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Rhonda - 28 Aug 2005 01:38 GMT I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. How is she?
I'm hoping she is on her way to being a chubby, healthy cat.
Rhonda
Karen - 28 Aug 2005 02:54 GMT > I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. > How is she? > > I'm hoping she is on her way to being a chubby, healthy cat. > > Rhonda I'm wondering too. It would be just too awful if it were anything else.
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 03:41 GMT > I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. > How is she? > > I'm hoping she is on her way to being a chubby, healthy cat. > > Rhonda Thanks for asking! She's healing. She tested negative for HIV/Leukemia, BUT she's absolutely covered in Ringworm which can't be treated until her stitches from her surgery come out. So..........meanwhile, she's going to still be isolated in the back bedroom and I still have to do my washing up after petting and consoling her. Sigh. I was hoping we could start to integrate soon.
The Vet said she had the worst infection of Ringworm he's ever seen and *I* shouldn't even touch her. So.......... here we go with more vet bills and such.
kili
Karen - 28 Aug 2005 04:48 GMT >> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. >> How is she? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > kili Oh but that is SUCH good news she was FIV and FeLV negative!!! I was most worried about that. I hope the ringworm clears up in record time.
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 13:29 GMT > >> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. > >> How is she? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Oh but that is SUCH good news she was FIV and FeLV negative!!! I was most > worried about that. I hope the ringworm clears up in record time. Oh, Karen, I was so worried about her on the way to the vet that my stomach started boiling. (I have colitis.) It took a little over an hour to get to the vet (we're in a fairly rural area) and my hands were sweaty, but cold. We dropped the little girl off and came back home. I called the vet later because I couldn't wait to pick her up to hear the news and that's when I was able to breathe the sigh of relief - UNTIL they told me about the ringworm. Well, hey, that's not life threatening, it's stubborn, but it's treatable. They suggested doing bath dips, but I have to wait until her incision heals. Makes sense, but I hate having to wait. She cries in that back bedroom and there's nothing I can do! It's so frustrating.
kili
Katrina - 28 Aug 2005 05:51 GMT <snip>
The Vet said she had the worst infection of Ringworm he's ever seen and *I*
> shouldn't even touch her. So.......... here we go with more vet bills and > such. > > kili when I got Ming from the shelter he had ringworm all over his face and upper body... huge quarter-sized sores surounded by smaller ones. The vet told me that it would be 2-3 months of treatment before it would clear up. Because most of the really big leisions were on his face, right around his eyes, nose and mouth, the vet didn't want to use anything topical that would get into the mucous membranes, so I had to give him twice a week shampoos and an oral medication twice a day. The lesions were healing and no new ones appearing within 2 weeks, and they were all healed with new fur growing within a month. I kept up with the treatment for an additional month (8 weeks all together) because we had a new kitten, an old dog and I'm immunosuppressed (I take meds for inflammatory arthritis). When I took Ming back for a checkup at 3 weeks the vet was surprised that it was clearing up so fast. I think part of why it was so bad is that Ming was stressed at the shelter, and when he settled in here he relaxed so his own system could help fight it. Good luck with Pua... ringworm is a PITA, but it is treatable, and it's not as bad as you sometimes hear.
Katrina
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 13:21 GMT > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Katrina Thanks for that, Katrina (wow, I'm hearing your name in the news a LOT lately!). But 2 months? I'm supposed to keep her isolated for 2 months? It seems so unfair, but I guess, what are you going to do? Pua's got spots on her ears, right above her eyes and on her nose, so I guess hers is going to be difficult to treat as well. They said when they shaved her belly for the spaying, they saw lesions all over the place. This is such a sweet kitty! I probably wouldn't deal with it if she wasn't such a darling little girl.
Again, thanks for the heads up, Katrina. I appreciate knowing what I'm going to have to be dealing with.
kili
Katrina - 28 Aug 2005 18:54 GMT >> On 2005-08-27 19:41:11 -0700, "kilikini" <kilikini@NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com> > said: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Again, thanks for the heads up, Katrina. I appreciate knowing what I'm > going to have to be dealing with. Well, I *didn't* isolate him... I have a small house with no place *to* isolate a cat. Since you have other cats, you would want to isolate Pua so that it doesn't spread to them- the longer the better. Because of my situation (being immunosuppressed due to medication for arthritis), the vet wanted to treat Ming's ringworm aggressively. The vet started Ming on a couple of large doses of Program- apparently there's some anecdotal information that it will help with ringworm, and then the twice a week shampoos and the oral meds. We have a compounding pharmacy that made the oral stuff in a tuna flavored preparation.
I draped the furniture in old cotton sheets and towels (from garage sales and thrift stores) which were washed with bleach on a regular basis (daily for the first week, then 2-3 times a week for the next month). Since Ming was so new to the house he pretty much kept to a couple of places where he felt comfortable, so those areas were dealt with more often (layers of old towels that I'd pull the top one off leaving a clean layer underneath at least twice a day). I have hard floors in the living room and kitchen (part of why I didn't want to isolate him in a carpeted bedroom- even if there was one where he *could* be isolated), so they were mopped regularly with a mild bleach solution. By the second month, I was shampooing him about every 7-10 days and giving him the oral meds, but I had pretty much gone back to normal cleaning- mopping a bit more frequently, maybe.
The dog ended up with 2-3 little spots on his nose, and I had a couple of spots on my arm (about the size of a pencil eraser and treated with OTC Lotrimin- my husband had some on hand for his athlete's foot), all of which cleared up- mine was more stubborn because of the medications I'm on, but a dab of bleach finally killed off the last stubborn little spot. We got the kitten (Buttercup) about 3 weeks after Ming, and she never got even a spot- and after the first 3 days she was sleeping with Ming. By this time the lesions were healing and no new ones were showing up. Buttercup was only about 4 weeks old, and she really NEEDED the cat contact- I checked her religiously for about 3 months, but not a single spot ever appeared on her. We've been completely clear for well over a year. All in all, it was a pain, but again, not as bad as the horror stories you often hear.
Katrina (it is a bit odd hearing people on the news talking about making preparations for me....)
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 23:04 GMT > >> On 2005-08-27 19:41:11 -0700, "kilikini" <kilikini@NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com> > > said: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Katrina (it is a bit odd hearing people on the news talking about > making preparations for me....) The only room I have has carpet, so what do I do about that? Am I supposed to rip up my carpet now? I can always was the sheets on the bed and such, but I live in an 800 square foot house with two bedrooms; I've got her isolated in the back bedroom. So far, Pua has had NO contact with the other cats so I'm hoping they're safe. I've had no spots show up on me and neither has my husband. (We're washing immediately after touching Pua and we have been since bringing her home.)
I'm wondering, though, after 2 months, how do we disinfect this room??????
kili
Karen - 29 Aug 2005 00:29 GMT >> On 2005-08-28 05:21:17 -0700, "kilikini" <kilikini@NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com> > said: [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > kili I just vacuumed everyday. It gets the spoors up.
Katrina - 29 Aug 2005 05:26 GMT >> On 2005-08-28 05:21:17 -0700, "kilikini" <kilikini@NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com> > said: [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > I'm wondering, though, after 2 months, how do we disinfect this room?????? Just vacuum as much as you can (daily??) that's what the vet recommended with Ming. As it turned out, since I did have hard floors it was easier to mop with bleach, but the main thing is to get the spores up as much as you can. I'm betting that's Pua's ringworm is so bad becuase she's so undernourished. As she gains weight and gets her health back, her immune system should kick in and help get this under control. Once that happens she should get better pretty quickly.
Katrina
kilikini - 29 Aug 2005 10:01 GMT > >> On 2005-08-28 05:21:17 -0700, "kilikini" <kilikini@NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com> > > said: [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > Katrina Whew, more good news. I need all the good news I can get. :~) THANK YOU ALL!!!!!!!!
kili
Kreisleriana - 28 Aug 2005 07:27 GMT >> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. >> How is she? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >kili Poor baby. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 13:24 GMT > >> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. > >> How is she? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Poor baby. > Theresa Theresa, sounds like you had similar problems with Stinky that I had with Pua. FINALLY her poo-ah (LOL) doesn't stink as bad as it did - especially after her worming. They gave me one more syringe of worming medicine to give her in 2 weeks her worms were so bad. Makes me wonder if she EVER had a home?????? Thank God she found *me*! I'm a sucker.
Anyway, I appreciate your support, I've been a worried little meowmie and now with this ringworm infection, I'm STILL going to be worried. Sigh.
kili
Gabey8 - 28 Aug 2005 08:41 GMT [[Thanks for asking! She's healing. She tested negative for HIV/Leukemia, BUT she's absolutely covered in Ringworm which can't be treated until her stitches from her surgery come out. So..........meanwhile, she's going to still be isolated in the back bedroom and I still have to do my washing up after petting and consoling her. Sigh. I was hoping we could start to integrate soon.]]
I'm sorry to hear about the rignworm, but I'm very glad that the only issue that cropped up is something that can be treated.
Soon, God willing, the ringworm and any other physical aftereffects of her life as a stray will be nothing but a fading memory. I hope she settles in and is a Very Pampered Kitty in no time flat.
Donna, Captain, and Stanley (who know a bit about being pampered kitties, themselves)
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 13:25 GMT > [[Thanks for asking! She's healing. She tested negative for > HIV/Leukemia, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Donna, Captain, and Stanley (who know a bit about being pampered kitties, > themselves) Thanks. I want to pamper her, but I'm not supposed to touch her. This is so hard!
kili
Adrian - 28 Aug 2005 10:07 GMT >> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. >> How is she? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > kili I'm so glad to hear she's basically OK. Ringworm, though not easy, is at least treatable, hopefully you'll soon have a happy healthy cat to join your clowder.
 Signature Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 13:30 GMT > >> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. > >> How is she? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > your clowder. > -- Yeah, I'm hoping so, too. Thank goodness I've been washing my hands after every session with Pua or I'd have a household of 3 cats with ringworm! Can you just imagine?????
kili
Karen - 28 Aug 2005 15:53 GMT >>>> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. >>>> How is she? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > kili One good thing to know is that most adult cats have built up a good enough immunity that they won't easily get the ringworm. Don't be alarmed either if she has a mild reoccurance a few months after you get this one under control. I think too that her better diet is going to help her fight it. Getting rid of fleas could be a huge step as well, as again, she will have more resources to fend off the fungus.
Magic Mood Jeep© - 28 Aug 2005 13:16 GMT >> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. >> How is she? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > kili Ask your vet for some LymDip http://www.dvmpharmaceuticals.com/display.html?c=2&fam=LymDyp It's what I used on the Fearsome Foursome when they had ringworm. Smells like rotten eggs and turns white cats a bright yellow at first (fades quicly when it dries), but it worked wonders! At first, I thought all it did was halt the spread (those four were spreading it amongst each other like peanut butter), but then I realized it really was 'killing the fungus' - it just took a bit for the lesions to heal. For spots on their faces I used a cotton ball and dabbed it on. And I only gave 2 actual baths with it, the rest of the time I used a 'spot treatment' on them: dabbing it on the affected areas. I even used it on myself when I got a spot or two of ringworm (egads, what an irritating itch!)
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 13:32 GMT > >> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. > >> How is she? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > affected areas. I even used it on myself when I got a spot or two of > ringworm (egads, what an irritating itch!) That's what was recommended to me, actually! Okay, this is good news! Do you have any idea how much it is? Cost is a factor, unfortunately.
kili
Magic Mood Jeep© - 28 Aug 2005 13:53 GMT >>>> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet >>>> today. How is she? [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > kili Well, It's been over a year since I bought any. At 1800petmeds.com they list it as $16.99 for a 16oz bottle - but that will go a loooong way, you only use four ounces of LymDip per gallon of water - it's that concentrated! http://www.1800petmeds.com/pdetail.asp?SK=2583&SP=&WT=&MG=&PT=
If it were legal for me to ship it, and I had your address, I would send you one of the 1/2 bottles we have (and we have 2).....
Of course, the ringworm only showed up once she was confined to the back room because she's now stressed - same with the Fearsome Foursome - they got it when I brought them in because they were stressed. Once you treat Pua once or twice, it might be better to let her out of the room so she won't be so stressed - you can always use the LymDip on the other cats as well (as a matter of fact, I would treat them with it anyway, as a preventative).
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 16:42 GMT > >>>> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet > >>>> today. How is she? [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > so stressed - you can always use the LymDip on the other cats as well (as a > matter of fact, I would treat them with it anyway, as a preventative). That's a good idea. I should treat the others as well. I'll see about getting ahold of this stuff from PetMeds. Do you know if you need a perscription for it or can it be an over-the-counter thing? I'd love to avoid another vet visit, you know?
kili
Magic Mood Jeep© - 28 Aug 2005 23:12 GMT >>>>>> I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet >>>>>> today. How is she? [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > kili I don't think you need a prescription to buy it, if you did, there would be a big red RX symbol somewhere on the item's page, like this one : http://www.1800petmeds.com/pgroup.asp?LV=260&PG=Terramycin. However, I have not found it at Petsmart nor Drs. Foster & Smith.
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 23:37 GMT > >> they list it as $16.99 for a 16oz bottle - but that will go a > >> loooong way, you only use four ounces of LymDip per gallon of water [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > http://www.1800petmeds.com/pgroup.asp?LV=260&PG=Terramycin. However, I have > not found it at Petsmart nor Drs. Foster & Smith. Okay, thanks so much for your help. I'm going to see if I can get my MIL to help me order it (I don't have a credit card.). I really appreciate your advice. I really, really do.
kili
Pat - 28 Aug 2005 13:53 GMT > That's what was recommended to me, actually! Okay, this is good news! Do > you have any idea how much it is? Cost is a factor, unfortunately. That sulphur stuff is really cheap.
You could also use the anti-fungal tea tree oil, but be careful to keep it away from her eyes.
MaryL - 28 Aug 2005 14:30 GMT >> That's what was recommended to me, actually! Okay, this is good news! >> Do [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You could also use the anti-fungal tea tree oil, but be careful to keep it > away from her eyes. *BE CAREFUL*!! Tea tree oil can be toxic to cats. Here are some references to read: http://www.messybeast.com/teatree.htm http://www.vet-task-force.com/Abstract-tea-tree-oil.htm http://www.tea-tree-oil-use.com/pets.htm
MaryL
Pat - 28 Aug 2005 15:08 GMT "MaryL" <carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in
> *BE CAREFUL*!! Tea tree oil can be toxic to cats. Here are some references > to read: > http://www.messybeast.com/teatree.htm > http://www.vet-task-force.com/Abstract-tea-tree-oil.htm > http://www.tea-tree-oil-use.com/pets.htm Oh, My! I had no idea.... I have used the oil on several of the cats here, to treat wounds. Thank goodness they were not so sensitive.
Mishi - 29 Aug 2005 00:08 GMT <snip> That's what was recommended to me, actually! Okay, this is good news! Do you have any idea how much it is? Cost is a factor, unfortunately.
kili >
Hi Kili,
I know you can't bathe her in the lymdip, but can you sponge it onto her spots, avoiding her incision? That way at least you will get a jump on the ones that are elsewhere!
Good luck, Patti PS: She is one beautiful cat!
kilikini - 29 Aug 2005 00:19 GMT > <snip> > That's what was recommended to me, actually! Okay, this is good news! Do [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Patti > PS: She is one beautiful cat! Thanks, Patti. I was kind of wondering that myself. I just don't know! I've never dealt with ringworm before. I'm going to talk to my MIL tomorrow and see if she can help us order this stuff from PetMeds so that we can at least try to treat the lesions on her face and neck.
kili
polonca12000 - 28 Aug 2005 14:25 GMT I'm so happy to hear she tested negative. Too bad about the ringworm though. Lots of purrs and best wishes,
 Signature Polonca & Soncek
> > I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. > > How is she? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > kili kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 22:59 GMT > I'm so happy to hear she tested negative. Too bad about the ringworm though. > Lots of purrs and best wishes, > -- Thank you! Just biding my time until full treatment can be given to her.
kili
Rhonda - 28 Aug 2005 17:51 GMT Hi Kili,
Glad things look generally good with her! It could have been so much worse, with the condition she was in. What an angel you are to help her.
She will get through this bedroom isolation. It is so much better than being outside and starving. She just doesn't understand for now.
As for not touching her -- how about getting a box of those latex surgical gloves? We have several boxes around her we use for various things. You could pet her and scritch her for awhile, then throw the gloves away.
I had an annoying spot of ringworm once from doing a volunteer job at a rural humane society. It was a pain, but finally got rid of it with oral medication. Did the vet talk about anything she could take internally? They had also advised me to put a little bleach in every load of laundry in case I spread it through towels, etc.
Good luck with Pua. Hope she's able to kick this soon!
Rhonda
> Thanks for asking! She's healing. She tested negative for HIV/Leukemia, > BUT she's absolutely covered in Ringworm which can't be treated until her [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > kili Kreisleriana - 28 Aug 2005 18:25 GMT >Hi Kili, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >things. You could pet her and scritch her for awhile, then throw the >gloves away. Brilliant.
Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
kilikini - 28 Aug 2005 18:37 GMT > Hi Kili, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Rhonda Thanks, Rhonda. Gosh, I hope t his thing doesn't spread. ACK.
Gloves sound like a good idea right now. I'll look into it. Thanks for the suggestion.
kili
Susan M - 28 Aug 2005 18:33 GMT I'm sooo glad that she's ok for the nasty stuff and I'm sorry that she's got her painful scratchy ringworm. I'm glad to read other poster's comments that it is treatable and she will get better soon. She is a darling gorgeous girl and you'll have a wonderful addition to your clowder!
Susan M Otis and Chester
> Thanks for asking! She's healing. She tested negative for HIV/Leukemia, > BUT she's absolutely covered in Ringworm which can't be treated until her [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > kili Exocat - 28 Aug 2005 23:56 GMT > Thanks for asking! She's healing. She tested negative for > HIV/Leukemia, > BUT she's absolutely covered in Ringworm which can't be treated until > her > stitches from her surgery come out. Sorry about the Ringworm but delighted that she's clear of all the real nasties. You'll come through the treatment period just fine, I'm sure, with a really strong bond: cats seem to know when you're trying to help.
Purrs from us lot that it goes well.
Gordon, Bandit, Snowball, Claudius & Raki.
Debra Berry - 29 Aug 2005 20:50 GMT Hi Kili,
There are so many replies that I didn't get a chance to look at them all, so I don't know if someone already suggested this. I work with the SPCA of Northern VA and we frequently get cats with ringworm.
If they have a small, contained spot then we use topical treatment and Program orally. Program stops flea reproduction by stopping the flea from getting a substance that it needs to reproduce. It also helps to stop ringworm reproduction by the same method.
See: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_ringworm.html http://www.showcatsonline.com/program_and_ringworm.htm http://www.vetinfo.com/cringwrm.html
Our "big guns" is oral Sporonox, which is used in people for oral fungal infections. It is very expensive, approx $175 a bottle, but usually cures the ringworm within 3 weeks. If you are interested I can get you dosage information from our vet. It is not approved for animals, but is used in several shelters that I have spoken with and I've been using it under supervision of my vet for about 3 years now. It has great success in otherwise healthy cats. Our biggest problem is in kittens. We will use this after they are 8-10 weeks old.
Please contact me if you would like more information.
Debbie Berry dberry@mitre.org
> > I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. > > How is she? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > kili Debra Berry - 29 Aug 2005 20:51 GMT Hi Kili,
There are so many replies that I didn't get a chance to look at them all, so I don't know if someone already suggested this. I work with the SPCA of Northern VA and we frequently get cats with ringworm.
If they have a small, contained spot then we use topical treatment and Program orally. Program stops flea reproduction by stopping the flea from getting a substance that it needs to reproduce. It also helps to stop ringworm reproduction by the same method.
See: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_ringworm.html http://www.showcatsonline.com/program_and_ringworm.htm http://www.vetinfo.com/cringwrm.html
Our "big guns" is oral Sporonox, which is used in people for oral fungal infections. It is very expensive, approx $175 a bottle, but usually cures the ringworm within 3 weeks. If you are interested I can get you dosage information from our vet. It is not approved for animals, but is used in several shelters that I have spoken with and I've been using it under supervision of my vet for about 3 years now. It has great success in otherwise healthy cats. Our biggest problem is in kittens. We will use this after they are 8-10 weeks old.
Please contact me if you would like more information.
Debbie Berry dberry@mitre.org
> > I've been anxious to hear how Pua (stray kitty) did at the vet today. > > How is she? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > kili
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