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Pamela Shirk - 21 Aug 2005 22:07 GMT When I posted my college update, I forgot to put in what has been edging the back of my mind. I won't be in here as often as before due to all the work for school. So I want to offer up purrs and best wishes for all of you. Tak, I'm so sorry about Miss Betty's jaw. I hope that it is benign, and that she will be the delight of your heart for a long time to come. I'm thinking about you all, and hoping that everything is wonderful for you. The cats are disgruntled about me not posting for them, but, while they don't seem to have forgiven me, they haven't bitten me on the butt yet.
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Takayuki - 23 Aug 2005 01:30 GMT >When I posted my college update, I forgot to put in what has been edging the >back of my mind. I won't be in here as often as before due to all the work [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Pam S. Thank you for thinking about Betty, Pam. It's really not selfish to have a life - and you have enough on your plate for maybe two or three lives.
I got word on Betty's biopsy results today, and they were as expected, so I've gotten a referral, and have been setting up a consult with the veterinary oncology center.
Annie Wxill - 23 Aug 2005 01:34 GMT ..> I got word on Betty's biopsy results today, and they were as expected,
> so I've gotten a referral, and have been setting up a consult with the > veterinary oncology center. Tak, I'm so sorry to read this. I hope there is something that can be done to help Betty. You and Betty are in my thoughts and prayers. Annie
Karen - 23 Aug 2005 01:51 GMT > ..> I got word on Betty's biopsy results today, and they were as expected, >> so I've gotten a referral, and have been setting up a consult with the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You and Betty are in my thoughts and prayers. > Annie Same here :( I was sooooo hoping.... Purrs and prayers, good thoughts and hope to you and Betty.
Takayuki - 23 Aug 2005 04:53 GMT >> Tak, >> I'm so sorry to read this. I hope there is something that can be done to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Same here :( I was sooooo hoping.... Purrs and prayers, good thoughts and >hope to you and Betty. I think it's okay. I don't want to mourn the living, at least not before I know for sure what we're dealing with. Right now, Betty is happy and healthy, and in her mind, I'm sure, nothing is amiss.
Still, I've had to numb my spirit a bit. Before, Betty was like sunshine to me. Now, I see Betty through dark clouds of concern. Before, we were carefree, and we would hug and dance. Now, I handle her carefully, clinically - she's become a patient.
I had a dream where she could no longer work her jaw or eat, and I ordered her death by lethal injection. As cold as a Roman emperor giving a thumbs-down.
I feel like warning Betty to stay away from me. I'm no longer the daddy she knew, the one she trusts and loves. I'll spirit her off. I'll chop off her jaw. I'll have her put to sleep. She can't imagine the terrible things I could do.
So I numb myself and I hope - that the cancer hasn't spread widely. If it's spread to her lungs or other organs, there probably isn't much that can be done. I hope that surgery and radiation will be enough, and even if it isn't, we can make the best of whatever time we have left together - that's all any cat and hoomin can do.
CatNipped - 23 Aug 2005 14:02 GMT > >> Tak, > >> I'm so sorry to read this. I hope there is something that can be done to [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I'll chop off her jaw. I'll have her put to sleep. She can't imagine > the terrible things I could do. {{{{{{{{{{Tak}}}}}}}}}} No, Tak, that isn't true. When Bandit was burned, I had to do all kinds of horrible things to her, but her love and trust didn't waiver in the least. She somehow *knew* I was doing all that because I love her and she didn't blame me even for a minute. Believe me, Betty will know you love her as much, if not more, than ever before.
> So I numb myself and I hope - that the cancer hasn't spread widely. > If it's spread to her lungs or other organs, there probably isn't much > that can be done. I hope that surgery and radiation will be enough, > and even if it isn't, we can make the best of whatever time we have > left together - that's all any cat and hoomin can do. I know. You do have to numb yourself in order to do what you need to do - otherwise you couldn't function in order to help your baby.
Mega purrs are coming that you'll have lots and lots of quality time left with Betty.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Nan - 23 Aug 2005 14:06 GMT >I think it's okay. I don't want to mourn the living, at least not >before I know for sure what we're dealing with. Right now, Betty is [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >and even if it isn't, we can make the best of whatever time we have >left together - that's all any cat and hoomin can do. I'm so sorry that you and Betty are going through this. Hugs, prayers, mega purrs that the cancer is localized.
Purrs and Hugs,
Nan
Dan M - 23 Aug 2005 18:44 GMT > I feel like warning Betty to stay away from me. I'm no longer the > daddy she knew, the one she trusts and loves. I'll spirit her off. > I'll chop off her jaw. I'll have her put to sleep. She can't imagine > the terrible things I could do. Cats *do* have a way of knowing when we are working for their good. Harri has always been terrified of strangers. But when I picked her up from the first vet to run her down to the specialist she allowed me to hold her in my arms and didn't struggle or squirm, even when we were close to other people. She had enough energy that she could have, as she proved when she explored the car all the way to Westminster. She just knew that we were doing something important to her health.
And when she was in the hospital, she again knew that the people sticking her with needles and things were doing so for her benefit. When Nancy and I went to visit her on her 2nd night in the hospital had a suction tube running into her chest, IV lines in both paws, and an E collar around her neck. But when I opened her cage door she didn't hesitate to climb right into my arms and snuggle with me. Sure, the humans she was around were doing awful things to her, but she *knew* that it was all important and that it was all for her benefit.
I believe that Betty knows the same about the treatments she will receive in your care.
polonca12000 - 23 Aug 2005 22:02 GMT Please do *not* think you are doing anything bad to Betty, Tak, on the contrary, you are doing your very best to find the best cure possible for her. You are her saviour. I know this is hard, but please do not make it harder on yourself imagining things that could not be further away from the truth. Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for Betty to recover and hugs for you, Tak, for taking such good care of her,
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> I think it's okay. I don't want to mourn the living, at least not > before I know for sure what we're dealing with. Right now, Betty is [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > and even if it isn't, we can make the best of whatever time we have > left together - that's all any cat and hoomin can do. Adrian - 23 Aug 2005 22:58 GMT >>> Tak, >>> I'm so sorry to read this. I hope there is something that can be [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > and even if it isn't, we can make the best of whatever time we have > left together - that's all any cat and hoomin can do. If only love could cure our cats, then you and Betty would have nothing to worry about. Purrs that the treatment works and Betty has lots of quality time left.
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sriddles@aol.com - 24 Aug 2005 05:12 GMT > I think it's okay. I don't want to mourn the living, at least not > before I know for sure what we're dealing with. Right now, Betty is [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > and even if it isn't, we can make the best of whatever time we have > left together - that's all any cat and hoomin can do. Tak, don't underestimate Betty. I truly, honestly with all my heart believe that they *know* when you're helping them. She won't blame you. Heartfelt purrs going to you and Betty.
Sherry
Krista - 24 Aug 2005 07:37 GMT > I think it's okay. I don't want to mourn the living, at least not > before I know for sure what we're dealing with. Right now, Betty is [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > and even if it isn't, we can make the best of whatever time we have > left together - that's all any cat and hoomin can do. I am sorry to read the news about Betty's biopsy results; we are purring very, very hard for her and for you.
But you are wrong about not being the daddy she loves and trusts; this would have happened to her no matter what, and think how awful it would be for her if she didn't have you - if she didn't have love and comfort at home, and the medical care to give her a chance, and a gentle end if necessary. She's absolutely right to give you her love and her trust; it's just an awfully hard thing for the human side of the equation. (((((((Tak)))))))
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Marina - 24 Aug 2005 14:31 GMT > So I numb myself and I hope - that the cancer hasn't spread widely. > If it's spread to her lungs or other organs, there probably isn't much > that can be done. I hope that surgery and radiation will be enough, > and even if it isn't, we can make the best of whatever time we have > left together - that's all any cat and hoomin can do. Aww, Tak. You and Betty are in our thoughts. I know all about having to do things to cats for their own good, when they don't understand why they are being tortured so. If only they could understand our words, or we could talk so they understand.
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Takayuki - 26 Aug 2005 07:14 GMT >Aww, Tak. You and Betty are in our thoughts. I know all about having to >do things to cats for their own good, when they don't understand why >they are being tortured so. If only they could understand our words, or >we could talk so they understand. You've had to medicate your kitties a lot, which is hard. I've found Betty very easy to handle, but I'm sure she doesn't like medical procedures. At the last vet appointment, she was shaking with fear as I was holding her.
Right now, things are still pretty normal. Betty has an appointment with an oncologist next Thursday.
Pamela Shirk - 27 Aug 2005 23:31 GMT > You've had to medicate your kitties a lot, which is hard. I've found > Betty very easy to handle, but I'm sure she doesn't like medical [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Right now, things are still pretty normal. Betty has an appointment > with an oncologist next Thursday. Man, I was so hoping that Betty didn't have cancer. I'm sorry Tak. Betty is a sweetie and loves you. I'm also sure that she knows that anything you do is with her best interests at heart. I'm so glad that you have an oncologist to take her to. Down here cats are considered more as disposable property, rather than as valued family members.
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Takayuki - 28 Aug 2005 05:18 GMT >Man, I was so hoping that Betty didn't have cancer. I'm sorry Tak. Betty >is a sweetie and loves you. I'm also sure that she knows that anything you >do is with her best interests at heart. I'm so glad that you have an >oncologist to take her to. Down here cats are considered more as disposable >property, rather than as valued family members. Well, you know how they like to enslave. They're soft and furry, making you hold them. They eat what you give them, making you take care of them. They live with you, making you protective of them. They charm you with their personalities, making you fascinated by them. They touch your soul, making you love them.
Pamela Shirk - 28 Aug 2005 23:18 GMT > Well, you know how they like to enslave. They're soft and furry, > making you hold them. They eat what you give them, making you take > care of them. They live with you, making you protective of them. > They charm you with their personalities, making you fascinated by > them. They touch your soul, making you love them. All the more reason that it is a disgrace that this area doesn't have better medical set ups for cats and d-things.
Betty is a sweetie, Tak, my crew is sending out lots of purrs for her to feel better soon.
Pam S.
Christina Websell - 27 Aug 2005 19:49 GMT >>> Tak, >>> I'm so sorry to read this. I hope there is something that can be done [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Before, we were carefree, and we would hug and dance. Now, I handle > her carefully, clinically - she's become a patient. Please don't view her as a patient, hug and dance with her like everything is normal. I hated how my family treated me when I was in a similar situation, very different to how they usually did.
> I had a dream where she could no longer work her jaw or eat, and I > ordered her death by lethal injection. As cold as a Roman emperor > giving a thumbs-down. I have had to make this decision myself. I found it very difficult emotionally, like yourself and it gave me bad dreams too.
> I feel like warning Betty to stay away from me. I'm no longer the > daddy she knew, the one she trusts and loves. I'll spirit her off. > I'll chop off her jaw. I'll have her put to sleep. She can't imagine > the terrible things I could do. Now listen, Tak. You love Betty, and Betty loves you, therefore you will do your best to act in her best interest. She's lucky. You are tormenting yourself. Your post brought tears to my eyes. As a cancer patient myself I ask you to treat Betty as you always have. I'm sure you wouldn't like her to sense that something is different in your relationship now?
Tweed
> So I numb myself and I hope - that the cancer hasn't spread widely. > If it's spread to her lungs or other organs, there probably isn't much > that can be done. I hope that surgery and radiation will be enough, > and even if it isn't, we can make the best of whatever time we have > left together - that's all any cat and hoomin can do. Takayuki - 28 Aug 2005 05:24 GMT >Now listen, Tak. You love Betty, and Betty loves you, therefore you will do >your best to act in her best interest. She's lucky. >You are tormenting yourself. Your post brought tears to my eyes. >As a cancer patient myself I ask you to treat Betty as you always have. I'm >sure you wouldn't like her to sense that something is different in your >relationship now? Thank you so much for the advice, and for everyone else too, many who are saying the same thing. I try not to worry too much when I am with Betty. I hope that they can treat her as well as they treated you. I really thought you were going to die yourself!
Christina Websell - 30 Aug 2005 02:02 GMT >>Now listen, Tak. You love Betty, and Betty loves you, therefore you will >>do [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Betty. I hope that they can treat her as well as they treated you. I > really thought you were going to die yourself! So did the doctors, so did my family. So then, did I. I've fooled them for a while and I'm still here and I'm going back to work on Wednesday. Please dance with Betty again. She is no more different than she ever was and neither am I. She is the same cat, I am the same person. Cancer is just something that tries to alter our lives and we mustn't let it.
Tweed
Tish Silberbauer - 23 Aug 2005 02:36 GMT >I got word on Betty's biopsy results today, and they were as expected, >so I've gotten a referral, and have been setting up a consult with the >veterinary oncology center. Damn. I'm so sorry. I was hoping it would be better news. Purrs to you and Betty, Tak.
Tish
Victor Martinez - 23 Aug 2005 03:11 GMT > I got word on Betty's biopsy results today, and they were as expected, > so I've gotten a referral, and have been setting up a consult with the > veterinary oncology center. We're sending lots of healing purrs.
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Sam Nash - 23 Aug 2005 03:52 GMT <snipped>
>I got word on Betty's biopsy results today, and they were as expected, > so I've gotten a referral, and have been setting up a consult with the > veterinary oncology center. So sorry to hear this, Tak. Recovery purrs for Betty commencing. Sam, closely supervised and ably assisting in purring by Mistletoe
badwilson - 23 Aug 2005 03:59 GMT >> When I posted my college update, I forgot to put in what has been >> edging the back of my mind. I won't be in here as often as before >> due to all the work for school. So I want to offer up purrs and >> best wishes for all of you. Tak, I'm so sorry about Miss Betty's >> jaw. I hope that it is benign, and that she will be the delight of >> your heart for a long time to come. I'm thinking about you all, and
>> hoping that everything is wonderful for you. The cats are >> disgruntled about me not posting for them, but, while they don't [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > so I've gotten a referral, and have been setting up a consult with the > veterinary oncology center. I'm so sorry, Tak. Purrs for the treatment to be successful so that you and Betty can have many more years together. -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Steve Touchstone - 23 Aug 2005 06:49 GMT >I got word on Betty's biopsy results today, and they were as expected, >so I've gotten a referral, and have been setting up a consult with the >veterinary oncology center. (((((((((((Tak)))))))))))))
Purrs that the specialists can give Betty a long life with excellent quality of life. Other than that I don't really know what to say, except that you and Betty are receving lots of purrs from here (and others around the world) and you'll be in my prayers.
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Exocat - 23 Aug 2005 08:13 GMT > I got word on Betty's biopsy results today, and they were as expected, > so I've gotten a referral, and have been setting up a consult with the > veterinary oncology center. Sorry to hear this. We join your many cyberfriends all over the world in hoping & purring that Betty can be treated successfully, or if the disease has gone so far that treatment would be too drastic to be undertaken she passes peacefully, painlessly & with dignity.
Purrs again
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M Elizabeth - 23 Aug 2005 12:49 GMT > >When I posted my college update, I forgot to put in what has been edging the > >back of my mind. I won't be in here as often as before due to all the work [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > so I've gotten a referral, and have been setting up a consult with the > veterinary oncology center. I'm sorry to hear about Betty's results. I hope they can help at oncology.
Dan M - 23 Aug 2005 18:38 GMT > Thank you for thinking about Betty, Pam. It's really not selfish to > have a life - and you have enough on your plate for maybe two or three [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > so I've gotten a referral, and have been setting up a consult with the > veterinary oncology center. Our purrs for Betty's health through the treatment regimen continue.
Dan
Candace - 24 Aug 2005 04:40 GMT > I got word on Betty's biopsy results today, and they were as expected, > so I've gotten a referral, and have been setting up a consult with the > veterinary oncology center. I'm sorry the results were not what you had hoped. I hope Betty has good results with her treatment and you and she have a long life together.
Candace
SuzQ - 27 Aug 2005 16:31 GMT Thank you for thinking about Betty, Pam. It's really not selfish to have a life - and you have enough on your plate for maybe two or three lives.
I got word on Betty's biopsy results today, and they were as expected, so I've gotten a referral, and have been setting up a consult with the veterinary oncology center. Tak +========================================= Tak, I'm so sorry I've been wondering all week, but hadn't seen a topic about. Purrs contiue here in W. Suz&Spicey
Susan M - 27 Aug 2005 17:43 GMT Tak: I'm so sorry that the results were as expected. We continue to send purrs and hugs your way.
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> Thank you for thinking about Betty, Pam. It's really not selfish to > have a life - and you have enough on your plate for maybe two or three [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > about. Purrs contiue here in W. > Suz&Spicey Takayuki - 28 Aug 2005 05:54 GMT >Tak, I'm so sorry I've been wondering all week, but hadn't seen a topic >about. Purrs contiue here in W. >Suz&Spicey Hi Suz,
There isn't much new to report medically. She has a consult on Thursday at NEVOG, the New England Veterinary Oncology Group, in Waltham. I complained that a week seemed to be a long wait for a consult, but they said that until recently, the usual wait was two weeks. They're the only oncology center in New England, and they've attracted all the oncology specialists who used to work at the city clinics like Angell Memorial, so I don't have much choice but to wait.
Susan M - 28 Aug 2005 06:12 GMT Hey Tak - I'm sorry that I wasn't able to read your full post before until I googled it just now. The history was gone on OE when I logged in after our holiday.
You're not the mean guy here - you're not the one who has made her sick. You're her companion as she's dealing with this. Helping her, giving her love and compassion, and making decisions for her that will help her. She is blessed to be partnered with you while she is sick. She knows that you're on her side - there's no question of that. She needs you to be there for her.
I'm desperately sorry that she's sick, and so young, and that you, such a devoted slave, are navigating such tough waters with her illness. The continued purrs and prayers of rpca'ers will be with you and I hope that your oncology visit is good. Please keep us in the loop and take very good care,
Susan M Otis and Chester
>>Tak, I'm so sorry I've been wondering all week, but hadn't seen a topic >>about. Purrs contiue here in W. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > attracted all the oncology specialists who used to work at the city > clinics like Angell Memorial, so I don't have much choice but to wait. Takayuki - 29 Aug 2005 03:52 GMT >I'm desperately sorry that she's sick, and so young, and that you, such a >devoted slave, are navigating such tough waters with her illness. The >continued purrs and prayers of rpca'ers will be with you and I hope that >your oncology visit is good. Please keep us in the loop and take very good >care, Right now, she's soo normal, it feels funny getting so many purrs! Betty appreciates them, although she doesn't seem to know she's not well. She does seem pretty young to get cancer, but she's about 6 years old now, so she's a mature kitty.
She's always on my lap as usual. The only thing that feels different is her chin - they shaved it for the biopsy, and with her fur beginning to come in, it feels like she's resting a cactus on my arm. What a prickly little girl!
Howard C. Berkowitz - 28 Aug 2005 16:07 GMT > >Tak, I'm so sorry I've been wondering all week, but hadn't seen a topic > >about. Purrs contiue here in W. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > attracted all the oncology specialists who used to work at the city > clinics like Angell Memorial, so I don't have much choice but to wait. I know how hard it is, having had both two- and four-legged cancer victims. Nevertheless, there have been changes in thinking about human cancer. At one point, it was felt the fastest possible radical surgery was necessary in breast cancer -- if the less accurate frozen section was even suggestive during surgery, radical mastectomy, or rarely lumpetomy, was the standard of care.
Now, especially with the routine use of protective low-dosage chemotherapy after surgery, there are decent studies that show survival doesn't change with immediate surgery, and that lumpectomy, especially with chemotherapy, may be equally effective, and far less disfiguring than radical (Halsted procedure) or modified radical.
Pain control, of course, is essential. With my Clifford (RB), the particular drugs that controlled the pain of his bladder cancer also can, and did, cause it to shrink. We were trying to get him stable enough for more radical chemotherapy, but the odds weren't with us.
Purrs for Betty. Bone cancer treatment has improved a great deal. Osteogenic sarcoma is a bone cancer of humans, especially teenagers and young adults. There are memoirs from doctors practicing in the 1920s and 1930s who had to give colleagues -- residents -- the bad news, and there was an informal consensus that in such cases, the treating physician would provide a prescription for assisted suicide, something not available to laymen.
Treatment improved with surgical methods, to the point that quick high amputation began to mean the disease was not a death sentence -- although it did mean such things as mid-thigh amputation for a lower leg tumor.
Today, it is being treated principally for drugs, requires no surgery, and there is enough long-term data to say true cure, not just remission, is possible.
Helen Miles - 28 Aug 2005 17:38 GMT
> Today, it is being treated principally for drugs, requires no surgery, > and there is enough long-term data to say true cure, not just remission, > is possible./// Purrs and prayers for Betty that this is the case and that she is with you for many more years yet.
Helen M
Takayuki - 29 Aug 2005 03:59 GMT >Purrs for Betty. Bone cancer treatment has improved a great deal. >Osteogenic sarcoma is a bone cancer of humans, especially teenagers and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >and there is enough long-term data to say true cure, not just remission, >is possible. Thank you, as usual, a lot of useful information. I'm not sure how applicable that would be to Betty, as I'm vague on the details of her condition. Her biopsy showed that she has squamous cell carcinoma, which they tell me is a soft tissue cancer that sometimes spreads to the bone, as it seems to be doing now. Originally, they told me that it was unlikely that Betty could be treated with chemo, as bone cancers are usually resistant to it. But they told me that before her biopsy results, so I'm not sure if that still applies. I'm sure an oncologist would be able to give me more complete information. But if it's indeed the case that Betty has a malignant tumor that can't be treated with chemo, that sounds very bad to me. You can't irradiate the entire body.
SuzQ - 29 Aug 2005 12:33 GMT "SuzQ" <suqkrt@no.$pam.aol.com> wrote:
>Tak, I'm so sorry I've been wondering all week, but hadn't seen a topic >about. Purrs contiue here in W. >Suz&Spicey Hi Suz,
There isn't much new to report medically. She has a consult on Thursday at NEVOG, the New England Veterinary Oncology Group, in Waltham. I complained that a week seemed to be a long wait for a consult, but they said that until recently, the usual wait was two weeks. They're the only oncology center in New England, and they've attracted all the oncology specialists who used to work at the city clinics like Angell Memorial, so I don't have much choice but to wait. Tak ===================================== That's interesting, I thought the Boston area would be better. I guess all the medical stuff the area is known for didn't carry over to pets. Still purring, Suz&Spicey
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 28 Aug 2005 21:26 GMT >Thank you for thinking about Betty, Pam. It's really not selfish to >have a life - and you have enough on your plate for maybe two or three [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >about. Purrs contiue here in W. >Suz&Spicey Piggybacking since I couldn't find the original post.
{{{{{Tak}}}}} I am so sorry. Purrs for Betty and for you.
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