptunelink.com >In the Amish communities in the US, there is a practice called >"shunning" when a member has been a problem. No one speaks to the >shunned one or acknowledges his/her existence. I suggest we take up >the practice, here and now. > >Ginger-lyn I've seen that done in grade school, also. I'm beginning to think that the "regulars" here just get their kicks out of being nasty to "outsiders". Especially if they don't fall in line with their "clique" mentality. |
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