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Stacy Waldrip - 05 Feb 2004 23:25 GMT
I recently adopted a bobtail kitty from a lady who was getting a divorce and
needed a home for her cat. This is a beautiful bobtail that has a healthy
appetite, full of energy, and is a VERY affectionate lap cat.

I was rubbing her belly today (Yes! she lets me rub her belly) and I noticed
a small soft knot about the size and thickness of two nickles. She doesn't
mind me touching it and I don't think she even knows its there. It is right
in the center of her belly and I was wondering what it could be.

I noticed that one of my outdoor cats had something similar on her side a
couple of months ago but I checked it a couple of days later and couldn't
find it anymore.

I work with a local feral cat program and so I keep a colony of 14 outdoor
only cats and 4 indoor only cats. While I would love to take her to the vet
as my first choice, I none-the-less have to be very practical and frugal
and only use the vet in life-threatening situations that are not hopeless.

I would love your suggestions or experiences on what this knot could be. A
google search turned up nothing so I have turned to the great minds on this
news group.

Thanx,

Stacy
XMar - 05 Feb 2004 23:36 GMT
8-|

Perhaps you shouldnt have taken on a kitty you couldnt afford to take
care of.

> I recently adopted a bobtail kitty from a lady who was getting a divorce and
> needed a home for her cat

 While I would love to take her to the vet
> as my first choice, I none-the-less have to be very practical and frugal
> and only use the vet in life-threatening situations that are not hopeless.
Stacy Waldrip - 05 Feb 2004 23:55 GMT
> 8-|
>
> Perhaps you shouldn't have taken on a kitty you couldn't afford to take
> care of.

I spend most of my money on prevention. And all my cats get liquefied salmon
mixed with cat food and garlic. But even if I get sick I don't jump up and
run to the doctors office right away. I guess then since I can't take care
of myself with a western medicine mentality then I should just die! Do you
have any helpful info besides an a.shole remark?

{:-(
Nurse Crow - 06 Feb 2004 04:25 GMT
>Perhaps you shouldnt have taken on a kitty you couldnt afford to take
>care of.

...and perhaps YOU should learn not to judge people on insufficient
information. Politeness 101 wouldn't hurt either. ~Ed~
~Ed~
"If it doesn't hurt, I'm not doing you any good."
XMar - 06 Feb 2004 05:36 GMT
Perhaps you are projecting more onto my post then I ment?
It seems I triggered a reaction in you with my POV.
From your reply it sounds like a possibility you are guilty of the very
judgement which you have accused me of?

>>Perhaps you shouldnt have taken on a kitty you couldnt afford to take
>>care of.
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> ~Ed~
> "If it doesn't hurt, I'm not doing you any good."
Irony Alert - 06 Feb 2004 23:00 GMT
> 8-|
>
> Perhaps you shouldnt have taken on a kitty you couldnt afford to take
> care of.

Thank you, that was very helpful.
XMar - 06 Feb 2004 23:46 GMT
Seed germination. Always wise

>>8-|
>>
>>Perhaps you shouldnt have taken on a kitty you couldnt afford to take
>>care of.
>
> Thank you, that was very helpful.
~*Connie*~ - 06 Feb 2004 00:09 GMT
  Could it possibly be a spay scar?  Jack, my kitty, had a small lump on
his shoulder that I found a week ago.. turned out to be a cyst.  Looks like
franken-kitty at the moment, but at least I know he's in good health.

> I recently adopted a bobtail kitty from a lady who was getting a divorce and
> needed a home for her cat. This is a beautiful bobtail that has a healthy
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>
> Stacy
Stacy Waldrip - 06 Feb 2004 00:20 GMT
>    Could it possibly be a spay scar?  Jack, my kitty, had a small lump on
> his shoulder that I found a week ago.. turned out to be a cyst.  Looks
> like franken-kitty at the moment, but at least I know he's in good health.

Since I work with a feral cat program all of my cats get spayed or neutered.
I asked the previous owner when I accepted the cat if she had been fixed
and she hadn't. This is what I would have thought also because it is in
that same location. The owner said that she had had kittens before so I
know she isn't fixed yet.

Sorry to hear about Jack :-(  How did you find out it was a cyst? Was it
soft or hard? Was it from an injury? What advise were you given? Are cysts
common for cats?

Thanx for your response. AND give Jack a big kiss in the ear for me. GOD I
love cats! Hope he gets O.K.
QBall - 06 Feb 2004 00:38 GMT
Yes, it's a fur-matt/knot.
Usually happens to cats with fine fur.
Some cats get into the habit of tearing them out as the knot-hair dies.
Nothing to worry about - but you can get serated sided combs to saw away at
the knots.

> I recently adopted a bobtail kitty from a lady who was getting a divorce and
> needed a home for her cat. This is a beautiful bobtail that has a healthy
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>
> Stacy
Stacy Waldrip - 06 Feb 2004 00:46 GMT
> Yes, it's a fur-matt/knot.
> Usually happens to cats with fine fur.
> Some cats get into the habit of tearing them out as the knot-hair dies.
> Nothing to worry about - but you can get serated sided combs to saw away
> at the knots.

She does have fine fur but this is inside her body under her skin.
Nurse Crow - 06 Feb 2004 04:21 GMT
>> Yes, it's a fur-matt/knot.
>> Usually happens to cats with fine fur.
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>
>She does have fine fur but this is inside her body under her skin.

    Is the mass mobile? By this I mean, does the mass move around
if you work your fingers underneath it? Or does it seem to be rooted
to a single location as if to an internal organ? Does it seem to be
hard or soft when (gently!!!) squeezed? Does it hold it's shape or is
it more putty-like? How sensative is she to having the mass
manipulated? A mobile mass just under the skin that holds it's general
shape, and causes little or no pain to the cat when manipulated can be
several things but is most likely a benign cyst. If the mass appears
attatched internally, is variable in shape or size, or causes obvious
pain when manipulated, then it needs to be looked at by a vet. Perhaps
when you have her spayed, the vet might check it out for you, or even
remove it at no cost, given the work you do with ferals... never hurts
to ask! Good luck, and let us know if you find out more! ~Ed~
~Ed~
"If it doesn't hurt, I'm not doing you any good."
Stacy Waldrip - 06 Feb 2004 05:29 GMT
The mass is rooted to a single position in the center of her belly. It is
soft but it keeps its shape. I don't think she even knows its there becuase
she doesn't mind if I squeeze it. I will keep a check on it daily and my
vet dedicates one day out of each month to operate on strays so I think it
is O.K. to hold off until then. I was just hoping to get some confirmation
to ease my worries.

I will let you know what the vet says when she goes in for surgery in a
couple of weeks.

Thanks everyone for your help.

Stacy
Starlord - 06 Feb 2004 04:45 GMT
That is just a tiny bone that forms sometimes at the middle joint of the brest
bone. Is it a Bobtail or a Manx? I've had that show up once in a great while,
maybe 3 times in 20+ years of breeding Japanese Bobtails. I did take the first
kitten with it to the vets and he said it's not harmfull, that many times as the
cat gets older it fuses with the rest of the brest bone.

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> I recently adopted a bobtail kitty from a lady who was getting a divorce and
> needed a home for her cat. This is a beautiful bobtail that has a healthy
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>
> Stacy
Sunflower - 06 Feb 2004 05:17 GMT
> I recently adopted a bobtail kitty from a lady who was getting a divorce and
> needed a home for her cat. This is a beautiful bobtail that has a healthy
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>
> Stacy

This sounds very much like a hernia, or an abnormal opening in the abdominal
cavity where only the skin covers it.  If she is on her back and you can
push it back into the abdomen until it appears to not exist, then it's
reducable and easily fixed at the same time she's spayed.  If it's not
reducable, then a more complicated operation is needed and may involve
additional costs.  It MUST be fixed, as intestinal loops can get pushed
through that opening and become restricted. You need to take her in for her
shots anyway, so have the vet evaluate it at that time and let you know
which type of hernia it is.
Robert Greenwood - 06 Feb 2004 05:46 GMT
>I would love your suggestions or experiences on what this knot could be. A
>google search turned up nothing so I have turned to the great minds on this
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>
>Stacy

When I was a young child we had a cat that had on of those
on its stomach. We went on vacation and left it at a kennel
and when we got back were told the cat had cancer and died
while we were gone.
alphafemale - 06 Feb 2004 05:50 GMT
>I recently adopted a bobtail kitty ...
>I was rubbing her belly today (Yes! she lets me rub her belly) and I noticed
>a small soft knot about the size and thickness of two nickles. She doesn't
>mind me touching it and I don't think she even knows its there. It is right
>in the center of her belly and I was wondering what it could be.

>I would love your suggestions or experiences on what this knot could be. A
>google search turned up nothing so I have turned to the great minds on this
>news group.

if it is right over her navel, it could be an umbilical hernia.  if it
is, it is easily operated on and also rather inexpensive to fix.  if
left untreated, her intestine could become blocked.

i just took my cat in for a lump on his belly, and it turned out to be
a fatty tumor.  the vet said it was benign but worth watching for any
change.  

he also said that 75% of tumors in cats are malignant, so it would be
a good idea to take your new kitty in for an examination.

good luck, i hope it's nothing serious.

--alpha
richard<fullstop>horton - 06 Feb 2004 19:33 GMT
> I was rubbing her belly today (Yes! she lets me rub her belly) and I noticed
> a small soft knot about the size and thickness of two nickles. She doesn't
> mind me touching it and I don't think she even knows its there. It is right
> in the center of her belly and I was wondering what it could be.

Any chance of it being an umbilical hernia which has gone untreated?

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Stacy Waldrip - 06 Feb 2004 21:45 GMT
richard wrote:

> Any chance of it being an umbilical hernia which has gone untreated?

I think that is what it probably is. I will have the vet look at in a couple
of weeks when she goes in for spaying.
'cedes - 17 Feb 2004 08:01 GMT
Stacy, greetings from Bakersfield! I was also going to suggest that it is a
small hernia. This can be an easy fix when she is spayed. Give her a smooch
for me.

> richard wrote:
>
> > Any chance of it being an umbilical hernia which has gone untreated?
>
> I think that is what it probably is. I will have the vet look at in a couple
> of weeks when she goes in for spaying.
JoJo - 07 Feb 2004 02:45 GMT
It could be a hernia....name is esaping me at the moment, has to do with
their "belly button", doesn't hurt them, and easy for the vet to fix
(surgery).  If cat is not fixed they will generally fix the hernia at the
same time.  Keep an eye on it make sure it doesn't get bigger.  May want to
have vet check it out for peace of mind.
Jo
> I recently adopted a bobtail kitty from a lady who was getting a divorce and
> needed a home for her cat. This is a beautiful bobtail that has a healthy
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>
> Stacy
 
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