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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / September 2005Oh Gawd Grand-dogs Had to be Left!!!
I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but they're still on the spillway (a miles-long bridge over the swamp just north of Baton Rouge). But I forgot they no longer had their Suburban (it finally gave up the ghost and they were left with only an extended cab truck)! They didn't have room to take their two dogs with them when they evacuated - their three children *had* to come first, of course! But their dogs are like children to them. Gypsie (the golden retriever) has been with them for 13 years now and their Rottweiller is still a puppy!!! They left the doggie door to the back yard open and left them plenty of food in the timed feeder and plenty of water. But ohmygawd - they had to leave members of their family and they may not be able to get back home for *months*! There's nobody left in the neighborhood to look in on them and if disaster strikes the emergency personnel are going to be too busy trying to save people to worry about pets left behind. Again, please send purrs for this horrible, horrible situation that is effecting *so* many people and pets! Hugs, CatNipped >I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but >they're [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > CatNipped I don't understand that decision *at all.* I would have found a way to bring the dogs, no matter how crowded the vehicle was. It would have been far better to travel in discomfort than to leave those poor dogs behind in circumstances like these. In my view, what they did was immoral and unforgiveable. MaryL > >I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but > >they're [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > MaryL We're talking about a golden retriever and a Rottweiller - not toy poodles - in a *TRUCK* with *FIVE* people. There *IS* such a thing as *NOT ENOUGH SPACE*. You can't make the impossible happen by wishing it. They were lucky to be able to get themselves and their children out of the city - there are 100,000 who were not so lucky. I hate that they had to make that choice, but I'm glad that my granddaughters will be saved. I really hope you are never forced to make such a decision, but until you are place in such a situation I would hope that you would withhold judgment on people who are. Hugs, CatNipped >> >I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but >> >they're [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > CatNipped Yes, it's possible that it really was impossible to include the dogs (especially if they were in a truck -- something I didn't pick up from your original note, even though you did mention it). In that case, I was much too harsh and I apologize. I do hate it, though, when I read of cases where it would have been possible to transport pets but they were left behind because of comfort. MaryL > >> >I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but > >> >they're [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > MaryL That's OK, I understand. I was shocked when I heard it too. The dogs are really like furry children to them. When I finally got on the phone with my daughter, after going on and on about the horrible aftermath that could be expected and saying that it may be months before people could get back, I mentioned that she must be going crazy being trapped in the car for 9 hours already (and not even a third of the way here) with three children and two dogs. She said, "Mom, we couldn't bring the dogs" and she burst out crying (although she was trying not to upset the kids who think the dogs will be fine for a day or two - which, please GOD, may be the case). I *know* that if there were *any* possible way they would have brought their dogs with them. Hugs, CatNipped > > Yes, it's possible that it really was impossible to include the dogs > > (especially if they were in a truck -- something I didn't pick up from [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > CatNipped (much stuff snipped) This is such terrible news; this whole hurricane situation has me absolutely glued to the Weather Channel. Had it come eastward my way, we'd be in the same boat - literally BOAT. I only have a small cat carrier and since Miss Pua has to be isolated due to her ringworm, what would *I* have done had the tables been turned? It's so sad and so difficult. My purrs go out to your family. kili I only have a small cat carrier and since Miss > Pua has to be isolated due to her ringworm, what would *I* have done had the > tables been turned? It's so sad and so difficult. My purrs go out to your > family./// I would have said "Bugger the ringworm" shoved both cats in the carrier and worried about it later. Helen M > I only have a small cat carrier and since Miss >> Pua has to be isolated due to her ringworm, what would *I* have done [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Helen M Except kili has *three* cats counting Miss Pua. >> I only have a small cat carrier and since Miss >>> Pua has to be isolated due to her ringworm, what would *I* have done [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Except kili has *three* cats counting Miss Pua. One cat could be placed on a harness and leash and attached to a seat belt. As I said in another post, this is not ideal, but it would be better than being left behind to face a hurricane. MaryL >> I only have a small cat carrier and since Miss >>> Pua has to be isolated due to her ringworm, what would *I* have done [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Except kili has *three* cats counting Miss Pua. Shove the three in then, on top of each other, we're talking of chance of dying here if they don't get out. It isn't a question of comfort, its survival so squash up everyone, be cramped for a while and LIVE. Tweed > I only have a small cat carrier and since Miss >> Pua has to be isolated due to her ringworm, what would *I* have done had [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Helen M Me too. Tweed >>> Yes, it's possible that it really was impossible to include the dogs >>> (especially if they were in a truck -- something I didn't pick up from [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > kili You definitely need to invest in more carriers as soon as you are able living in the area you do. I really hate this part of storms and all the poor animals that are left behind :( >> >> >I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but >> >> >they're [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > > CatNipped I have been thinking some more about this and have literally agonizing over the possible fate of those poor dogs. I have a suggestion for next time (which, hopefully, will not come...but probably will, given the frequency of hurricanes). The dogs could ride in the bed of the truck. Dump anything out of the bed that is necessary to make room for the dogs. I would hope that carriers are avialable, but if not, this is one time when I would recommend tying the dogs securely to something in the bed of the truck. That certainly is not ideal, but it is a lot better than leaving them behind to face the wrath of a hurricane. In other words, do whatever it takes to save lives (2-legged and 4-legged), and pack possessions only after arrangements have been made for people and pets. As it is, the dogs won't have food and clean water for more than a few days -- and not even that if water washes through the house. MaryL > I have been thinking some more about this and have literally agonizing over > the possible fate of those poor dogs. I have a suggestion for next time [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > MaryL They make crates that I swear are big enough to put a small horse in. I"m sure even those trucks with bed covers are removable somehow, aren't they? Might be a thought, to have one of those on hand, for anyone who lives in hurricane-land. Sherry My truck has a custom-made bedcover w/hydraulic lifts. There are heavyweight items in bed which help avoiding fishtailing in bad winter weather here, so hoomins riding in there would be *most* unhappy, but d-pets of *any* size could ride there if I was fleeing a Cat.5 'cane w/o any crate. Bedcover described is not removable...I put it on before moving out of FL instead of a camper-top. They are about equal in price. I wanted less vision obstruction in rear views, and quite a few boxes fit in there during the move here. The tonneau covers (cute french term for bedcovers) of cloth or other lighter material are probably removeable, I dunno. One w/o hydraulic lifts might be, again that isn't the kind I have. >> I have been thinking some more about this and have literally agonizing >> over [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Sherry > That's OK, I understand. I was shocked when I heard it too. The dogs are > really like furry children to them. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > CatNipped Of course they would have! Joy >When I finally got on the phone with my daughter, after going on and on >about the horrible aftermath that could be expected and saying that it may [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >CatNipped Many purrs and purrayers for your family and their dogs... I'm sure you'll be relieved to see that Katrina's dropped down in strength to to Cat. 3 (and falling) AND it turned eastward before it hit the main part of the coast... so the D-creatures should hopefully be okay up in Baton Rouge because they didn't get nearly as hard a hit as they might have... after riding out the South Florida hit (right on our doorstep) which was only a Cat. 1, they have my extreme sympathies!  Signature~Karen aka Kajikit Crafts, cats, and chocolate - the three essentials of life http://www.kajikitscorner.com Online photo album - http://community.webshots.com/user/kajikit > Yes, it's possible that it really was impossible to include the dogs > (especially if they were in a truck -- something I didn't pick up from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > MaryL It's easier to second-guess choices people make in such a crisis situation when you are not in that situation. Of course, Catnipped is relieved that her grandchildren and daughter are on their way to safety and I'm sure anyone with a heart also would be relieved. The family must have been broken-hearted to leave the dogs behind. Although this was the only choice they saw at the time, it may not have been their only choice. I mean no unkindness to Catnipped's family and hope that they and their dogs find safety and they are reunited soon. However, there is a lesson here for all of us, especially those of us who live in areas prone to hurricanes or other disasters. We need to plan ahead for emergencies so that such decisions are made well in advance when heads are clear and everything is not so rushed. This includes planning for all family members, even the furry ones. I live in a hurricane prone area. We have evacuated once in the 10 years that we have been here. We learned from that what we had done right and other ways we could have been better prepared. Our plans have always included a travel crate for each of our cats and they will go regardless of whatever precious items we have to leave behind. We bought our car based on if there was a place to put the crates. We even took the largest crate with us when we went car shopping, just to make sure it would fit. When we evacuated, we even made room for Rosie, a feral I had trapped only a couple of months earlier and who was still totally wild. (How we got her in the crate is a story in itself.) If we had dogs and a pickup truck with no room in the cab, we would have put the dogs in hard-sided crates in the bed of the truck. Yes, it would have been a miserable and wet ride for them, but they'd be as safe as we were. I do not say this to put down Catnipped's relatives or to make anyone feel worse than they already do. I say this in hopes that people will think ahead and find ways to take the furry family members along. Annie > We're talking about a golden retriever and a Rottweiller - not toy poodles - > in a *TRUCK* with *FIVE* people. There *IS* such a thing as *NOT ENOUGH [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > such a decision, but until you are place in such a situation I would hope > that you would withhold judgment on people who are. Around here, dogs are often seen riding in the beds of pickups. But I suppose they had it all filled with luggage. Purrs going out for the people and pups. > > We're talking about a golden retriever and a Rottweiller - not toy > poodles - [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Purrs going out for the people and pups. No, the dogs would have come before possessions, believe me. They don't have an open-bed truck-bed - they have one of those attached covers that comes up (a little) on a hinge. Hugs, CatNipped > > >I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but > > >they're [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > CatNipped I'm with you, CatNipped! Joy > >I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but > >they're [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > MaryL I wouldn't say immoral, but yeah, I would have found a way to take everyone. I absolutely agree. kili > I don't understand that decision *at all.* I would have found a way to > bring the dogs, no matter how crowded the vehicle was. It would have been > far better to travel in discomfort than to leave those poor dogs behind in > circumstances like these. In my view, what they did was immoral and > unforgiveable. Ever been in that sort of situation? It's easy for those of us who have not been to make judgements. (Myself, not being overly fond of children, I might have opted to leave the kids and take the dogs!) ;-) Sometimes it just IS NOT POSSIBLE to do as we would like. How many people "have to" get rid of their pets, because their new housing will not allow them? To most of us, that seems like an obvious choice - just find somewhere else to live. But what if you're moving into some sort of invalid care, where you NEED that kind of accommodation, but they won't allow pets? > I don't understand that decision *at all.* I would have found a way to > bring the dogs, no matter how crowded the vehicle was. It would have been [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > MaryL I do hope that anyone who criticises the decision *never* but *never* finds themselves in an emergency situation. It's easy to criticise but no-one really knows how they'd react until you are in that situation. Not everyone can have everything on hand to be able to take care of everything in an emergency. Isn't it nice for the rest of us to be so perfect that we'd have 'found a way'... I really hope you or anyone else with such are view really ever are put in such a position where you may be faced with a choice you don't like to have to make. Cheers, helen s > But I forgot they no longer had their Suburban (it finally gave up the ghost > and they were left with only an extended cab truck)! They didn't have room [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But their dogs are like children to them. Gypsie (the golden retriever) has > been with them for 13 years now and their Rottweiller is still a puppy!!! A horrible situation. Prayers and purrs that the doggies survive. Helen M >I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but they're >still on the spillway (a miles-long bridge over the swamp just north of [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >CatNipped Holy crap. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but > they're still on the spillway (a miles-long bridge over the swamp [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > CatNipped That is very worrying, purrs that the dogs, and all the other animals and people left behind, will be OK. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > They left the doggie door to the back yard open and left them plenty of food > in the timed feeder and plenty of water. But ohmygawd - they had to leave > members of their family and they may not be able to get back home for > *months*! There's nobody left in the neighborhood to look in on them and >if > disaster strikes the emergency personnel are going to be too busy trying >to > save people to worry about pets left behind. Doesn't the timed feeder run on electricity? From what I've been reading, the electric is probably going to go out and stay out a long time. It's a terrible, terrible situation. I think I might have tied the dogs in the bed of the truck even though that is unsafe itself. I realize that it's easy for us all to say what we'd do when we're not the ones living it but this doesn't seem like it will have a happy outcom especially if the electricity goes out. And I'm sure it happened to many, many other animals plus there are strays who no one will help anyway as well as all the wild animals, big and small. It's awful!!!!! Here in AZ, when we have forest fires or flooding and people are evacuated, the Humane Society goes in ASAP and rescues animals left behind. I'm sure they will do that there also but someone will have to notify them where the dogs are and the sheer magnitude of the numbers that are probably being left behind may hinder the rescue effort. I am very sad for all the animals that will be affected and I truly hope this isn't going to be nearly as bad as they are predicting. Candace > > They left the doggie door to the back yard open and left them plenty of food > > in the timed feeder and plenty of water. But ohmygawd - they had to leave [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Candace No, the feeder they have is battery operated, I think. They don't have an open-bed truck-bed - they have one of those attached covers that lever up on hinges. But I think I would have tried that too - anything is better than being left. But also, I don't think they knew exactly how bad it was going to be or they would have found *SOME* solution (there has been so many, many times that they evacuated and then turned right around and went back again when the hurricane turned at the last minute). It's a horrible situation and I'm sure they're going to be second-guessing themselves and beating themselves up about this is they can't get back to save their dogs. I just heard on the news that all the people going to the Superdome have to leave their animals at home too. It's really, really sad. Hugs, CatNipped My goodness - I just feel sick for all those people and all those animals. I keep checking CNN to see the status but it doesn't say when its supposed to hit. I'm revving the boys up for lots of purrs and safe thoughts for all the animals and people. Susan M Otis and Chester "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote in message > minute). It's a horrible situation and I'm sure they're going to be > second-guessing themselves and beating themselves up about this is they [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > CatNipped > I just heard on the news that all the people going to the Superdome have >to > leave their animals at home too. It's really, really sad. I'm not saying this in reference to your daughter but I think about stuff like this because I'm a worrier. I think I'd rather have gone to the Superdome if I had to leave my animals behind because at least once it's passed you can get back home easier. The people who have left town may have a hard time getting back for awhile. I'd feel a tiny bit better knowing I was still in the same town as my animals and that I could get back in a couple of days. I just hope some of this is media hype. You know how many times they make a disaster out of something that fortunately never reaches the magnitude they are predicting...like Y2K, etc. Of course, weather is different but no one really knows what turns that storm may take. Candace > > I just heard on the news that all the people going to the Superdome have >to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Candace Not necessarily - when Betsy hit we went to my grandmother's house just 15 miles away, but our house got flooded and the flood didn't recede for almost 2 weeks so we couldn't get back to our house. Hugs, CatNipped > No, the feeder they have is battery operated, I think. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > CatNipped The HSUS has teams they send out in disasters. Another group called EARS, (I don't know what that stands for) has worked alongside the HSUS here in the aftermath of tornados for the benefit of displaced pets. I just can't say enough good about how dedicated. those people are. I'm sure there will also be local groups also. I hope they are able to get back to the dogs. Sherry > > No, the feeder they have is battery operated, I think. > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Sherry Thanks, we will certainly be doing everything possible to get them rescued - I just wish I had talked to them before they left the house so I could have (maybe) suggested some way they could have brought the dogs with them. Hugs, CatNipped > > > No, the feeder they have is battery operated, I think. > > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > CatNipped Hi CN, Keeping your family and their pets in my prayers, none of us know why they made the choice to leave their dogs behind for certain, they may have been panicking and weren't thinking correctly, there are lots and lots of crossed paws here tonight for you and your crew. I can only say I've never been in the situation your family is in and I hope I never will be, I'll keep praying for them all until they are reunited. I've been following the events on CNN and this guy's blog, I'm praying for a miracle. Hugs and prayers Trish > Hi CN, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Hugs and prayers > Trish Oh Lookie - Trixie got religion. Do you act like a c.nt in church, too? And I'll bet you claim to be Christian, too. f.cking hypocrite. -L. > > Hi CN, > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -L. bless you child, now go suck the life from another cheap bottle of wine > But I forgot they no longer had their Suburban (it finally gave up the ghost > and they were left with only an extended cab truck)! They didn't have room > to take their two dogs with them when they evacuated - their three children > *had* to come first, of course! What a load of BS! How much room does it take to fit two dogs in a car? So they left the dogs behind to possibly die? If the dogs survive this hopefully the ASPCA will get them and keep them. Hopefully the dogs will find a REAL home instead of the crappy one they had. > > But I forgot they no longer had their Suburban (it finally gave up the ghost > > and they were left with only an extended cab truck)! They didn't have room [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > hopefully the ASPCA will get them and keep them. Hopefully the dogs will > find a REAL home instead of the crappy one they had. We're talking about a golden retriever and a Rottweiller - not toy poodles - in a *TRUCK* with *FIVE* people. There *IS* such a thing as *NOT ENOUGH SPACE*. You can't make the impossible happen by wishing it. They were lucky to be able to get themselves and their children out of the city - there are 100,000 who were not so lucky. I hate that they had to make that choice, but I'm glad that my granddaughters will be saved. I really hope you are never forced to make such a decision, but until you are placed in such a situation I would hope that you would withhold judgment on people who are. Hugs, CatNipped -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> >We're talking about a golden retriever and a Rottweiller - not toy poodles - >in a *TRUCK* with *FIVE* people. There *IS* such a thing as *NOT ENOUGH [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >CatNipped I've heard on the news that the LA SPCA has said that anyone who evacuated and left their pets behind will be charged with animal cruelty. > >I hate that they had to make that choice, but I'm glad that my > >granddaughters will be saved. I really hope you are never forced to make [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > anyone who evacuated and left their pets behind will > be charged with animal cruelty. It sounds to me as if CN's daughter and son-in-law had to make an unbelievably difficult choice in the wake of HAVING to evacuate in the very short time before Katrina hit New Orleans. I don't know how clearly I could think and how rationally I would behave in those circumstances. But I cannot condemn parents for putting their children first in an emergency like this, nor would I charge them with animal cruelty. I'm sure CN's daughter and SIL did not WANT to endanger their beloved dogs, and provided for them as well as they possibly could. I purr and pray that the granddogs will make it through the storm, and that the family will be reunited safely. Melisa >It sounds to me as if CN's daughter and son-in-law had to make an >unbelievably difficult choice in the wake of HAVING to evacuate in the very [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Melisa Sorry for the piggyback, but DSL has been down and I haven't been able to see all of the posts! Thanks, Melissa, I couldn't have said it better myself. CN, I just wanted you to know that mega purrs and prayers are headed your way for your daughter and her family. I don't know why people think that they have to chastize you for something that is not your fault. I'm sure that you feel bad enough without all of the negativity regarding the grand-dogs being left behind. I wonder just how all of the nay-sayers would react under similar circumstances. Keep your chin up and remember that we are here for you. Purrs and Hugs, Nan > I've heard on the news that the LA SPCA has said that > anyone who evacuated and left their pets behind will > be charged with animal cruelty. Then maybe the citizens should charge Louisiana officials with animal cruelty for not letting the pets into the shelters. What else are some of the folks to do? Sherry > > I've heard on the news that the LA SPCA has said that > > anyone who evacuated and left their pets behind will [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sherry Yeah, that doesn't seem to fit, does it. Although, I have to say, if I lived in a vulnerable area I sure as heck would have a plan. That aside, it does seem like they need to let people bring their pets to the shelters if they can be charged for leaving them. >> > I've heard on the news that the LA SPCA has said that >> > anyone who evacuated and left their pets behind will [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > seem like they need to let people bring their pets to the shelters if they > can be charged for leaving them. Trouble is that results in even more chaos. People in shelters often don't behave very well. And many are very allergic. Lots of pets don't behave very well under normal circumstances and many pet owners don't take responsibility for cleaning up after them etc. Jo > >> > I've heard on the news that the LA SPCA has said that > >> > anyone who evacuated and left their pets behind will [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Jo Well, in some cases there could be the "people only shelter" and the "those with pets" shelter, seems to me. >> Trouble is that results in even more chaos. People in shelters often > don't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, in some cases there could be the "people only shelter" and the "those > with pets" shelter, seems to me. A couple of years ago when Southern CA had our huge forest fires one of the evacuation shelters was in a former aircraft hanger at what used to be Norton Air Force Base. When they were preparing the hanger for use by the evacuees, someone decided to prep an adjacent area as a pet evacuation area. I realize that some evacuation venues wouldn't lend themselves to sheltering pets as well, but I would sure hope that emergency preparedness folks think in terms of pet care whenever possible. >> I've heard on the news that the LA SPCA has said that >> anyone who evacuated and left their pets behind will [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >cruelty for not letting the pets into the shelters. What else are some >of the folks to do? Like you say, the people doing their level best to shelter all the hoomins at the Superdome would end up being charged as well, since they are turning away pets. As if there won't be enough problems to take care of in the aftermath without trying to charge people who may have just lost their homes and workplaces. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Spot with loving memories of Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > anyone who evacuated and left their pets behind will > be charged with animal cruelty. Not true. The people who were evacuating into the Superdome were *told* to leave their animals at home. Nobody has *ever* been charged with animal cruelty for such a situation - and it has happened a *LOT*. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: N/A [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > =GL87 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> >> I've heard on the news that the LA SPCA has said that >> anyone who evacuated and left their pets behind will [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >leave their animals at home. Nobody has *ever* been charged with animal >cruelty for such a situation - and it has happened a *LOT*. Well, It IS true that I heard it on the news. My personal opinion is that you don't leave the pets behind, EVER! My wife and I had discussed this concept back in the late '70s and decided that in an emergency, we all get out......or nobody gets out. That was tested in '81 when our apartment building was on fire and both my wife and I were crawling around the floor of a smoke filled apartment with wet towels wrapped around our mouths looking for our pair of cats by feel 'cause we couldn't see a thing. All four of us made it out. I realize that not everyone shares that philosophy and some may consider it stupid and dangerous. Hell, far too often I see an apartment fire on the local news where some lowlife welfare mother is standing outside the building screaming "Somebody help!! My BABY is in there!". To me, that behavior is totally incomprehensible. > We're talking about a golden retriever and a Rottweiller - not toy poodles - > in a *TRUCK* with *FIVE* people. There *IS* such a thing as *NOT ENOUGH > SPACE*. You can't make the impossible happen by wishing it. They were lucky > to be able to get themselves and their children out of the city - there are > 100,000 who were not so lucky. If they aren't able to rescue their animals they shouldn't have them. The bed covers on trucks are removable - and if they didn't have the tools to do it or couldn't BUY the tools to do it, they should have ripped the damn thing off. There is absolutley NO EXCUSE for leaving animals behind. NO EXCUSE. They could also have contacted a local shelter to find alternative solutions. This is the stupid sh.t inbreds do to animals when they don't have half a f.cking brain, and I am SICK TO DEATH of people making excuses for this type of neglect. > I hate that they had to make that choice, but I'm glad that my > granddaughters will be saved. I really hope you are never forced to make > such a decision, but until you are placed in such a situation I would hope > that you would withhold judgment on people who are. They deserve judgement. Leaving animals behind to die or starve to death is animal cruelty. I hope they get arrested. a.sholes. -L. > > We're talking about a golden retriever and a Rottweiller - not toy poodles - > > in a *TRUCK* with *FIVE* people. There *IS* such a thing as *NOT ENOUGH [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > -L. go guzzle another bottle of wine you rancid drunk! > > We're talking about a golden retriever and a Rottweiller - not toy poodles - > > in a *TRUCK* with *FIVE* people. There *IS* such a thing as *NOT ENOUGH [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The bed covers on trucks are removable - and if they didn't have the > tools to do it or couldn't BUY the tools to do it, This was a Sunday morning, during an evacuation - they couldn't find anything open to buy breakfast much less tools to remove a truck bed cover. They drove for 6 hours with three hungry children before they could even find a convenence store open. they should have > ripped the damn thing off. Yes, because we all know you can suddenly develop super-human strength just because you need to whenever you need to. My SIL would just start to turn green and his muscles would bulge and rip through his shirt and RRIIIIIPPPPPPPPPP - off would come the 300 pound truck bed cover! There is absolutley NO EXCUSE for leaving > animals behind. NO EXCUSE. They could also have contacted a local > shelter to find alternative solutions. Local shelters were already evacuated and closed by that time. > This is the stupid sh.t inbreds > do to animals when they don't have half a f.cking brain, and I am SICK > TO DEATH of people making excuses for this type of neglect. And I am sick to death of Monday-morning quarterbacks sitting back safely in their (intact) homes and second guessing and judging and talking about the heroic measures *they* would have used to save their dogs. Until you've been in this situation, please just STFU about what you would have done. > > I hate that they had to make that choice, but I'm glad that my > > granddaughters will be saved. I really hope you are never forced to make [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > They deserve judgement. Leaving animals behind to die or starve to > death is animal cruelty. I hope they get arrested. a.sholes. Oh yeah, let's arrest them for saving their children and leaving their dogs - put the children in foster care while their parents serve time. Yeah, that will make everything OK. > -L. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> >> ripped the damn thing off. > >Yes, because we all know you can suddenly develop super-human strength just >because you need to whenever you need to. My SIL would just start to turn >green and his muscles would bulge and rip through his shirt and >RRIIIIIPPPPPPPPPP - off would come the 300 pound truck bed cover! Actually, mankind has evolved to the point where we can now use TOOLS. :) Try a Google search for "wrench", "pliers", and "hacksaw". You'd be amazed at what these little wonders can do! > This was a Sunday morning, during an evacuation - they couldn't find > anything open to buy breakfast much less tools to remove a truck bed cover. > They drove for 6 hours with three hungry children before they could even > find a convenence store open. It's not as if they didn't know this was coming. It's been on the news for weeks. They should have made plans in advance knowing they are at least semi-coastal. It's just another example of the "sh.t happens and it's not my fault" mentality YOU, yourself, exhibit on this newsgroup time and time again. Evidently your kids inherited your "stupid" gene. Again, if they aren't able to make provisions for their animals in case of emergency, they shouldn't have them, period. > they should have > > ripped the damn thing off. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > green and his muscles would bulge and rip through his shirt and > RRIIIIIPPPPPPPPPP - off would come the 300 pound truck bed cover! It doesn't weigh 300lbs. No bed covers do. They are made to be removable. And you can't tell me that no one in their neighborhood had tools. Besides, even the ones that crack to open can be adjusted to be opened wider, if used properly. You are just making excuse after excuse. > There is absolutley NO EXCUSE for leaving > > animals behind. NO EXCUSE. They could also have contacted a local > > shelter to find alternative solutions. > > Local shelters were already evacuated and closed by that time. Well then maybe they should have called ahead to find out what to do incase they had to be evacuated, eh? That's what caring pet owners do. And I use the word "owner" because they sure as hell aren't guardians. > > This is the stupid sh.t inbreds > > do to animals when they don't have half a f.cking brain, and I am SICK [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > heroic measures *they* would have used to save their dogs. Until you've > been in this situation, please just STFU about what you would have done. It's a no-brainer. My animals - all of them - would go with me. It's a no-brainer for 90-95% of the people who have animals, I'd suspect. It's only idiots like you who think it's ok to leave them behind. > > They deserve judgement. Leaving animals behind to die or starve to > > death is animal cruelty. I hope they get arrested. a.sholes. > > Oh yeah, let's arrest them for saving their children and leaving their > dogs - put the children in foster care while their parents serve time. > Yeah, that will make everything OK. They deserve to be arrested and charged fines for the rescue efforts that will undoubtedly have to be put into place to save THEIR dogs - dogs that should never have been put in peril to begin with. You should be ashamed of your children, instead of making excuses for them. What they did is unconscionable. And honestly, anyone who would leave a dog behind in those circumstances has questionable judgement as a parent, as well. I hope after this is all over that they don't get more pets. They sure as hell don't deserve them. -L. > > This was a Sunday morning, during an evacuation - they couldn't find > > anything open to buy breakfast much less tools to remove a truck bed cover. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > -L. Bit early for you to be tipping the bottle isn't Lyn? Where's your son right now, picking up the corks? >>This was a Sunday morning, during an evacuation - they couldn't find >>anything open to buy breakfast much less tools to remove a truck bed cover. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Again, if they aren't able to make provisions for their animals in case > of emergency, they shouldn't have them, period. Oh, what the hell - you can't engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. (P-L-O-N-K!) >>they should have >> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > -L. > Oh yeah, let's arrest them for saving their children and leaving their > dogs - put the children in foster care while their parents serve time. > Yeah, that will make everything OK. Ignore her Lori. The stupid cow just went back into my pinged file again. I bet she doesn't live in an area where she has to worry about tornados or hurricanes. It would be hard for us as well, as we have a five seater care, five-ten people here, and seven cats and a d-thing. I think someone would be riding in the trunk if we had to leave, and the cats would be in people's laps or something. It would be very ugly here. Pam S. who lost her patio umbrella from Katrina, about 1000 miles away >>We're talking about a golden retriever and a Rottweiller - not toy poodles - >>in a *TRUCK* with *FIVE* people. There *IS* such a thing as *NOT ENOUGH [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > do to animals when they don't have half a f.cking brain, and I am SICK > TO DEATH of people making excuses for this type of neglect. And *I* am "SICK TO DEATH" of people who are safely isolated from emergency situations under discussion making snap judgements about what they would or would not do in the same situation! Have you ever been ordered to evacuate your home at short notice? Sometimes the "emergency" happens when you're not there - as was the case here last rainy season, when an entire street of houses slid down a hillside, occupants and all. When the absent residents returned home (from work, or whatever), most of them were not allowed into the area to search for their missing family members, because the remaining hillside was unstable and it was considered too unsafe. Not everyone keeps a "cool head" in emergencies - in fact, the majority of people do not. They do the best they can under the circumstances - if errors of judgment are made, they are the result of stress (and panic). How does it make them feel better to have low-lives like you berating them for things they already regret, but cannot go back and revise? > >>We're talking about a golden retriever and a Rottweiller - not toy poodles - > >>in a *TRUCK* with *FIVE* people. There *IS* such a thing as *NOT ENOUGH [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > them feel better to have low-lives like you berating them > for things they already regret, but cannot go back and revise? Thank you. I was about ready to just quit the group in disgust just because of a few people who get their kicks kicking someone when they're down and then feeling superior. [I know, bad decision and I try not to make decisions especially when I'm this depressed.] Just to make the day of those people so ready to gloat about what stupid, bad people my son-in-law and daughter are, please know that my 6-year-old granddaughter cried herself to sleep tonight - not only missing her dogs, but because "her" bed was gone (along with her home). My daughter and son-in-law were just gloriously happy that they were the cause of this because of one bad, panicky decision </sarcasm>! So there - go gloat some more over that. Want me to display more pain for you???! Hugs, CatNipped CN, I've been thinking about those dogs all day (along with the people still there and trapped on roofs, etc.) Have you heard anything about their house? Did it flood? I hope all animals and people are safe. It's just too much heartache to comprehend. Rhonda > Thank you. I was about ready to just quit the group in disgust just because > of a few people who get their kicks kicking someone when they're down and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > CatNipped > CN, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Rhonda I only know I've seen some really bad pictures in St. Berard Parish :( I also just heard an accounting on CNN where the reporter was almost breaking down recounting some really horrible things. I don't think I have ever heard a reporter break down before. It's just all so awful. > CN, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I hope all animals and people are safe. It's just too much heartache to > comprehend. That was so helpful, given CN's present feelings. You just, well, inspire so much admiration, Rhonda. Thanks for the compliments, uh, "Anna." Rhonda > That was so helpful, given CN's present feelings. You just, well, > inspire so much admiration, Rhonda. "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote in message My daughter and > son-in-law were just gloriously happy that they were the cause of this > because of one bad, panicky decision </sarcasm>! So there - go gloat some > more over that. Want me to display more pain for you???! > > Hugs, Please know that I'm amazed at the restraint you have shown so far in spite of some of what has been posted. You family is and will be in our prayers. Jo > Please know that I'm amazed at the restraint you have shown so far in spite > of some of what has been posted. You family is and will be in our prayers. > > Jo Yeah, go ahead and make excuses for poor decisions like you all do every time Lori posts one of her "poor me, I'm so dumb" posts. Go ahead. You're all hypocrites. You know goddamned well you wouldn't leave your own pets behind, especially if you had days notice. -L. > Thank you. I was about ready to just quit the group in disgust just because > of a few people who get their kicks kicking someone when they're down and > then feeling superior. [I know, bad decision and I try not to make > decisions especially when I'm this depressed.] I know it doesn't make it any easier, but I'm terribly sorry to hear about not only the poor dogs who had to be left behind, but also the other issues with the house, etc. It can't be easy to be in that situation. There but for the grace of god go I. Please block those idiots who are berating you for the understandable actions of your family. I believe they are some of the previous trolls, using other names. It is generally a good indication when you find people with a lack of compassion on this group that they are trolls. Purrs, doggie drool and sustaining energy being sent for your family and the other doggies. Star (Basset Hound) is sending all kinds of vocalizations for his fellow dogs in peril. Diane SNIP> Thank you. I was about ready to just quit the group in disgust just because > of a few people who get their kicks kicking someone when they're down and > then feeling superior. [I know, bad decision and I try not to make [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > CatNipped ((((((((((((((Catnipped and Family))))))))))))))) I'm so sorry for all the losses your family has suffered because of this hurricane, and all the pain it has caused you and them. PLONKERS to all those smug trolls condemning the hard choice they were forced to make, when the trolls were MILES from the path of danger. I hope there will be better news soon, to cheer up the family. Melissa > Thank you. I was about ready to just quit the group in disgust just because > of a few people who get their kicks kicking someone when they're down and > then feeling superior. [I know, bad decision and I try not to make > decisions especially when I'm this depressed.] Lori, you set yourself up for this, and you deserve what you get as long as you lose your backbone at the first sign of opposition. And I DO say this with love. Wake up and smell the bullshit. You cannot please everyone, and when you try, you reek. I believe that is Confucious. > Thank you. I was about ready to just quit the group in disgust just because > of a few people who get their kicks kicking someone when they're down and > then feeling superior. [I know, bad decision and I try not to make > decisions especially when I'm this depressed.] It's really easy to BE superior when the other persons are either so stupid or so uncaring that they don't make provisions for their animals in case of emergency. > Just to make the day of those people so ready to gloat about what stupid, > bad people my son-in-law and daughter are, please know that my 6-year-old > granddaughter cried herself to sleep tonight - not only missing her dogs, > but because "her" bed was gone (along with her home). My daughter and > son-in-law were just gloriously happy that they were the cause of this > because of one bad, panicky decision </sarcasm>! They should be. They should feel like sh.t. The should picture those poor dogs scared and drowning, wondering where their owners are to protect them, every single minute of every single day. They caused their daughter's pain, and they should regret it until they take their last breath. > So there - go gloat some > more over that. Want me to display more pain for you???! > > Hugs, > > CatNipped Always the victim, aren't you? You never take one once of responsibility for your poor decisions. The government is at fault because you owe taxes. The HOA is at fault because you put up a fence that didn't meet regs. The list goes on and on and on. You're 50-something years old. It's far beyond the time you quit making excuses for your stupid decisions and those of your family. It makes me sick that ANYONE would think it was ok to leave animals behind in this type of situation. ANYONE. I don't care if you are a deaf, mute parapelegic, you make provisions for your animals. There is simply NO EXCUSE. -L. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> >Thank you. I was about ready to just quit the group in disgust just because >of a few people who get their kicks kicking someone when they're down and >then feeling superior. I really don't think anyone is "kicking someone when they're down". Well, maybe one person is enjoying it, but I don't think anyone else is. The truth is that the situation is what it is, no matter what I think, you think, or anyone else thinks, it is what it is. They could have found some way to bring the dogs, or everyone, dogs included, would have been fish food if they tried. They're self serving a.sholes, or they are not. They made a terrible decision, or they did not, There is only one true reality and only they are in a position to know the truth. Even you have only their words to use as tools to guess at the truth. Only you can answer the question, "Could they have gotten the dogs out?" to your satisfaction. But there are known realities. If they knew their lives were in danger by staying in the house, then they knew the dogs were in danger. They DID choose to get themselves out of danger and leave the dogs in danger. Neither the storm nor the dogs appeared suddenly. There was a period of several days to prepare. Who people are, and what people do, are not separate things. All happyland purrs aside, these were choices. I do not know what prompted the choice, but it WAS a choice. This is reality! >Just to make the day of those people so ready to gloat about what stupid, >bad people my son-in-law and daughter are, please know that my 6-year-old >granddaughter cried herself to sleep tonight - not only missing her dogs, >but because "her" bed was gone (along with her home). It's an old cliche, but if the dogs were there, you could tell her that she shouldn't cry over anything that couldn't cry over her. That would have been a valuable lesson in life. Sadly, considering the way a 6 year old looks at the world with a perception that has yet to be clouded with a lot of BS, she has probably (rightly or wrongly) learned that her parents cannot be trusted. I've found that children are much smarter and more aware than most adults give them credit for. >My daughter and >son-in-law were just gloriously happy that they were the cause of this >because of one bad, panicky decision </sarcasm> I tend to think that a life is defined by less than a dozen decisions, most of which are made under some pressure. The rest is just the journey to the next decision. Pretty good, Nomen. Rhonda > I tend to think that a life is defined by less than a dozen decisions, > most of which are made under some pressure. The rest is > just the journey to the next decision. > And *I* am "SICK TO DEATH" of people who are safely isolated > from emergency situations under discussion making snap > judgements about what they would or would not do in the same > situation! I am sick to death of people making excuses for idiots like these. Would you EVER levae your cats? EVER? Of course you wouldn't. > Have you ever been ordered to evacuate your home > at short notice? Sometimes the "emergency" happens when [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the remaining hillside was unstable and it was considered > too unsafe. Apples and oranges. These idiots knew a hurricane was on its waty for days, minimally, yet made absolutely NO provisions for their dogs. None. Obvbiously they simply didn't give a sh.t. > Not everyone keeps a "cool head" in emergencies - in fact, > the majority of people do not. They do the best they can > under the circumstances - if errors of judgment are made, > they are the result of stress (and panic). How does it make > them feel better to have low-lives like you berating them > for things they already regret, but cannot go back and revise? There's no excuse for leaving dogs to drown. None. As if access to the outdoors and a few cups of food will make one iota of difference. If the waters rose, quickly or not, the dogs will be trapped in the house and drown. So caring I could just puke. -L. >> But I forgot they no longer had their Suburban (it finally gave up the >> ghost [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > hopefully the ASPCA will get them and keep them. Hopefully the dogs will > find a REAL home instead of the crappy one they had. Another idiot who can't read, and knows better than the people who are there! "How much room?" you ask - well three kids, two adults, a golden retreiver and a Rottweiler, all in the cab of a pickup truck, would certainly challenge the laws of physics! (Particularly the one about two objects occupying the same space at the same time.) >>> But I forgot they no longer had their Suburban (it finally gave up the >>> ghost [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > certainly challenge the laws of physics! (Particularly the one about two > objects occupying the same space at the same time.) Hee hee....Evelyn, you & I share political views --LOL-- but allow me as a pickup owner of one of the smallest versions (Ford Ranger regular cab) to share the fact that there is a *huge* difference between the square footage of *my* teensy cab and say, the cab rom of one of my offspring's trucks: (Dodge SR10 Quad-Cab - double-door, double seat rows). There is - hilariously - more room in my truck bed than in my passenger cab, for either cargo *or* hoomins/pets. Not so the Dodge..... >>> But I forgot they no longer had their Suburban (it finally gave up >>> the ghost [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > laws of physics! (Particularly the one about two objects > occupying the same space at the same time.) Youn should have said, another troll, he's been in my killfile for weeks. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but they're > still on the spillway (a miles-long bridge over the swamp just north of [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > CatNipped Hi Catnipped, Can they contact EARS? (Emergency Animal Rescue Service) They respond to natural disasters to help the animals that may have been left behind. Their url is: http://www.uan.org/ears/index.html My clowder is purring for you and your family! (Baby Jake sends mini purrs!) Patti "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote in message There's nobody left in the neighborhood to look in on them and if > disaster strikes the emergency personnel are going to be too busy trying > to > save people to worry about pets left behind. > > Again, please send purrs for this horrible, horrible situation that is > effecting *so* many people and pets! First, serious prayers and purrs for everyone involved. I hope I never know what its like to have to leave pets behind. No one should have to make choices like that. You will be surprised at how much rescue and safety effort goes into domestic animals after the first of the emergency is over though. Most places have or put in place very quickly animal rescue and protection once the humans are accounted for. They are very good at collecting pets where necessary and possible, keeping them safely, and reuniting them with their owners whenever possible. With finding them new homes if necessary. Emergencies do bring out the angels lurking in ordinary people. Jo Since south FL has many more 'canes than anywhere else, there are several *vet-organized* and activated pet rescue groups there who spring into action as soon as safety allows in affected areas. I went down south Dade w/one group sponsored by my cats' vet @ that time after Andrew. It was very disturbing but helpful to living pets who we Polaroid-photoed and organized into shelters set up here and there. The smells were really bad after a couple days. Many pets were rehomed by groups in local shelters later. In years thereafter I collected donated medical supplies (tongue depressors make great splints for pet legs, etc.) and took them to participating vets' office involved in rescues. You'd be surprised how fast the law enforcement people get evacuees back home these days.....they use the same methods to do that they are trained to use if a national disaster - like 9/11 - would happen in their area. There is no group in USA more isolated w/one way in and same way out than residents of FL Keys....those cops/military are like a well-organized human machine when necessary. Long years of necessity and experience has shortened the time 'cane victims have to be miserable, no kidding. > "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote in message There's nobody left > in the neighborhood to look in on them and if [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Jo SNIP> > They left the doggie door to the back yard open and left them plenty of food > in the timed feeder and plenty of water. But ohmygawd - they had to leave [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > CatNipped Oh no.... I'm so sorry! I can't argue with their priorities concerning the children, but how hard to have to leave the dogs behind! I hope against hope the dogs and the house will be all right. But it is a terrible event. PUrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs for their safety. Melissa oh dear, how awful. We will purr and pray that the doggies are fine when they get back. :( Lily & her mama Jazz, RB > I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but they're > still on the spillway (a miles-long bridge over the swamp just north of [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > CatNipped Enough second guessing why or if they had to leave the dogs. I can't imagine how traumatic that is. Have you heard from you daughter yet? Sending lots and lots more prayers your way and their way. Jo >I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but >they're [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > CatNipped > I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but they're > still on the spillway (a miles-long bridge over the swamp just north of [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > CatNipped Purrs and purrayers for everybody affected, both two- and four-legged. I'm glad your daughter and her family are apparently safe, but so sorry about the dogs. That must have been so hard on all of them! Joy Prayers and purrs are on the way, for the safety of the grand-dogs and for everyone else, two- and four-footed, who wasn't able to evacuate from the path of the hurricane. What a heartwrenching decision to have to make. I'm sure that there are numerous families who were faced with the same situation. :o( My heart goes out to them all. Donna, Captain, and Stanley My heart breaks for everyone who had to make this kind of heart-wrenching choice. I'm sure that there are numerous pets that belong to the 100,000 people who had no way to evacuate, and who have gone to one of the city's shelters of last resort, who had to be left behind in houses. Unfortunately, it's a sure thing that none of those shelters is set up to accomodate pets along with people. Prayers and purrs for ALL people and animals who had no way to evacuate, for whatever reason. Also, prayers and purrs for the people whose hearts are broken by the knowledge that they had no choice but to leave pets behind. Donna, Captain, and Stanley P.S. And as for that subset of people who don't CARE that they've left pets behind, because I'm sure that people like that also exist... for them, a swift kick in the pants. Those are the only ones who deserve any wrath, in my book -- the ones who don't care. The people who DO care, and had no choice, deserve our empathy. Ok, they finally got here at 1:00AM and told me what happened. They went to sleep when Katrina was a category 3 and could have been heading in a different direction. They set the clock for 4:00AM (but forgot to arm it!). They had already boarded up the windows so not even morning sunlight woke them. It wasn't until I got through to them at 8:30 that they woke up to a category 5 heading directly for N.O. with officials screaming ,"GET OUT, GET OUT NOW". So yes, there was a good deal of panic. They second-guessed themselves all the way to Houston - the whole 14 hour drive (we could have removed the attached bed cover, we could have rented a trailer. But all that does no good now. What is really good news is that once again, the power of purrs can work miracles - the city was not wiped out, the storm is over. There may be some additional flooding, but nothing as bad as what they thought. So the kids *may* be able to go back home tomorrow or the next day and the dogs should be fine until then. Hugs, CatNipped > I finally got in touch with my daughter - they're probably safe, but they're > still on the spillway (a miles-long bridge over the swamp just north of [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > CatNipped > Ok, they finally got here at 1:00AM and told me what happened. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > CatNipped The storm is over? An hour ago they were in the brunt with the eye passing by and teh worst winds. There is a ton more rain coming. I wouldn't call it over yet. > > Ok, they finally got here at 1:00AM and told me what happened. > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > by and teh worst winds. There is a ton more rain coming. I wouldn't call it > over yet. Again, the news had it wrong. They said "the brunt of the storm" was over. And they were talking about the French Quarter. I just found out that the worst hit area is where my MIL and daughter live - St. Bernard Parish! So, no, it's not over yet unfortunately. Hugs, CatNipped > Again, the news had it wrong. They said "the brunt of the storm" was > over. > And they were talking about the French Quarter. I just found out that the > worst hit area is where my MIL and daughter live - St. Bernard Parish! > So, > no, it's not over yet unfortunately. <<<<<CatNipped>>>>> Lots of purrs and survival thoughts and wishes going out to your family and the entire area of devastation. I saw it on the news, and found myself hoping that your family had got out in time. Please let us know how every one is and if there is something more we can be doing to help them out. Pam S. saddened > Ok, they final |
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