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Lothar of the Hill People - 25 Feb 2005 03:32 GMT
Hello everyone,

I am not really sure if this is the best newsgroup to post this
question since this is the first time I have come here.  I am
cross-posting this to alt.cats, rec.pets.cats, alt.pets.cats, and
alt.animals.cat as a start.  Please let me know if there are any
others that you think would be helpful, or more appropriate...

I am looking for a new pet kitten.  I am a single male who lives alone
(no other pets or children), and am looking for the companionship of
an affectionate cat.  I am looking for an indoor cat, preferably a
purebreed (if only so that I can be reasonably assured of its likely
behavioral characteristics and hardiness), and am trying to determine
which breed would be best for my personality and lifestyle.  Here are
the factors that I consider the most important in my search, in
roughly descending order of importance:

1) Docility: I want a cat that will not mind being petted at any time
and for which I don't have to worry about it scratching or biting me
if (s)he is not in the mood.  I also don't want to be scratched when I
have to pick the cat up to put it into a carrier to take it to the
vet.  I do NOT intend to have my cat declawed.

2) Affectionateness: I want a cat that will be very affectionate
toward its owner, but does not mind being left alone and does not
*need* constant affection throughout the day.  I don't mind being
followed from room to room, but also don't want to be tripping over it
everywhere I walk and having it meow anytime it is not being petted.

3) Independence: I do not tend to be away from home for long periods
of time, but do want a cat that I can leave alone for several hours,
or overnight (with adequate food and water of course) without it
becoming too worrisome about being by itself.

4) Activity level: Fairly low.  Since this will be an exclusively
indoor cat, I want one that will not need high levels of exercise to
prevent becoming obese, and that is not likely to bounce around on
furniture knocking things over.

5) Healthiness/Hardiness:  I definitely want a cat that is not
especially prone to any disease, and which tends to have hardy
bloodlines.

6) Need for grooming:  Low.  I don't have a strong preference for a
shorthaired vs. a longhaired breed, but am somewhat more inclined
toward a shorthaired breed because I tend to think of them as less
inclined to shed all over the furniture (I know this is not a hard
rule).  I do not mind occasional (perhaps weekly) combings or
brushings, or twice-yearly shedding bouts, but do not want to be
constantly cleaning fur from my furniture  and clothes.

5) Playfulness: No strong preference.  I would like to be able to play
with my cat with cat toys, but don't want a cat that requires constant
playtime.

6) Intelligence: I am interested in a cat that can learn its own name,
will come when called, and can be easily taught to stop mischievous
activities.

7) Appearance: I want a cat breed that is not especially exotic
looking... I prefer a tailed breed with an average body shape (not too
squat or too bony), with typical erect ears.  I have a very strong
inclination toward blue-haired cats, but would consider other
colors/patterns.

8) Vocality:  I don't have much of a preference here.  I would
definitely prefer a cat that does not constantly meow loudly, but
would not mind a cat that occasionally vocalizes to let me know where
it is or that it needs something important (like to be released from a
room  that it is inadvertently locked inside).  So, on the quiet side
would be my preference.

9) Availability: I live in the U.S.  I don't want to have to be on a
waiting list for too many months for a rare breed.

Currently two top breeds on my list of considerations are the
Chartreux and the British Shorthair.  I am not sure about their
availability in the U.S. though (I have spoken to two breeders who
said that their Chartreux have long waiting lists), and would welcome
any other suggestions.

Thanks very much.

Lothar
Gary Stone - 25 Feb 2005 05:09 GMT
> Hello everyone,
>
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>
> Lothar

Get a sloth. It would be just up your ally.

Stone
Diana - 25 Feb 2005 05:21 GMT
Gary Stone at Eh@ram.net wrote on2/25/05 12:11 AM:

> Get a sloth. It would be just up your ally.
>
> Stone

Stone, you devil! :)  I just gave the man a nice, decent reply, and then I
see this.  Plus, don't you think a sloth might smell bad, or shed or
something? Jeez! But thanks for the laugh!
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Gary Stone - 25 Feb 2005 06:44 GMT
> Gary Stone at Eh@ram.net wrote on2/25/05 12:11 AM:
>
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> see this.  Plus, don't you think a sloth might smell bad, or shed or
> something? Jeez! But thanks for the laugh!

Oh good, I read it afterwards and had hoped it would be taken in jest as it
was meant to be. Aside form the smell I think the worst part would be
timming their nails. The man knows what he wants. I just walked into the
shelter and took the only two adults they had which happened to be short
hairs and female. They fought it out in the box on the way home and they've
been pals ever since. Me? how did I fit in? Well, I had to be quick with a
spoon and handy with a scoop to worm my way into their little hearts. Glad
you got the humor.

Stone
Diana - 25 Feb 2005 05:15 GMT
Lothar of the Hill People at nospam@willreachme.com wrote on2/24/05 10:35
PM:

> Hello everyone,
>
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>
> Lothar

A couple more breeds that might work out nicely for you are Scottish Fold
(one without the characteristic folded ears, which actually is an option)
and Rag Doll.    

But, if you don't mind some wee suggestions:  Any cat you get will likely be
smart and trainable to do many things with proper patience and technique,
and will probably love you and make a wonderful companion.  But maybe
lighten up a bit on expecting a cat to come ready made to your specs.  For
instance, I guarantee that any cat will get into mischief from time to time.
(Gotta love 'em!) And  most of them hate going to the vet, and you'll
probably get the occasional minor scratch from time to time, even if purely
by accident (kittens especially are prone to this).  And health, well, any
breed can get sick, especially if they've been healthy enough to reach a
ripe old age, and you want to know you can handle that, just in case.   Good
for you for wanting to do your homework and find a breed that appeals to
you, but  you also will need to do some accommodating to meet the needs of
the one you select.  They're all individuals.  And your local shelter could
have just the one for you.  Might take a peek at who you could have the
privilege of rescuing before you make up your mind to spend the big bucks.

Best of luck!    
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Lothar of the Hill People - 25 Feb 2005 05:56 GMT
>A couple more breeds that might work out nicely for you are Scottish Fold
>(one without the characteristic folded ears, which actually is an option)
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>
>Best of luck!    

Thanks very much for the advice, Diana.  After spelling out  all those
"requirements" on my list, I can see why some people might think that
I am very rigid in what I am looking for in a cat, and it might seem
like I am looking for nothing less than perfection.  That is not the
case at all, and I do realize that individuals within a breed will be
highly variable in personality traits.  My goal in selecting a
particular breed is to try to find a cat that is more likely than the
average shelter cat to fit my personality and the physical
characteristics I admire in certain cats, and though I am not rich, I
am more than willing to spend the money to that end.

As for Scottish Folds and Ragdolls, I am familiar with both of those
breeds and did consider them briefly.  I will give them a bit more
thought now that you have recommended them.

Thanks again for your advice!

Lothar
L. Ron Waddle - 25 Feb 2005 06:42 GMT
> Lothar of the Hill People at nospam@willreachme.com wrote on2/24/05 10:35
> PM:
>
>> Hello everyone,
[Long list of Perfect Cat description deleted]

> the one you select.  They're all individuals.  And your local shelter could
> have just the one for you.  Might take a peek at who you could have the
> privilege of rescuing before you make up your mind to spend the big bucks.

I adopted two cats from the shelter. They are very different cats, one
is friendly and outgoing and likes to talk to me and lead me around
the house (yes, he will actually rise up on his back legs and grab my
hand between his paws when he wants me to do something for him!) but
does not like to cuddle, the other is very shy but once he gets to
trust you likes to cuddle and sleep on your lap and purr for hours. I
love them both even though they are very different.  Who wants
"perfect", anyhow?

- Elron
Lothar of the Hill People - 25 Feb 2005 07:07 GMT
>Who wants"perfect", anyhow?

Not me :-)  I do want more than "random" though.  I just feel that
both me and the cat would be happier if I chose one that is at least
somewhat likely to be a good match for my personality and lifestyle,
based on the recognized traits of the breed.  I look at it sort of
like choosing a mate as a human--I would never randomly choose
somebody out of a crowd just because she had the right hair color or
length, or eye color; I'd much rather choose somebody who was more
compatible with my personality.  Unfortunately, you can't date cats
before you decide to live with them for the rest of your life (and we
are talking about a 15-20 year commitment here), so I have to use
other factors to make an informed decision.

Lothar
Diana - 25 Feb 2005 23:14 GMT
L. Ron Waddle at penguincathedral@yahoo.com wrote on2/25/05 1:42 AM:

>> Lothar of the Hill People at nospam@willreachme.com wrote on2/24/05 10:35
>> PM:
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>
> - Elron
"Elron."  What a great name.  I'm a major fan.  Oh, and glad you found such
special and individual cats, too!
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Victor Martinez - 25 Feb 2005 14:47 GMT
I highly recommend getting two male littermates of whatever breed you
end up choosing (I can't think of one breed that meets all your
criteria). Males because in my experience, males are more affectionate
than females. Two because they will keep each other company when you are
away, thus minimizing the risk of one getting into trouble due to being
bored.
I think you are asking the impossible though, with some things that are
mutually exclusive. For example, intelligent cats tend to be active and
they like to play a lot.

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Lothar of the Hill People - 25 Feb 2005 19:31 GMT
>I highly recommend getting two male littermates of whatever breed you
>end up choosing (I can't think of one breed that meets all your
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>mutually exclusive. For example, intelligent cats tend to be active and
>they like to play a lot.

Thanks for the helpful ideas, Victor.  Again, I am not looking for a
cat that has the exact combination of traits that I listed.  I just
want a breed that is the best possible fit to my personality and
lifestyle, and the traits I listed are the ones that are most
important to me, if I were to pick the "ideal" cat.  Chartreux
cats,from what I have read about them, would seem to be the ideal cat
for me, but I don't know if I will be able to get one with the waiting
lists being as long as they are.  So I'm looking into alternatives.

As for getting two cats, that will not be an option for me if I go
with two purebreeds--it will simply be too expensive for me for the
purchase and vet visits.  So I suppose I'll just have to take my
chances as to what mischief they will get into when I am away :-)  I
have in fact had pet cats in the past that did perfectly well alone.

Anyway, thanks again!
kitkat - 26 Feb 2005 05:50 GMT
> As for getting two cats, that will not be an option for me if I go
> with two purebreeds--it will simply be too expensive for me for the
> purchase and vet visits.  So I suppose I'll just have to take my
> chances as to what mischief they will get into when I am away :-)  I
> have in fact had pet cats in the past that did perfectly well alone.

Or...you can do a wonderful thing for animals...and adopt a pair of
littermates from a shelter. I'm not trying to lecture or be bitchy.
Honestly. But considering that thousands upon thousands of perfectly
healthy, wonderful kitties that would most definitely fit your
description are being killed all the time...won't you please consider
it?!!? Another thing you can do is look around and find breed rescue
groups and see if any of the breeds you are looking for have been
rescued and put into shelters. Too often, people spend tons of money on
a cat of a particular breed...only to find out that the cat wasnt quite
what they expected...and then that cat ends up at the shelter like any
other unwanted cat. So sad. But it could be a way for you to combine
your desire for a particular breed and rescuing! Luna, my first cat,
came from the shelter...and she was the best $55 I EVER spent! When I
look at her I think...what a freakin bargain! :)

Think about it. Rescuing cats rules!
Pam
wester@laway.net - 25 Feb 2005 23:47 GMT
>Hello everyone,
>
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>alt.animals.cat as a start.  Please let me know if there are any
>others that you think would be helpful, or more appropriate...

I vote for a shelter cat. They need homes badly. I think you should
check out the kitten selection from your local Pet Rescue or shelter
and see if you can't find one you like. OTOH, when you visit, you may
be selected. I know too many people this has happened to.

Please consider it. My two are both strays who selected me. My big boy
(a tuxedo) is as loving and mellow as can be, and my little girl
mackerel tabby, while not so terribly affectionate (unless she wants
to be) is quite the little devil. There's never a dull moment with
Fray D!

But I do hope you find one (or more) that will enrich your life. Cats
are wonderful animals.
chrisoakey@msn.com - 26 Feb 2005 15:18 GMT
Is there such a thing as a perfect cat?
Ivor Jones - 26 Feb 2005 15:50 GMT
> Is there such a thing as a perfect cat?

All cats are perfect :-)

Ivor
kitkat - 26 Feb 2005 15:56 GMT
>>Is there such a thing as a perfect cat?
>
> All cats are perfect :-)
>
> Ivor

*Especially* ones who are saved from being put down for no other reason
than a lack of a home!!!!

:)
Pam
Ivor Jones - 26 Feb 2005 16:48 GMT
>>> Is there such a thing as a perfect cat?
>>
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> :)
> Pam

Too true. Here in the UK we don't do that at all, at least not to my
knowledge. All the shelters run by the charity I volunteer for
(www.cats.org.uk) are no-kill. We look after cats for as long as it takes
:-)

Ivor
kitkat - 26 Feb 2005 17:20 GMT
>>>>Is there such a thing as a perfect cat?
>>>
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>
> Ivor

I like the website and I think it is fabulous that in the UK you don't
seem to have the overpopulation problem that we do...or at least that
you seem to have it under control. :) I still hope you might consider a
shelter cat anyway. The thought of those little guys having to live
their lives in a shelter is not so pleasant either. Regardless, thanks
for the work that you do to help my favorite furry creatures.

Pam
Ivor Jones - 26 Feb 2005 20:03 GMT
>>>>> Is there such a thing as a perfect cat?
>>>>
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> favorite furry creatures.
> Pam

My Missy was adopted from my local CP shelter, that's why I volunteer
there :-)

Some (2 years out of date, must put some more on..!) pictures of her at
www.g6urp.co.uk/missys_page.htm

Ivor
kitkat - 26 Feb 2005 20:51 GMT
>>>>>>Is there such a thing as a perfect cat?
>>>>>
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>
> Ivor

She is adorable!!! :)
chrisoakey@msn.com - 27 Feb 2005 08:21 GMT
Shadow Walker - 26 Feb 2005 16:00 GMT
That's a big order. Want extra fries with that. lol How about an apple pie.
Joking.

   There are many breeds that could fit what you want, with time and
patience. There are many breeds that match the personality traits you
requested Maine Coon and the Russian Blue are two of my favorites. Maybe
I'm, wrong but they both act like dogs.

   Main coon are big, hardy, hairy though, gentle pretty much what you want
if you want a people cat.

   Russian Blue is the color you like and are very gentle people cats that
are smart and dog like.

   All cats shed year round. I have three cats and never have I seen them
just shed twice a year like a dog. there is stuff you can add to their food
to help slow down the shed. Invest in a lint brush/remover for you cloths.
As kittens they will look to play with anything I mean anything. Toys really
are a must at this stage. Then when they get closer to six months they kind
of start leaving the ground. Up high is wear they like to be. I have two
cats that don't care for up higher than my bed. But my youngest is in the
process of getting up on every counter, bookcase and the mantle. I have a
squirt bottle for her and squirt every time I catch her. She turns around
looking for the thing that wet her and only finds wet fur. She gets down and
forgets what she was doing up there. Don't spank a cat. They never forget it
and it will lead to them not trusting you.

> Hello everyone,
>
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>
> Lothar
Lothar of the Hill People - 26 Feb 2005 18:37 GMT
>    There are many breeds that could fit what you want, with time and
>patience. There are many breeds that match the personality traits you
>requested Maine Coon and the Russian Blue are two of my favorites. Maybe
>I'm, wrong but they both act like dogs.

Thanks, Shadow, I actually did consider both of those breeds.  From
what I have read, Maine Coon cats have high grooming needs, and that
doesn't appeal to me.  There's also something about their appearance
that doesn't appeal to me (too wild-looking).  Russian blues are a
breed that I am strongly considering, but I like the look of Chartreux
and British Shorthairs more.

What is becoming one of my most important deciding factors for a cat
breed right now is availability in the U.S..  I have contacted
breeders that have waiting lists over 100 people long!  And because I
know somebody here is going to respond with "Get a cat from a
shelter--there will be no waiting there," I'll simply repeat that I am
definitely going to be buying a purebreed, no matter how long I have
to wait for one.  I do greatly appreciate comments from people (like
you Shadow) who are helping me select one, and if anybody can give me
a sense for which breeds tend to be more commonly available, I would
appreciate that.

>    All cats shed year round. I have three cats and never have I seen them
>just shed twice a year like a dog.

A lot of cat breeds most certainly do have twice-yearly shedding
"blowouts."  I expect it has a lot to do with what kind of climate
they live in too--climates with large yearly temperature extremes
would probably be more likely to have pronounced shedding blowouts.

Thanks for the helpful comments about the lint brush and squirt
bottles.

Lothar
 
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