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Jack Sandweiss - 16 Mar 2005 08:46 GMT
Casey is a 6 year old domestic shorthair, and about 3 weeks ago, began using
the litter box 10-15 times a day to pee (sometimes a very small amount and
with some effort). She exhibits NO pain behavior, and, when not in the
litter box, and is COMPLETELY normal and playful in EVERY other way.

We took her to a new vet because we have just moved our of state, and we
were able to get a urine sample, as the vet said her bladder was tiny. We
could easily see blood in our sample and my wife and I are medically wise
(when it comes to humans). Yes, there was blood in her urine, and she was
given a shot of ampicillin, and an Rx for an antibiotic called
something-like Cifoxidil (but it was a suspension and we delivered it orally
2.5ml with a  dropper). I accidently threw out the box without writing down
the name--sorry)

We medicated her for a week, and there was no improvement.  There has never
been a change in her normal behavior. During that time we changed her dry
food, disallowed wet food, and fed her a dry Rx food to prevent crystal
formation as the vet said at her first visit that crystaline formation was a
possibility.

So, we took her back today and here is the vets summation:

She has a lot of blood in her urine (the vet described it as strawberry
lemonade), but is perfectly normal in every other way, ph, etc.. A quick
urinanalysis (UA) was normal, so it was sent for more quantitative assay and
we will know those results tomorrow.

She was also x-rayed and has a "suspicious" shadow in her bladder, but her
bowel loops around the  bladder (which is just the way she is built and is
normal), but it interfered with the x-ray interpretation and the x-ray was
sent to a radiologist, and we will have that report on Thurs.

The shadow can be a: an x-ray anomaly, stone, or tumor (we should know about
any tumor tomorrow, as the quantitative UA will look for tumor cells that
would slough off into her urine).

Does this sound like a normal course for a vet to take? Is there anything
obviously wrong with her attempt at a differential diagnosis? Are we being
"hustled" (we're from LA)?  And, does anyone have thoughts about Casey.

Thanks for reading this. Casey (and her littermate sister, Annie) have  had
us for their staff after we got them from an orphanage. Annie, btw, ifs
fine.

Jack
Lynn - 16 Mar 2005 21:46 GMT
Hi Jack,
Sorry to hear your kitty is having so much trouble. Let me preface my
comments be saying that I am not a trained expert. I do, however, have a
great deal of personal experience in dealing with feline urinary tract
problems. Through a great deal of research and communication with a great
vet, we were able to solve my cat's serious urinary tract problems. Some
other regular posters (particularly Phil P) will likely respond with some
more in depth feedback.

First, it sounds as though your vet is (for the most part) following
established procedure to diagnose your cat's problem. The first step in
this process is usually to rule out UTI through urinalysis. Most vets start
with the chemical strips to check for blood, leukocytes, and other signs of
infection. These strips should not be used on their own as some of the
tests are not thought to be sufficiently reliable in cats. The second step
should be culture to determine the presence and type of bacteria. As you
know, not all antibiotics are effective in treating all infections. Knowing
what bacteria you are dealing with faciliates the prescription of the
appropriate antibiotic. Another step that your vet seems to have skipped is
microscopic urinalysis. Looking at the urine under the microscope will help
your vet to determine if crystals are present and if they are, what type.
From your comments, it seems as though your vet is not even certain if
crystals are present. To my knowledge it is dangerous to treat a cat for
crystals unless it is certain that crystals are present. The food that is
typically prescribed to treat one type of crystal can actually promote the
development of another equally troublesome or more troublesome type of
crystal. Struvite crystals were once thought to be most common and they
form most often in alkaline urine. As a result, some vets are quick to
prescribe an acidifiying dissolution diet to treat suspected crystals. This
is problematic because calcium oxalate stones, which are now almost as
common as struvites, form in acidic urine. If you overacidify the urine
oxalates could form. I am assuming the food that you said your vet
prescribed is a dissolution formula. Unless the vet is certain that the
crystals are present and that they are indeed struvite and not calcium
oxalate, I would be very leary about her recommendation of a dissolution
diet. It would be in your cat's best interests to determine the type of
crystals that are present, if any at all.

As far as the recommendation to switch to a dry food, many vets believe
that this is a bad move. One of the most important things to do when
treating a cat for urinary tract problems is to encourage the consumption
of as much water and fluids as possible. Consuming a lot of water makes the
cat urinate more frequently, flushing out bacteria and tiny crystals before
they have a change to grow and cause trouble. Also, increased fluid intake
promotes more dilute urine. This is desirable as bacteria and crystals
flourish in concentrated urine. All that said, it is desirable to feed wet
food of equal quality to increase fluid intake. Wet food has a very high
water content. The special foods to treat urinary tract problems come in
both wet and dry formulas. New research indicates that the wet food is more
effective in helping to treat urinary tract problems and prevent their
reoccurance. I highly recommend talking to your vet about getting the wet
food or seek another source (another clinic, online, etc.).

In response to your concern about the blood and straining not going away
after a week of treatment, I don't think you mentioned anything that was
prescribed to treat the inflamation and irriation of the bladder. The
antibiotics will treat the infection, but will not directly address the
problem of irritation. Your cat's bladder is irritated and inflamed (either
from crystals or infection etc.). Most vets will prescribe some medication
to treat this irritation. Some use amitriptolene (excuse the spelling)
which is an antidepressant but has anti-inflamatory properties. Others use
a steroid in injectable or pill form. (Incidentally, my cat was allergic to
the amitiptolene). Perhaps this is what is needed for your cat.

As for the x-rays, only time will tell what will show up. I hope it turns
out to be something easily treatable for your cat. I hope this information
helps. Please feel free to ask as many questions as you wish. There are
many people here who are willing to help. Best of luck.
Lynn
Jack Sandweiss - 17 Mar 2005 06:34 GMT
> Hi Jack,
Looking at the urine under the microscope will help
> your vet to determine if crystals are present and if they are, what type.

This was done, and some crystal formations were seen, which is why she was
put on a prescribed "dry" diet called "URINARY SO 30"

> As far as the recommendation to switch to a dry food, many vets believe
> that this is a bad move. One of the most important things to do when
> treating a cat for urinary tract problems is to encourage the consumption
> of as much water and fluids as possible.

We got her a "water fountain" today which she enjoys. She has always loved
to drink water.
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Lynn-

Thank you so much for your in depth and thoughtful response. We've taken her
to the vet today and here is an update:

Casey still has a lot of blood and bacteria in her urine, but the rest of
the UA is normal. No cells (a tumor marker) were found.

The radiologist report will be in tomorrow, but at this time, it seams like
an ugly urinary tract infection. Her crystals in her urine are getting
better. So, we are starting her on a 20 day regimen of an antibiotic (a
pill, once daily) called Baytril/22.7 mg.

Thanks again, and we both think that this vet is doing a careful
differential diagnosis. I'll let the group know how things go, and I still
welcome any comments.

Jack
Lynn - 17 Mar 2005 16:07 GMT
Hi Jack,
So glad to hear that things are progressing well with your kitty. Since
there is a lot of bacteria and blood in the urine, it is likely that the
UTI is the problem. Many healthy cats have some crystals in their urine
without any problems.

Your cat's situation sounds a lot like my cat's. He struggled with three
urinary blockages in three months (despite all of the appropriate care)
until we got aggressive in treating the infection. UTI in cats can be
tricky to resolve *completely*. The only thing that finally worked for us
was keeping him on a longer term antibiotic (for one full month) even after
the symptoms subsided. After two disappointing relapses we wanted to make
sure that there was no trace of infection remaining. Also, something was
needed to resolve the irritation and blood. Two weeks of oral prednisone
worked for us. These things along with switching to all wet food,
encouraging drinking, and giving him 250 mg of cranberry extract once daily
seems to have finally resolved our problem completely. The cranberry
extract is great - it keeps bacteria from adhering to the bladder wall and
subsequently discourages infection.

Great news that there is no evidence of a tumor. Hope kitty feels better
soon. Please keep us updated. Purrs for a speedy recovery!
Lynn
Jack Sandweiss - 17 Mar 2005 20:50 GMT
Lynn-

Once again, thank you for your kind and supportive reply. BOTH cats love the
water fountain, but we would like to search for a fountain with a more
silent MOTOR, if anyone has any suggestions, but I will start a search.
We gave Casey her first "beef flavored" antibiotic pill last night. She got
away with the pill in her mouth, but then swallowed it, so we're hopefull.
One down and nineteen to go.

We will ask the vet about cranberry extract, and thanks for the tip. This
remains the friendliest Usenet group on the net.

Jack

> Hi Jack,
> So glad to hear that things are progressing well with your kitty. Since
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