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De-clawed cat is still limping

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Cam Boutin - 14 Sep 2003 04:16 GMT
Hi,

My 3 yr old car was declawed about 2 monthes ago. Big problem with furniture
and rugs.He jumps on and off  furniture is real cudley but used to run
around basement and house before de-clawing. Now he just lays around sits on
our lap is in-active and weighs 18lbs.
Any advice.
Thanks
Sad - 15 Sep 2003 11:35 GMT
>Hi,
>
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>Any advice.
>Thanks

Just so you know what you have done:
http://www.declawing.com/

The only advice I have to offer is don't ever do it again PLEASE. If
your rugs and furniture are that important to you don't live with a
cat. Unfortunately it is already too late for the cat you have now.

'Sad'.
Nina S. - 15 Sep 2003 19:39 GMT
Have you spoken to your vet yet? Chances are he is still hurting a bit from
this unnecessary and painful surgery. Or, he could have an infection.

I agree with Sad, please don't do this again. Material things can be
replaced, bone can't. http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/declawpics.html

Nina
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Any advice.
> Thanks
Claw - 15 Sep 2003 23:00 GMT
Idiot. Not only you've done wrong big time, but now you ask what's wrong
with him... Declawing causes irreparable psychological damage, that's what's
wrong with your cat. I'm sorry no one told you this before, and the vet who
did this operation should have.
Dum idiots both of you. If this 'vet' is anything of a vet, he/she would
tell you how to minimize scratching and what scratching means at the first
place.
Enjoy your precious furniture now! And f.ck yourself inside.

> Hi,
>
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> Any advice.
> Thanks
Jim Smith - 15 Sep 2003 23:20 GMT
> Idiot. Not only you've done wrong big time, but now you ask what's wrong
[snip]
> Enjoy your precious furniture now! And f@%k yourself inside.
                   
I know many have deep and passionate views on this subject, but there
are young people that read this newsgroup.

You don't know me, but I just bought my daughter a kitten (a rescued
ragdoll mix) and she was reading this newsgroup.
Just so happens, I jumped on the computer and started reading.  I'm glad
I read this message instead of her.

I know you can get your message across without using this type of
language.

Thanks!
Jim Smith
Signature

Blaming the gun for murder, is like blaming the car for hit and run!

Sad - 16 Sep 2003 16:35 GMT
I agree with Jim about the profanity. Also, my first reaction to
anybody who says they have a cat declawed would be to say they are
cruel and should have their fingers amputated.

However... Here in Holland, and in most of Europe, people know that
declawing is unnecessary, cruel mutilation. In fact declawing has been
outlawed some years ago, thank goodness!

But in the States things would appear to be different, many people do
not seem to know what they are doing to their beloved animal! In the
case of Cam, seems to me he does love his cat, since he posted his
concern here. So he was probably uninformed, which is bad but...

IT IS THE VET WHO IS THE REAL IDIOT!

Doing this when someone comes in with a cat without informing them of
the consequences is just horrible. Only in it for the money obviously,
any vet with love for animals would /never/ do this.

I took my kitty to a certain vet once and noticed he wasn't very nice
to the animal. Needless to say I didn't go there again, later I found
out this guy declawed when it was still legal. a.shole, I've been
planning to smash his windows or something.

Anyway back to the point I am trying to make: Us Europeans can't do
much about the situation in the States. But American kitty lovers,
please try educate your fellow citizens as much as you can.
Perhaps a thread 'Why declawing is really really bad' should be
available in all cat usenet groups at all time. Hopefully at least
/some/ cat owners will see the light before it is too late...

Still Sad...
Van Iperen - 16 Sep 2003 10:08 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
>----- Original Message -----
From: "Cam Boutin" <cjboutin@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.animals.cat
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 5:16 AM
Subject: De-clawed cat is still limping

> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Any advice.
> Thanks

Hello Cam,

When I first saw your question, I hesitated to react. I am no native speaker
of (American) English and thought that maybe I didn't understand the term
"de-clawing".
Now that I've read the reactions of other people and the information they
provided, I've concluded that I translated it very well so I've decided to
react on your message.

I'm struck with horror that you've desided to declaw your cat. It is on the
same level as cutting the vocal cords of dogs: this solution is the easy way
for the owner.
Offering the cat special surfaces to sharpen his/her claws (a pole, a mat)
and regular NORMAL clipping shoud have been enough to prevent most of the
damage to funiture etc.

I pity your cat.You took away one of it's basic forms of expression, (s)he
can not defend himself properly, can not get a grip on certain surfaces, nor
climb up to a look-out point and can not hunt on (fake) prey. If someone cut
off my fingers and toes, I would be very depressed too. Wouldn't you be?.

I fear that there is no solution to your cat's inactivity, because the
declawing can't be undone. However, you should consult your vet about the
limping. And PLEASE promise yourself never to declaw any other cat you might
take later on.

Marleene
emanuela - 17 Sep 2003 05:28 GMT
> I pity your cat.You took away one of it's basic forms of expression, (s)he
> can not defend himself properly, can not get a grip on certain surfaces, nor
> climb up to a look-out point and can not hunt on (fake) prey.

I would pity him!

The poor cat cannot do anymore what all cats do with their claws.

My cat has caused damage everywhere in my house, but things can be bought
again, and they are THINGS not BEINGS like your little friend.

I really do not understand.

Emanuela
Not Very - 17 Sep 2003 02:58 GMT

> Hi,
>
> My 3 yr old car was declawed about 2 monthes ago. Big problem with furniture
> and rugs.He jumps on and off  furniture is real cudley but used to run
> around basement and house before de-clawing. Now he just lays around sits on
> our lap is in-active and weighs 18lbs.

You are an evil person for having a cat de-clawed.  I hope you rot in hell.
The Great Kornholio - 21 Sep 2003 06:31 GMT
No, Cal or Clem or whatever his name is isn't an evil person. He is...

1) A person who does not know any better (he seems to care about his cat).
2) An ignorant person who had the sense that this was wrong but chose to kep
his head in the sand.
3) A man who really should post the name, town and phone # of his Vet (who
can't really hide behind #1 or#2 can he?)
4) Another very good troll in this ng (when will we learn?). This is my
vote.

Maybe old Caleb wrote this post through tears after realizing what a mistake
he'd made with his cat. He may very well deserve to rot in hell but I
suspect the vet will be in a worse level because he not only knows what
suffering he is inflicting but he does it solely for money (there is no
health benefit for the procedure so what other motive could there be for a
vet to do it?)

I knew an older woman who had her beloved cat declawed thinking it was sort
of a permanent or long-term nail trim. I want you to know that she suffered
immeasurably when she realized what she'd done to this cat. Nowadays there
are stil a few Clems left who don't know but I think it's on the vet. Cob is
probably just a troll but he maybe a dumbshit who cares about his cat and is
waking up to the situation.

The word "Alex" must appear in the subject line of emails sent to this
account or they are automatically deleted.
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Not Very
 Newsgroups: alt.animals.cat
 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:58 PM
 Subject: Re: De-clawed cat is still limping

 On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:16:08 -0400, "Cam Boutin" <cjboutin@hotmail.com>
wrote:

 > Hi,
 >
 > My 3 yr old car was declawed about 2 monthes ago. Big problem with
furniture
 > and rugs.He jumps on and off  furniture is real cudley but used to run
 > around basement and house before de-clawing. Now he just lays around
sits on
 > our lap is in-active and weighs 18lbs.

 You are an evil person for having a cat de-clawed.  I hope you rot in
hell.
Dionysus - 25 Sep 2003 01:48 GMT
Two things.

One, new people may not know how "horrific" declawing is.

But then there's another thing. We also spay and neuter animals, and that
ain't natural, either. So before you leap over someone who clipped their
kit's claws, consider whether or not the neutering of an animal could also
be categorized as "Cruel" - since the Supreme Court refused to accept
castration or neutering as a human punishment.

How is that different? I'm not asking as a troll,  but if you're arguing as
a complete subjective gut reaction, sure. Neutered cats live longer.
Declawed cats as well, since declawed cats usually don't go outside, and if
they do, they don't get into fights, get run over by cars, nasty infections
and die.

Modifying a cat's basic biology to make it a "better" pet is something we've
been doing ever since the idea of breeding cats for pets started. People
clip and dock dogs' tails, have radical surgery performed on their pet's
sexual organs, and give their pets hormone injections.

My point: (and for crying out loud, if you're already slathering at the
keyboard waiting to jump down my throat, take a cold shower or go vent your
frustrations in a violent video game, or do something other than prove the
world you can't engage in civilized discussion) is that by definition,
ANYTHING a human does to an animal to make it more useful as a pet is
technically cruel.

As for the declawed cat, I'd suggest a vet visit and some antibiotics.

For those of you who can't stop beating someone up verbally, using swear
words, and wishing the death and destruction of others throughout this
newsgroup - please note you're only another version of Bob Brenchly, the
alt.animals.cat DEFINITION of useless troll.
TUV - 25 Sep 2003 02:03 GMT
Since you have drawn comparison between human and animal castration, let me
ask you a question:
Do we, humans, walk around mating the first opposite sex available for
mating?
English is not my first language and I cannot express myself the way I want
to, but your comparison is out of sense.
I say: whoever is opposing  neutering of cats, he/she never had a full
relationship with a cat and doesn't - cannot - understand cats!

> Two things.
>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> newsgroup - please note you're only another version of Bob Brenchly, the
> alt.animals.cat DEFINITION of useless troll.
Dionysus - 25 Sep 2003 17:26 GMT
WHOA there tiger.

"A full relationship with a cat"?

Maybe you're just a little too close to yours, eh?

And the answer to your first question is:

Have you BEEN to a bar lately?

> Since you have drawn comparison between human and animal castration, let me
> ask you a question:
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> > newsgroup - please note you're only another version of Bob Brenchly, the
> > alt.animals.cat DEFINITION of useless troll.
 
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