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GuineaPig - 01 Feb 2004 13:28 GMT
Hopefulyl someone will come up with some answers where I have come up short.

I have a few issues with several of my cats, and have come to my wits end.

Issue one: One Feral Kitty.

I have a cat who is about one year old, that no matter what we have done
from water guns shaking pennies, that he seems to beleive that we are his
slave and he is not to be held or petted on. When we approach him, he either
runs away or turns to growling. When picked up, he tolerates it for several
moments, and then goes to a close to barking noise, and bares calws turning
any unwary close person by into a shredding post. He was neutered very
young, and a few people have suggested that early neuters can cause issues
with hormone developement not being stopped. Please advise.

Issue Two: Urine Battles

Sorry for the vulgar setup, but it's the best I can think to describe it. We
have in total, four cats. Three male, one female, all with at least a years
difference in age. Our kitten whom is close to 8 - 9 months now, has finally
begun spraying, and urinating wherever he sees fit. However, to make matters
worse, our older cat has begun doing so as well. (older cat is 2 - 3 years
old, and has been neutered 9 months ago.) Is this just our older cat showing
dominance? And if so, will it be fixed when we have the youngin clipped?

Thanks,

Guinea Pig
Rebecca & Terry Jernigan - 02 Feb 2004 09:41 GMT
Dear Guinea Pig -I'd like to reply to issue #2 first. Your older male is
re-claiming his territory from the newer upstart by spraying. The sooner you
get the young male fixed the more likely he'll stop. But if the older male
continues very long, he'll continue even after the younger male is fixed.
You may always have a battle between these two who seem to want to assert
dominance in your household. But you may get lucky and the younger boy will
quit, and the older gent will no longer feel threatened. All cats should be
spayed or neutered by about 4 months of age if possible, before they ever
reach any kind of sexual maturity. It isn't harmful, in fact it's beneficial
by lowering their chances of getting breast or testicular cancer. Talk to
your vet, they may have some good ideas to help you with this problem. When
you do clean up where they spray, use something with an unpleasant smell
like lemon or ammonia, they won't be as quick to come back an use the same
spot.
Issue #1 - I don't know how old the cat was when you got it, but you said it
was a feral cat. It's not going to just become an indoor cat by coming
indoors. And all cats don't want to be handled. Some find it extremely
stressful. It sounds like this cat can take it for a minute or two but then
becomes completely stressed out. Try taking it at the cat's speed. It may
take months and even years for a cat to warm up, and it may never become a
lap cat. It may have had a really bad experience with a human. You just
never know what's in a cat's history. We have a cat who was feral. I found
her when she was about 6 months old. She was not at all friendly, but she
was desperate, so she allowed me to grab her (she was eating bread crumbs
with ducks by the river) and get her to the vet. That was bout 5 years ago.
She didn't want to be petted, let alone picked up. Never wanted to be in
your lap. She gradually warmed up till we could pet her, then she demanded
we pet her. She still doesn't like to be picked up, but will tolerate it if
we have to. She now sleeps with us in bed, touches her nose on our noses and
demands petting till she's satisfied. But most surprising, she's become our
"guest-greeting" cat. She greets everyone who comes over. Even goes so far
as getting in their laps for awhile. Demands attention, the whole bit. This
took a long time to evolve, but it is really worth it. We have 11 other cats
who can take up the lap-sitting slack if we need it, and you probably have
others who will as well. So just give it time, space, patience, and a whole
lot of love, and you may be amazed. Good luck, I hope this was helpful.

Bec

> Hopefulyl someone will come up with some answers where I have come up short.
>
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> Guinea Pig
GuineaPig - 03 Feb 2004 20:47 GMT
The "feral" (and I use that term cause it's only description I could think
of) cat was actually retreived from the shelter at the age of three - four
months and was neutered before we got him, at the shelter he was very lovey
dovey, and very affectionate. He purred and loved to be held, and petted on.
Even though we had the scent of some other 10 cats on us from the shelter he
was still okay. As soon as we brought him home and introduced him to our
older cat, he immidiately bristled up his tail and went into posturing. It
was as if he just doesn't like other cats. Though, for the most part we have
had to accept he's just a rather mean cat he every now and then will come up
to us and rub on us and let us pet him. During bath's, he'll even let me
hold while I scrub him and soap him up, my wife and I think he's just
"special" sometimes. The most puzzling part of the whole thing with our
feral cat, is that his eyes are always wide like he's afraid of something.
Though you're most likely right and it's just because he's a goober.

The nurse at the vet agrees for the most part. Though the odd part is that
when examined, only the youger one is spraying while the older one is just
piddling where the spray was. The vet thinks the likely hood of the cat
having UTI is very slim, though would like to look at him for a fee.. *Which
we don't have enough to have one fixed next month, and have one checked on.*
Though the vet told us to be sure, to examine his litter box habits and make
sure it's all good.
Rebecca & Terry Jernigan - 04 Feb 2004 09:10 GMT
Sorry I got your cats confused. The "feral" one probably just needs to be
left alone. He may just be a prickly cat, but it sounds likes he's
frightened too. Who knows what might have frightened him if he is. Could
have been anything. The way you said his eyes are always wide open. We have
one cat who we got at 6 weeks. She's nearly 3 years now. She was a barn cat.
She should have socialized with us, but never really has. She lets us pet
her sometimes, but if we need to pick her up to go to the vet, or clip her
claws it's a huge struggle, and she's terrified. She's better than she was,
but she's still a handful. I don't think she'll ever be "sweet", but then
she sleeps lying against me in bed some nights. It always surprises me. But
if I reach for her sometimes she'll just growl and scratch me, others times
tolerate it. I'm just trying to be patient. She's close with some of our
other cats so that's good. By the way, how often do you bathe your cat? I
seldom bathe any of mine, unless they need some kind of treatment. It's
quite stressful normally. And they'll keep themselves very clean.

With the litter boxes and spraying and/or peeing. You do use scoopable
litter, right? We couldn't possibly have a box for every cat either. We have
12 cats, and 7 boxes. My husband scoops them every day. We buy the 30 or 40#
bags of litter which are quite inexpensive here ($3.98 or something like
that) and don't add some everyday, so it lasts a couple weeks. But it makes
a difference. They love clean boxes. They follow him around and as soon as
he's done they use them. I don't know if it would help if you scooped
everyday, but didn't throw it all out each week. You shouldn't have to if
you do it more often.  I hope some of this is helpful. It's always hard
figuring out just what to do. Each cat has it's own peculiar reasons for
it's behavior, as do we.

Bec

> The "feral" (and I use that term cause it's only description I could think
> of) cat was actually retreived from the shelter at the age of three - four
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> Though the vet told us to be sure, to examine his litter box habits and make
> sure it's all good.
Nina S. - 02 Feb 2004 16:46 GMT
> Hopefulyl someone will come up with some answers where I have come up short.
>
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> young, and a few people have suggested that early neuters can cause issues
> with hormone developement not being stopped. Please advise.

Some cats are just not 'lap cats'. I have 6 cats, 5 male 1 female. One of
the males and the female don't care to be held at all. Tabitha likes to jump
on my lap when I'm sitting, or lay on top of me when I'm laying down, but
will not tolerate being picked up and held. Spot won't jump on laps, and
does not like to be held. However, he does like human contact. He loves to
be brushed and will allow a few minutes of scratching/petting. And, will
follow us from room to room. This is something we have come to live with and
to accept. Your cat may settle down a bit with age, and once he knows you
can be fully trusted.

> Issue Two: Urine Battles
>
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> old, and has been neutered 9 months ago.) Is this just our older cat showing
> dominance? And if so, will it be fixed when we have the youngin clipped?

Getting the young one neutered as soon as possible will certainly help. One
thing you don't mention is, litter boxes. How many do you have? Are they
kept clean? Where are they? Most people will tell you that the rule of thumb
is, one box per cat + one. Most cats are very finicky about their boxes. If
they aren't kept clean enough they will find alternatives. Also, you want
the boxes in quite, out of the way areas. But easily accessible to the cat.
One other reason for the spraying could be a UTI. Have you had the older cat
vet checked to rule this out? I wouldn't wait much longer to have the
neutering done and tests on the older cat. Once this becomes habit, it will
be difficult to break.
> Thanks,
>
> Guinea Pig

Best of luck........

Nina
GuineaPig - 03 Feb 2004 20:53 GMT
>  Some cats are just not 'lap cats'. I have 6 cats, 5 male 1 female. One of
> the males and the female don't care to be held at all. Tabitha likes to jump
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> to accept. Your cat may settle down a bit with age, and once he knows you
> can be fully trusted.

I would presume the same, but the odd thing is that this cat has been with
us since after wheening from the shelter, and has been with us over a full
year now! I would hope that the cat would come to know us by then. Though it
seems very non evident. We hope for the best though!

> Getting the young one neutered as soon as possible will certainly help. One
> thing you don't mention is, litter boxes. How many do you have? Are they
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>
> Nina

We have two seperate litter boxes, as it's all our small apartement really
will accomodate. Both are fairly close, with about two cat lengths distance
from one another. We've had the new cat for five months now, and this has
just become a recent occurance, so for the most part I'm sure it's not do to
restroom issues. Both boxes are kept fairly up to snuff with long lasting
odor control, and being scooped every 2 - 3 days and fully scrubbed and
restocked once a week. They are in out of the way areas as far as me and my
wife's habits are concerned, we very rarely frequent the hallway, and they
are actually blocked from view by a laundry basket. We used to have just one
box, and it was a litter made auto cleanign thing, but my wife sucked up the
cord in the vacuum, and I think I shorted the motor when cleaning it, so now
we;re on two manual boxes. However, it does seem like our eldest is getting
two big for the boxes, but we're not too sure what to do about that as we
already have close to 96 - 138 oz of litter per box normally, and anything
larger would require a new bag of litter every two weeks or so, and on our
income, that's just a bit too much.

Well thank you for your time!

GuineaPig
 
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