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Cat Forum / General Topics / September 2006"Sterilization" Instead of "Spay and Neuter"
A couple of days ago the American-Statesman, the daily newspaper here in Austin, Texas, ran an editorial urging people to have their dogs and cats "sterilized" as a means of reducing pet overpopulation and the resulting unpleasant euthanizing. As I've for who knows how long grumped over the inconsistent phrase "spay and neuter" I was pleased to see that the American-Statesman knew better. My grump has been that while "spay" refers to a specific procedure applicable to female dogs and cats, "neuter" refers to making either male or female dogs incapable of reproduction. As I've often said, saying "spay and neuter" would be like opening a speech with "ladies and persons."  SignatureJames Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com > A couple of days ago the American-Statesman, the daily newspaper here in > Austin, Texas, ran an editorial urging people to have their dogs and cats [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > James Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com It makes me crazy too. I truly think people just don't like say the word "castrate" even though that would make the phrase not so redundant. But whether they're fixed, altered, desexed, sterilized...I'm really glad to see a newspaper that's compassionate toward overpopulation issues. I never correct anyone at the shelter, but I still cringe inside when someone asks me "How do I get my cat spayded for free" Sherry [responding to my "ranting" about my dislike of the phrase "spay and neuter"] > It makes me crazy too. I truly think people just don't like say the word > "castrate" even though that would make the phrase not so redundant. But > whether they're fixed, altered, desexed, sterilized...I'm really glad to see > a newspaper that's compassionate toward overpopulation issues. I never > correct anyone at the shelter, but I still cringe inside when someone asks me > "How do I get my cat spayded for free" When I lived in southern New Jersey it was common to here the term "rockwelder" used to identify dogs of the breed Rottweiler. I was sitting in the reception room at my vet's when a quite large man came in with a Rottweiller hooked on a massive chain. The receptionist greeted him and he responded with "I'm here to get my rockwelder nutted!" SignatureJames Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com >A couple of days ago the American-Statesman, the daily newspaper here in >Austin, Texas, ran an editorial urging people to have their dogs and cats [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >said, saying "spay and neuter" would be like opening a speech with "ladies >and persons." The issue I see is that "sterilization" does not mean removal of the hormone producing sex glands to prevent both reproduction and sexual specific behavior such as spraying/marking and territorial aggression. Instead, it means simply any procedure that prevents reproduction, most commonly understood to mean vasectomy or tubal ligation, though strictly, its meaning can include the more drastic procedures actually needed for behavior modification. Saying "sterilization" seems to me to be some sort of attempt at being politically correct. Since my vet doesn't understand the concept of neutering a female, I have to continue using the phrase "spay and neuter" on the grounds that common usage, at least where I live, restricts "neuter" to males. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) Remove "gearbox.maem" to get real address - that one is dead > >A couple of days ago the American-Statesman, the daily newspaper here in > >Austin, Texas, ran an editorial urging people to have their dogs and cats [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > -- > T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) Remove "gearbox.maem" to get real address - that one is dead My gut reaction to the word "sterilization" is the visual picture of putting a cat in an autoclave for sterilizing surgical instruments. How about spayed and gelded? Otherwise, at least spaded and nutted will at least get the occasional laugh. --tension Made me laugh, tension :-) Funny Sterilization, desexing, altering... they're all the same. It is highly unlikely to find a vet that will do a tubal ligation on a female, that just doesn't make any sense for them. Why would anyone want a sterilized cat that still goes into heat? To sterilize a cat is to remove it all, not just cut the lines that lead to it. Terms are used loosely, I know. If you prefer, use castration instead of neuter for males and use ovariohysterectomy for females. >> >A couple of days ago the American-Statesman, the daily newspaper here in >> >Austin, Texas, ran an editorial urging people to have their dogs and [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > --tension > Made me laugh, tension :-) > Funny [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If you prefer, use castration instead of neuter for males and use > ovariohysterectomy for females. Do they take the uterus as well? Perhaps it represents a cancer risk to leave it in with no hormones to maintain it. If not, then it is probably oophorectomy if it is just the ovaries. And for males, it would be orchidectomy, if you were removing the testicles, unless you had it in mind to just do a vasectomy, but then he would still spray. Somehow, spaded & nutted rolls of the tongue better, hahah --tension Yep, lets all say it together... spaded and nutted. Yep, that's more fun. Yes, they take the uterus, too. It's really easier to take it all, and she won't be needing it anyway! >> Made me laugh, tension :-) >> Funny [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > --tension > If you prefer, use castration instead of neuter for males and use > ovariohysterectomy for females. Or, if you want to get really technical, salpingo-oopherectomy + hysterectomy! I agree that it doesn't matter, we all know what is meant regardless of the term used. Kate On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:14:38 -0500, TaliesinSof <taliesinsoft> wrote > A couple of days ago the American-Statesman, the daily newspape here i > Austin, Texas, ran an editorial urging people to have their dogs an cat > "sterilized" as a means of reducing pet overpopulation an the resultin > unpleasant euthanizing. As I've for who knows how long grumped ove th > inconsistent phrase "spay and neuter" I was pleased to se that th > American-Statesman knew better. My grump has been that whil "spay" refers t > a specific procedure applicable to female dogs and cats "neuter" refers t > making either male or female dogs incapable of reproduction. As I'v ofte > said, saying "spay and neuter" would be like opening speech with "ladie > and persons. The issue I see is that "sterilization" does not mea removal of th hormone producing sex glands to prevent both reproduction and sexua specific behavior such as spraying/marking and territorial aggression Instead, it means simply any procedure that prevents reproduction most commonly understood to mean vasectomy or tubal ligation, thoug strictly, its meaning can include the more drastic procedures actuall needed for behavior modification. Saying "sterilization seems to m to be some sort of attempt at being politically correct Since my vet doesn't understand the concept of neutering a female, have to continue using the phrase "spay and neuter" on th ground that common usage, at least where I live, restricts "neuter to males -- T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) Remove "gearbox.maem to get real address - that one is dea Sent via http://Pets-99.com , http://AnimalForum.ws & http://AnimalBlog.org > Since my vet doesn't understand the concept of neutering a female, I have to > continue using the phrase "spay and neuter" on the grounds that common usage, > at least where I live, restricts "neuter" to males. I find that somewhat surprising in that in the some sixty years I've taken dogs and cat, both male and female, to the vet there was never any apparent confusion on the part of the vet that my use of the word "neuter" meant other than to surgically make the dog or cat incapable of reproduction. I should point out that my aversion to the phrase "spay and neuter" dates back to childhood when I would be corrected by my parents. SignatureJames Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com Ted Davis wrote > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:14:38 -0500, TaliesinSof > taliesinsoft@mac.com> wrote > > A couple of days ago the American-Statesman, the daily newspape here i > Austin, Texas, ran an editorial urging people to have their dogs an cat > "sterilized" as a means of reducing pet overpopulation an the resultin > unpleasant euthanizing. As I've for who knows how long grumped ove th > inconsistent phrase "spay and neuter" I was pleased to se that th > American-Statesman knew better. My grump has been that whil "spay" refers t > a specific procedure applicable to female dogs and cats "neuter" refers t > making either male or female dogs incapable of reproduction. As I'v ofte > said, saying "spay and neuter" would be like opening speech with "ladie > and persons. > > The issue I see is that "sterilization" does not mea removal of th > hormone producing sex glands to prevent both reproduction and sexua > specific behavior such as spraying/marking and territoria aggression > Instead, it means simply any procedure that prevents reproduction > most commonly understood to mean vasectomy or tubal ligation, thoug > strictly, its meaning can include the more drastic procedure actuall > needed for behavior modification. Saying "sterilization seems to m > to be some sort of attempt at being politically correct > > Since my vet doesn't understand the concept of neutering a female, > have to continue using the phrase "spay and neuter" on th ground > that common usage, at least where I live, restrict "neuter" to males > - > T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) Remove "gearbox.maem to get real address - that one is dea My gut reaction to the word "sterilization" is the visua picture o putting a cat in an autoclave for sterilizing surgical instruments How about spayed and gelded? Otherwise, at least spaded and nutte will at least get the occasional laugh --tensio Sent via http://Pets-99.com , http://AnimalForum.ws & http://AnimalBlog.org Ted Davis wrote > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:14:38 -0500, TaliesinSof > taliesinsoft@mac.com> wrote > > A couple of days ago the American-Statesman, the daily newspape here i > Austin, Texas, ran an editorial urging people to have their dogs an cat > "sterilized" as a means of reducing pet overpopulation an the resultin > unpleasant euthanizing. As I've for who knows how long grumped ove th > inconsistent phrase "spay and neuter" I was pleased to se that th > American-Statesman knew better. My grump has been that whil "spay" refers t > a specific procedure applicable to female dogs and cats "neuter" refers t > making either male or female dogs incapable of reproduction. As I'v ofte > said, saying "spay and neuter" would be like opening speech with "ladie > and persons. > > The issue I see is that "sterilization" does not mea removal of th > hormone producing sex glands to prevent both reproduction and sexua > specific behavior such as spraying/marking and territoria aggression > Instead, it means simply any procedure that prevents reproduction > most commonly understood to mean vasectomy or tubal ligation, thoug > strictly, its meaning can include the more drastic procedure actuall > needed for behavior modification. Saying "sterilization seems to m > to be some sort of attempt at being politically correct > > Since my vet doesn't understand the concept of neutering a female, > have to continue using the phrase "spay and neuter" on th ground > that common usage, at least where I live, restrict "neuter" to males > - > T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) Remove "gearbox.maem to get real address - that one is dea My gut reaction to the word "sterilization" is the visua picture o putting a cat in an autoclave for sterilizing surgical instruments How about spayed and gelded? Otherwise, at least spaded and nutte will at least get the occasional laugh --tensio Sent via http://Pets-99.com , http://AnimalForum.ws & http://AnimalBlog.org |
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