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CatNipped - 30 Aug 2005 14:20 GMT
This group has enriched my life, but I just can't deal with the few @$$holes
determined to make me feel worse than I already do right now.

I still haven't heard anything from my mom - I don't know if she got to
safety before the storm hit or not, Sunday was her 80th birthday and I
didn't even get a chance to tell her happy birthday.  Even if she is safe,
her home has been destroyed.  My son-in-law's cousin is still missing along
with the foster children she was caring for.

I haven't heard from either of my brothers or their wives (I do know from
the news that their homes are under 25 feet of water), I haven't heard from
any of my nieces or nephews (again, except that their homes are under
water).  My mother-in-law and sister-in-law and my daughter's home are under
water, so they'll be here with us for some months to come (thank God).  We
know absolutely nothing about neighbors and friends we grew up with except
that their homes are either destroyed or are under water too.

And yes, my daughter's dogs are probably dead, and yes, it was my daughter
and son-in-law's fault - but as hard as that is for us to bear, it still
pales in light of the larger tragedies.

Departing purrs would be greatly appreciated.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Kreisleriana - 30 Aug 2005 14:39 GMT
>This group has enriched my life, but I just can't deal with the few @$$holes
>determined to make me feel worse than I already do right now.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
>CatNipped

Lori, it's just really too much.  We are purring and praying for your
family, and all those caught in the path of Katrina-- but especially
for you.

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Kate - 30 Aug 2005 14:42 GMT
Sorry that you feel you have to go, especially because of the
troll-element.  I hope you make it back here sometime in the future, as
you will be missed.

My heart goes out to you while you are waiting for news from your
family and friends.  You and they will be in my thoughts and prayers.

{{{CatNipped}}}

Take care of yourself - hope to see you here again in the future.
Please feel free to email anytime.

Hugs & Purrs,

Kate.

Owned by Fudge, Caramel and Meg.
badwilson - 30 Aug 2005 14:43 GMT
> This group has enriched my life, but I just can't deal with the few
> @$$holes determined to make me feel worse than I already do right
now.

> I still haven't heard anything from my mom - I don't know if she got
> to safety before the storm hit or not, Sunday was her 80th birthday
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I haven't heard from either of my brothers or their wives (I do know
> from the news that their homes are under 25 feet of water), I
haven't
> heard from any of my nieces or nephews (again, except that their
> homes are under water).  My mother-in-law and sister-in-law and my
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> CatNipped

Many purrs for all your family members who are affected.  But don't
leave.  If this group has enriched your life, it could provide much
needed support in this scary and tragic time.  Just killfile the
offenders and they will go away.
--
Britta
"There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Cheryl Perkins - 30 Aug 2005 14:45 GMT
Many purrs to you and all your family and friends.

Signature

Cheryl

Lesley - 30 Aug 2005 14:46 GMT
> This group has enriched my life, but I just can't deal with the few @$$holes
> determined to make me feel worse than I already do right now.

CatNipped

You can't go!!!! I need my doses of your anecdotes!

Seriously let us know when you have news of everyone....and don't let a
few idiots grind you down. I have placed the Furballs on overtime
mega-purring for you

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
kilikini - 30 Aug 2005 15:00 GMT
> This group has enriched my life, but I just can't deal with the few @$$holes
> determined to make me feel worse than I already do right now.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> CatNipped

Don't go just because of a few morons.   I'm still waiting on news of my
cousins down in NO as well; we couldn't get a hold of them prior to the
hurricane and we haven't been able to get a hold of them since.  I feel for
your situation and I'm so sorry that a few rude people have made you turn
away.

I hope everything turns out well for your family.

kili
Jo Firey - 30 Aug 2005 15:50 GMT
> This group has enriched my life, but I just can't deal with the few
> @$$holes
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Departing purrs would be greatly appreciated.

I'd beg you to stay but the past several days have about put me off the
group as well.  Even with liberal use of kill files.  I certainly don't
blame you.  You sure don't need all this crap on top of everything else.

Would you check back in once in a while?  There really are a lot of us who
care very much and would like to know how your family is doing.  And how you
are doing.  Please try to let them know they need to help take care of you
while you try to take care of them.

Jo
Exocat - 30 Aug 2005 16:02 GMT
> This group has enriched my life, but I just can't deal with the few
> @$$holes
> determined to make me feel worse than I already do right now.
>
> I still haven't heard anything from my mom

Purrs for your family.

Litterbox offerings to the the trolltrash.

Empathetic human compassion for you & what you've been going through.

Hope that you can return to us in the future.

Yours
Gordon, Bandit, Snowball, Claudius & Raki
+ the spirit of Pericles
hopitus - 30 Aug 2005 16:22 GMT
News from Times-Picayune I just looked @ - what 'Nipped predicted *did* come
true: some big part of some waterwall down there gave 'way from pressure,
and da**ed if Lake Ponchartrain isn't flooding neighboring parishes, but
bigtime! Pics too. Local rescue authorities are overwhelmed by lack of
communication to rescue residents from their temporary lifewaving high-level
whereabouts and - I was surprised - looting is rampant all over NO and
beyond. What surprised me is that their law enforcement evidently doesn't
have as good a handle on looting as that in s.FL. Looting there is sparse
and isolated and if law not around, local furious citizens likely to gang up
on looters and do them bodily harm....
I can't understand why NO or higher authorities don't call in the military
to keep order PLUS rescue and cleanup of flooding. Military (I think)
doesn't need land-line communication means and have specific training for
disastes like this one. It ain't over yet, folks.
As for my cuzzins in LA delta area, they have no phones to speak of and
would have to get to Houma and/or Thibideaux  to communicate w/anyone. I
trust in their down-home 'Cajun craftiness to have protected them when K.
turned east and the eye must've gone right over their areas.That's all I can
do for now.

>> This group has enriched my life, but I just can't deal with the few
>> @$$holes
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Gordon, Bandit, Snowball, Claudius & Raki
> + the spirit of Pericles
Gracecat - 30 Aug 2005 22:14 GMT
Hops, there has been several national guard units deployed. Everybody in the
guard that can be spared has been sent, plus the coast guard, additional
police officers and whatnot.

> News from Times-Picayune I just looked @ - what 'Nipped predicted *did*
> come true: some big part of some waterwall down there gave 'way from
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>> Gordon, Bandit, Snowball, Claudius & Raki
>> + the spirit of Pericles
pmendhall - 31 Aug 2005 04:21 GMT
> Hops, there has been several national guard units deployed. Everybody in the
> guard that can be spared has been sent, plus the coast guard, additional
> police officers and whatnot.

Glad to see you checking in.  Hope all is as well as can be expected with
all the things going on in your neck of the woods.

Diane
Victor M - 30 Aug 2005 16:16 GMT
> This group has enriched my life, but I just can't deal with the few @$$holes
> determined to make me feel worse than I already do right now.

Lori,

I know it's simplistic, but just killfile the trolls and the group is
pretty much back to normal. Full of loving, caring people who would
never do anything to hurt you.
You are depressed right now, the last thing you need to do is distance
yourself from friends.
I hope you'll reconsider and filter out the crap. There is still lots
of good stuff in this group.

Victor
hopitus - 30 Aug 2005 16:32 GMT
>> This group has enriched my life, but I just can't deal with the few
>> @$$holes
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Victor
Victor, I don't think she realizes or is (probably) just too busy now to
discover that killfiling won't work. I don't Google (boring and difficult)
but from writing styles *plus* what I know about certain rpca regs I see
that the main
perp troll is posting here under @ least several socks (it
has a distinctive posting style, you must admit) plus a few others from our
sister (LOL) group who, bored, are trying to outdo each other w/sock
posting. You can't killfile all that, Victor. Main perp is using sig of a
reg who would never post such stuff, plus perp has small details screwed up
bad trying to be someone it's not here. They're all on
'Nipped's case because she has once more "put her business in the street" as
they say on Miami's mean streets.
-L. - 30 Aug 2005 17:10 GMT
hopitus wrote: They're all on
> 'Nipped's case because she has once more "put her business in the street" as
> they say on Miami's mean streets.

Bullshit.  I'm on "Nipped's" case because she thinks it is perfectly
fine to leave dogs behind to drown, and even has the nerve to post
about it here.  That so many of you support this type of choice is
extremely appalling.  Would you EVER leave your cats behind?  Ever?  Of
course not.  There is no excuse for this type of animal neglect.

The only one in that family who deserves sympathy are those poor dogs.
I at least hope they went without too much struggle.

-L.
hopitus - 30 Aug 2005 17:31 GMT
> hopitus wrote: They're all on
>> 'Nipped's case because she has once more "put her business in the street"
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> -L.
I don't consider you a perp or troll; you got issues but @
least your posts are honest; you are who you are and non-apologetic. Never
assume because majority of us say nada re never-ending posts of a few that
we support what they post. As you know, some people have zero common sense.
What you say is result of what *I* said: putting your business in "street"
of 'Net. Of course I would never leave my cats behind to a 'cane.....I'm old
FL cracker stock...we rode out every 'cane when I lived there...for Andrew
we (cats included) were all in bathtub under a
queensize mattress. But we aren't talking about me; I've heard (read) more
than I ever wanted to know about some posters' personal lives here and the
last thing they need is encouragement to feed us more of it (gag).
Sidebar: I've been briefly to one infertility ng to lurk and I *do* have
empathy for those people, being a parent. I would like to let them know my
'rents were trying 10 years before I, the oldest, arrived to their great
joy, then
4 years later, my sister, 5 years later, 'lil 'bro. Why don't you tell 'em
for me? I don't hang there.
Jo Firey - 30 Aug 2005 18:11 GMT
"hopitus" <hopitus@comcast.com> wrote in message

Darlin, our kill files would work better if those we really don't want to
killfile would refrain from replying to, or at least from quoting the dregs.

I know, I forget too.

Jo
hopitus - 30 Aug 2005 18:39 GMT
> "hopitus" <hopitus@comcast.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Jo
Very good point. That was mostly a rant on my part. I manage my life very
well w/o help from cat ngs. Lost control temporarily.
-L. - 30 Aug 2005 19:04 GMT
> I don't consider you a perp or troll; you got issues

LOL...don't we all? ;)

>but @
> least your posts are honest; you are who you are and non-apologetic. Never
> assume because majority of us say nada re never-ending posts of a few that
> we support what they post. As you know, some people have zero common sense.
> What you say is result of what *I* said: putting your business in "street"
> of 'Net.

Points well taken.

>Of course I would never leave my cats behind to a 'cane.....I'm old
> FL cracker stock...we rode out every 'cane when I lived there...for Andrew
> we (cats included) were all in bathtub under a
> queensize mattress. But we aren't talking about me; I've heard (read) more
> than I ever wanted to know about some posters' personal lives here and the
> last thing they need is encouragement to feed us more of it (gag).

Bingo.

> Sidebar: I've been briefly to one infertility ng to lurk and I *do* have
> empathy for those people, being a parent. I would like to let them know my
> 'rents were trying 10 years before I, the oldest, arrived to their great
> joy, then
> 4 years later, my sister, 5 years later, 'lil 'bro. Why don't you tell 'em
> for me? I don't hang there.

I will do.  Thanks.

-L.
Victor M - 31 Aug 2005 16:40 GMT
> queensize mattress. But we aren't talking about me; I've heard (read) more
> than I ever wanted to know about some posters' personal lives here and the
> last thing they need is encouragement to feed us more of it (gag).

That wasn't a very nice thing to say. If you don't like what some
people share here, don't read it. You have no right to critize what
some of our friends choose to share here. This is a safe zone.

Victor
Bet You Missed Me! - 31 Aug 2005 17:46 GMT
> > queensize mattress. But we aren't talking about me; I've heard (read) more
> > than I ever wanted to know about some posters' personal lives here and the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> people share here, don't read it. You have no right to critize what
> some of our friends choose to share here.

She does indeed have a right to criticize.

> This is a safe zone

It most certainly is not. When you perpetuate that myth you do the group
a disservice. When you post here you are posting to the world. Both
when you make mealy-mouthed posts like the one above, and when you
call people you don't like "c.nts." When you post your innermost
thoughts and weaknesses to the world, you are not doing so in any
kind of safe zone. Grow up, Victor.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 01 Sep 2005 00:07 GMT
>>queensize mattress. But we aren't talking about me; I've heard (read) more
>>than I ever wanted to know about some posters' personal lives here and the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> people share here, don't read it. You have no right to critize what
> some of our friends choose to share here. This is a safe zone.

It was, until some insensate trolls drifted in from other
sites.  I finally discovered that Netscape 7.1 allows you to
actually delete messages from people you've kill-filed!
(The version I was originally using only allowed "mark
message read", so they were still there, they just didn't
hit your screen when you clicked on "next".)
Trish - 01 Sep 2005 02:20 GMT
> >>queensize mattress. But we aren't talking about me; I've heard (read) more
> >>than I ever wanted to know about some posters' personal lives here and the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> message read", so they were still there, they just didn't
> hit your screen when you clicked on "next".)

That's not true.  A few of you were bitching behind Tweed's back when
she was very ill, Some of you killfiled CN when she spoke up during the
Conan ordeal, need I go on?  The trolls exist from within in this group,
so why hide it?
Nomen Nescio - 01 Sep 2005 07:00 GMT
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

From: "Trish" <trish738@yahoo.com>

>That's not true.  A few of you were bitching behind Tweed's back when
>she was very ill, Some of you killfiled CN when she spoke up during the
>Conan ordeal, need I go on?  The trolls exist from within in this group,
>so why hide it?

Close!  The trolls ARE this group. All the "regulars" are trolls.
It's the strangest thing I've ever seen in a newsgroup.
They all troll the "outsiders". It's a lot like the cliques in Jr. High
School.
Christina Websell - 01 Sep 2005 20:24 GMT
>> >>queensize mattress. But we aren't talking about me; I've heard
> (read) more
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> That's not true.  A few of you were bitching behind Tweed's back when
> she was very ill,

I was able to retrieve all previous rpca posts when I was back in the land
of the living, and I only saw one person doing that, who was jumped upon.
My cousin Margi was also watching the group while I was not well and she
only reported back this one too.
I have had wonderful and remarkable support from rpca.  To receive so many
cards and flowers really helped while I was undergoing some horrible
procedures followed by major surgery.
Maybe I missed this bitching.  I don't think so.
If anyone who I missed bitching about me while I was in hospital fighting
for my life would like to bitch again now, I am well enough to answer
back...
A tall tale, I think, from a troublemaker.

Tweed


Trish - 01 Sep 2005 02:15 GMT
> > queensize mattress. But we aren't talking about me; I've heard (read) more
> > than I ever wanted to know about some posters' personal lives here and the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Victor

Remove your tights Vic, they're blocking the bloodflow to your brain.
If this was a safe zone, everyone's opinion would count, but it ain't
so.  The little clan you all have going here wants a perfect little
world filled with purrs and smiles, where only their problems are
important.  Well, suck it up, life is never going to be that agreeable.

To call this group a safe zone is an idiotic comment professed by
morons.
Charlie Wilkes - 01 Sep 2005 05:10 GMT
>> > queensize mattress. But we aren't talking about me; I've heard
>(read) more
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>To call this group a safe zone is an idiotic comment professed by
>morons.

If these people wanted a friendly setting, they would move their
drivel to a web forum.  Instead, they post it in an open forum and go
out of their way to incite those who they label "trolls."

They want this group to turn into a cesspool of nastiness and raw
hatred.  Otherwise they wouldn't make the choices they do.

Charlie
sriddles@aol.com - 02 Sep 2005 01:35 GMT
> Remove your tights Vic, they're blocking the bloodflow to your brain.
> If this was a safe zone, everyone's opinion would count, but it ain't
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> To call this group a safe zone is an idiotic comment professed by
> morons.

When you choose to join a group, theoretically you agree to abide by
its FAQ. If you don't like the FAQ, don't participate in the group.
It's as simple as that.  There are plenty of cat groups that are
nothing but a virtual knock-down-drag-out catfight. Health+behav is
nothing but a flamefest wasteland now. You might be happier there.

Sherry
J. Warrick - 02 Sep 2005 02:19 GMT
> > Remove your tights Vic, they're blocking the bloodflow to your brain.
> > If this was a safe zone, everyone's opinion would count, but it ain't
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> When you choose to join a group, theoretically you agree to abide by
> its FAQ. If you don't like the FAQ, don't participate in the group.

First, I think you mean "charter" since is it hard to agree or disagree
with a "Frequently Asked Questions."

Second, if this is indeed what you meant, you had better go and read
it yourself, because you and all the lovely people you were trashing in
email as hypocrites just a few months ago are not adhering to the charter
at all in fully most of the posts you make.

> It's as simple as that.  There are plenty of cat groups that are
> nothing but a virtual knock-down-drag-out catfight. Health+behav is
> nothing but a flamefest wasteland now. You might be happier there.

When you go through these metamorphoses, do you lose your memory
too? I think you must. H+B has ALWAYS had conflicts and flame
wars, and you are archived as saying that you thought it beats
the hell out of the mushmouthed hypocrisy that goes on here
while the "sugar would not melt in my mouth" posters are busy
stabbing one another in the back in email.

You have joined the mushmouthed hypocrites, Sherry.
Congratulations. You must have been very lonely those
long months when you were happily active in h+b and egging
critics of anecdotes on via email every chance you get.
You KNOW very well what I mean. I am surprised at you, because
I never figured you as a hypocrite. Live and learn.
Karen - 02 Sep 2005 02:41 GMT
in article
aHlwYXRpYQ==.b6b3c4e0a2b6c41ab2246ca29fc4696f@1125623999.nulluser.com, J.
Warrick at 57chevy@zmail.com wrote on 9/1/05 8:19 PM:

>>> Remove your tights Vic, they're blocking the bloodflow to your brain.
>>> If this was a safe zone, everyone's opinion would count, but it ain't
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> You KNOW very well what I mean. I am surprised at you, because
> I never figured you as a hypocrite. Live and learn.

I have NEVER seen Sherry be hypocritcal. EVER. Who are you anyway. I;ve not
seen you post in either group and I've been reading for years.
Jeanne Hedge - 02 Sep 2005 02:53 GMT
>in article
>aHlwYXRpYQ==.b6b3c4e0a2b6c41ab2246ca29fc4696f@1125623999.nulluser.com, J.
>Warrick at 57chevy@zmail.com wrote on 9/1/05 8:19 PM:

>> You have joined the mushmouthed hypocrites, Sherry.
>> Congratulations. You must have been very lonely those
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>I have NEVER seen Sherry be hypocritcal. EVER. Who are you anyway. I;ve not
>seen you post in either group and I've been reading for years.

Who is "J.Warrick"?

"He" is using Google Groups, and "his" message headers include this:

X-Abuse-To: abuse@nulluser.com

I think "he" is yet another sock puppet trying to be anonymous.

Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

============
http://www.jhedge.com
Trish - 02 Sep 2005 03:40 GMT
> in article
> aHlwYXRpYQ==.b6b3c4e0a2b6c41ab2246ca29fc4696f@1125623999.nulluser.com, J.
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> I have NEVER seen Sherry be hypocritcal. EVER. Who are you anyway. I;ve not
> seen you post in either group and I've been reading for years.

I can provide the proof if you like, oh she's been a hypocrite,
particularly regarding those she's kissing up to now
Kreisleriana - 02 Sep 2005 04:16 GMT
>in article
>aHlwYXRpYQ==.b6b3c4e0a2b6c41ab2246ca29fc4696f@1125623999.nulluser.com, J.
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>I have NEVER seen Sherry be hypocritcal. EVER. Who are you anyway. I;ve not
>seen you post in either group and I've been reading for years.

Just another toe in the sock, Karen.

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
sriddles@aol.com - 02 Sep 2005 04:28 GMT
> >I have NEVER seen Sherry be hypocritcal. EVER. Who are you anyway. I;ve not
> >seen you post in either group and I've been reading for years.
>
> Just another toe in the sock, Karen.

> Theresa

They're just trying to wreak havoc on the group. Just ask Lori Crews.
They had her and I (and Laurie) ready to kill each other by forwarding
bogus, forged e-mails. Guess Dan's not the target anymore.

Sherry
Trish - 02 Sep 2005 04:38 GMT
> > >I have NEVER seen Sherry be hypocritcal. EVER. Who are you anyway. I;ve not
> > >seen you post in either group and I've been reading for years.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Sherry

As stated before Sherrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, you can only
respond once someone else does, you are a coward and a sheep, may you
enjoy your life as a follower.  Show me once where I have ever sent an
e-mail to anyone in this group, I e-mailed CN, at her request and Cheryl
at her request and responded to Christine from an e-mail she sent to me,
other than that, no one here has ever gotten an e-mail from me.  Unlike
you and your buddy LLL I don't play games or send phoney e-mails, so if
you're going to imply I sent e-mails unsolicited then back it up dear.
Engage that lump on your shoulders once and show some proof.  Otherwise,
keep your piehole shut.

By the way are you a librarian?  I'm curious if you're the one they
outed last year.
Cheryl - 03 Sep 2005 03:36 GMT
> Show me once where I have ever sent an
> e-mail to anyone in this group, I e-mailed CN, at her request
> and Cheryl at her request

Minor correction
I never asked you to email me. After I wrote about hanging flyers of
Conan's need for a home, you felt the need to ask me if my email addy
was valid so you could send me one that you made.

Signature

Cheryl

"The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited
breath."
- W.C. Fields

Trish - 03 Sep 2005 04:02 GMT
> > Show me once where I have ever sent an
> > e-mail to anyone in this group, I e-mailed CN, at her request
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Conan's need for a home, you felt the need to ask me if my email addy
> was valid so you could send me one that you made.

I had to find the post in my sent mail as I've deleted all old posts so
its missing the header but if there is any discrepancy I can google it.
Read the post dear, how else was I to show you the flyer if not through
e-mail.  Hence I stand by my words " at your request"

"Cheryl" <jlhshadow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9688EC8C0B6B9shads@216.196.97.136...

<snipping to the point>

> > If any of
> >> you really care about Conan's fate you'll post some flyers
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Glad to read it. Can I see your flyer?  I'd like to make one that
> is worthy. I won't be back to work until Wednesday.

"Yup, is your e-mail a real address?" - my response to your asking to
see the flyer

> >> In the meantime, trashing those who are involved just because
> >> you don't know everything is just wrong.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > laugh at them in our turn?
> > Jane Austen

your memory is quite convenient, and is able to attempt to twist
reality.
J. Warrick - 02 Sep 2005 04:45 GMT
> > >I have NEVER seen Sherry be hypocritcal. EVER. Who are you anyway. I;ve not
> > >seen you post in either group and I've been reading for years.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> They had her and I (and Laurie) ready to kill each other by forwarding
> bogus, forged e-mails. Guess Dan's not the target anymore.

Sherry, that is not true and you know it. How many others did you email
ridiculing this group? You and I both know that you are lying, and that
is enough for me.

As for Dan, he lied to people who trusted him, and for no reason. You have
just joined the ranks of the blatant liars. Were you really THAT lonely
before the anecdotes freaks posted the "Where is Sherry?" thread?

Get your dried up little brain around this: it is this behavior that is
responsible for the recent spate of adversarial posts here. Join the ranks
who call anyone with opposing opinions a troll, and you get exactly what you
deserve. I still have your emails, ranging over a year, nearly two years as
a matter of fact. You know precisely who I am, as well. Do you recall the email
you wrote to me in which you told me how much you hate Catnipped? That was
about the time you joined Cheryl in her crusade against Lori, whom Cheryl said
that she "loathed." That was about the time I stopped answering your emails.

You disgust me.
Charlie Wilkes - 02 Sep 2005 06:44 GMT
>Get your dried up little brain around this: it is this behavior that is
>responsible for the recent spate of adversarial posts here.

Amen.

RPCA needs to get a web site and set up a bulletin board.  Dan Mahoney
can be treasurer... send him your money.  There you can all be
emperors of your domain.

But here on USENET, you are like dogshit.  You get underfoot, and
people get annoyed and want to clean the mess up.

Charlie
Bet You Missed Me! - 02 Sep 2005 16:35 GMT
> >Get your dried up little brain around this: it is this behavior that is
> >responsible for the recent spate of adversarial posts here.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> But here on USENET, you are like dogshit.  You get underfoot, and
> people get annoyed and want to clean the mess up.

Nicely put, Charlie.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 02 Sep 2005 05:11 GMT
>>>I have NEVER seen Sherry be hypocritcal. EVER. Who are you anyway. I;ve not
>>>seen you post in either group and I've been reading for years.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> They had her and I (and Laurie) ready to kill each other by forwarding
> bogus, forged e-mails. Guess Dan's not the target anymore.

My kill-file is suddenly growing by leaps and bounds, after
years with only a few (occasionally) irritating posters.  I
suspect some of the nastiness will stop once school starts
again.  The summer hols can seem endless to the very young,
and nowadays they have computers, the internet, and not
enough parental supervision, so they can anonymously annoy
their betters.
Bet You Missed Me! - 02 Sep 2005 16:37 GMT
> >>>I have NEVER seen Sherry be hypocritcal. EVER. Who are you anyway. I;ve not
> >>>seen you post in either group and I've been reading for years.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> enough parental supervision, so they can anonymously annoy
> their betters.

I have always liked you, Evelyn, but you are a troll.

:) Or should that be "and" you are a trill. lol
Trish - 02 Sep 2005 03:38 GMT
> > > Remove your tights Vic, they're blocking the bloodflow to your brain.
> > > If this was a safe zone, everyone's opinion would count, but it ain't
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> You KNOW very well what I mean. I am surprised at you, because
> I never figured you as a hypocrite. Live and learn.

I'm betting suckass sherry who wouldn't know an original thought if it
ran her over in the street doesn't reply to this until one of her heros
does first
J. Warrick - 02 Sep 2005 02:25 GMT
> > Remove your tights Vic, they're blocking the bloodflow to your brain.
> > If this was a safe zone, everyone's opinion would count, but it ain't
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> When you choose to join a group, theoretically you agree to abide by
> its FAQ. If you don't like the FAQ, don't participate in the group.

First, I think you mean "charter" since is it hard to agree or disagree
with a "Frequently Asked Questions."

Second, if this is indeed what you meant, you had better go and read
it yourself, because you and all the lovely people you were trashing in
email as hypocrites just a few months ago are not adhering to the charter
at all in fully most of the posts you make.

> It's as simple as that.  There are plenty of cat groups that are
> nothing but a virtual knock-down-drag-out catfight. Health+behav is
> nothing but a flamefest wasteland now. You might be happier there.

When you go through these metamorphoses, do you lose your memory
too? I think you must. H+B has ALWAYS had conflicts and flame
wars, and you are archived as saying that you thought it beats
the hell out of the mushmouthed hypocrisy that goes on here
while the "sugar would not melt in my mouth" posters are busy
stabbing one another in the back in email.

You have joined the mushmouthed hypocrites, Sherry.
Congratulations. You must have been very lonely those
long months when you were happily active in h+b and egging
critics of anecdotes on via email every chance you get.
You KNOW very well what I mean. I am surprised at you, because
I never figured you as a hypocrite. Live and learn.
Trish - 02 Sep 2005 03:35 GMT
> > Remove your tights Vic, they're blocking the bloodflow to your brain.
> > If this was a safe zone, everyone's opinion would count, but it ain't
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Sherry

Did jill teach you to say that, after all you've become her parrot very
nicely
Karen - 30 Aug 2005 18:10 GMT
> hopitus wrote: They're all on
> > 'Nipped's case because she has once more "put her business in the street" as
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> -L.

Well, I disagreed too. I totally believe that the dogs could have been
planned into an evacuation, and indeed, anyone on the coast is a nut if they
do not have a specific evacuation plan that includes the entire family
(incouding pets) but I'm not on her case. It is useless. It doesn't help the
dogs. It's not going to help some phantom future dog out there. It just
turns people off.  And you are definitely enjoying this. It's just as wrong,
IMO and accomplishes nothing except your own self satisfaction. All it has
done is turn this into you and your enemies own little private war thread.
-L. - 30 Aug 2005 19:12 GMT
> Well, I disagreed too.

Really?  Where?  All I saw was a bunch of people "purring".  That's
hardly disagreement.

> I totally believe that the dogs could have been
> planned into an evacuation, and indeed, anyone on the coast is a nut if they
> do not have a specific evacuation plan that includes the entire family
> (incouding pets) but I'm not on her case. It is useless. It doesn't help the
> dogs. It's not going to help some phantom future dog out there.

It might.  Maybe it will make someone think twice before doing
something so utterly cruel.

>It just
> turns people off.

So be it.

>  And you are definitely enjoying this.

Don't pretend to know what I do and do not enjoy.  I certainly do not
enjoy reading about dogs drowning.  Why couldn't CatShit just refrain
from posting about it?  It would have saved dozens of people grief.

>It's just as wrong,
> IMO and accomplishes nothing except your own self satisfaction. All it has
> done is turn this into you and your enemies own little private war thread.

Um, yeah, whatever.  Keep reading.

-L.
Karen - 30 Aug 2005 20:17 GMT
> > Well, I disagreed too.
>
> Really?  Where?  All I saw was a bunch of people "purring".  That's
> hardly disagreement.

I do not wish misery on anyone. I do not doubt that CN's kids were simply
not prepared. Looking at the Superdome situation and the small amount of
preparedness the government is showing, how can I fault them? I am not God
and I cannot judge that situation. I can only say that *I* would have tried
stuffing those dogs in the truck on top of my kids if need be. I don't know
the situation so I can't say if what happened was right or wrong. And it is
certainly not going to correct anything. You appear to be happy to dance on
those dogs graves for your own needs to continue the long standing feud.
Just as Trish probably could care LESS about the situation but is using it
to dance on YOU. Stop the g*dd*mmed cycle.

> > I totally believe that the dogs could have been
> > planned into an evacuation, and indeed, anyone on the coast is a nut if they
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> It might.  Maybe it will make someone think twice before doing
> something so utterly cruel.

And probably most stopped reading or killfiled you. YOu are dreaming if you
think you are doing a service to anyone except maybe Trish and HER puppets.

> >It just
> > turns people off.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> -L.

Nope. I believe I will be killfiling you now too. This was never about the
dogs for you no matter what you say here.
Trish - 30 Aug 2005 23:47 GMT
Top posted because I can!

Hey listen up a minute.

WTF are you dragging me into the convo for... I happen to actually care
for CN, unlike some of you sh.ts who have put her in killfile once too
often, then claim to be her friend.  Or better yet make comments about
her as if she has no feelings.  I jumped on Lyn for going aboard CN.

And show me once where I've used a sock, I challenge you on that because
nowhere have I ever used a sock.  I face my convictions front on without
shields or hidden ips.  You obviously have a problem with people who
have confidence and have no problem calling someone to task, that's your
problem not mine.

And wtf are you even reading my posts for, killfile me if you don't like
what you read. No one is forcing you to read it, but your gluttony and
greed doesn't allow you to pass by anything.

As for the "situation", I know all too well what CN is going through,
different scenario but same danger, as a kid I've been through 3 forest
fires each of which consumed our house, different house different forest
fire.  So you sit all comfy in your little home and tell me what I care
about and don't.  Not that this is any of your business, but what the
hell a good friend of mine committed suicide last year due to
depression, and I have another friend who is possibly headed in that
direction now, so no I'm not enjoying this, unlike you I'm not judging
CN, I pissing on someone who is.  Learn the difference

Until you have proof of me using a sock STFU, there is no proof because
I have never used one.

> > > Well, I disagreed too.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> Nope. I believe I will be killfiling you now too. This was never about the
> dogs for you no matter what you say here.
Joske - 30 Aug 2005 21:33 GMT
In news:1125425556.813325.273750@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
gentleboa@peacemail.com

>>  And you are definitely enjoying this.

> Don't pretend to know what I do and do not enjoy.  I certainly do
> not enjoy reading about dogs drowning.  Why couldn't CatShit just
> refrain from posting about it?  It would have saved dozens of
> people grief.

I will not only pretend, but state with full conviction that you are
enjoying this. Just as you enjoyed knifing down a post in rpchb
about a homeless person standing alone in the street with his cat
Patches because he had nowhere to go. If they haven't both drowned,
Patches most probably will have. But to you, being the deeply
unhappy egotistical person you are, the photo was just another
occasion to judge someone even less fortunate than you.

It's all about you and how you compare to others. The cat Patches
and the dogs are nothing but props in your game. You are always on
the look-out to find fault with people to give yourself a sense of
importance. In that sense you definitely are a troll.

Joske
idontmind@gmail.com - 31 Aug 2005 01:45 GMT
> I will not only pretend, but state with full conviction that you are
> enjoying this.

Oh shut up Joske.  You jump on the sh.t-slinging bandwagon at every
chance.  For being Dutch, you are a real a.shole.

-L.
Howard C. Berkowitz - 31 Aug 2005 04:09 GMT
> > I will not only pretend, but state with full conviction that you are
> > enjoying this.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> -L.

Oh, you are so SCARY, as you hide behind an alias and Google posting.  I
take responsibility for what I say, and use my easily verifiable real
name.

With as vague an alias as you use, I can only say that you lack gonads
appropriate to your genotype.  How about coming out from under your rock
and facing people you blast?

Oh, and when you deliver your insults, which really shouldn't bother any
rational person, could you try, perhaps, for more original language?  I
suppose it _is_ distracting to type, probably with one finger, as the
fleas of ten thousand camels infest your armpits. I recognize that you
do need a hand free for sexual gratification, since this silliness is
probably the only gratification you get.
Joske - 31 Aug 2005 07:31 GMT
In news:1125449132.572458.39020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
idontmind@gmail.com

>> I will not only pretend, but state with full conviction that you
>> are enjoying this.

> Oh shut up Joske.  You jump on the sh.t-slinging bandwagon at
> every chance.

You jumped on my post in rpchb about a cat in NO, basically stating
it was nonsense to worry about a cat and to worry about people
instead (Irak). Moments later I find you here being equally
heartless about two dogs left behind in NO, having made a full turn
and screaming at the top of your lungs how the dogs should have
taken equal place with the humans.

And then I'm the one "jumping sh.t"? I don't think so. Your "values"
change according to the cruelty you can't resist inflicting.

>  For being Dutch, you are a real a.shole.
> -L.

I just think you swear so much because you need the noise to stifle
the little voice telling you how ugly you have become.

Joske
-L. - 31 Aug 2005 07:59 GMT
> You jumped on my post in rpchb about a cat in NO, basically stating
> it was nonsense to worry about a cat and to worry about people
> instead (Irak).

It's Iraq with a Q.  Let me educate you about the US since you
apparently don't have a clue.  No shelters here take animals.  None.
They never have.   It's not exactly rocket science for a homeless
person to know he cannot bring an animal into a shelter because none of
them accept animals.  So the story you posted was just another example
of the US media printing a non-story when there are so may real stories
out there to be told.  But of course, the government here would blow a
gasket if the real stories WERE told, so the media has to stick to
"human interest" crap like you posted.  THAT was my point.  Apparently
you mised it altogether, as you so often do.  I cut you some slack
because of the language barrier, but honestly, you give the Dutch a bad
name.  And I am a huge fan of the Netherlands.

Secondly, homeless people here use animals to barter.  They are
chattel.  A cute kitten or cat can score someone a ten-spot or a fix of
heroin, or a few donations if they sit on the street croner with a sign
that says "My pet needs vet care - please donate".  So while your
little heart strings were tugged by  that story of the poor, sad,
lonely homeless guy with no place to take his cat, in reality, he has
more than likely been whoring his cat for weeks if not months.  Once it
becomes an inconvenience, he'll just sell it outright or turn it loose.
Stick that in your craw and chomp on it awhile.

> Moments later I find you here being equally
> heartless about two dogs left behind

Seems to me I am the only one who cares at all about the dogs.  Except
for a few head nods by Mary L, Hopitus and Karen.  Everyone else seems
to think it's perfectly acceptable to have animals you can't properly
care for, are unprepared to make provisions for and apparently don't
care enough about to let drown.

> I just think you swear so much because you need the noise to stifle
> the little voice telling you how ugly you have become.

I call a spade a spade.  I use the full spectrum of the English
language and if you do not like it, you certainly do not have to read
it.

You drone on like an old woman.  I'll bet you suck in bed.

-L.
Bet You Missed Me! - 31 Aug 2005 09:35 GMT
> You drone on like an old woman.  I'll bet you suck in bed.

Think so? Well, we know you do. You confided to the world
that you swallow, too. (Boagirl@webtv.net, your old address, in one of
the sex groups you loved so much. "Have you kissed your snake today?")

Anyway, here's hoping if Joske does indeed suck in bed it gets her
more than it did you. :)
Bet You Missed Me! - 31 Aug 2005 09:47 GMT
> > You drone on like an old woman.  I'll bet you suck in bed.
>
> Think so? Well, we know you do. You confided to the world
> that you swallow, too. (Boagirl@webtv.net

Damn, that should be " Boa_girl@webtv.net. I am clearly up way too
early for my own good. 8D
idontmind@gmail.com - 31 Aug 2005 10:03 GMT
> > You drone on like an old woman.  I'll bet you suck in bed.
>
> Think so? Well, we know you do. You confided to the world
> that you swallow, too.

Why does that titlate you so much?  Do you swing both ways?  Nah.
You're probably one of those Southern prudes who wouldn't put a penis
in your mouth if your life depended on it.

Yeah, I give head, and I am damn good at it too.  There.  Does that
make you feel better?  That I "confessed".  You are one f.cked-up piece
of work Nancy Carter Moore.

>(Boagirl@webtv.net, your old address, in one of
> the sex groups you loved so much.

Yeah, I loved is so much I posted there once.  Big deal.  Why are you
so obsessed with me that you have to Google every minute detail I have
ever posted?  Humm?  Is your life really *that* insipid?  Google away,
if it makes your pathetic life more interesting.  You're not shocking
anyone but yourself.

> "Have you kissed your snake today?")
>
> Anyway, here's hoping if Joske does indeed suck in bed it gets her
> more than it did you. :)

Joske is a guy.

-L.
Charlie Wilkes - 01 Sep 2005 05:21 GMT
>In news:1125449132.572458.39020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
>idontmind@gmail.com
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>I just think you swear so much because you need the noise to stifle
>the little voice telling you how ugly you have become.

She's mentally ill, Joske.  As you suggest above, her comments are
pathological -- they are driven by what is going on in her mind, not
by what others are saying and doing.  In the past two weeks, Lyn has
attacked:

- Calvin for raising a litter of kittens.
- You for posting a news link.
- Mary for mentioning her child's given name.
- CatNipped for having a family affected by the flood.

I don't think Lyn is a troll, either.  I suspect she is the real deal,
a person who is emotionally out of control, probably with the
substance abuse issues that usually accompany that turf.

Charlie
-L. - 01 Sep 2005 09:02 GMT
> I don't think Lyn is a troll, either.  I suspect she is the real deal,
> a person who is emotionally out of control, probably with the
> substance abuse issues that usually accompany that turf.
>
> Charlie

Keep committing libel, Charles.  I'd like a house on San Juan as well.

-L.
Charlie Wilkes - 01 Sep 2005 09:35 GMT
>> I don't think Lyn is a troll, either.  I suspect she is the real deal,
>> a person who is emotionally out of control, probably with the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>-L.

I'm not libeling you, Lyn.  That is your imagination at work again.
I'm offering a supposition based on what I read here.  I'm trying to
be helpful, you know.  You have generated deep resentment with your
comments to and about CatNipped.  I'm encouraging the people in this
group to understand that certain individuals are not in control of
their emotions and do not have a grasp of how they come across to
others, and should not be targetted for harrassment despite the
provocation they offer.

Charlie
-L. - 01 Sep 2005 09:47 GMT
> >> I don't think Lyn is a troll, either.  I suspect she is the real deal,
> >> a person who is emotionally out of control, probably with the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> I'm not libeling you, Lyn.

Yes you are.  You have said time and time again that I have "substance
abuse issues", am drunk when I post and various other accusations.
Pretty cherry coming from an admitted pot smoker and grower who "has
people coming in and out all the time" from his homes.  I know exactly
what kind of "consultant" you are.

>That is your imagination at work again.
> I'm offering a supposition based on what I read here.  I'm trying to
> be helpful, you know.

Sure you are.

>You have generated deep resentment with your
> comments to and about CatNipped.

Too bad.  Do you really think anyone buys your "concern" for a
newsgroup you so openly loathe?

>I'm encouraging the people in this
> group to understand that certain individuals are not in control of
> their emotions and do not have a grasp of how they come across to
> others, and should not be targetted for harrassment despite the
> provocation they offer.

Ummm hum.  Keep the libel up, Charlie Wilkes.  Just keep it up.  What's
that house worth?  500K?

-L.
Charlie Wilkes - 01 Sep 2005 10:20 GMT
>> >> I don't think Lyn is a troll, either.  I suspect she is the real deal,
>> >> a person who is emotionally out of control, probably with the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Yes you are.  You have said time and time again that I have "substance
>abuse issues", am drunk when I post and various other accusations.

Either that or you are mentally ill, or else your whole persona is an
act.  There are only so many ways to stack one brick.

>Pretty cherry coming from an admitted pot smoker and grower who "has
>people coming in and out all the time" from his homes.  I know exactly
>what kind of "consultant" you are.

Feel free to speculate all you want.

>>That is your imagination at work again.
>> I'm offering a supposition based on what I read here.  I'm trying to
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Too bad.  Do you really think anyone buys your "concern" for a
>newsgroup you so openly loathe?

My concern is for you, not the newsgroup.

>>I'm encouraging the people in this
>> group to understand that certain individuals are not in control of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Ummm hum.  Keep the libel up, Charlie Wilkes.  Just keep it up.  What's
>that house worth?  500K?

You will have to get an appraisal done after the court awards it to
you, but that's a chicken that might not hatch for awhile.

Charlie
Hans Schrøder - 01 Sep 2005 23:46 GMT
Oh, yes, I know it is true.. A wise man once said "The difference between
underdeveloped countries and industrialized countries, is that in the
industrialized countries, illiterates are able to read and write!"

Hans
Joske - 01 Sep 2005 20:58 GMT
>> In news:1125449132.572458.39020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
>> idontmind@gmail.com

>>>> I will not only pretend, but state with full conviction that
>>>> you are enjoying this.

>>> Oh shut up Joske.  You jump on the sh.t-slinging bandwagon at
>>> every chance.

>> You jumped on my post in rpchb about a cat in NO, basically
>> stating it was nonsense to worry about a cat and to worry about
>> people instead (Irak). Moments later I find you here being
>> equally heartless about two dogs left behind in NO, having made
>> a full turn and screaming at the top of your lungs how the dogs
>> should have taken equal place with the humans.

>> And then I'm the one "jumping sh.t"? I don't think so. Your
>> "values" change according to the cruelty you can't resist
>> inflicting.

>>>  For being Dutch, you are a real a.shole.
>>> -L.

>> I just think you swear so much because you need the noise to
>> stifle the little voice telling you how ugly you have become.

> She's mentally ill, Joske.  As you suggest above, her comments are
> pathological -- they are driven by what is going on in her mind,
> not by what others are saying and doing.  In the past two weeks,
> Lyn has attacked:

>  - Calvin for raising a litter of kittens.
>  - You for posting a news link.
>  - Mary for mentioning her child's given name.
>  - CatNipped for having a family affected by the flood.

> I don't think Lyn is a troll, either.  I suspect she is the real
> deal, a person who is emotionally out of control, probably with
> the substance abuse issues that usually accompany that turf.

Lyn's (self)hatred is evident and can certainly be classified as
part of a mental problem. But, following her own rules about
families forced to leave dogs behind,
and homeless people having no place to flee to with their pets, this
can be said: it is no excuse to abuse cat newsgroups to vent the
hatred. Seeing she is still able to write, she is capable of taking
responsibility for her problem - as she expects of people in far
worse situations right now.

On a happier cat note: I saw on CNN just now that the family who had
been missing the dad/ husband who stayed behind to rescue the
daughter's cat, has been reunited including the cat. Amidst the
horrifying suffering, that is good to see.

Joske
kilikini - 01 Sep 2005 22:10 GMT
> >> In news:1125449132.572458.39020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
> >> idontmind@gmail.com
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Joske

I was wondering what happened to them!  Thanks for the update!

kili
Charlie Wilkes - 31 Aug 2005 08:33 GMT
>In news:1125425556.813325.273750@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
>gentleboa@peacemail.com
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>the look-out to find fault with people to give yourself a sense of
>importance. In that sense you definitely are a troll.

Her behavior and comments are sickening because she is a mentally ill
woman.

Charlie
-L. - 31 Aug 2005 08:37 GMT
> Her behavior and comments are sickening because she is a mentally ill
> woman.
>
> Charlie

Hey, I'm not the one hanging my cat for kicks...

-L.
Gracecat - 30 Aug 2005 22:19 GMT
> hopitus wrote: They're all on
>> 'Nipped's case because she has once more "put her business in the street"
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> -L.

Newsflash Bitch... The people were instructed to leave animals at home or
THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED SHELTER!

So, whatcha gonna do, sit and drown in your home, or hope the pets make it
in your home... OR! be forced to release them in downtown French Quarter?

And for your information I have no idea of CN's family tried or not. Not the
problem here. but I did have friends and very dear people try to leave.
Guess what, they couldn't. The interstate was gridlocked. But I guess they
should have blinked their eyes and alacadabra, Guess WHAT L!!! ! We
magically saved our dogs and ourselves by flying on a broomstick to an
animal friendly shelter.

I don't say it to too many people because I know how tragedy hurts but
someone really should come in and cause as much personal pain to you as
humanly possible.
Nan - 30 Aug 2005 22:34 GMT
Snipped garbage

>> -L.
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>someone really should come in and cause as much personal pain to you as
>humanly possible.

WAY TO GO, Grace.  All Lyn is doing is trying to stir up trouble.  She
and a few others have really been on CN's case about this.

Purrs and Hugs,

Nan
Gracecat - 30 Aug 2005 22:43 GMT
> Snipped garbage
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Nan

Nan, I've had friends that lived through NYC during September 11th. I
sympathized by never really quite grasped the aversion they appeared to have
towards any negativity against people that day. They'd literally pop a cork
if someone suggested conspiracy theories and whatnot around them. It's quite
seriously a no-no topic.

I guess I understand better now just how protective they are towards any
malicious comments towards an event. And how livid it could make a person.
L-'s comments have quite literally given me a headache.

Grace
Nan - 30 Aug 2005 22:52 GMT
>> WAY TO GO, Grace.  All Lyn is doing is trying to stir up trouble.  She
>> and a few others have really been on CN's case about this.
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>Grace

I normally stay out of flaming discussions, but this one was coming a
bit too close to home.  It all started with MaryL jumping on CN about
the grand-dogs being left behind, and from there it accelerated to the
point that CN is leaving the group.

Purrs and Hugs,

Nan
MaryL - 31 Aug 2005 00:45 GMT
>>> WAY TO GO, Grace.  All Lyn is doing is trying to stir up trouble.  She
>>> and a few others have really been on CN's case about this.
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> Nan

I don't think I "jumped on" her, especially if you read my two follow-up
messages (one posted only an hour or so later).  At the same time, I
honestely do believe that her daughter should have taken action to save the
dogs.  This was a true emergency and terrible tragedies have occurred.  At
the same time, her daughter had warning for several days, they were prepared
to evacuate, they knew the size of their dogs and the type of vehicle they
would be using; so I think they should have made other arrangements.  All of
this does not reduce the magnitude of the tragedy that so many people are
facing.

MaryL
jmcquown - 31 Aug 2005 09:28 GMT
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> Nan

The fact is, CN posted about it but she didn't have any control over what
her family did or did not do with the dogs.  She wasn't there and she
couldn't reach them by telephone.  So jumping all over CN for being a tad
upset about the dogs when she finally did hear what they had to do doesn't
accomplish a darn thing.  I did not *ever* get the feeling she advocated it.
Such a post should not engender personal attacks on her.

Jill
Brad W. - 30 Aug 2005 23:09 GMT
> > The only one in that family who deserves sympathy are those poor dogs.
> > I at least hope they went without too much struggle.
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> someone really should come in and cause as much personal pain to you as
> humanly possible.

In the works. <G> Within legal limits, of course. We have
a committee working assiduously on it as I type. Your wish
is our command, dear Gracecat.
CatNipped - 30 Aug 2005 23:31 GMT
> > hopitus wrote: They're all on
> >> 'Nipped's case because she has once more "put her business in the street"
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> someone really should come in and cause as much personal pain to you as
> humanly possible.

Thank you Grace.  This is my last post here at least for a good while, but I
had to say this...

I'm sure I'll be back to RPCA eventually, but it's really hard to put
anything into proper perspective right now. I can't quit crying long enough
to even try to comfort my granddaughters much less counter flames. I
certainly can't deal with Lyn saying, "The only one in that family who
deserves sympathy are those poor dogs" when I watch my 6-year-old
granddaughter cry herself to sleep about her dog. *SHE* certainly wasn't
responsible for what happened.

The thing is, they went to bed to a category 3 hurricane, forgot to arm the
alarm clock, and woke up to a category 5 hurricane and *mandatory*
*immediate* evacuation. They didn't have "days" to prepare as Lyn implies.

Since I've moved to Houston they've had to evacuate here at least 10 times -
and every single time they brought their dogs, and every single time they
had to turn right around and go back home within a day when the hurricane
missed. This time they didn't have room inside the truck for the dogs and
sincerely thought that the 13-year-old bitch, if not the puppy, could have
died in the heat of the back of the truck during the 14-hour (5MPH) drive in
98 degree heat even if they could have gotten the cover off the truck bed.

They *TRULY* thought the dogs would be safer and better off "spending the
night" at home.

All the "could-have beens", "should-have-beens", and "would-have-beens" in
the world are not going to bring their dogs back, and nobody knows that
better than they do. If guilt, sadness, remorse, and regret could bring them
back, the dogs would be safe here now, but that's not to be and we need to
deal with the aftermath of a very bad decision in a very bad situation,
especially as it affects the children.

Now, the storm situation update... I did hear from my mother and she and my
oldest brother, his wife, their two children and their three grandchildren
are safe in a hotel room in Marksville, LA - they're going to be looking for
an apartment there soon since nobody can go back to the city for months.

I found out that my younger (but older than me) brother and his wife and my
niece, her husband, and their two children did not leave St. Bernard Parish.

I've seen on the internet* the reason why they're not showing pictures of
St. Bernard (the worst hit area) on TV although they are showing extensive
pictures of Orleans and Jefferson and other parishes.

It's because there are so many bodies floating in the water in St. Bernard
that it's too gruesome to show on television (the mayor of N.O. did say that
he saw extensive numbers of bodies floating in the water, but they won't
show it).

I'm afraid I may have lost several members of my family - but we won't know
for sure maybe for months. All I can do is hope and pray that they were one
of the lucky ones.

*Someone posted a picture of the flooding in Chalmette (and ohmygawd, I
recognize the building and the neighborhoods where I grew up!!), but I won't
post it here, it really is too gruesome.

Hugs,

Lori
idontmind@gmail.com - 31 Aug 2005 01:27 GMT
> Thank you Grace.  This is my last post here at least for a good while, but I
> had to say this...
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> alarm clock, and woke up to a category 5 hurricane and *mandatory*
> *immediate* evacuation. They didn't have "days" to prepare as Lyn implies.

Utter unadulterated bullshit and YOU know it.  Anyone within earshot
knew that hurricane was on its way.  Excuse after excuse - that's all
you can come up with.

Goodbye and good riddance you piece of sh.t.  I hope you picture those
dogs drowning over and over and over.  If you hate me for that
statement think of this:  Maybe you shouldn't have "shared" your little
fantasy with us in the first place.

> Since I've moved to Houston they've had to evacuate here at least 10 times -
> and every single time they brought their dogs, and every single time they
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> They *TRULY* thought the dogs would be safer and better off "spending the
> night" at home.

Again, that's just plain *stupidity*.  Not much common sense - but
coming from you what is to be expected.

> All the "could-have beens", "should-have-beens", and "would-have-beens" in
> the world are not going to bring their dogs back, and nobody knows that
> better than they do. If guilt, sadness, remorse, and regret could bring them
> back, the dogs would be safe here now, but that's not to be and we need to
> deal with the aftermath of a very bad decision in a very bad situation,
> especially as it affects the children.

How about accepting responsibility as well?  No, that will never
happen.

I don't believe a word of anything else you post.  You have cried wolf
far too many times.  I'm taking bets that sooner or later, all of your
family will be miraculously "found".  Attention whore that you are.

Don't let the door hit you on the a.s...

-L.
Jeanne Hedge - 31 Aug 2005 03:29 GMT
For the 'Merkins on the list, what's your favorite Labor Day recipe?

For the non-'Merkins on the list, is there a big September/late summer
holiday in your country? If so, what's your favorite recipe for the
festivities? If not, what's your favorite recipe for this time of
year?

Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

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sriddles@aol.com - 31 Aug 2005 04:38 GMT
> For the 'Merkins on the list, what's your favorite Labor Day recipe?
>
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> year?
> Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

To me, Labor Day is the last hoo-rah of summer. So it's outdoor
grilling, cold salads, light or frozen desserts. Fresh garden
vegetables maybe. Ya'll already know I'm *not* a good cook. But I found
this very easy dessert recipe that's light and delicious, and if you
substitute fat-free cool whip & cream cheese, it's very low fat.
Strawberry Angel Food Layered Dessert
(Angel food pieces are topped with sweetened cream cheese, strawberries
and whipped topping, then covered with strawberries in a glaze)

·    1 large (10-12") or 2 small (8") store bought angel food
cakes (I use 2 small 8 inche sponge cakes)
·    2 (8 ounce) packages cream cheese, softened
·    ¾ cup white sugar
·    1 (8 ounce) container frozen whipped topping, thawed
·    1 quart fresh strawberries, sliced
·    1 (14 ounce) container of strawberry glaze (found in the produce
section of the store)

Directions

1.    Tear the cake into pieces and place in a 9 x 13 pan.
2.    In a medium bowl, cream the cream cheese and sugar until light
and fluffy.  Fold in whipped topping.  Mash the cake down with your
hands and spread the cream cheese mixture evenly over the cake.
3.    In another bowl, combine strawberries and glaze until
strawberries are evenly coated.  Spread over the cream cheese layer.
Chill until serving.

NOTE:  The above is the original recipe.  In addition to the
strawberries for the top of the cake, I slice up about 1 more
additional cup of strawberries in a small bowl and added a little white
sugar to sweeten and then folded them into the cream cheese mixture.
It makes the dessert so much more delicious.
Jeanne Hedge - 01 Sep 2005 01:47 GMT
>To me, Labor Day is the last hoo-rah of summer. So it's outdoor
>grilling, cold salads, light or frozen desserts. Fresh garden
>vegetables maybe. Ya'll already know I'm *not* a good cook. But I found
>this very easy dessert recipe that's light and delicious, and if you
>substitute fat-free cool whip & cream cheese, it's very low fat.
>Strawberry Angel Food Layered Dessert

That sounds *very* yummy! :)

How many servings does this recipe make? I'm assuming you just scoop
it from the bowl to serve, like you'd do with ice cream?

Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

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SuzQ - 04 Sep 2005 16:42 GMT
On the East Coast especially by the shore you have a Clam Bake. You build a
fired on the beach; get a large fireproof container. In layers you add red
potatoes, ears of corn (in the Northeast)lobster, clams you add seaweed
between each layer season with Old Bay and let stuff steam until fully
cooked. Before pollution you dug up your own clams. In another pot you
cook potatoes and bacon or salt pork cook a bit, add clam juice, pepper
onions later add clams and milk or cream. Simmer and voila you'e got New
England clam Chowder or chowdah:o) If you're in Rhode Island no cream or
milk, in the New York area tomatoes instead not cream.
Suz
Trish - 04 Sep 2005 16:52 GMT
> On the East Coast especially by the shore you have a Clam Bake. You build a
> fired on the beach; get a large fireproof container. In layers you add red
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> milk, in the New York area tomatoes instead not cream.
> Suz

Where I'm from we would have the same kind of cookout on the beaches
every Friday night but without clams, we use mussels, then everyone
brings along wine and beer, a loud stereo, plenty of cd's and it lasts
til early morning.
Kreisleriana - 04 Sep 2005 18:31 GMT
>On the East Coast especially by the shore you have a Clam Bake. You build a
>fired on the beach; get a large fireproof container. In layers you add red
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>milk, in the New York area tomatoes instead not cream.
>Suz

Exactly!  I remember on "The Simpsons" when a relative of Mayor Quimby
went into a rage and brutally beat someone for saying "chowder"
instead of "chowdah" ;)

Theresa
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wafflycat - 31 Aug 2005 09:00 GMT
> For the 'Merkins on the list, what's your favorite Labor Day recipe?
>
> For the non-'Merkins on the list, is there a big September/late summer
> holiday in your country? If so, what's your favorite recipe for the
> festivities? If not, what's your favorite recipe for this time of
> year?

I suppose of nearest thing is not a formal day of holiday, but Harvest
Festival - a Sunday where if you go to church, you take in an offering of
food - used to be fruit and/or vegetables - sometimes flowers - you'd grown
yourself and a service of thanksgiving for the harvest would be held. Quite
often the fruit, veggies, etc., would be donated to the parish needy...
pensioners... hospital... you get my drift. There's also be a Harvest
Supper, in say, the village hall, where the community would come together
and have a communal meal. This happens a lot less these days, which is a
shame. When I was a kid, often the meal would be a meat pie, with vegetables
such as peas, carrots...

The meat would usually be beef, finely minced and done in a rich gravy,
encased in a light shortcrust pastry.

Delicious.

Cheers, helen s
Jeanne Hedge - 01 Sep 2005 01:49 GMT
>I suppose of near