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Cats Fat Belly - Any Ideas?

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db - 12 Jul 2005 15:17 GMT
My cat is approx. 16 years old, recently his belly has swollen up.
His stomach feels very hard, like he is backed up.

He is at the Vet now, for the 3rd day.  They performed an enema on him the
first day.
The 2nd day they drained liquid from him.  Today, they called and said he is
swollen up again.

They have no idea why.  They want to perform blood work on him to determine
whats causing it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
DB
Karen - 12 Jul 2005 15:53 GMT
I would ask for xrays at least. There are many reasons for fluid build up
and unfortuneately none of them good.  I hope you can get a diagnosis soon.

> My cat is approx. 16 years old, recently his belly has swollen up.
> His stomach feels very hard, like he is backed up.
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> Thanks
> DB
db - 12 Jul 2005 16:39 GMT
They have X-rayed him twice, but they still don't know what is causing it.

>I would ask for xrays at least. There are many reasons for fluid build up
> and unfortuneately none of them good.  I hope you can get a diagnosis
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>> Thanks
>> DB
Denise - 12 Jul 2005 16:06 GMT
What color and consistency was the fluid?

> My cat is approx. 16 years old, recently his belly has swollen up.
> His stomach feels very hard, like he is backed up.
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> Thanks
> DB
db - 12 Jul 2005 16:39 GMT
I dont know, I guess I can ask the Vet.

> What color and consistency was the fluid?
>
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>> Thanks
>> DB
Hopitus - 12 Jul 2005 16:43 GMT
Lab bloodwork ought to reveal a lot.

>I dont know, I guess I can ask the Vet.
>
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>>> Thanks
>>> DB
db - 12 Jul 2005 18:37 GMT
The lab bloodwork didnt reveal the cause.  They want to X-Ray him again (3rd
time), this time after they have
drained the fluid, to get an unobstructed view to see whats going on.

> Lab bloodwork ought to reveal a lot.
>
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>>>> Thanks
>>>> DB
Howard C. Berkowitz - 12 Jul 2005 21:27 GMT
> The lab bloodwork didnt reveal the cause.  They want to X-Ray him again
> (3rd
> time), this time after they have
> drained the fluid, to get an unobstructed view to see whats going on.

Again, I'd ask hard questions on why not ultrasound, with the fluid
present, rather than X-ray.  

Remember that X-ray basically shows what is blocked by hard objects like
bone, or, indeed foreign bodies in the stomach. It will show shadows of
the stomach, especially how it displaces the ribs.

Ultrasound actualy uses the fluids to form the image. CT (and, for that
matter, MRI) also can image soft tissue and fluid as well as bone.

> > Lab bloodwork ought to reveal a lot.
> >
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> >>>> DB
Howard C. Berkowitz - 12 Jul 2005 18:32 GMT
> My cat is approx. 16 years old, recently his belly has swollen up.
> His stomach feels very hard, like he is backed up.
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>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Blood work is indeed appropriate, probably starting with a Comprehensive
Metabolic Panel and a Complete Blood Count. An analysis of the fluid
drained is also important.

I'm bothered by repeat X-rays. X-rays only give a limited amount of
information about abdominal problems. He should have either ultrasound
or a CT scan. Ultrasound is relatively inexpensive.
Sharon too - 12 Jul 2005 21:13 GMT
Blood work, and ultrasound. I'd worry about a tumor that cannot be imaged on
x-ray.

-Sharon
Steph - 12 Jul 2005 22:14 GMT
You can also get the fluid cultured as well.  I'd be testing for FIP as well
as everyone else's suggestions.

> Blood work, and ultrasound. I'd worry about a tumor that cannot be imaged on
> x-ray.
>
> -Sharon
Howard C. Berkowitz - 12 Jul 2005 22:51 GMT
> You can also get the fluid cultured as well.  I'd be testing for FIP as
> well
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> >
> > -Sharon

Cytological studies of the fluid might be informative, and an endoscopy
could be in his future. I'm mystified by the emphasis on X-rays.
Jo Firey - 12 Jul 2005 22:54 GMT
> In article <6vydnS2Dw6fArknfRVn-og@rogers.com>, "Steph"
>>
> Cytological studies of the fluid might be informative, and an endoscopy
> could be in his future. I'm mystified by the emphasis on X-rays.

When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail?

All I can figure.

Jo
griffin - 13 Jul 2005 00:07 GMT
> My cat is approx. 16 years old, recently his belly has swollen up.
> His stomach feels very hard, like he is backed up.

Sounds like my poor cat, ET. His turned out to be edema. He was diagnosed with
FIP.
I truly hope your cat doesn't have FIP.

griffin
db - 13 Jul 2005 14:11 GMT
The blood work didnt turn anything up - He is healthy in that regard.  The
X-Ray showed a softball size mass inside his abdomen.
Someone had asked what the color the liquid was that they drained from him -
it was tea color.

They said there are specialists that could attempt to remove the growth, but
it sounded pretty risky.

This is a bummer.
Mary - 13 Jul 2005 15:22 GMT
> The blood work didnt turn anything up - He is healthy in that regard.  The
> X-Ray showed a softball size mass inside his abdomen.
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>
> This is a bummer.

I'n so sorry.
Christina Websell - 13 Jul 2005 15:35 GMT
> The blood work didnt turn anything up - He is healthy in that regard.  The
> X-Ray showed a softball size mass inside his abdomen.
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>
> This is a bummer.

I didn't post before because I didn't want to say that fluid where it
shouldn't be is often caused by a tumour.
Purrs that you decide whatever is best for you both.  I'm so sorry it isn't
better news.  You might like to get a second opinion at another vet surgery
who can provide an ultrasound scan before you make your decision as to what
to do.

Tweed  <-- been there recently myself
Howard C. Berkowitz - 13 Jul 2005 17:01 GMT
> > The blood work didnt turn anything up - He is healthy in that regard.  
> > The
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> Tweed  <-- been there recently myself

Agreed. Diagnosis is imperative, and it's not clear your vet is up to
it. X-ray simply will not show more than a shape, but ultrasound and CT
can give much better information.

When my Clifford (RB) was showing some symptoms in the stomach, we
diagnosed it with something less invasive than surgery:  endoscopy.  In
this procedure, under general anesthesia, a tube is passed from the
mouth into the stomach.  This tube is equipped with a fiber optics
viewing system, so they can actually look at the mass. Further, they can
get a biopsy of it, which usually will need to be sent out to a special
lab.

In Clifford's case, what had been feared to be lymphoma turned out to be
a simple inflammation, treatable by medication.  I don't want to give
false home -- you may be lucky as we were, but, as Tweed says, it may
well be a tumor.

Further, if it is a tumor, it's not necessarily cancerous. The biopsy is
essential to tell.

May I ask where you are geographically?  It really seems like you need
to go to a veterinary referral center.

Good luck to both of you. I know how worried you must be.
db - 13 Jul 2005 19:24 GMT
Howard,

Thanks for your input.  I am located right outside Fort Worth, TX.

>> > The blood work didnt turn anything up - He is healthy in that regard.
>> > The
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> Good luck to both of you. I know how worried you must be.
Howard C. Berkowitz - 13 Jul 2005 21:50 GMT
> Howard,
>
> Thanks for your input.  I am located right outside Fort Worth, TX.

Here are some possibilities.  Dr. Kevin Hahn is one of the best-known
veterinary oncologists, with a website at
http://www.gcvs.com/oncology/pwc/index.htm  At one point, he would give
some advice by email.  It might be a good idea to get a DFW
recommendation from him.

I did find a reputable listing for:
 Dr. Cheryl Harris
 Veterinary Oncology & Internal Medicine Clinic
 Dallas
 972-431-9499
but don't have any direct knowledge.

These may be more in human medicine, but another diagnostic technique
that is minimally invasive is an ultrasound-guided needle biopsy of the
tumor.

I'm not saying it is or is not cancerous. Indeed, it might not even be a
true tumor, but a cyst -- which would be a good thing.  There is, I'm
afraid, a fair chance it is cancerous, and one of the more common
abdominal tumors is lymphoma. There are some treatments.

With my own Clifford (RB), who had bladder cancer, there were some
supportive measures that improved his comfort, and had some effect on
the tumor, while we were trying to get him in condition for
chemotherapy. I suspect that this type of therapy, using prednisone and
a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory agent, might help.

> >> > The blood work didnt turn anything up - He is healthy in that
> >> > regard.
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> > Good luck to both of you. I know how worried you must be.
Karen - 13 Jul 2005 15:39 GMT
I'm sorry to hear it. But going in would be the choice I would make too. If
they *can* remove it he has a good chance, if they cannot, well he is
already asleep. I will send good thoughts your way hoping it is the type of
mass they can also remove.

> The blood work didnt turn anything up - He is healthy in that regard.  The
> X-Ray showed a softball size mass inside his abdomen.
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>
> This is a bummer.
Sharon - 13 Jul 2005 17:39 GMT
> The blood work didnt turn anything up - He is healthy in that regard.  The
> X-Ray showed a softball size mass inside his abdomen.
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> They said there are specialists that could attempt to remove the growth,
> but it sounded pretty risky.

Without further diagnostics, it's hard to say whether or not the abnormality
can be removed. Ultrasound would certainly be an option. A cyst or tumor
could at least be verified with exploratory surgery. With normal blood work,
it sounds as if anesthesia could be tolerated at least for a quick look-see.
Best of luck.

-Sharon
 
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