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I have a new one. Maybe it's just because I have those "Trading Spaces" type shows on in the "background" in my office a lot lately (I don't normally watch TV, but it seems less lonely than silence lately). When did the word "awesome" become the only descriptor left in the English language? Each "reveal" is "awesome", each redecorated bedroom is "awesome" every design is "awesome". I heard a commercial the other day (on radio - it had nothing to do with TLC) and the announcer said "awesome" three times in two sentences!!!! This phenomenon is totally awesome. Hugs, CatNipped > I have a new one. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > CatNipped Either Jeff Foxworthy or Bill Engvill has a comedy routine about that phenomenon. The one that makes me shake my head is how they also have this lilt at the end of every sentence? You know? Like they're asking a question but they're really not? Like, we're going do do this room in a chartruese theme, following the focal point which we found in the dumpster behind the studio? And I know it will be totally awesome? Sherry > > I have a new one. > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Sherry Yep! Here in Houston we have a morning radio show called Walton and Johnson (they're risqué and sexist, but they're hilarious) and they have a policy that they'll cut off any caller who says "you know" more than four times during a call. I can't tell you how many times they had to hang up on a caller. "You know", "like", "totally", "I mean", "actually" are essential communication tools for American's under 30 - I don't think they could convey a thought without those words. It drives me up a wall to listen to someone whose every 3rd word is "filler"! If I were an English teacher I'd fail every kid in class who couldn't speak without using those words/phrases. Hugs, CatNipped > "You know", "like", "totally", "I mean", "actually" are essential > communication tools for American's under 30 - I don't think they > could convey a thought without those words. It drives me up a wall > to listen to someone whose every 3rd word is "filler"! If I were an > English teacher I'd fail every kid in class who couldn't speak > without using those words/phrases. [delurk] Ahem. No, not every American under 30. And as long as we're generalizing about illiteracy, the plural of American doesn't have an apostrophe. Shall I tell you about *my* literacy pet peeve? Sorry my first post here in a while is kinda mean =/ But come on, now! People in glass houses and all that. CN, gotta proofread your rants first =) [/delurk]  Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> "You know", "like", "totally", "I mean", "actually" are essential >> communication tools for American's under 30 - I don't think they [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > [/delurk] ROFL. Glad to see you're feelin' better, 'Nipped, and posting again. You know, like, I haven't had access to the cyberworld of ngs in about a month, actually, and I mean I missed it totally killer! (Assume you meant "killer" and not "filler"??) If you're like, "up the wall" now, don't fall off when I lay it on you that I'm old enough to be YO MAMA, kid, LOL. Did I "convey" anything here? Like, a thought? Such as, if you don't wanna appear....SO last decade.......or even worse, OLD, find another, different pet peeve to post, kid. A last conveyance: *If it's TOO LOUD, you're too old*.(80's mantra). What to do in Denver when you're dead: turn up the volume! > > "You know", "like", "totally", "I mean", "actually" are essential > > communication tools for American's under 30 - I don't think they [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > [/delurk] Sorry, I am feeling very b*tchy right now. I just found out that my MIL is coming with her three dogs and cat and my SIL to ride out the storm here. Were you in the group last year at about this time when I described what that was like (hint, I was cleaning up dog p*ss for weeks afterwards)??? Gawd help me, I can't take it again right now - I'm too depressed and I'm in too much pain to deal. Hugs, CatNipped Yeah, I'm bummed too had to spend $ to get PC back online w/OE working right. Hey, 'Nipped, I recently UNinvited some folks who invited themselves here w/o any notice to me (would they have been *amazed* when they got here to find us *gone*! - we're moving) of course they were not my MIL though. Can't you tell them or better yet have your DH get in their face and inform them you're like *sick* these days?! It depresses *me* to think about visitors like you're describing here. That pack can just as well check in @ a pet-friendly *motel* for Katrina's visit. Another thing bumming me: my pals & relatives in s. FL are w/o power since K. slogged through and will not have power (if they're lucky!) till Tuesday, Florida Plunder & Loot promises them. (that's Florida Power & Light's local nick there)....to conclude: UNinvite this group before it's too late. >> > "You know", "like", "totally", "I mean", "actually" are essential >> > communication tools for American's under 30 - I don't think they [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > CatNipped > Sorry, I am feeling very b*tchy right now. I just found out that my MIL is > coming with her three dogs and cat and my SIL to ride out the storm here. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > CatNipped Yuck. Can't you find them a motel, rent an RV, anything? I"m having terrible flashbacks to February, when the homeless couple, their two dogs and three puppies moved in on top of us for three weeks. At least they weren't relatives. Lesson I learned: No house, on this earth, is built big enough for two families. Sherry >> ...>> Were you in the group last year at about this time when I described >> what [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yuck. Can't you find them a motel, rent an RV, anything? Sherry CatNipped, I remember well what an awful time it was for you. Even somebody who was not depressed would get depressed just thinking of going through that again. I hope you can get your husband to stand up to his relatives and let them know that they need to find other accommodations. Or at least make arrangements to board the animals (referring their pets, of course) (grin) (sorry). Good luck, Annie > Sorry, I am feeling very b*tchy right now. I just found out that my MIL is > coming with her three dogs and cat and my SIL to ride out the storm here. Well, from what I just saw in the news, looks like it will take them over 24 hours to drive to Houston from NOLA. At least it gives you time to prepare! :) > Were you in the group last year at about this time when I described what > that was like (hint, I was cleaning up dog p*ss for weeks afterwards)??? You know what? You have a fenced yard. It's nice and warm outside. Let the dogs outside. It's your house, you make the rules. Period. > Gawd help me, I can't take it again right now - I'm too depressed and I'm in > too much pain to deal. Wanna come to Austin to ride out the storm? You and the cats are welcome, DH is too, but I'd assume he'd stay home and deal with his mom. :) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com You really should not the one cleaning up after your MIL's dogs. Lots of purrs and best wishes for this stay to be much better than the last one, SignaturePolonca & Soncek > Sorry, I am feeling very b*tchy right now. I just found out that my MIL is > coming with her three dogs and cat and my SIL to ride out the storm here. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > CatNipped > I just found out that my MIL is >coming with her three dogs and cat and my SIL to ride out the storm here. >Were you in the group last year at about this time when I described what >that was like (hint, I was cleaning up dog p*ss for weeks afterwards)??? >Gawd help me, I can't take it again right now - I'm too depressed and I'm in >too much pain to deal. Oh heck, Lori. That's the last thing you need right now. You say you can't deal -- Are you listening to yourself? Have you said that in so many words to your husband and/or your in-laws? Have they heard you? I know it can be hard to take pre-emptive action when you're depressed, but I would urge you and your husband to consider almost any alternative. I don't know what area of NOLA your in-laws are bugging out from, but if it's a low-lying area, and if the storm hits at all directly, it could be weeks before they can move back. Maybe you need to bug out yourself. Seriously. Consider it. SignatureWayne M (indulged by Will and Heidi) > > I just found out that my MIL is > >coming with her three dogs and cat and my SIL to ride out the storm here. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Maybe you need to bug out yourself. Seriously. Consider it. Yeah, I know. Katrina is now a category 5 hurricane, with sustained winds of 160MPH, gusts over 200MPH, and a storm surge of 18 - 25 feet. This storm could completely wipe out New Orleans and *destroy* their homes. I feel like a huge sh*t for being so selfish worrying about my house and my cats' peace-of-mind when my family's lives and homes are on the line. Even the pain and depression I have right now can't compare on the scale of importance with that. A lot of the pressure I'm feeling is because of the part of the country we're from (family is *EVERYTHING* and no invitations are expected - it's just drop in when you feel like for however long you feel like) and the economic situation we grew up with (dirt poor - there is *NO* money for hotels, kennels, etc. and family is *expected* to help out with no questions asked and no excuses made). And when I even try to broach the subject to DH I get, "OK I'll call my mother and tell her to turn around and just go home!" [Don't jump on him yet - I know he doesn't really understand what I'm going through right now and he is also under pressure to take in our family in their time of need and *he* doesn't know what else to do.] He has said he'll talk to her about keeping the dogs either in the garage or in the yard, but he's not going to be here when she gets here or most of the time she'll be here (he's working today, Sunday, and with the job he has he'll get fired if he takes off any from work). I'm almost jealous about this. Working from home, I can't even get away from the situation for a few hours a day! The problem is that my MIL expects me to wait on her hand and foot, cook, wash dishes, wash her clothes, clean up after her dogs pee on my carpet (she literally stands there and watches as her dogs pee on the carpet and moans "Oh dear" and then looks at me to go clean it up). She stands by and watches as her dogs attack my cats without even trying to hold them back (last time my cats had diarrhea for a week afterwards just from stress!) Sorry, I know you guys are sick and tired of hearing me whine (and where is my "I whimpered on RPCA t-shirt? ;>). It's time for me to suck it up and deal however I can! Hugs, CatNipped > The problem is that my MIL expects me to wait on her hand and foot, cook, > wash dishes, wash her clothes, clean up after her dogs pee on my carpet (she > literally stands there and watches as her dogs pee on the carpet and moans > "Oh dear" and then looks at me to go clean it up). She stands by and > watches as her dogs attack my cats without even trying to hold them back > (last time my cats had diarrhea for a week afterwards just from stress!) snipped If you can be a gracious hostess under those conditions, you are a bigger woman than me. CN, you may have to set firm boundaries for self-preservation's sake. Your home is also your workplace. They are going to have to respect that. In retrospect, if I had set boundaries myself, I would not have ended up blowing my top when I reached the saturation point. Arrggh. Just thinking about it makes my stomache hurt. Purrs for you. Sherry >> Maybe you need to bug out yourself. Seriously. Consider it. This isn't a bad idea. Take a few days at a seriously posh spa and let your husband clean up after dog piss. Who made you the dog piss cleaner-upper? > I feel like a huge sh*t for being so selfish worrying about my house > and my cats' peace-of-mind when my family's lives and homes are on > the line. Even the pain and depression I have right now can't > compare on the scale of importance with that. Last time I saw a therapist, I said something about feeling stupid/selfish for being depressed when people in other countries, heck, even our country, have "real" problems, like shelter and food. But she straightened me out about that. Being depressed isn't something you choose; it's something that happens to you, just like your other illness that I am afraid to try to spell right now =P And comparing your suffering or needs to others' also doesn't make sense. You are who you are; you feel what you feel; you need what you need. > A lot of the pressure I'm feeling is because of the part of the > country we're from (family is *EVERYTHING* and no invitations are > expected - it's just drop in when you feel like for however long you > feel like) and the economic situation we grew up with (dirt poor - > there is *NO* money for hotels, kennels, etc. and family is > *expected* to help out with no questions asked and no excuses made). Ugh. I'm a big fan of family, but I like borders, too. > I'm almost jealous about this. Working from home, I can't even get > away from the situation for a few hours a day! Maybe it's too late for this time, but with your new job, could you afford a laptop w/wireless? You could go to a coffee shop and work from there. I have a laptop now for my new business (too bad I've been so overwhelmed with my "real" job that I haven't even finished the website!) > The problem is that my MIL expects me to wait on her hand and foot, > cook, wash dishes, wash her clothes, clean up after her dogs pee on my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > trying to hold them back (last time my cats had diarrhea for a week > afterwards just from stress!) You're depressed, I know, and you're in pain, I know, and that makes it soooo difficult to stand up for yourself. But still: the problem isn't that your MIL expects all this; it's that you fulfill her expectations, and your husband doesn't back you up. I know you said not to blame him, but if he knows how much you resent your MIL's expectations and he doesn't speak up or at least help out, he IS part of the problem. It's hard to stand up to someone else's family. It's his job to defend you when you're not in a position to defend yourself. If being married isn't about being there for each other, then what's the point? Don't make excuses for him. And don't do all the housework! You have a more than full time job; why are you doing everything in the house??? > Sorry, I know you guys are sick and tired of hearing me whine (and > where is my "I whimpered on RPCA t-shirt? ;>). It's time for me to > suck it up and deal however I can! Oooh, I want one of those tees! No. It's not time to suck it up. It's time to say "NO." In your stage voice, that reaches to the balcony. "No, I won't clean up after your incontinent dogs." "No, I won't let your dogs stay in the house. They can stay in the back yard, or they can stay in a shelter. I'm sick and tired of having my carpets ruined and having my cats spew diarrhea because they're stressed out by the dogs you don't bother to discipline." "No, husband, I won't clean up your mom's messes. Either tell her to clean them up, or do it yourself when you get home." "I am f'ing depressed, don't you get it? I can barely manage to get out of bed or get my work done, I'm in serious pain, and now you want me to wait on your mom hand and foot? Abso-f'in-lutely NO WAY." *hug* CN, I wish I could make this all go away for you, but I can't. So unless putting up is easier than speaking up, you need to say NO. Because you don't need this sh*t right now. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > The problem is that my MIL expects me to wait on her hand and foot, cook, > wash dishes, wash her clothes, clean up after her dogs pee on my carpet [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > CatNipped I suggest you use your computer skills to create a "Rules of the House" list, similar to the lists that were posted in boarding houses in colonial America. You could add some cute graphic images, and post them in various locations around your house. However, the important thing is, that you must hand a copy to everyone *as soon as they arrive* and make it clear that you are serious about sticking to the list. Let thm know that you realize the difficult position they are in, but this is *your* home, and they must abide by your rules. Expect some negative reactions from all this, resentment, and probably threats to go elsewhere -- but if you stick to your guns, it will out better for all involved (and I doubt if they really will seek other accomodations, but that would actually be to your advantage). If you provide the food, then you also need to include a fund that everyone pays into as their share; it wouldn't hurt to include utilities, but I'm not sure how far you would really want to carry this. MaryL >> The problem is that my MIL expects me to wait on her hand and foot, >> cook, wash dishes, wash her clothes, clean up after her dogs pee on >> my carpet (she >> literally stands there and watches as her dogs pee on the carpet and >> moans "Oh dear" and then looks at me to go clean it up). She stands >> by and watches as her dogs attack my cats without even trying to >> hold them back (last time my cats had diarrhea for a week afterwards >> just from stress!) >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I suggest you use your computer skills to create a "Rules of the > House" list, similar to the lists that were posted in boarding houses > in colonial America. You could add some cute graphic images, and > post them in various locations around your house. However, the > important thing is, that you must hand a copy to everyone *as soon as > they arrive* and make it clear that you are serious about sticking to > the list. Let thm know that you realize the difficult position they > are in, but this is *your* home, and they must abide by your rules. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > seek other accomodations, but that would actually be to your > advantage). If you provide the food, then you also need to include a > fund that everyone pays into as their share; it wouldn't hurt to > include utilities, but I'm not sure how far you would really want to > carry this. > > MaryL This is a great idea. You could make up some sort of book of rules, like in that show "Wife Swap". In it, you could outline your health circumstances and the fact that you now work from home and need to be able to get your work done undisturbed. And you could tell about what your cats went through after the last visit. So you could say you expect the dogs to be outside or wherever and for her to clean up after herself and her pets. You should also demand money to chip in for food and bills, etc. And if she can't or won't clean up, then get extra money and hire a cleaning service like Molly Maid every few of days. -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > The problem is that my MIL expects me to wait on her hand and foot, cook, > wash dishes, wash her clothes, clean up after her dogs pee on my carpet [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > my "I whimpered on RPCA t-shirt? ;>). It's time for me to suck it up and > deal however I can! Ok, I'm working on the RPCA Whimpered shirt. Or at least thinking about it. First of all, YOU have a job. Actually you have several jobs, and one of them is not waitress for lame MILs. I think I'd be heading into the office if I had to deal with this. Put a BIG sign up that reads NO D*GS allowed indoors, and stick to it, no matter how much the old bat whimpers and moans. No matter how much DH whimpers and moans. You're a big girl, but so are MIL and SIL, and I'm sure they have to do housekeeping and cooking back at their houses. Please make sure that you do what YOU have to. You are the kitty servant here and you have to do what is right for your family, and that, in this case, means THE CATS. Good luck, I know where you're coming from, as family is one of those stressful must deal with things here as well. We'll ask the cats to purr that Katrina, or any other hurricane doesn't bring down the MIL and SIL's houses. Pam S. CN, even in a hotel nobody would do for MIL what you do for her (and you have to pay to stay at a hotel). So please stop, listen to yourself and try to set some boundaries. I know this is really hard, but you have to do something. Please take care of yourself, CN, and get friends to support you when you start setting boundaries, SignaturePolonca & Soncek <snip> > The problem is that my MIL expects me to wait on her hand and foot, cook, > wash dishes, wash her clothes, clean up after her dogs pee on my carpet (she [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > CatNipped > The problem is that my MIL expects me to wait on her hand and foot, cook, > wash dishes, wash her clothes, clean up after her dogs pee on my carpet [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > watches as her dogs attack my cats without even trying to hold them back > (last time my cats had diarrhea for a week afterwards just from stress!) A thought I had, ok this is sneaky, and could cause problems, but you could tell them that the cats have ringworm or some other highly contagious disease that the d-things could catch from them, and use that as an excuse to keep them out of the house. Barring that, you could prominently post the phone number for Merry Maids in whatever room(s) you're having the in-laws stay in and make sure that MIL and SIL know to pay for them their selves. Pam S. who REALLY needs to get that whimpering shirt made up. > Sorry, I am feeling very b*tchy right now. I just found out that my > MIL is coming with her three dogs and cat and my SIL to ride out the > storm here. Were you in the group last year at about this time when > I described what that was like (hint, I was cleaning up dog p*ss for > weeks afterwards)??? Gawd help me, I can't take it again right now > - I'm too depressed and I'm in too much pain to deal. I don't recall the story last year ... wait, maybe it's a vague memory. But ugh =/ I also haven't been able to keep up with the group, so I don't know what storm they're riding out. Victor's idea of keeping the dogs in the back yard sounds good. You guys don't have any predators nearby, right? Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > Sorry, I am feeling very b*tchy right now. I just found out that my > > MIL is coming with her three dogs and cat and my SIL to ride out the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Victor's idea of keeping the dogs in the back yard sounds good. You > guys don't have any predators nearby, right? Katrina is now a category 5 hurricane, with sustained winds of 160MPH, gusts over 200MPH, and a storm surge of 18 - 25 feet. It's heading for New Orleans like New Orleans has a bullseye painted onThis storm could completely wipe out New Orleans and *destroy* their homes. My MIL is the house-guest-from-hell. She is avery sweet and kind hearted and loving woman, but her home is *filthy* and she doesn't even know that she *should* clean much less do it. Her three dogs are completely wild and untrained, bark constantly, pee all over my house, attack my cats. MIL doesn't clean her own house, so she doesn't even know enough to offer to help clean up after herself and her dogs when she's in my house - so I end up doing her laundry and cooking and *everything* and ohmygawd, I just can't deal with this right now!!!!!! Hugs, CatNipped now. I just found out that my MIL is > coming with her three dogs and cat and my SIL to ride out the storm here. > Were you in the group last year at about this time when I described what > that was like (hint, I was cleaning up dog p*ss for weeks afterwards)??? > Gawd help me, I can't take it again right now - I'm too depressed and I'm in > too much pain to deal./// Here's what you do. Go out and buy a child stair gate (or two). Put it across the kitchen and the bottom of the stairs. Take a bar out of the one at the bottom of the stairs so that the cats can get through it but the dogs can't. *Then* move all the cats feed bowls and litter pans upstairs away from the dogs. Tell the MIL that the dogs DO NOT under any circumstances go upstairs period. (Say Bandit is sick or on meds or something). That way at least *your* cats can get away from the intruders. Then, tell your MIL that the dogs are to be confined to the kitchen because they mess everywhere and you are not prepared to clear up after her hellions. Good luck and hugs. Helen M I'm sorry that they're headed your way. It's obviously an untenable situation so I hope that you can find a way to deal with it right from the beginning. It's easier to set limits at the outset than try to recover them over time. I've also found that, once people get over the initial shock of boundary setting, they tend to be just fine with it and then life is ever so much better - very marginal discomfort for the other people and peacefulness for you. If you try to suck it up, your body and mind will make sure that you still get the message and you risk a messy blowout and more physical symptoms. Knowing that they risk losing their homes does in no way erase the fact that you find this stressful - you can't ignore that. Can you blame it on a third party? Talk about the big deadline at your new job and the fact that your job is out of your home? Talk about recommendations from the vet about stress to your cats and mention all kinds of terrible things that the vet warned about for the cats. "It's really about the cats, dear MIL, the *vet* said that they can't take the stress". She has to be aware that you've got a new job that's very important to you. What I hate about situations like you're in is that its totally up to you to be strong and keep the lines in the sand. People will test you - just one interruption here, just one visit with the dog inside there. You have to be so strong and then you feel as if you're rude if you stand up for yourself against other people's inconsideration! Your husband has to be on side too. He has to support your job and your cats. Good luck Lori - I'm rooting for you. Susan M Otis and Chester "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote in message > > Sorry, I am feeling very b*tchy right now. I just found out that my MIL > is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > in > too much pain to deal. > Sorry, I am feeling very b*tchy right now. I just found out that my MIL > is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Hugs, Girl, you gotta either uninvite them, or lay down the law (or make poor hubby do it) ASAP. The d*gs stay outside, the cat is confined to a small area of your house, and your cats have ownership. She does all her own work, including cleaning up after the d*gs, and cat. The SIL better behave herself or find herself living outside with the d*gs or in the room with MIL's cat. We're here for you and will send them our own brands of kitty litter after they get back home, if they don't behave their sorry little arses this time. Pam S. feeling militant for Lori and her DH's sake >> > I have a new one. >> > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > CatNipped How about 'unbelievable' and 'amazing'? Seems like they are the favourite words of a lot of interviewees. Winnie > "You know", "like", "totally", "I mean", "actually" are essential > communication tools for American's under 30 - I don't think they could > convey a thought without those words. It drives me up a wall to listen to > someone whose every 3rd word is "filler"! If I were an English teacher I'd > fail every kid in class who couldn't speak without using those > words/phrases. Not only Americans, and not only under-30s. My high school English teacher complained loudly and often about our over-use of 'you know', and I'm well over 30. It's a constant problem of people who are nervous or sloppy with their speech. SignatureCheryl >>I have a new one. >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > chartruese theme, following the focal point which we found in the > dumpster behind the studio? And I know it will be totally awesome? In my youth, I briefly dated a guy from Georgia who ended all his sentences with a question mark - I just assumed it must be a regional trait. >>>I have a new one. >>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > sentences with a question mark - I just assumed it must be a regional > trait. When I was a student in U.S., my friends teased me on ending a lot of sentences with 'eh?'. Didn't realize I picked up a Canadian thing after only a few years in Canada. Winnie > >>>I have a new one. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Winnie The "eh?" is not a "Canadian" thing, it's basically found in Ontario. >> I have a new one. >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Sherry Uh oh, if you don't like that, don't go to Australia? The world capital of Terminal Rising Tones? ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > Uh oh, if you don't like that, don't go to Australia? The world > capital of Terminal Rising Tones? ;) > > Theresa Well, yeah, but it's cool when the Australians do it. Americans just sound stupid. Any Australian is invited to call me, day or night, and read me the phone book or something. Sherry >> Uh oh, if you don't like that, don't go to Australia? The world >> capital of Terminal Rising Tones? ;) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Sherry LOL. That's how I used to feel. After my split, I missed the sound of an Aussie voice, so the first guy I dated was another Aussie. :P Dumb thing to do, BTW. ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com [[>Well, yeah, but it's cool when the Australians do it. Americans just >sound stupid. >Any Australian is invited to call me, day or night, and read me the >phone book or something. > >Sherry LOL. That's how I used to feel. After my split, I missed the sound of an Aussie voice, so the first guy I dated was another Aussie. :P Dumb thing to do, BTW. ;) ]] LOL -- if you have Animal Planet, it might be safer to just watch some Croc Hunter episodes. Then you get to listen to an Aussie accent, and as an added bonus, said accent is talking about animals with enthusiasm. This is never a bad thing. :o) Donna, Captain, and Stanley > [[>Well, yeah, but it's cool when the Australians do it. Americans > just [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Donna, Captain, and Stanley Or just listen to Outback Steakhouse commercials ;) I'm told there is no such thing as a bloomin' onion in Australia. I've only ever eaten there one time, when John and I got tired of driving around trying to find a place to eat. It was there or nowhere. Not bad, mind you, but nothing to rave about, either. And no, we didn't have a bloomin' onion. Jill > Or just listen to Outback Steakhouse commercials ;) I'm told there > is no such thing as a bloomin' onion in Australia. I've only ever > eaten there one time, when John and I got tired of driving around > trying to find a place to eat. It was there or nowhere. Not bad, > mind you, but nothing to rave about, either. And no, we didn't have > a bloomin' onion. I've also heard that Australians in general think Foster's beer is awful ... any confirmation from our Aussies? Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> Or just listen to Outback Steakhouse commercials ;) I'm told there >> is no such thing as a bloomin' onion in Australia. I've only ever [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I've also heard that Australians in general think Foster's beer is >awful ... any confirmation from our Aussies? Second hand from the ex of one. He drank Vics Bitter himself. :P Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > > Or just listen to Outback Steakhouse commercials ;) I'm told there > > is no such thing as a bloomin' onion in Australia. I've only ever [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I've also heard that Australians in general think Foster's beer is > awful ... any confirmation from our Aussies? It has been suggested that beer is the national soup of Australia. I simply don't know the correct flavor. >> > Or just listen to Outback Steakhouse commercials ;) I'm told there >> > is no such thing as a bloomin' onion in Australia. I've only ever [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >It has been suggested that beer is the national soup of Australia. I >simply don't know the correct flavor. Studies show that Aussies are drinking more wine these days. Ex introduced me to Aussie wine many years ago-- one of good things I took away from relationship. ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >>>> Or just listen to Outback Steakhouse commercials ;) I'm told there >>>> is no such thing as a bloomin' onion in Australia. I've only ever [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com I love Lindeman's Australian chardonnay :) Not expensive, either. Jill >> Or just listen to Outback Steakhouse commercials ;) I'm told there >> is no such thing as a bloomin' onion in Australia. I've only ever [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I've also heard that Australians in general think Foster's beer is >awful ... any confirmation from our Aussies? No-one I know drinks it - last time I had a Fosters was more than 20 years ago and it was foul then, so I haven't bothered to try it since. DH now brews his own beer, which is really tasty, so I have become very spoilt. There are no Outback Steakhouses in Australia either. Tish - Sydney, Australia >>> Or just listen to Outback Steakhouse commercials ;) I'm told there >>> is no such thing as a bloomin' onion in Australia. I've only ever [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Tish - Sydney, Australia Whenever people asked my ex about Australian beer, he cheerfully said "Oh, we send you the crap, and keep the good stuff." ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >>>> Or just listen to Outback Steakhouse commercials ;) I'm told there >>>> is no such thing as a bloomin' onion in Australia. I've only ever [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Whenever people asked my ex about Australian beer, he cheerfully said > "Oh, we send you the crap, and keep the good stuff." ;) Ever heard those commercials "Foster's... Australian for beer"??? Maybe they messed up the translation and it should really be "Foster's...Austrailian for p!$$" ROFL > Whenever people asked my ex about Australian beer, he cheerfully said > "Oh, we send you the crap, and keep the good stuff." ;) Same with mexican beer. Until recently, it was impossible to find any good mexican beers in the US, all they sold was Corona and Dos Equis, both of which are crap. Mexican Bud if you will. Gimme Indio and Bohemia any day! SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com I can't drink, Victor, but since we landed in CO I've been able to enjoy the Mexican soft drinks they sell cheap @ Big Lots here. They sell other Mexican goodies (cookies, candy, fruit joices in 2-liter paper cartons (one of my faves is brand 'del Valle" mango nectar.) There is a large Hispanic presence here and I'm sure enjoying it! Who knew MileHigh wasn't all cowboys? >> Whenever people asked my ex about Australian beer, he cheerfully said >> "Oh, we send you the crap, and keep the good stuff." ;) > > Same with mexican beer. Until recently, it was impossible to find any good > mexican beers in the US, all they sold was Corona and Dos Equis, both of > which are crap. Mexican Bud if you will. Gimme Indio and Bohemia any day! > I can't drink, Victor, but since we landed in CO I've been able to > enjoy the Mexican soft drinks they sell cheap @ Big Lots here. They > sell other Mexican goodies (cookies, candy, fruit joices in 2-liter > paper cartons (one of my faves is brand 'del Valle" mango nectar.) > There is a large Hispanic presence here and I'm sure enjoying it! > Who knew MileHigh wasn't all cowboys? What weirds me out here is the lack of black people (compared to the DC metro area). Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> I can't drink, Victor, but since we landed in CO I've been able to >> enjoy the Mexican soft drinks they sell cheap @ Big Lots here. They [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > What weirds me out here is the lack of black people (compared to the > DC metro area). My Mom thought it was funny when I complained when we moved to Anchorage in 1968. Virtually no blacks, jews, asians, hispanics, or anything else that gives vilality to a neighborhood. I missed my Italian neighbors who yelled across the back fences at their kids. I missed the color and the noise and the smell of good food. Felt like I was sentenced to three years without a deli., Jo >I can't drink, Victor, but since we landed in CO I've been able to enjoy >the Mexican soft drinks they sell cheap @ > Big Lots here. They sell other Mexican goodies (cookies, candy, fruit > joices in 2-liter paper cartons (one of my faves is brand 'del Valle" > mango nectar.) There is a large Hispanic presence here and I'm sure > enjoying it! Who knew MileHigh wasn't all cowboys? That was a big eyeopener for me when we went thru Colorado 36 years ago. I'd never tasted any food or derivation of mexican food in my life. After Denver, Albequrqe, Tuscon, Phoenix LA and Central California I was hooked for life. I've also thoroughly enjoyed visits to Baha California and a friend who did his best to cook Tex Mex in Anchorage years ago. When we landed in Yuba City there were two families that ran very good Mexican restaurants. We know one family well. And know some of the other family too. Then in the last few years several very good Taquerias have opened. Far better than some small ones that have come and gone over time. Life is a banquet. Jo >>> Whenever people asked my ex about Australian beer, he cheerfully said >>> "Oh, we send you the crap, and keep the good stuff." ;) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> both of which are crap. Mexican Bud if you will. Gimme Indio and Bohemia >> any day! >> [[>Well, yeah, but it's cool when the Australians do it. Americans >> just [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >eat. It was there or nowhere. Not bad, mind you, but nothing to rave >about, either. And no, we didn't have a bloomin' onion. That's a pretty fake-sounding accent, too. :P Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >> [[>Well, yeah, but it's cool when the Australians do it. Americans >> just [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jill Bloomin' onion, LOL! The only place I've ever had that was in Bangkok! And not at the Outback Steakhouse either. -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album >[[>Well, yeah, but it's cool when the Australians do it. Americans just >>sound stupid. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Donna, Captain, and Stanley Oh no, not that guy!! I can't stand him-- and neither can most of the Aussies I know. ;) Did you ever notice his thighs? I can't believe a croc hasn't already taken a big juicy chunk out of them! ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >>[[>Well, yeah, but it's cool when the Australians do it. Americans just >>>sound stupid. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Aussies I know. ;) Did you ever notice his thighs? I can't believe > a croc hasn't already taken a big juicy chunk out of them! ;) Professional courtesy? Pam S. who wants to point out that this is also the reason that lawyers are safe swimming in the ocean <BG> > Oh no, not that guy!! I can't stand him-- and neither can most of the > Aussies I know. ;) Did you ever notice his thighs? I can't believe > a croc hasn't already taken a big juicy chunk out of them! ;) Ah yes, that Irwin chappie: "The Croc Botherer" as Nathan refers to him ;-) Cheers, helen s > Theresa > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >> Oh no, not that guy!! I can't stand him-- and neither can most of the >> Aussies I know. ;) Did you ever notice his thighs? I can't believe [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > him ;-) > Cheers, helen s I still giggle when I think of South Park's version of him "I'm gonna stick my thumb up this croc's bum... By Crikey - I've really pissed 'im of now!" or something to that effect... :D >>> Oh no, not that guy!! I can't stand him-- and neither can most of the >>> Aussies I know. ;) Did you ever notice his thighs? I can't believe [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >my thumb up this croc's bum... By Crikey - I've really pissed 'im of now!" >or something to that effect... :D I liked the advertisement that Steve Irwin made for the Federal Express package-delivery service, where he is handling a poisonous snake, gets bitten, and discovers too late that his assistant had used some other package delivery service, and thus doesn't have the antivenom on hand. Irwin says "Crikey!", and falls over. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria > Oh no, not that guy!! I can't stand him-- and neither can most of the > Aussies I know. ;) Did you ever notice his thighs? I can't believe > a croc hasn't already taken a big juicy chunk out of them! ;) Ah yes, that Irwin chappie: "The Croc Botherer" as Nathan refers to him ;-) Cheers, helen s =========================================== Nathan is very intelligent. I suspect you know that already. Suz >> Oh no, not that guy!! I can't stand him-- and neither can most of the >> Aussies I know. ;) Did you ever notice his thighs? I can't believe [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Cheers, helen s BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > > Uh oh, if you don't like that, don't go to Australia? The world > > capital of Terminal Rising Tones? ;) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sherry Citizens of any nation that has platypuses has to have a flexible approach to reality. >> > Uh oh, if you don't like that, don't go to Australia? The world >> > capital of Terminal Rising Tones? ;) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Citizens of any nation that has platypuses has to have a flexible >approach to reality. I've only seen one, myself. :( Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > I have a new one. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > This phenomenon is totally awesome. I think it's an outgrowth of the schools no longer bothering to teach such esoteric items as "vocabulary building" in English classes. Spelling seems to have fallen by the wayside, too - I saw a commercial the other day involving a gigantic cob of corn, bearing a sign calling it "amazeing". It occurred to me afterward that perhaps it was intended as a play on words, but in that case, it would have been spelled "a-MAIZE-ing" >I think it's an outgrowth of the schools no longer bothering >to teach such esoteric items as "vocabulary building" in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >as a play on words, but in that case, it would have been >spelled "a-MAIZE-ing" Oh, that's pretty neat, finding a misspelling in a misspelling. :) > This phenomenon is totally awesome. I love the word awesome, but I know a few other descriptors too, like radical and gnarly. --Fil > > This phenomenon is totally awesome. > > I love the word awesome, but I know a few other descriptors too, like > radical and gnarly. > > --Fil I don't like gnarly. It makes me think of an old witch's hands. (a bad witch). Sherry > > I love the word awesome, but I know a few other descriptors too, like > > radical and gnarly. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't like gnarly. It makes me think of an old witch's hands. (a bad > witch). Someday I will be an old witch; right now I'm a 20-something Wiccan O:) I guess I will be "gnarly" in my old age!! --Fil >> > I love the word awesome, but I know a few other descriptors too, like >> > radical and gnarly. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > --Fil I'm not gnarly, neither nervous nor sloppy. Not a Wiccan either, though the Deadly Duo could qualify as "familiars", I think. Let's all beware of casual finger-pointing (when TSA does it they call it "profiling")....lest thee be pointed @ for "whatever" (hee hee: another pop cult saying of the day).......LOL. > I'm not gnarly, neither nervous nor sloppy. Not a Wiccan either, though the > Deadly Duo could qualify as "familiars", > I think. Let's all beware of casual finger-pointing (when TSA does it they > call it "profiling")....lest thee be pointed @ for "whatever" (hee hee: > another pop > cult saying of the day).......LOL. You're eckshully pretty hip, Hop. In the old days I used to to think you were a young male poster. You write young. I am not hip. DH is less hip than me, if that is at all possible. Remember our fishing trip. We decided to stop on the way and buy some kind of beach-suitable shoes. He asked the sales clerk for "thongs". I kid you not. Sherry > > I don't like gnarly. It makes me think of an old witch's hands. (a bad > > witch). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > --Fil ROFL!! That's why I added "a bad witch". You're not a bad witch, and I'm sure "gnarly" would never describe you! Sherry ROFL - my mood improved 99% as the Broncos have got revenge on the Indy Colts tonight, 37-24! (regretfully, Magic Mood Jeep, in Colts' state!) Preseason, but our orange & blue were in top form tonight, in spite of Mr. P. Manning playing his usual excelent QB game. Something to be glad about there.....my relatives/friends who have functioning phones in s.FL have been bewailing their various states of post-Katrina hell down there: food is beyond spoiled, in short supply now, no ice (free ice being distributed here & there) no power, those w/gas stoves have no gas (all lines off for safety's sake) and in spite of low damage rates to homes, lotsa messes to clean up (if you weren't tired & hungry). I'll not turn a deaf ear now to those I love who listened to *me* griping & moaning all long winter here re the unpleasant weather I was not used to at *all*! Plus cleaning up snow..... As for your DH, Sherry......"thongs" where I come from are little strippy swimsuit bottoms that expose both butt-cheeks....BUT in many parts of our country they do indeed mean those cheap floppy beach shoes! I've heard that term for the shoes before, but not in s.FL. Probably parts of country where they are no more used to this type swimsuit as a common sight than I was used to CO winters, LOL. And *thank you* for calling me a HipHop, Sherry. Am I now DiddyHop? Or 50centHop? R.I.P., ODB.......LOL....you *do* know who ODB was, right? >> > I don't like gnarly. It makes me think of an old witch's hands. (a bad >> > witch). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sherry for calling > me a HipHop, > Sherry. Am I now DiddyHop? Or 50centHop? R.I.P., ODB.......LOL....you *do* > know who ODB was, right? ROFL! No! I know who 2LiveCrew is, though. Somewhere on I-35 lies a casette tape that I ejected from the tape player, and flung out the car window. Told you I was un-hip. Just ask the eight-grade girls who wailed all the way to school from the back seat. Sherry That's hilarious; yes, very un-hip. Type in "Ol' Dirty Bastard" on your browser & see sad story of ODB's leaving for the RB...some say he got ahold of some bad drugs here in Denver the day before to cause his fatal heart attack in NYC just before a WuTang]Clan (his group) concert there. Very sad. > for calling >> me a HipHop, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sherry > ROFL - my mood improved 99% as the Broncos have got revenge on the > Indy Colts tonight, 37-24! (regretfully, > Magic Mood Jeep, in Colts' state!) Preseason, but our orange & blue > were in top form tonight, in spite of Mr. P. > Manning playing his usual excelent QB game. Something to be glad about No Prob. I'm pretty pissed at the colts right now (send 'em back to Baltimore, I say... oh, wait - Baltimore has another team now, don't they?). </rant> See, they wanted a new stadium (and attached convention center) - so they threatened to leave town if they didn't get one, so of course Indianapolis & the surrounding area are now swallowing a 1% restaurant tax (an additional tax on anything bought at restaurants on top of the 6% sales tax) in order to buy them a new stadium. Why can't the millionaire owners & players buy their own damn stadium??? Why do they even need a "bigger better" stadium when they don't even fill the one they have (attendance is poor, what with all the TV coverage - usually blacked out on local TV, but with the availability of Satellite TV, more people stay home & invite friends over to watch the game than they do attend, mess with the hassle of parking, deal with the drunks around you.... get the drift?)? Why did the idjits in all but one of the counties surrounding Indianapolis approve of this restaurant tax in the first place????? Fortunately, that's the county between Us & Indianapolis. And now *our* county is trying to decide whether or not to impose it's own restaurant tax in order to enlarge *our* convention center - why?!?!?!?! It's not like the one we have is ever used for anything other than corporate Xmas parties anyway! If that ever passes, DH & I will not eat in restaurants in this county any more.... </endrant> > there.....my relatives/friends who have functioning phones in s.FL > have been bewailing their various states of post-Katrina hell down [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >> Sherry > Sherry. Am I now DiddyHop? Or 50centHop? R.I.P., ODB.......LOL....you *do* > know who ODB was, right? Have you seen that car commercial with snoop golfing, and he's using all the 'fo shizzle' terms? I really don't get that. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca I understand about half of what Snoop Dog says in that commercial....it's all Chrysler vehicle hype! @ the end, just before Snoop tees off, he says, "If the car is mo' fly...you must buy". Iococca (spelling?) brightens, what he's just heard (translated) is what his hype saying is: if you can find a better car....buy it! Note: to MMJeep: your cap city is where Miami was a long time ago AFA the stadium taxations...so hungry for an NFL team in your state the natives sold you out w/taxes. It's happened, and taxes ain't never gonna go down again. So enjoy your team's having - in IMHO and many others - the #2 QB in USA! Colts will, as usual, place high in playoffs this season. Of course you realize that #1 is Brady, but Jake the Snake is *way* down on the list, sadly. Bronc's defense is the reason we get to playoffs year after year, even as wild-card status. Big hug to Mike Anderson...... >> Sherry. Am I now DiddyHop? Or 50centHop? R.I.P., ODB.......LOL....you >> *do* >> know who ODB was, right? > > Have you seen that car commercial with snoop golfing, and he's using > all the 'fo shizzle' terms? I really don't get that. > I understand about half of what Snoop Dog says in that commercial....it's That's about twice as much as I undersand... that commercial needs subtitles!!! :) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com Actually (sorry, 'Nipped), I'm a Snoop fan though not of his ethnicity. I'd guess this commercial is targeted to fans of his, who might not even know who the white-haired old dude he's teeing for is, nor his history in auto world! Snoop also mentions trucks while @ wheel of golf-cart so maybe it's mainly a commercial for trucks, I dunno. I for one am glad to see Snoop as a spokesman instead of some vacuum-brain bimbo such as our current pop divas, who are hawking stuff on tv they can't even spell. >> I understand about half of what Snoop Dog says in that commercial....it's > > That's about twice as much as I undersand... that commercial needs > subtitles!!! :) > Actually (sorry, 'Nipped), I'm a Snoop fan though not of his ethnicity. I'd > guess this commercial is targeted to fans of his, who might not even know [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bimbo such as our current pop divas, who are hawking stuff on tv they can't > even spell. I don't think anybody ever topped Madonna for PR bimbo-ness. Not that she's a bimbo in the true sense; I imagine she is a very shrewd businesswoman. BUT she led the pack in the "Rock the Vote" commercials for MTV, urging young people to vote. She wasn't even registered herself. Sherry >> I understand about half of what Snoop Dog says in that >> commercial....it's > > That's about twice as much as I undersand... that commercial needs > subtitles!!! :) I don't think they wanted people to understand the languange, as they wanted people to understand that old & new *can* go together. Ever watch an old episode of "Married, with children"? What kind of car did Al Bundy own (and never really drove because it was a pile of junk)? a *Dodge*. for a period there, Dodge cars/trucks = cr@p... that was after Lee Iacocca left. Now that he's "back", things are better again. Also - did you know that Lee was the original designer of the Ford Mustang? He took the idea to his bosses at Chrysler, and they more or less booed him out of the room, so he took it to Ford. What was it??? A success!!!! Years later, he comes back and takes over Chrysler. That is exactly what I meant by "his history in auto world! Old white-haired dude is a "big cheese" there! He's aged pretty well, considering what tv cams can do to one's appearance. >>> I understand about half of what Snoop Dog says in that >>> commercial....it's [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > booed him out of the room, so he took it to Ford. What was it??? A > success!!!! Years later, he comes back and takes over Chrysler. >> Sherry. Am I now DiddyHop? Or 50centHop? R.I.P., ODB.......LOL....you >> *do* >> know who ODB was, right? > > Have you seen that car commercial with snoop golfing, and he's using > all the 'fo shizzle' terms? I really don't get that. I really hate all those Chrysler commercials, especially that one. If I were looking for a car or truck right now, a Chrysler would be about the LAST thing I'd buy. Pam S. who finds car commercials disgusting and the Chrysler commercials beyond hateful >> This phenomenon is totally awesome. > > I love the word awesome, but I know a few other descriptors too, like > radical and gnarly. Kewl....did you, as I, live in the land of the laid-back for awhile? I never recovered from a bad case of Valley-speak/surfer lingo. > I have a new one. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > CatNipped And my pet peeve: stupid commercials Why do advertisers think that stupidity will sell their product? MLB 1 >> I have a new one. >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >have no interest/motivation at all in what Viagra is used to treat get >multiple repeated spam emails re its virtues! Even though it'll be bigtime appealed in court by the co's attornies, I loved the multimillion $ award recently to widow of Vioxx user.....one small step for mankind's victims of drug companies' greed for all to see. Jury was not swayed by corp. attornies long technical explanations re causes of victim's demise....they were an unsophisticated bunch who concluded....he's dead, period. > 1 > Even though it'll be bigtime appealed in court by the co's > attornies, I loved the multimillion $ award recently to widow of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > demise....they were an unsophisticated bunch who concluded....he's > dead, period. But aren't the chances of Vioxx actually causing fatal complications almost nil? I haven't had much reason to keep up with this stuff, but that's been my impression. Any medicine has a chance of being a problem. A friend of mine can't take birth control pills because her body doesn't process it properly -- she almost had kidney failure within a day. This is a drug that bazillions of women take every day. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Your friend is unfortunately *in the NIL*,Monique. So was, argueably, the Vioxx dead dude. None of this statistic crap matters a rat's a** unless one is "in the NIL" - your word for chances of death (almost nil) due to one or another med, Rx or not. I am allergic to iodides (mainly the reason contrast exams show docs what's up in radiology procedures)...to a degree, not life-threatening status. Now: someday I will have angina again due to a blocked coronary artery or tributary thereof: Iodide allergy can kill you, very quickly, right on the exam table. Do you think I will hesitate to have a cardiac cath because of my allergy to iodides, and just wait to see if my heart will dig in its heels (LOL) and bug out like it did once before? Right. >> Even though it'll be bigtime appealed in court by the co's >> attornies, I loved the multimillion $ award recently to widow of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- she almost had kidney failure within a day. This is a drug that > bazillions of women take every day. > Your friend is unfortunately *in the NIL*,Monique. So was, argueably, the > Vioxx dead dude. None of this statistic crap matters a rat's a** unless [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > my allergy to iodides, and just wait to see if my heart will dig in its > heels (LOL) and bug out like it did once before? Right. There may be good news, in that cardiac MRI is constantly improving as a viable alternative to angiography. > >> Even though it'll be bigtime appealed in court by the co's > >> attornies, I loved the multimillion $ award recently to widow of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -- she almost had kidney failure within a day. This is a drug that > > bazillions of women take every day. Wow! That IS good news for me, Howard...I've had one MRI (brain) - unpleasant but I considered it like a mind-invading noisy video game sound, LOL, and much more fun than either of my cardiac caths later. Tell me more when you learn more. I barely understand MRI principles but many of my rad pals crossed over to that mode; urging me to do so as well. My reply to them was if I look like this running around in an ER what would I look like sitting on my a.s twirling a ball on a console all shift? LOL. >> Your friend is unfortunately *in the NIL*,Monique. So was, argueably, the >> Vioxx dead dude. None of this statistic crap matters a rat's a** unless [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> > -- she almost had kidney failure within a day. This is a drug that >> > bazillions of women take every day. > But aren't the chances of Vioxx actually causing fatal complications > almost nil? I haven't had much reason to keep up with this stuff, but > that's been my impression. I was given Vioxx for a swollen arm and it put me into a state of heart failure. Had I not realized what was happening and threw away the pills even before seeing the doctor, I probably wouldn't have made it. I had a heart rate of 35 beats per minute, after having two days without the medicine. Pam S. who doesn't think Vioxx is implicated nearly as much as it should be > >> I have a new one. > >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > concluded....he's dead, period. > > 1 I don't see that lack of sophistication as any more desirable than the assumption of stupidity of most commercials. Mind you, many of the direct-to-consumer drug advertising, both for over-the-counter and prescription products, is often misleading rather than stupid. The case with Vioxx and related COX-2 inhibitors is not simple. It does appear that Merck, shockingly as it had been regarded as extremely concerned with ethics, may have suppressed some negative test results. In reality, no drug is completely safe, and the reas |
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