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Blood in urine opinions sought
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Jack Sandweiss - 16 Mar 2005 08:46 GMT Casey is a 6 year old domestic shorthair, and about 3 weeks ago, began using the litter box 10-15 times a day to pee (sometimes a very small amount and with some effort). She exhibits NO pain behavior, and, when not in the litter box, and is COMPLETELY normal and playful in EVERY other way.
We took her to a new vet because we have just moved our of state, and we were able to get a urine sample, as the vet said her bladder was tiny. We could easily see blood in our sample and my wife and I are medically wise (when it comes to humans). Yes, there was blood in her urine, and she was given a shot of ampicillin, and an Rx for an antibiotic called something-like Cifoxidil (but it was a suspension and we delivered it orally 2.5ml with a dropper). I accidently threw out the box without writing down the name--sorry)
We medicated her for a week, and there was no improvement. There has never been a change in her normal behavior. During that time we changed her dry food, disallowed wet food, and fed her a dry Rx food to prevent crystal formation as the vet said at her first visit that crystaline formation was a possibility.
So, we took her back today and here is the vets summation:
She has a lot of blood in her urine (the vet described it as strawberry lemonade), but is perfectly normal in every other way, ph, etc.. A quick urinanalysis (UA) was normal, so it was sent for more quantitative assay and we will know those results tomorrow.
She was also x-rayed and has a "suspicious" shadow in her bladder, but her bowel loops around the bladder (which is just the way she is built and is normal), but it interfered with the x-ray interpretation and the x-ray was sent to a radiologist, and we will have that report on Thurs.
The shadow can be a: an x-ray anomaly, stone, or tumor (we should know about any tumor tomorrow, as the quantitative UA will look for tumor cells that would slough off into her urine).
Does this sound like a normal course for a vet to take? Is there anything obviously wrong with her attempt at a differential diagnosis? Are we being "hustled" (we're from LA)? And, does anyone have thoughts about Casey.
Thanks for reading this. Casey (and her littermate sister, Annie) have had us for their staff after we got them from an orphanage. Annie, btw, ifs fine.
Jack
Lynn - 16 Mar 2005 21:46 GMT Hi Jack, Sorry to hear your kitty is having so much trouble. Let me preface my comments be saying that I am not a trained expert. I do, however, have a great deal of personal experience in dealing with feline urinary tract problems. Through a great deal of research and communication with a great vet, we were able to solve my cat's serious urinary tract problems. Some other regular posters (particularly Phil P) will likely respond with some more in depth feedback.
First, it sounds as though your vet is (for the most part) following established procedure to diagnose your cat's problem. The first step in this process is usually to rule out UTI through urinalysis. Most vets start with the chemical strips to check for blood, leukocytes, and other signs of infection. These strips should not be used on their own as some of the tests are not thought to be sufficiently reliable in cats. The second step should be culture to determine the presence and type of bacteria. As you know, not all antibiotics are effective in treating all infections. Knowing what bacteria you are dealing with faciliates the prescription of the appropriate antibiotic. Another step that your vet seems to have skipped is microscopic urinalysis. Looking at the urine under the microscope will help your vet to determine if crystals are present and if they are, what type. From your comments, it seems as though your vet is not even certain if crystals are present. To my knowledge it is dangerous to treat a cat for crystals unless it is certain that crystals are present. The food that is typically prescribed to treat one type of crystal can actually promote the development of another equally troublesome or more troublesome type of crystal. Struvite crystals were once thought to be most common and they form most often in alkaline urine. As a result, some vets are quick to prescribe an acidifiying dissolution diet to treat suspected crystals. This is problematic because calcium oxalate stones, which are now almost as common as struvites, form in acidic urine. If you overacidify the urine oxalates could form. I am assuming the food that you said your vet prescribed is a dissolution formula. Unless the vet is certain that the crystals are present and that they are indeed struvite and not calcium oxalate, I would be very leary about her recommendation of a dissolution diet. It would be in your cat's best interests to determine the type of crystals that are present, if any at all.
As far as the recommendation to switch to a dry food, many vets believe that this is a bad move. One of the most important things to do when treating a cat for urinary tract problems is to encourage the consumption of as much water and fluids as possible. Consuming a lot of water makes the cat urinate more frequently, flushing out bacteria and tiny crystals before they have a change to grow and cause trouble. Also, increased fluid intake promotes more dilute urine. This is desirable as bacteria and crystals flourish in concentrated urine. All that said, it is desirable to feed wet food of equal quality to increase fluid intake. Wet food has a very high water content. The special foods to treat urinary tract problems come in both wet and dry formulas. New research indicates that the wet food is more effective in helping to treat urinary tract problems and prevent their reoccurance. I highly recommend talking to your vet about getting the wet food or seek another source (another clinic, online, etc.).
In response to your concern about the blood and straining not going away after a week of treatment, I don't think you mentioned anything that was prescribed to treat the inflamation and irriation of the bladder. The antibiotics will treat the infection, but will not directly address the problem of irritation. Your cat's bladder is irritated and inflamed (either from crystals or infection etc.). Most vets will prescribe some medication to treat this irritation. Some use amitriptolene (excuse the spelling) which is an antidepressant but has anti-inflamatory properties. Others use a steroid in injectable or pill form. (Incidentally, my cat was allergic to the amitiptolene). Perhaps this is what is needed for your cat.
As for the x-rays, only time will tell what will show up. I hope it turns out to be something easily treatable for your cat. I hope this information helps. Please feel free to ask as many questions as you wish. There are many people here who are willing to help. Best of luck. Lynn
Jack Sandweiss - 17 Mar 2005 06:34 GMT > Hi Jack, Looking at the urine under the microscope will help
> your vet to determine if crystals are present and if they are, what type. This was done, and some crystal formations were seen, which is why she was put on a prescribed "dry" diet called "URINARY SO 30"
> As far as the recommendation to switch to a dry food, many vets believe > that this is a bad move. One of the most important things to do when > treating a cat for urinary tract problems is to encourage the consumption > of as much water and fluids as possible. We got her a "water fountain" today which she enjoys. She has always loved to drink water. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- Lynn-
Thank you so much for your in depth and thoughtful response. We've taken her to the vet today and here is an update:
Casey still has a lot of blood and bacteria in her urine, but the rest of the UA is normal. No cells (a tumor marker) were found.
The radiologist report will be in tomorrow, but at this time, it seams like an ugly urinary tract infection. Her crystals in her urine are getting better. So, we are starting her on a 20 day regimen of an antibiotic (a pill, once daily) called Baytril/22.7 mg.
Thanks again, and we both think that this vet is doing a careful differential diagnosis. I'll let the group know how things go, and I still welcome any comments.
Jack
Lynn - 17 Mar 2005 16:07 GMT Hi Jack, So glad to hear that things are progressing well with your kitty. Since there is a lot of bacteria and blood in the urine, it is likely that the UTI is the problem. Many healthy cats have some crystals in their urine without any problems.
Your cat's situation sounds a lot like my cat's. He struggled with three urinary blockages in three months (despite all of the appropriate care) until we got aggressive in treating the infection. UTI in cats can be tricky to resolve *completely*. The only thing that finally worked for us was keeping him on a longer term antibiotic (for one full month) even after the symptoms subsided. After two disappointing relapses we wanted to make sure that there was no trace of infection remaining. Also, something was needed to resolve the irritation and blood. Two weeks of oral prednisone worked for us. These things along with switching to all wet food, encouraging drinking, and giving him 250 mg of cranberry extract once daily seems to have finally resolved our problem completely. The cranberry extract is great - it keeps bacteria from adhering to the bladder wall and subsequently discourages infection.
Great news that there is no evidence of a tumor. Hope kitty feels better soon. Please keep us updated. Purrs for a speedy recovery! Lynn
Jack Sandweiss - 17 Mar 2005 20:50 GMT Lynn-
Once again, thank you for your kind and supportive reply. BOTH cats love the water fountain, but we would like to search for a fountain with a more silent MOTOR, if anyone has any suggestions, but I will start a search. We gave Casey her first "beef flavored" antibiotic pill last night. She got away with the pill in her mouth, but then swallowed it, so we're hopefull. One down and nineteen to go.
We will ask the vet about cranberry extract, and thanks for the tip. This remains the friendliest Usenet group on the net.
Jack
> Hi Jack, > So glad to hear that things are progressing well with your kitty. Since [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com
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