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Rhonda - 28 Aug 2005 01:38 GMT
I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
How is she?

I'm hoping she is on her way to being a chubby, healthy cat.

Rhonda
Karen - 28 Aug 2005 02:54 GMT
> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
> How is she?
>
> I'm hoping she is on her way to being a chubby, healthy cat.
>
> Rhonda

I'm wondering too. It would be just too awful if it were anything else.
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 03:41 GMT
> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
> How is she?
>
> I'm hoping she is on her way to being a chubby, healthy cat.
>
> Rhonda

Thanks for asking!  She's healing.  She tested negative for HIV/Leukemia,
BUT she's absolutely covered in Ringworm which can't be treated until her
stitches from her surgery come out.  So..........meanwhile, she's going to
still be isolated in the back bedroom and I still have to do my washing up
after petting and consoling her.  Sigh.  I was hoping we could start to
integrate soon.

The Vet said she had the worst infection of Ringworm he's ever seen and *I*
shouldn't even touch her.  So.......... here we go with more vet bills and
such.

kili
Karen - 28 Aug 2005 04:48 GMT
>> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
>> How is she?
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>
> kili

Oh but that is SUCH good news she was FIV and FeLV negative!!! I was most
worried about that. I hope the ringworm clears up in record time.
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 13:29 GMT
> >> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
> >> How is she?
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> Oh but that is SUCH good news she was FIV and FeLV negative!!! I was most
> worried about that. I hope the ringworm clears up in record time.

Oh, Karen, I was so worried about her on the way to the vet that my stomach
started boiling.  (I have colitis.)  It took a little over an hour to get to
the vet (we're in a fairly rural area) and my hands were sweaty, but cold.
We dropped the little girl off and came back home.  I called the vet later
because I couldn't wait to pick her up to hear the news and that's when I
was able to breathe the sigh of relief - UNTIL they told me about the
ringworm.  Well, hey, that's not life threatening, it's stubborn, but it's
treatable.  They suggested doing bath dips, but I have to wait until her
incision heals.  Makes sense, but I hate having to wait.  She cries in that
back bedroom and there's nothing I can do!  It's so frustrating.

kili
Katrina - 28 Aug 2005 05:51 GMT
<snip>

The Vet said she had the worst infection of Ringworm he's ever seen and *I*
> shouldn't even touch her.  So.......... here we go with more vet bills and
> such.
>
> kili

when I got Ming from the shelter he had ringworm all over his face and
upper body... huge quarter-sized sores surounded by smaller ones.  The
vet told me that it would be 2-3 months of treatment before it would
clear up.  Because most of the really big leisions were on his face,
right around his eyes, nose and mouth, the vet didn't want to use
anything topical that would get into the mucous membranes, so I had to
give him twice a week shampoos and an oral medication twice a day. The
lesions were healing and no new ones appearing within 2 weeks, and they
were all healed with new fur growing within a month.  I kept up with
the treatment for an additional month (8 weeks all together) because we
had a new kitten, an old dog and I'm immunosuppressed (I take meds for
inflammatory arthritis). When I took Ming back for a checkup at 3 weeks
the vet was surprised that it was clearing up so fast.  I think part of
why it was so bad is that Ming was stressed at the shelter, and when he
settled in here he relaxed so his own system could help fight it.  Good
luck with Pua... ringworm is a PITA, but it is treatable, and it's not
as bad as you sometimes hear.

Katrina
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 13:21 GMT
> <snip>
>
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>
> Katrina

Thanks for that, Katrina (wow, I'm hearing your name in the news a LOT
lately!).  But 2 months?  I'm supposed to keep her isolated for 2 months?
It seems so unfair, but I guess, what are you going to do?  Pua's got spots
on her ears, right above her eyes and on her nose, so I guess hers is going
to be difficult to treat as well.  They said when they shaved her belly for
the spaying, they saw lesions all over the place.  This is such a sweet
kitty!  I probably wouldn't deal with it if she wasn't such a darling little
girl.

Again, thanks for the heads up, Katrina.  I appreciate knowing what I'm
going to have to be dealing with.

kili
Katrina - 28 Aug 2005 18:54 GMT
>> On 2005-08-27 19:41:11 -0700, "kilikini" <kilikini@NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com>
> said:
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> Again, thanks for the heads up, Katrina.  I appreciate knowing what I'm
> going to have to be dealing with.

Well, I *didn't* isolate him... I have a small house with no place *to*
isolate a cat. Since you have other cats, you would want to isolate Pua
so that it doesn't spread to them- the longer the better. Because of my
situation (being immunosuppressed due to medication for arthritis), the
vet wanted to treat Ming's ringworm aggressively. The vet started Ming
on a couple of large doses of Program- apparently there's some
anecdotal information that it will help with ringworm, and then the
twice a week shampoos and the oral meds.  We have a compounding
pharmacy that made the oral stuff in a tuna flavored preparation.

I draped the furniture in old cotton sheets and towels (from garage
sales and thrift stores) which were washed with bleach on a regular
basis (daily for the first week, then 2-3 times a week for the next
month). Since Ming was so new to the house he pretty much kept to a
couple of places where he felt comfortable, so those areas were dealt
with more often (layers of old towels that I'd pull the top one off
leaving a clean layer underneath at least twice a day). I have hard
floors in the living room and kitchen (part of why I didn't want to
isolate him in a carpeted bedroom- even if there was one where he
*could* be isolated), so they were mopped regularly with a mild bleach
solution.  By the second month, I was shampooing him about every 7-10
days and giving him the oral meds, but I had pretty much gone back to
normal cleaning- mopping a bit more frequently, maybe.

The dog ended up with 2-3 little spots on his nose, and I had a couple
of spots on my arm (about the size of a pencil eraser and treated with
OTC Lotrimin- my husband had some on hand for his athlete's foot), all
of which cleared up- mine was more stubborn because of the medications
I'm on, but a dab of bleach finally killed off the last stubborn little
spot. We got the kitten (Buttercup) about 3 weeks after Ming, and she
never got even a spot- and after the first 3 days she was sleeping with
Ming. By this time the lesions were healing and no new ones were
showing up.  Buttercup was only about 4 weeks old, and she really
NEEDED the cat contact- I checked her religiously for about 3 months,
but not a single spot ever appeared on her. We've been completely clear
for well over a year.  All in all, it was a pain, but again, not as bad
as the horror stories you often hear.

Katrina (it is a bit odd hearing people on the news talking about
making preparations for me....)
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 23:04 GMT
> >> On 2005-08-27 19:41:11 -0700, "kilikini" <kilikini@NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com>
> > said:
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> Katrina (it is a bit odd hearing people on the news talking about
> making preparations for me....)

The only room I have has carpet, so what do I do about that?  Am I supposed
to rip up my carpet now?  I can always was the sheets on the bed and such,
but I live in an 800 square foot house with two bedrooms; I've got her
isolated in the back bedroom.  So far, Pua has had NO contact with the other
cats so I'm hoping they're safe.  I've had no spots show up on me and
neither has my husband.  (We're washing immediately after touching Pua and
we have been since bringing her home.)

I'm wondering, though, after 2 months, how do we disinfect this room??????

kili
Karen - 29 Aug 2005 00:29 GMT
>> On 2005-08-28 05:21:17 -0700, "kilikini" <kilikini@NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com>
> said:
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>
> kili

I just vacuumed everyday. It gets the spoors up.
Katrina - 29 Aug 2005 05:26 GMT
>> On 2005-08-28 05:21:17 -0700, "kilikini" <kilikini@NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com>
> said:
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>
> I'm wondering, though, after 2 months, how do we disinfect this room??????

Just vacuum as much as you can (daily??)  that's what the vet
recommended with Ming. As it turned out, since I did have hard floors
it was easier to mop with bleach, but the main thing is to get the
spores up as much as you can.  I'm betting that's Pua's ringworm is so
bad becuase she's so undernourished.  As she gains weight and gets her
health back, her immune system should kick in and help get this under
control.  Once that happens she should get better pretty quickly.

Katrina
kilikini - 29 Aug 2005 10:01 GMT
> >> On 2005-08-28 05:21:17 -0700, "kilikini" <kilikini@NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com>
> > said:
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>
> Katrina

Whew, more good news.  I need all the good news I can get.  :~)  THANK YOU
ALL!!!!!!!!

kili
Kreisleriana - 28 Aug 2005 07:27 GMT
>> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
>> How is she?
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>
>kili

Poor baby.  
Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 13:24 GMT
> >> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
> >> How is she?
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> Poor baby.
> Theresa

Theresa, sounds like you had similar problems with Stinky that I had with
Pua.  FINALLY her poo-ah (LOL) doesn't stink as bad as it did - especially
after her worming.  They gave me one more syringe of worming medicine to
give her in 2 weeks her worms were so bad.  Makes me wonder if she EVER had
a home??????  Thank God she found *me*!  I'm a sucker.

Anyway, I appreciate your support, I've been a worried little meowmie and
now with this ringworm infection, I'm STILL going to be worried.  Sigh.

kili
Gabey8 - 28 Aug 2005 08:41 GMT
[[Thanks for asking!  She's healing.  She tested negative for
HIV/Leukemia,
BUT she's absolutely covered in Ringworm which can't be treated until her
stitches from her surgery come out.  So..........meanwhile, she's going
to
still be isolated in the back bedroom and I still have to do my washing
up
after petting and consoling her.  Sigh.  I was hoping we could start to
integrate soon.]]

I'm sorry to hear about the rignworm, but I'm very glad that the only
issue that cropped up is something that can be treated.

Soon, God willing, the ringworm and any other physical aftereffects of her
life as a stray will be nothing but a fading memory. I hope she settles in
and is a Very Pampered Kitty in no time flat.

Donna, Captain, and Stanley (who know a bit about being pampered kitties,
themselves)
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 13:25 GMT
> [[Thanks for asking!  She's healing.  She tested negative for
> HIV/Leukemia,
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> Donna, Captain, and Stanley (who know a bit about being pampered kitties,
> themselves)

Thanks.  I want to pamper her, but I'm not supposed to touch her.  This is
so hard!

kili
Adrian - 28 Aug 2005 10:07 GMT
>> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
>> How is she?
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>
> kili

I'm so glad to hear she's basically OK. Ringworm, though not easy, is at
least treatable, hopefully you'll soon have a happy healthy cat to join
your clowder.
Signature

Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera)
A house is not a home, without a cat.
http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk

kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 13:30 GMT
> >> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
> >> How is she?
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> your clowder.
> --

Yeah, I'm hoping so, too.  Thank goodness I've been washing my hands after
every session with Pua or I'd have a household of 3 cats with ringworm!  Can
you just imagine?????

kili
Karen - 28 Aug 2005 15:53 GMT
>>>> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
>>>> How is she?
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>
> kili

One good thing to know is that most adult cats have built up a good enough
immunity that they won't easily get the ringworm. Don't be alarmed either if
she has a mild reoccurance a few months after you get this one under
control. I think too that her better diet is going to help her fight it.
Getting rid of fleas could be a huge step as well, as again, she will have
more resources to fend off the fungus.
Magic Mood Jeep© - 28 Aug 2005 13:16 GMT
>> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
>> How is she?
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>
> kili

Ask your vet for some LymDip
http://www.dvmpharmaceuticals.com/display.html?c=2&fam=LymDyp
It's what I used on the Fearsome Foursome when they had ringworm.  Smells
like rotten eggs and turns white cats a bright yellow at first (fades quicly
when it dries), but it worked wonders!  At first, I thought all it did was
halt the spread (those four were spreading it amongst each other like peanut
butter), but then I realized it really was 'killing the fungus' - it just
took a bit for the lesions to heal.  For spots on their faces I used a
cotton ball and dabbed it on.  And I only gave 2 actual baths with it, the
rest of the time I used a 'spot treatment' on them:  dabbing it on the
affected areas.  I even used it on myself when I got a spot or two of
ringworm (egads, what an irritating itch!)
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 13:32 GMT
> >> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
> >> How is she?
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> affected areas.  I even used it on myself when I got a spot or two of
> ringworm (egads, what an irritating itch!)

That's what was recommended to me, actually!  Okay, this is good news!  Do
you have any idea how much it is?  Cost is a factor, unfortunately.

kili
Magic Mood Jeep© - 28 Aug 2005 13:53 GMT
>>>> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet
>>>> today. How is she?
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>
> kili

Well, It's been over a year since I bought any.  At 1800petmeds.com they
list it as $16.99 for a 16oz bottle - but that will go a loooong way, you
only use four ounces of LymDip per gallon of water - it's that concentrated!
http://www.1800petmeds.com/pdetail.asp?SK=2583&SP=&WT=&MG=&PT=

If it were legal for me to ship it, and I had your address, I would send you
one of the 1/2 bottles we have (and we have 2).....

Of course, the ringworm only showed up once she was confined to the back
room because she's now stressed - same with the Fearsome Foursome - they got
it when I brought them in because they were stressed.  Once you treat Pua
once or twice, it might be better to let her out of the room so she won't be
so stressed - you can always use the LymDip on the other cats as well (as a
matter of fact, I would treat them with it anyway, as a preventative).
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 16:42 GMT
> >>>> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet
> >>>> today. How is she?
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> so stressed - you can always use the LymDip on the other cats as well (as a
> matter of fact, I would treat them with it anyway, as a preventative).

That's a good idea.  I should treat the others as well.  I'll see about
getting ahold of this stuff from PetMeds.  Do you know if you need a
perscription for it or can it be an over-the-counter thing?  I'd love to
avoid another vet visit, you know?

kili
Magic Mood Jeep© - 28 Aug 2005 23:12 GMT
>>>>>> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet
>>>>>> today. How is she?
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>
> kili

I don't think you need a prescription to buy it, if you did, there would be
a big red RX symbol somewhere on the item's page, like this one :
http://www.1800petmeds.com/pgroup.asp?LV=260&PG=Terramycin.  However, I have
not found it at Petsmart nor Drs. Foster & Smith.
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 23:37 GMT
> >> they list it as $16.99 for a 16oz bottle - but that will go a
> >> loooong way, you only use four ounces of LymDip per gallon of water
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> http://www.1800petmeds.com/pgroup.asp?LV=260&PG=Terramycin.  However, I have
> not found it at Petsmart nor Drs. Foster & Smith.

Okay, thanks so much for your help.  I'm going to see if I can get my MIL to
help me order it (I don't have a credit card.).  I really appreciate your
advice.  I really, really do.

kili
Pat - 28 Aug 2005 13:53 GMT
> That's what was recommended to me, actually!  Okay, this is good news!  Do
> you have any idea how much it is?  Cost is a factor, unfortunately.

That sulphur stuff is really cheap.

You could also use the anti-fungal tea tree oil, but be careful to keep it
away from her eyes.
MaryL - 28 Aug 2005 14:30 GMT
>> That's what was recommended to me, actually!  Okay, this is good news!
>> Do
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> You could also use the anti-fungal tea tree oil, but be careful to keep it
> away from her eyes.

*BE CAREFUL*!! Tea tree oil can be toxic to cats.  Here are some references
to read:
http://www.messybeast.com/teatree.htm
http://www.vet-task-force.com/Abstract-tea-tree-oil.htm
http://www.tea-tree-oil-use.com/pets.htm

MaryL
Pat - 28 Aug 2005 15:08 GMT
"MaryL" <carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in

> *BE CAREFUL*!! Tea tree oil can be toxic to cats.  Here are some references
> to read:
> http://www.messybeast.com/teatree.htm
> http://www.vet-task-force.com/Abstract-tea-tree-oil.htm
> http://www.tea-tree-oil-use.com/pets.htm

Oh, My! I had no idea.... I have used the oil on several of the cats here,
to treat wounds. Thank goodness they were not so sensitive.
Mishi - 29 Aug 2005 00:08 GMT
<snip>
That's what was recommended to me, actually!  Okay, this is good news!  Do
you have any idea how much it is?  Cost is a factor, unfortunately.

kili >

Hi Kili,

I know you can't bathe her in the lymdip, but can you sponge it onto her
spots, avoiding her incision? That way at least you will get a jump on the
ones that are elsewhere!

Good luck,
Patti
PS: She is one beautiful cat!
kilikini - 29 Aug 2005 00:19 GMT
> <snip>
> That's what was recommended to me, actually!  Okay, this is good news!  Do
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Patti
> PS: She is one beautiful cat!

Thanks, Patti.  I was kind of wondering that myself.  I just don't know!
I've never dealt with ringworm before.  I'm going to talk to my MIL tomorrow
and see if she can help us order this stuff from PetMeds so that we can at
least try to treat the lesions on her face and neck.

kili
polonca12000 - 28 Aug 2005 14:25 GMT
I'm so happy to hear she tested negative. Too bad about the ringworm though.
Lots of purrs and best wishes,
Signature

Polonca & Soncek

> > I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
> > How is she?
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>
> kili
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 22:59 GMT
> I'm so happy to hear she tested negative. Too bad about the ringworm though.
> Lots of purrs and best wishes,
> --

Thank you!  Just biding my time until full treatment can be given to her.

kili
Rhonda - 28 Aug 2005 17:51 GMT
Hi Kili,

Glad things look generally good with her! It could have been so much
worse, with the condition she was in. What an angel you are to help her.

She will get through this bedroom isolation. It is so much better than
being outside and starving. She just doesn't understand for now.

As for not touching her -- how about getting a box of those latex
surgical gloves? We have several boxes around her we use for various
things. You could pet her and scritch her for awhile, then throw the
gloves away.

I had an annoying spot of ringworm once from doing a volunteer job at a
rural humane society. It was a pain, but finally got rid of it with oral
medication. Did the vet talk about anything she could take internally?
They had also advised me to put a little bleach in every load of laundry
in case I spread it through towels, etc.

Good luck with Pua. Hope she's able to kick this soon!

Rhonda

> Thanks for asking!  She's healing.  She tested negative for HIV/Leukemia,
> BUT she's absolutely covered in Ringworm which can't be treated until her
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>
> kili
Kreisleriana - 28 Aug 2005 18:25 GMT
>Hi Kili,
>
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>things. You could pet her and scritch her for awhile, then throw the
>gloves away.

Brilliant.

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 18:37 GMT
> Hi Kili,
>
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>
> Rhonda

Thanks, Rhonda.  Gosh, I hope t his thing doesn't spread.  ACK.

Gloves sound like a good idea right now.  I'll look into it.  Thanks for the
suggestion.

kili
Susan M - 28 Aug 2005 18:33 GMT
I'm sooo glad that she's ok for the nasty stuff and I'm sorry that she's got
her painful scratchy ringworm.  I'm glad to read other poster's comments
that it is treatable and she will get better soon.  She is a darling
gorgeous girl and you'll have a wonderful addition to your clowder!

Susan M
Otis and Chester

> Thanks for asking!  She's healing.  She tested negative for HIV/Leukemia,
> BUT she's absolutely covered in Ringworm which can't be treated until her
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>
> kili
Exocat - 28 Aug 2005 23:56 GMT
> Thanks for asking!  She's healing.  She tested negative for
> HIV/Leukemia,
> BUT she's absolutely covered in Ringworm which can't be treated until
> her
> stitches from her surgery come out.

Sorry about the Ringworm but delighted that she's clear of all the real
nasties. You'll come through the treatment period just fine, I'm sure,
with a really strong bond: cats seem to know when you're trying to help.

Purrs from us lot that it goes well.

Gordon, Bandit, Snowball, Claudius & Raki.
Debra Berry - 29 Aug 2005 20:50 GMT
Hi Kili,

There are so many replies that I didn't get a chance to look at
them all, so I don't know if someone already suggested this.
I work with the SPCA of Northern VA and we frequently get
cats with ringworm.  

If they have a small, contained spot then
we use topical treatment and Program orally.  Program stops
flea reproduction by stopping the flea from getting a substance
that it needs to reproduce.  It also helps to stop ringworm
reproduction by the same method.

See:  
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_ringworm.html
http://www.showcatsonline.com/program_and_ringworm.htm
http://www.vetinfo.com/cringwrm.html

Our "big guns" is oral Sporonox, which is used in people for
oral fungal infections.  It is very expensive, approx $175 a
bottle, but usually cures the ringworm within 3 weeks.  If
you are interested I can get you dosage information from
our vet.  It is not approved for animals, but is used in
several shelters that I have spoken with and I've been
using it under supervision of my vet for about 3 years now.
It has great success in otherwise healthy cats.  Our biggest
problem is in kittens.  We will use this after they are 8-10
weeks old.

Please contact me if you would like more information.

Debbie Berry
dberry@mitre.org

> > I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
> > How is she?
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>
> kili
Debra Berry - 29 Aug 2005 20:51 GMT
Hi Kili,

There are so many replies that I didn't get a chance to look at
them all, so I don't know if someone already suggested this.
I work with the SPCA of Northern VA and we frequently get
cats with ringworm.  

If they have a small, contained spot then
we use topical treatment and Program orally.  Program stops
flea reproduction by stopping the flea from getting a substance
that it needs to reproduce.  It also helps to stop ringworm
reproduction by the same method.

See:  
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_ringworm.html
http://www.showcatsonline.com/program_and_ringworm.htm
http://www.vetinfo.com/cringwrm.html

Our "big guns" is oral Sporonox, which is used in people for
oral fungal infections.  It is very expensive, approx $175 a
bottle, but usually cures the ringworm within 3 weeks.  If
you are interested I can get you dosage information from
our vet.  It is not approved for animals, but is used in
several shelters that I have spoken with and I've been
using it under supervision of my vet for about 3 years now.
It has great success in otherwise healthy cats.  Our biggest
problem is in kittens.  We will use this after they are 8-10
weeks old.

Please contact me if you would like more information.

Debbie Berry
dberry@mitre.org

> > I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today.
> > How is she?
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> kili
 
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