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Sonny J?rgensen - 25 Nov 2003 20:46 GMT Hey a question to all cat lovers
Do you think that it is bad for a cat to live most its live inside allthough it?s mostly an outside animal. We?ve got a cat that is 3 years old and she?s lived her whole live inside. We walk her about 5 to 6 times a day and she seems happy. We live in an apartment in an area that don?t allow free cats outside. What do you Think?
Rikke and sonny from Denmark
m. L. Briggs - 25 Nov 2003 23:29 GMT On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:46:35 +0100, "Sonny Jørgensen" <monsemand@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
>Hey >a question to all cat lovers [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Rikke and sonny from Denmark Perfect! She is safe and happy and probably will live a long, healthy life. MLB
Bob Brenchley. - 28 Nov 2003 21:23 GMT >On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:46:35 +0100, "Sonny Jørgensen" ><monsemand@mail.tele.dk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Perfect! She is safe and happy and probably will live a long, healthy >life. MLB You label yourself an animal abuser.
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Starlord - 01 Dec 2003 15:52 GMT Where I live in the High Mojave Desert, any outdoors cat becomes part of the food chain on the bottem side. I've always kept my cats indoors and they have been happy, they have food, litter, toys, and don't worry about becoming foor, or someone shooting at them, or cars/trucks running over them. Plus most my cats are Japanese Bobtails, I.E. Show Cats.
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> You label yourself an animal abuser. > > -- > Bob. Bob Brenchley. - 01 Dec 2003 22:47 GMT >Where I live in the High Mojave Desert, any outdoors cat becomes part of the >food chain on the bottem side. I've always kept my cats indoors and they have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Akumaizer Cattery >Oldest JBT cattery in USA. It is really simple. If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat.
To have a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being cruel, selfish, or both.
Now which applies in YOUR case?
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John Doe - 01 Dec 2003 22:25 GMT > You label yourself an animal abuser. Where do you get this crap from Bob?
You label yourself a troll with your asswipe responses.
Why don't you try being helpful for a change?
If you've got nothing useful to say, why bother replying?
You really are an a.shole!
Bob Brenchley. - 01 Dec 2003 22:51 GMT >> You label yourself an animal abuser. > >Where do you get this crap from Bob? What crap?
>You label yourself a troll with your asswipe responses. How come morons like you always get on to the subject of donkeys?
>Why don't you try being helpful for a change? I do, all the time.
>If you've got nothing useful to say, why bother replying? > >You really are an a.shole! See - donkeys again. Is this a sickness of yours?
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John Doe - 01 Dec 2003 23:29 GMT [...yet more sh.t]
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Bob Brenchley. - 02 Dec 2003 23:42 GMT >[...yet more sh.t] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >*PLONK* So you admit you have lost the argument.
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jim hinds - 26 Nov 2003 00:38 GMT Our two cats have lived inside all their lives (14 years ) and they are the happiest cats you could ever know. In the summer we let them out in the yard, under supervision. They sniff around for a short while and then want back in where it is safe.
"Sonny Jørgensen" wrote:
> Hey > a question to all cat lovers [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rikke and sonny from Denmark Bob Brenchley. - 28 Nov 2003 21:23 GMT >Our two cats have lived inside all their lives (14 years ) and they are the >happiest cats you could ever know. In the summer we let them out in the yard, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> Rikke and sonny from Denmark This from a top-posting moron.
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Bob Brenchley. - 01 Dec 2003 22:51 GMT >Welcome to Mr.Killfile Dipstick. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 11/21/03 Abuse Report Filed.
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John Doe - 01 Dec 2003 22:23 GMT > This from a top-posting moron. LOL. This from a trolling a.shole.
Bob Brenchley. - 01 Dec 2003 22:51 GMT >> This from a top-posting moron. > >LOL. This from a trolling a.shole. Yet again you get on to the subject of donkeys. Is there something you want to own up to?
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John Doe - 01 Dec 2003 23:25 GMT [snip more troll bullshit from bobby]
never mind dickhead, I now see why nobody else replies to you, you're obviously already in most people's killfiles due to your fuckwit mentality.
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J_Harmeson - 02 Dec 2003 00:59 GMT > [snip more troll bullshit from bobby] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > *PLONK* But why are you replying.
AceMan - 02 Dec 2003 01:15 GMT >> [snip more troll bullshit from bobby] >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >But why are you replying. But why can't you thread properly.
Idiot!
jim hinds - 26 Nov 2003 01:51 GMT Our two cats have lived inside all their lives (14 years ) and they are the happiest cats you could ever know. In the summer we let them out in the yard, under supervision. They sniff around for a short while and then want back in where it is safe.
"Sonny Jørgensen" wrote:
> Hey > a question to all cat lovers [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rikke and sonny from Denmark Bob Brenchley. - 28 Nov 2003 21:23 GMT On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:46:35 +0100, "Sonny Jørgensen" <monsemand@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
>Hey >a question to all cat lovers > >Do you think that it is bad for a cat to live most its live inside allthough >it´s mostly an outside animal. Very bad.
None of the UK's major shelters, nor most of the smaller ones that for various reasons affiliate with the big boys, will normally rehome a healthy cat to an indoor only environment.
>We´ve got a cat that is 3 years old and she´s lived her whole live inside. Poor thing.
>We walk her about 5 to 6 times a day and she seems happy. she is NOT a dog, do not try to treat her like one.
>We live in an apartment in an area that don´t allow free cats outside. >What do you Think? Sorry, but the best thing would be to find her a home where she can go outside for at least some time each day.
>Rikke and sonny from Denmark >  Signature Bob.
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jim hinds - 30 Nov 2003 03:06 GMT Gee Bob its so nice to see you know so much about cats and other people. I am sure the whole newsgroup loves to see your posting.
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:46:35 +0100, "Sonny Jørgensen" > <monsemand@mail.tele.dk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Anything on the ground is a cat toy. Anything not there yet, will be. Bob Brenchley. - 30 Nov 2003 10:20 GMT >> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:46:35 +0100, "Sonny Jørgensen" >> <monsemand@mail.tele.dk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> Sorry, but the best thing would be to find her a home where she can go >> outside for at least some time each day. Moronic posting style corrected. You have not been charged for this service but I reserve the right to charge in the future if you make the same mistake again.
>Gee Bob its so nice to see you know so much about cats and other people. I am >sure the whole newsgroup loves to see your posting. Having had cats for over 40 years, and become a local expert on cat care, I'm pleased to share the knowledge of correct cat care with any who need it.
Notice I say "need it".
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Anon - 01 Dec 2003 22:16 GMT > Having had cats for over 40 years, and become a local expert on cat > care, I'm pleased to share the knowledge of correct cat care with any > who need it. > > Notice I say "need it". ROFLMAO.
Don't make me laugh!!
You are hardly a cat expert you twit? A stupid troll yes, but an expert you most certainly are not.
Bob Brenchley. - 01 Dec 2003 22:51 GMT >> Having had cats for over 40 years, and become a local expert on cat >> care, I'm pleased to share the knowledge of correct cat care with any [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >You are hardly a cat expert you twit? Tell that to the cats around here.
> A stupid troll yes, but an expert >you most certainly are not.
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Anon - 01 Dec 2003 23:27 GMT [snip nothing of any value]
you truly are a fuckwit!!
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Bob Brenchley. - 02 Dec 2003 23:42 GMT >[snip nothing of any value] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >*PLONK* another loser bits the dust of defeat.
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Kalyahna - 30 Nov 2003 14:48 GMT > None of the UK's major shelters, nor most of the smaller ones that for > various reasons affiliate with the big boys, will normally rehome a > healthy cat to an indoor only environment. > Sorry, but the best thing would be to find her a home where she can go > outside for at least some time each day. > Bob. So what's your advice for those of us that live in an urban setting where it's illegal to leave a cat outside, off harness, for any length of time? I should buy a house with a fenced yard? Or is the fenced yard cruel, too? I should move out into the country so my girls can have free roam of vast acreage? I should give them to someone who has vast acreage on which they can roam?
Do tell.
Bob Brenchley. - 30 Nov 2003 18:28 GMT >> None of the UK's major shelters, nor most of the smaller ones that for >> various reasons affiliate with the big boys, will normally rehome a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >So what's your advice for those of us that live in an urban setting where >it's illegal to leave a cat outside, In my country, where we have one of the highest densities of both humans and cats, it is illegal to ill treat animals.
> off harness, for any length of time? I >should buy a house with a fenced yard? A cage is a gage - no matter how large you make it.
>Or is the fenced yard cruel, too? Yes, preventing a cat from having the freedom to roam and socialize with other cats is cruel. I
>should move out into the country so my girls can have free roam of vast >acreage? I live in a city, in fact most people in the UK do, and yet none of the UK's major shelters (nor most of the smaller ones for that mater) will normally rehome a healthy cat to an indoor only environment.
>I should give them to someone who has vast acreage on which they >can roam? If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat. To have a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being cruel, selfish, or both.
>Do tell. >  Signature Bob.
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Tim Bankerd - 01 Dec 2003 00:38 GMT [Snip]
>>I should give them to someone who has vast acreage on which they >>can roam? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >>Do tell. Bob, you are so full of sh.t. I've had cats all of my life also. A cat that is kept inside only will outlive any outdoor cat and be just as happy. I currently have 4 cats. They are just as happy as they can be. They are 12 years, 10 years, 2 years and 6 months. My Vet thinks it is cruel to let a cat outside. By doing so, you are taking away many years of it's life and exposing it to more risks and danger than any pet should have to be.
Get a life.
Tim
Bob Brenchley. - 01 Dec 2003 22:55 GMT >[Snip] >>>I should give them to someone who has vast acreage on which they [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >that is kept inside only will outlive any outdoor cat and be just as >happy. Liar.
You can provide proof of neither - and any animal expert will tell you how wrong you are.
> I currently have 4 cats. They are just as happy as they can be. Animal abusers, especially serial abusers like you, often delude themselves and ignore the suffering of their animals.
>They are 12 years, 10 years, 2 years and 6 months. My Vet thinks it is >cruel to let a cat outside. Then you vet disagrees with the majority of the worlds vets.
I'm glad to say that most people like you are rejected by animal shelters in the UK.
> By doing so, you are taking away many >years of it's life and exposing it to more risks and danger than any >pet should have to be. Liar!
>Get a life. It is you poor ill-treated and abused cats that need a life - one away for scum like you.
>Tim
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Tim Bankerd - 14 Dec 2003 04:21 GMT >>[Snip] >>>>I should give them to someone who has vast acreage on which they [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >You can provide proof of neither - and any animal expert will tell you >how wrong you are. As I said, you are so full of sh.t. Post a link to some shelters that do what you say.
You are a liar. All true experts will tell me exactly what I said.
>> I currently have 4 cats. They are just as happy as they can be. > >Animal abusers, especially serial abusers like you, often delude >themselves and ignore the suffering of their animals. And again more bullshit. All of my cats are very well cared for and have long happy lives. Their love and loyalty to me is obvious to anyone who knows me.
>>They are 12 years, 10 years, 2 years and 6 months. My Vet thinks it is >>cruel to let a cat outside. > >Then you vet disagrees with the majority of the worlds vets. Why, because you say so? You are really full of sh.t man.
>I'm glad to say that most people like you are rejected by animal >shelters in the UK. I think you're lying. Show your proof.
>> By doing so, you are taking away many >>years of it's life and exposing it to more risks and danger than any >>pet should have to be. > >Liar! No, you are the cruel one. If you want a wild cat then go get an exotic game licence and buy a lion. Maybe if we are all lucky, the cat will eat you.
No, on second thought, cats usually don't eat sh.t.
>>Get a life. > >It is you poor ill-treated and abused cats that need a life - one away >for scum like you. They have a wonderful life.
Your momma was scum to bring you into life a.shole.
>>Tim Bob Brenchley. - 14 Dec 2003 09:39 GMT >>>[Snip] >>>>>I should give them to someone who has vast acreage on which they [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >You are a liar. All true experts will tell me exactly what I said. You stupid animal abusing LIAR!!!
No animal expert agrees with you.
>>> I currently have 4 cats. They are just as happy as they can be. >> >>Animal abusers, especially serial abusers like you, often delude >>themselves and ignore the suffering of their animals. > >And again more bullshit. All of my cats are very well cared for and Liar! They are abused by a very sick and evil person - YOU.
>have long happy lives. Their love and loyalty to me is obvious to >anyone who knows me. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Why, because you say so? You are really full of sh.t man. At least I'm not a sick animal abuser like you.
>>I'm glad to say that most people like you are rejected by animal >>shelters in the UK. > >I think you're lying. Show your proof. The FACT is that none of the UK's major shelters, nor most of the smaller ones that for various reasons affiliate with the big boys, will normally rehome a healthy cat to an indoor only environment. This has been confirmed on numerous occasions by people who work at the grass roots level - actually finding homes for cats.
>>> By doing so, you are taking away many >>>years of it's life and exposing it to more risks and danger than any [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >No, you are the cruel one. Liar! But then what else do you expect from a sicko animal abuser like you.
>If you want a wild cat then go get an >exotic game licence and buy a lion. Maybe if we are all lucky, the cat [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Your momma was scum to bring you into life a.shole. Why is it that trolling animal abusing scum like you always have this fascination with donkeys? Is it part of your sickness arsehole?
>>>Tim
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AceMan - 14 Dec 2003 13:52 GMT <snip>
>>You can provide proof of neither - and any animal expert will tell you >>how wrong you are. >As I said, you are so full of sh.t. Post a link to some shelters that >do what you say. > >You are a liar. All true experts will tell me exactly what I said. Unfortunately, Bob NEVER provides any proof of anything he has to say. He is just a troll, ignore him. Better yet killfile him and you never have to listen to his crap at all.
>>>They are 12 years, 10 years, 2 years and 6 months. My Vet thinks it is >>>cruel to let a cat outside. >> >>Then you vet disagrees with the majority of the worlds vets. > >Why, because you say so? You are really full of sh.t man. Again, Bob continues to make these ridiculous claims without any kind of proof. He is just troll, ignore him (or better yet killfile).
>>I'm glad to say that most people like you are rejected by animal >>shelters in the UK. > >I think you're lying. Show your proof. Unfortunately, he can't. He is just a troll.
>>> By doing so, you are taking away many >>>years of it's life and exposing it to more risks and danger than any [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >No, on second thought, cats usually don't eat sh.t. ROFLMAO, well they do when they clean themselves so there is still hope for that :)
>>>Get a life. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Your momma was scum to bring you into life a.shole. Tim, Forget Bob, He is the biggest troll of this group. He cannot backup any of his trolling claims with any proof whatsoever and generally repeats the same crap over and over again without ever providing any evidence to backup his ridiculous bullshit.
He really isn't worth paying ANY attention to whatsoever.
Nina S. - 14 Dec 2003 17:30 GMT > >No, you are the cruel one. If you want a wild cat then go get an > >exotic game licence and buy a lion. Maybe if we are all lucky, the cat [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ROFLMAO, well they do when they clean themselves so there is still > hope for that :) Yes, there is hope.
> Tim, > Forget Bob, He is the biggest troll of this group. He cannot backup [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > He really isn't worth paying ANY attention to whatsoever. I second that.
Nina....One of many "cruel, abusive and selfish" cat owners.
AceMan - 14 Dec 2003 18:20 GMT >Nina....One of many "cruel, abusive and selfish" cat owners. LOL
:) Bob Brenchley. - 14 Dec 2003 22:23 GMT ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >He is just a troll, ignore him. Better yet killfile him and you never >have to listen to his crap at all. Stupid troll.
>>>>They are 12 years, 10 years, 2 years and 6 months. My Vet thinks it is >>>>cruel to let a cat outside. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Again, Bob continues to make these ridiculous claims without any kind >of proof. He is just troll, ignore him (or better yet killfile). Stupid troll.
>>>I'm glad to say that most people like you are rejected by animal >>>shelters in the UK. >> >>I think you're lying. Show your proof. > >Unfortunately, he can't. He is just a troll. Stupid troll.
>>>> By doing so, you are taking away many >>>>years of it's life and exposing it to more risks and danger than any [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Tim, >Forget Bob, He is the biggest troll of this group. Stupid troll.
> He cannot backup >any of his trolling claims with any proof whatsoever and generally >repeats the same crap over and over again without ever providing any >evidence to backup his ridiculous bullshit. Stupid troll
>He really isn't worth paying ANY attention to whatsoever. Now do shut up you stupid troll.
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Starlord - 01 Dec 2003 15:55 GMT No one ever said that the UK had any BRAINS.
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Bob Brenchley. - 01 Dec 2003 22:55 GMT >No one ever said that the UK had any BRAINS. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 11/21/03 Abuse Report Filed.
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John Doe - 01 Dec 2003 23:35 GMT > No one ever said that the UK had any BRAINS. Hey, that's not fair!
We're not all mentally retarded in the UK like bobby you know?
Anon - 01 Dec 2003 22:14 GMT > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:46:35 +0100, "Sonny Jørgensen" > <monsemand@mail.tele.dk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > >Rikke and sonny from Denmark Bob, why are you such an annoying twit? Almost everything I've seen you post is nothing but trolling bullshit.
Get a life will you?
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