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Jules66 - 24 Nov 2004 06:40 GMT
Hi All,

After being 'adopted' by a pregnant stray, she had her 4 kittens last nite.
Just after some thoughts/web urls on the best time generally for the mother
to be seperated from the kittens so that i can give them to homes... I am
guessing 6-8 weeks?

Cheers,

Jules
Ashley - 24 Nov 2004 07:15 GMT
> Hi All,
>
> After being 'adopted' by a pregnant stray, she had her 4 kittens last
> nite. Just after some thoughts/web urls on the best time generally for the
> mother to be seperated from the kittens so that i can give them to
> homes... I am guessing 6-8 weeks?

That's certainly when she should be spayed, and she will have weaned them
around that time. Eight weeks is the very earliest you should be considering
separating them. Me, I'd leave it till 10, some would leave it till 12.

But I have to say, you're in for a treat, enjoying four kittens discovering
the world. My one experience of this (20 years ago) suggests you won't
actually *want* to find them a new home and will be very sad when they go.
Jules66 - 24 Nov 2004 09:42 GMT
Hiya,

We live in a townhouse and already have three housebound cats who seem to
enjoy running the house as well.  The only reason we took the cat is was
that the owners didnt care and she saw us as safety.
We will be desexing her in 10 weeks or so and even keeping her will push the
room in the townhouse so sadly i will need to find homes....

And thanks for the advice too.

Jules

>> Hi All,
>>
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> you won't actually *want* to find them a new home and will be very sad
> when they go.
Ashley - 24 Nov 2004 10:01 GMT
> Hiya,
>
> We live in a townhouse and already have three housebound cats who seem to
> enjoy running the house as well.

There's cats, and then there's kittens ... ;-)
Ashley - 24 Nov 2004 10:06 GMT
>> Hiya,
>>
>> We live in a townhouse and already have three housebound cats who seem to
>> enjoy running the house as well.
>
> There's cats, and then there's kittens ... ;-)

Oops, and what I should have said was 10 weeks till spaying is very late. As
soon as you are comfortable that the kittens can stay away from mum for 24
hours to give her time to get her wits about her and gather the strength to
bat them over the eyeballs every time they decide to try their luck for a
drink, that's the time to do it. I remember with Plato (the mum of the
kittens 20 years ago) I got her spayed at around 7 weeks, then simply kept
her in a room by herself for about 12 hours after she came home from the vet
(the kittens were mostly weaned by that stage). Once she and the kittens
were reintroduced she was strong enough to let them know they should be
finding food somewhere else, thank you very much.
Gee - 28 Nov 2004 04:20 GMT
> Oops, and what I should have said was 10 weeks till spaying is very late. As
> soon as you are comfortable that the kittens can stay away from mum for 24
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> were reintroduced she was strong enough to let them know they should be
> finding food somewhere else, thank you very much.

I dunno if I agree with that. Hysterectomy is a major operation and doing it
with kittens still trying to suckle and bugg her and ruff-play with her, can
be a bit too much for over-exhausted mum. She has just spent 4 months(2
before and 2 after birth) of giving half of her body to creating these
kittens, and no matter how natural,motherhood is highly exhausting on
mothers body. Owner MUST make sure mother is fed the best food affordable,
cos she definitely needs it.

Since the risk of mother getting pregnant soon after giving birth is great,
I suggest you keep mother indoors until kittens are gone, then give her a
week break, then do the op. Some say mother can stay pregnant as soon as the
kittens are weaned, but I wouldn;t risk it, cos nothing is 100%. But I'd
never let one of mine go through such a major op so soon after giving birth,
especially with kittens still around(Not that I'd let them get that far-mine
are all done.)

Using this chance to commend OP for taking and helping this mum to be. Im
sure you will do your best and find kittens a good home. Enjoy next 10
weeks. It goes too fast :)

Gee
Jess - 24 Nov 2004 21:54 GMT
>> Hiya,
>>
>> We live in a townhouse and already have three housebound cats who seem to
>> enjoy running the house as well.
>
>There's cats, and then there's kittens ... ;-)

My husband and I thought up a great business idea called Pile O'
Kittens, where you would pay say, $10 for 15 minutes in a room with
many many kittens to play with you. People would do it on their lunch
hour and go back to work all happy.

The problem with the plan was that once kittens stopped being kittens,
they'd have outlived their usefulness, cause a pile of CATS is only
enticing to batty old ladies whose kids never write to her. :)

Jess
M.C. Mullen - 24 Nov 2004 16:58 GMT
| Hi All,
|
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|
| Jules

No, 12 - 14 weeks, otherwise the little ones can develop psychological
problems..

Carola
Dana Nutter - 27 Jan 2005 07:34 GMT
temu [Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:58:26 +0100] ["M.C. Mullen"
<mcmullen@freesurf.invalid.ch>] mi pis ra ...

> | Hi All,
> |
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>
> Carola

I did some reading a while back that mentioned that they
shouldn't be separated from their mothers for at least 3 months.
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Dana Nutter

SASXSEK RATIS.
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DaKitty - 25 Nov 2004 18:32 GMT
Well, even though you hear 8 weeks a lot, and pet stores do it, 12 weeks is
much better.
At 8 weeks it's like taking a 6 year old kid from it's mommy. at 12 weeks
they're more like older teenagers.
If you want better adjusted cat, wait till about 12 weeks.

> Hi All,
>
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>
> Jules
Stanley  Stempien - 26 Nov 2004 01:13 GMT
when the kittens stop breast feeding... then they are ready... might take a while.. I've allways heard 6 weeks... but I'd rater wait till they are ready...

If the kittens go away too fast... and they eat regular food... they might not be able to handle it and will develop stomach and intestinal problems... (I had my cat's sister die from this... I miss Sandy).  But Tyrone is doing just fine... I felt bad when he saw her die... But I didn't know... I waited the time they said at the vet, I took them both so they would never be alone... an autopse from the vet showed that was the problem...

I'm tearing... done with this one... Tyrone is on my lap...
Jules66 - 28 Nov 2004 06:21 GMT
forgot to add, sorry about your cat.  It is like losing one of the family no
matter how long you have a pet.

They bring so many years of happiness and the loss you feel is very painful
but yet the years you have them, you wouldnt have it any other way.

Slightly off topic, when my dog died a couple of years back i had him
cremated and put into an urn.  We didnt have a place that we were staying at
and i couldnt think of leaving him buried not to be thought of again... it
still gets to me....

Cheers,

Jules
> when the kittens stop breast feeding... then they are ready... might take
> a while.. I've allways heard 6 weeks... but I'd rater wait till they are
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>
> I'm tearing... done with this one... Tyrone is on my lap...
rpl - 26 Nov 2004 03:22 GMT
> Hi All,
>
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>
> Jules

10-12 weeks.  Some adoption-agencies will take them at as young as 6-8
weeks, but remember that they do things differently and that those
kittens are kept together.

pat
Bas - 27 Nov 2004 15:51 GMT
All about kittens,

Good Luck
http://www.geocities.com/turbo502002/index-en.html
Jules66 - 28 Nov 2004 06:13 GMT
Hi All,

Thanks for all the feedback.  Since mother cat isnt litterbox  trained.. She
attempts to use it, but then looks elsewhere.. So far that is the only
problem.  Kittens are doing well **touch wood** and only one sooks when
being picked up.  The others are doing well.

The links we most helpful and if anyone is in Melbourne Australia and
looking for a kitten in the new year drop me a line :)

Jules
> All about kittens,
>
> Good Luck
> http://www.geocities.com/turbo502002/index-en.html
Gee - 29 Nov 2004 03:06 GMT
> Hi All,
>
> Thanks for all the feedback.  Since mother cat isnt litterbox  trained.. She
> attempts to use it, but then looks elsewhere.. So far that is the only
> problem.

You can train her. Start with giving her litter type more close to what she
is used to outside. Try different type cat-litter: wood based, plain paper
or most likely plain send/ground, cos she may be used to that living outside
for so long. Also SHOW her how to do it. Gently of course, when you see she
wanna go, just hold her front paw and scratch the litter with her a few
times, she may get the message. Also Good thing to try is to catch some of
her pee, then place it on/in the litter, so she gets the message this is the
place for a wee. Even if its soiled paper just put it in the litter. And if
you cant catch any of hers, you could even try putting some of your own. I
know it sounds disgusting but Im talking of a tiny amount, just to give
litter the smell of ammonia.

If she does a wee at a place you don't want her to, clean the place
thoroughly with biological detergent, when dry with vinegar, again when dry
place some dry cat food on top of the area, or rub into carpet.Cats are
clean animals and generally don't wee and eat in the same area.

I dunno if anyone told you, but mum may from time to time decide to move
kittens to a different place(different room, under the table, in the
cupboard). They do it for a number of reasons we are still only guessing(too
many people/pets, too noisy, too drafty, too scary whateva), but if it
happens you can try and return them all to original allocated place, or you
could move the allocated place to her if possible :)

I hope you find good homes for the kittens.
Wishing you all the best
Gee
Jules66 - 29 Nov 2004 05:41 GMT
Thanks for that....  we have been lucky with the three indoor males we
have..allof them use the same litter....
It looks like she tries by herself as i can see scratchmarks in the litter
but then she find other areas in which to do her business... i have put in
half dirt/half litter to try and show her that they are the 'same' things
but yet to fully take.  i have put her in the tray when she has pee'd but
still she is a slow learner ;)

>> Hi All,
>>
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> Wishing you all the best
> Gee
Gee - 29 Nov 2004 15:13 GMT
> Thanks for that....  we have been lucky with the three indoor males we
> have..allof them use the same litter....

I am not clear if she is using the same litter as the boyz, but some cats
are fussy and will require her own tray, at least to start with.

> It looks like she tries by herself as i can see scratchmarks in the litter
> but then she find other areas in which to do her business...

Try putting the tray in those areas SHE chooses for a start. Also, what kind
of areas are they?What are they lined with? Is it paper? Carpet? vinyl? If
its paper, put the paper in the tray without the litter and let her get used
to doing it IN the tray, then slowly add a touch of litter so she gets the
feeling on her feet. Most cats  are very sensitive about their feet and for
example mine will not go on the wood based litter cos it jus feels
uncomfortable to them on their feet. You get my drift.

> i have put in
> half dirt/half litter to try and show her that they are the 'same' things
> but yet to fully take.

That's good, but perhaps try with 99% dirt, then add say 10-20% of litter
gradually, before you get to 50 50.Like you said it will take her time bless
her.

> i have put her in the tray when she has pee'd but still she is a slow
learner ;)

Try to put her int he tray when you see her get ready to pee rather then
when she's already done it. Dont yell at her if she decides not to go there
after all, but praize her heavily when you are putting her in the tray. She
must associatte tray with something nice.

Its really great of you to have taken her in and are helping her now. I hope
you are going to adopt her permanently cos stray cats tend appreciatte the
home more(and certanly the food) :)

I hope that your boyz are all castrated, cos if not they can impregnate her
again sooner then you think!

Best wishes
Gee
 
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